I have recently been fiddling around with a DIY car computer, a
MegaSquirt II (http://www.megamanual.com/index.html if you are
interested). It is based on a 25MHz Freescale/Motorola M68HCS12 chip
endowed with 128k flash and 4k RAM.
The open-source firmware is written in mixed C and assembly language
and I have contributed a small amount of assembly code to improve some
of the interpolation going on in there. This brought on a bit of
nostalgia since it was quite similar to M6809 code, one of the first
processors I became intimate with.
Anyhow, to the point. While I have never *coded* Forth...forth in forth
I came across this in the archives:
>The widely shared belief (among both Forthies
>and outsiders) that every "real" Forth programmer hacks together
>his own compiler/interpreter/programming environment also makes
>the Forth community look frivolous or at best naive. Most people
>who program for a living know that there are more useful ways to
>spend their time than building their own programming environment --
>the key to productivity is leveraging off other peoples' work.
HERESY in the Forth community! Imagine... NOT coming up with
your own CASE statement or local variable implemetation? Use
OTHER PEOPLES TOOLS? Yuccch!
One thing you can count on in the Forth community... try
to establish a standard ANYTHING, and all that will happen
is others will come up with their own implementation, defeating
the purpose of standardization.
Why is this?
I mean, I'm usually quite happy to program in other languages without
building my own interpreter or compiler. For instance with Ruby, the
only time I even considered it's implementation was when I was
learning how it's class structure was organised, and that was only
because some of my references talked about the internals.
Now with Forth, it seems like every step along the way makes me think
about writing my own implementation! A couple of months back I
designed (in outline) a prototype based OOPS for forth, and before I
could finish it I was planning how to write a ...One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish
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http://groups.google.com/groups?q=male+woman+l+d+blake&start=120&h...Copyleft and embedded Forth
I'm still trying to get my head around the Free Software concept. If I
buy a Ford and it uses GPL'd code in it's engine controller, Ford is
required to publish the source code to it's engine controller. I'm
guessing that Ford would rather not have the GM and Chevy engineers
poring over their code so they would buy a license to the otherwise
GPL'd code. No problem.
Something like CDDL allows commercial developers to keep one foot in
the Open Source camp since only selected files are copylefted. If you
change them, you have to publish the source code to your changes. Not...addition of additive noise
How do I add additive noise to an image using matlab?
I am experimenting on removal of additive noise by various
techniques, so I wanted to know on this matter
...Gforth-EC, the underappreciated embedded Forth
I've been having a look at Gforth-EC lately, that's the embedded
cross-compiled Forth support that has been included with Gforth all the
time, but as it's well hidden and pretty undocumented, I guess most
people wouldn't have noticed it.
Now it turns out it only takes a few commands to generate a usable 8086
gforth-ec executable, running in dosbox (i.e. emulated under Linux):
From the Gforth source directory, run:
mv kernl-8086.fi gforthec.com # need to rename for dosbox to execute it
And voila, it prints the standard Gforth welcom...Starting with forth... personal embedded projects
When I was but a young lad, with my first computer (a Sinclair ZX-81) I
purchased a Forth cassette (ZX-FORTH). Unfortunately, my teenaged mind
at the time wasn't quite ready for how different Forth was from BASIC,
and I gave up after a while. (In my defense, the manual was terrible).
Now, some thirty-mumble years later, with a long career of sysadminning,
and learning languages behind me, I've decided to re-visit my earlier
failing, and pick up where I left off, learning Forth.
I've got a couple of projects in mind (the first one would be some
kind of monitoring st...[FSL] Additions to Forth Scientific Library
I'm very pleased to announce some additions to the Forth Scientific
Library at http://www.taygeta.com/fsl/sciforth.html
David N. Williams' set of words for complex numbers and functions has been
added as Algorithm #60. I strongly suggest that anyone writing code with
complex arithmetic follow his conventions and standards. They provide a
clear and cohesive vocabulary, a good de-facto standard IMHO.
A file with code (by DNW) for testing complex numbers and functions has
also been added as an Auxiliary file.
Another addition to the set of Auxiliary files is an up-to-date version of..."permission denied" happening too often
I've got Ruby scripts that have been working fine for years now. But,
every now and then, one of my scripts errors out with a "permission
denied" error. This is very frustrating. Usually, it involves moving a
file to either a sister directory or a subdirectory. And, like I said,
99% of the time it works fine. Has anyone else experienced this? It kind
of scares me because it's only been happening for me with Ruby. It
didn't use to happen with Perl, and, believe, I don't want to go back to
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.c...[News] New Additions for Linux in Devices/Embedded Space
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Tilera wins VC from Broadcom, Quanta, NTT
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| Tilera has licensed from Silicon Graphics.
| (This is what leads everyone to believe that
| the Tilera chips are variants of the MIPS
| architecture once controlled by SGI.)
LinuxCertified Announces its next Linux Device Driver Development Course
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Linux-ready plug-in enables IPv6 traffic over IPv4 nets
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| Access subsidiary IP Infusion announced a
| new Linux-ready "stateless tunneling"
| product that enables t...Forth is to program , Forth is NOT to study ..
Forth is to program , not to learn , nor study .
Study is for students , Students dont eat well .
They seek help and subsidy , and credencials ..
all , far from productive programming .
There is NO arguement , NO arguement in Forth ,
cause it is always done
LEAST WORK , FASTEST runtime .
In 40 years , Humans have built up
school systems , universities, industries and factories
Since it is a "system" , its uncompetitive .
Competition and profits are impossible from any
Accountants can see the "books" indicate this is
...Embedding Python in an embedded system
I'm looking at embedding python in a little embedded system. The device
(a linksys wrt54g router, popular hack object since it runs linux), has
limited resources. Just 4MB flash and 16MB memory.
I'm interested in Python because I need to be more agile with developing
an application for this platform. Currently I am using C++ but it takes
just too much time to develop/debug code.
Does anyone have experience doing something like this?
Stefan Arentz wrote:
> I'm looking at embedding python in a little embedded system. The device
> (a linksys wr...no forth pc? no forth replacement for mysqL? a la www.prevayler.org? no forth appserver?
how about a forth clone of iceWM in 1% the code?
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:36:49 PM UTC-6, the_gavino_himself wrote:
> how about a forth clone of iceWM in 1% the code?
Right now, what I'm interested in is niche RPGMaker-type games on Android.
I've done some of this work already in Java, including creating a map editor
(on Android) and a playable demo, using First Seed Material
(http://www.tekepon.net/fsm/index.php) assets I gave up on my last
alternatives to Java when I found Terminal IDE, which allowed me to move code
all the way from Java source to installable .apks on the device itself.
But now there is a Forth system on Android!
I don't know if it'll have on-device turnkey facilities soon or ever, or how
deployment will otherwise work. I've some familiarity with Java API, the
Android way of XML-specified interfaces and the like (fortunately, games mostly
ignore that part of Android), but JNI and friends is still a mystery to me.
But you can get the satisfaction of being able to touch an icon and have your
Forth app start up.... by the roundabout method of having an auxiliary app that
1) slides Forth source into starta.fs on the SD card and then 2) launches
gforth. It's satisfying anyway.
So in the manner of someone laying down track with the expectation that
there will be a tunnel through the mountain by the time the mountain is
reache...Forth Dimensions, Embedded Systems Programming, Dr. Dobb's
I have a few years of Forth Dimensions (I keep forgetting to bring the
volume list into work, but it is from the last few years it was
published, I think), and some classic Embedded Systems Programming and
Dr. Dobb's from the era when they talked about Forth quite often.
I was thinking of selling these on eBay, but decided to give
comp.lang.forth folks first crack.
Basically, if you want these, let me know. I'm not looking to make a
profit, so all I ask is that you pay shipping. The idea is to get these
into the hands of someone who will do something with them. It is
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Anyone know of a version of Forth for RISC OS?
I used to use Forthmacs by Hanno Schwalm a few years ago, but I've been out
of the Acorn scene since 2000, recently returned with an Iyonix. Hanno's
site seems to be down and no reply from his old e-mail address.
By the process of poking various fingers onto keys Anton generated this:
> Anyone know of a version of Forth for RISC OS?
> I used to use Forthmacs by Hanno Schwalm a few years ago, but I've been out
> of the Acorn scene since 2000, recently returned with an Iyonix. Hanno's
> site see...FORTH
Has anyone got an implementation working on a TREO 600?
implementation of what
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:44:49 +0000 (UTC), "Ian Jones"
|Has anyone got an implementation working on a TREO 600?
Alien at Large wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:44:49 +0000 (UTC), "Ian Jones"
> <email@example.com> wrote:
> |Has anyone got an implementation working on a TREO 600?
> implementation of what
What he said in the subject line.
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I'm trying to estimate a VAR model of two equations.
- the portmanteau test shows that my residuals are cross correlated
- one of my equation exihibit an ARCH pattern
I cannot use the AUTOREG procedure as I have a system of equations to
I cannot use the VARMAX procedure because it is not possible to impose
an ARCH structure for one equation only.
I guess I should opt for the proc MODEL.
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From the Glossary:
FISH is a 32-BIT Flash resident Forth.
FISH: By Clyde W. Phillips Jr. and A-TEAM FORTH. Copyright 2013-2014
This FISH document enumerates and explains a Reference Model (RM) FISH word=
set for all ARM 32bit processors. As such FISH uses 32bit word alignment p=
adding, which is done with 0FFh.
FISH is a Flash resident FORTH Reference Model interpreter / compiler for t=
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I don't want to start another ANS forth standard war here.
It's just my own experience that for an 32bit embedded system (microcontrol=
ler class) a good simple ANS forth system or cross compiler is quite an ove=
ANS maps quite good for a 16bit system, and that's normal. But the compatib=
ility between 16bit and 32bit adds a big overhead for a 32bit system.
Here are two sensible areas:
1. picture numeric output.
It imposes the usage of double numbers. For a 16bit system it is about ok. =
You're likely to need it, and if you really want, you can add ...