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Engineers moving to other fields

In the "Req: (Free) Embedded Platforms for Education" thread the 
Jonathon Kirwin had mentioned that some Computer Science undergrads 
considered accountancy before selecting CS but few Electronic 
Engineering students did. This got me thinking...

One module on my degree (Computer Systems) was called something like 
"Engineering Practices" or similar and was essentially split between 
teaching basic accountancy such as balance sheets and the like and areas 
of law relevant to engineering such as patent, tort and basic contract 
law.

The tutor mentioned that accountancy firms and law firms love people 
from an engineering background because they can speak with authority 
where a pure accountant or lawyer would be stuck for answers. She also 
said that many of these firms will sponsor qualified engineers through 
law or accountancy courses because they are so valuable, plus you can 
make far more money doing it than you ever can from engineering

Is this true? Do many people make the change over? I would imagine that 
to many engineers the idea of becoming a bean counter is abhorrent but 
is the lure of the extra money strong enough? Are the skills to be a 
good lawyer mutually exclusive with those of being a good engineer? 


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7/18/2007 10:55:15 AM
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Tom Lucas wrote:
> In the "Req: (Free) Embedded Platforms for Education" thread the 
> Jonathon Kirwin had mentioned that some Computer Science undergrads 
> considered accountancy before selecting CS but few Electronic 
> Engineering students did. This got me thinking...
> 
> One module on my degree (Computer Systems) was called something like 
> "Engineering Practices" or similar and was essentially split between 
> teaching basic accountancy such as balance sheets and the like and areas 
> of law relevant to engineering such as patent, tort and basic contract 
> law.
> 
> The tutor mentioned that accountancy firms and law firms love people 
> from an engineering background because they can speak with authority 
> where a pure accountant or lawyer would be stuck for answers.

  She should have said "where a pure accountant or lawyer would be stuck 
for comprehension".  :)


> She also 
> said that many of these firms will sponsor qualified engineers through 
> law or accountancy courses because they are so valuable, plus you can 
> make far more money doing it than you ever can from engineering
> 
> Is this true? Do many people make the change over? I would imagine that 
> to many engineers the idea of becoming a bean counter is abhorrent but 
> is the lure of the extra money strong enough? Are the skills to be a 
> good lawyer mutually exclusive with those of being a good engineer? 

Not many, but I have met Technical people who have crossed into patent 
law, and know Technical-trained people working in Economics areas.

-jg



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no.spam2900 (819)
7/18/2007 7:51:31 PM
"Tom Lucas" <news@REMOVE_tlcs_THIS_dot_TO_fsnet_REPLY_dot_co.uk> wrote in 
message news:1184756089.72487.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...

> The tutor mentioned that accountancy firms and law firms love people from 
> an engineering background because they can speak with authority where a 
> pure accountant or lawyer would be stuck for answers. She also said that 
> many of these firms will sponsor qualified engineers through law or 
> accountancy courses because they are so valuable, plus you can make far 
> more money doing it than you ever can from engineering
>
> Is this true? Do many people make the change over? I would imagine that to 
> many engineers the idea of becoming a bean counter is abhorrent but is the 
> lure of the extra money strong enough? Are the skills to be a good lawyer 
> mutually exclusive with those of being a good engineer?

I know that the law school here (U.Ga.) much prefers applicants with 
detailed mastery of some other field, rather than the vague "pre-law" people 
with no specific interests.

I think the skills of an engineer and of a lawyer are related.  Both involve 
long chains of reasoning and keeping track of information.  The lawyer has 
to be much better at communicating in English and in foreseeing human 
reactions.  The engineer of course needs much more mathematics.


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look6426 (176)
7/18/2007 9:36:34 PM
"mc" <look@www.ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote in message
news:tJvni.437$wV4.182@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> "Tom Lucas" <news@REMOVE_tlcs_THIS_dot_TO_fsnet_REPLY_dot_co.uk> wrote in
> message news:1184756089.72487.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>
> > The tutor mentioned that accountancy firms and law firms love people
from
> > an engineering background because they can speak with authority where a
> > pure accountant or lawyer would be stuck for answers. She also said that
> > many of these firms will sponsor qualified engineers through law or
> > accountancy courses because they are so valuable, plus you can make far
> > more money doing it than you ever can from engineering
> >
> > Is this true? Do many people make the change over? I would imagine that
to
> > many engineers the idea of becoming a bean counter is abhorrent but is
the
> > lure of the extra money strong enough? Are the skills to be a good
lawyer
> > mutually exclusive with those of being a good engineer?
>
> I know that the law school here (U.Ga.) much prefers applicants with
> detailed mastery of some other field, rather than the vague "pre-law"
people
> with no specific interests.
>
> I think the skills of an engineer and of a lawyer are related.  Both
involve
> long chains of reasoning and keeping track of information.  The lawyer has
> to be much better at communicating in English and in foreseeing human
> reactions.  The engineer of course needs much more mathematics.

I know a successful patent lawyer who used to be a mediocre engineer before.
I also know couple of other persons who didn't make it as lawyers and
changed to the engineering jobs. Not so simple. Otherwise all of us would be
the lawyers.

Vladimir Vassilevsky
www.abvolt.com










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7/19/2007 2:02:14 AM
On Jul 18, 6:55 am, "Tom Lucas"

> Is this true? Do many people make the change over? I would imagine that
> to many engineers the idea of becoming a bean counter is abhorrent but
> is the lure of the extra money strong enough? Are the skills to be a
> good lawyer mutually exclusive with those of being a good engineer?

Many people make career changes out of engineering just as with any
other profession.. Within my company alone, engineers have moved into
project management and marketing. It's not usually so easy to make an
intra-company move into the financial side of things.

As far as your last question, the answer is definitely no. A good
lawyer needs excellent language skills, excellent analytical skills
and a methodical approach to building an argument around indisputable
facts. Very similar skillset to an engineer.

In fact, a requirement to become an IP attorney is that you have an
engineering degree. If you were plotting a move to the dark[er] side,
IP attorney is a pretty good choice, btw. Lots of job potential, very
lucrative, and no more soul-destroying than accountancy.

Accounting courses a la your "engineering practices" example are
included in ABET (and equivalent) curricula for a few reasons:

1. the "rounded education" requirement,
2. to provide a modicum of knowledge that would be required by a PE
setting up private practice,
3. an attempt to bring some fiscal realism into the designs created by
these engineers at their first real job (understanding NRE vs BOM
costs, etc).


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zwsdotcom (2776)
7/19/2007 11:49:40 AM
"larwe" <zwsdotcom@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1184845780.970346.47350@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 18, 6:55 am, "Tom Lucas"
>
>> Is this true? Do many people make the change over? I would imagine 
>> that
>> to many engineers the idea of becoming a bean counter is abhorrent 
>> but
>> is the lure of the extra money strong enough? Are the skills to be a
>> good lawyer mutually exclusive with those of being a good engineer?
>
> Many people make career changes out of engineering just as with any
> other profession.. Within my company alone, engineers have moved into
> project management and marketing. It's not usually so easy to make an
> intra-company move into the financial side of things.

I guess in a big company these sort of things are easier. However, many 
of the pepple I have known to make a substantial leap have largely had 
to completely retrain and pretty much follow the same route as if they 
had started out with that route in mind.

> As far as your last question, the answer is definitely no. A good
> lawyer needs excellent language skills, excellent analytical skills
> and a methodical approach to building an argument around indisputable
> facts. Very similar skillset to an engineer.

Kudos for not mentioning the other traits lawyers are famed for ;-)

> In fact, a requirement to become an IP attorney is that you have an
> engineering degree. If you were plotting a move to the dark[er] side,
> IP attorney is a pretty good choice, btw. Lots of job potential, very
> lucrative, and no more soul-destroying than accountancy.

From time to time I consider doing this. After the first few years of 
finding your feet then I'm sure the pay outstrips all but the most very 
highly paid of engineers but does that compensate for the boredom and 
sense of selling-out? Depends on the individual I suppose.

> Accounting courses a la your "engineering practices" example are
> included in ABET (and equivalent) curricula for a few reasons:
>
> 1. the "rounded education" requirement,
> 2. to provide a modicum of knowledge that would be required by a PE
> setting up private practice,
> 3. an attempt to bring some fiscal realism into the designs created by
> these engineers at their first real job (understanding NRE vs BOM
> costs, etc).

I particularly enjoyed the module and would like to have had the option 
of a  more advanced one but there wasn't one on offer. Might do a night 
class or something similar out of interest but there are many other 
things on my learning list. If only I had a bit of time... 


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news9671 (165)
7/19/2007 1:09:27 PM
On Jul 18, 5:36 pm, "mc" <l...@www.ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:

>The lawyer has
> to be much better at communicating in English and in foreseeing human
> reactions.  The engineer of course needs much more mathematics.

Good God, no! An engineer with inadequate language skills is a
liability. An engineering specification, thought map, design intent
document, whitepaper etc. is a critical document with just as much
importance in clear phrasing as any legal communication. And verbal
communication is important in engineering too. Design reviews,
communications with vendors, subordinates, superiors, customers and
Marketing (knowing how much to say and how to avoid answering
questions), the list is endless.

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zwsdotcom (2776)
7/19/2007 2:38:17 PM
larwe wrote:

> On Jul 18, 5:36 pm, "mc" <l...@www.ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
> 
>>The lawyer has
>> to be much better at communicating in English and in foreseeing human
>> reactions.  The engineer of course needs much more mathematics.
> 
> Good God, no! An engineer with inadequate language skills is a
> liability. An engineering specification, thought map, design intent
> document, whitepaper etc. is a critical document with just as much
> importance in clear phrasing as any legal communication. And verbal
> communication is important in engineering too. Design reviews,
> communications with vendors, subordinates, superiors, customers and
> Marketing (knowing how much to say and how to avoid answering
> questions), the list is endless.

Add to that the sort of clarity required by the Safety Case for all major
High Integrity Projects these days. These are almost like the "defense
case" in detail before a design leaves the factory test area and well
before the hint of any litigation for a breach of safety.

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Apple’s own engineers may be the company’s last line of defense if it loses its case against the FBI and receives final orders to create “GovtOS,” ...

If You Blame Islam For Terrorism You Need To Blame Engineers, Too
No one religion, location or degree can cause someone to take another's life.

NYT: Apple engineers may quit before cracking the iPhone
The spirit of anarchy and anti-establishment still runs strong at Apple. Rather than comply with the government's requests to develop a so-called ...

Some Apple Engineers Threaten to Quit if Forced to Break iPhone Encryption
Multiple Apple employees told the New York Times they would resist a direct order to create an encryption backdoor. Apple's engineers have joined ...

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