Check this out......
http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
...Jim Thompson
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@
4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Wed, 14 Jul 2004:
>Check this out......
>
>http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
Nasty, very nasty indeed.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
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How did you get the mpg file ??
Jim Thompson wrote:
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
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>Check this out......
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>http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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> ...Jim Thompson
Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
>Check this out......
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>http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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> ...Jim Thompson
Oh, I forgot to mention: Happy Bastille Day!
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
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: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
: <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
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: >Check this out......
: >
: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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: > ...Jim Thompson
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: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.
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: John
AND an innocent pedestrian!
So did anyone survive?
How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
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>wrote in message
>news:0eoaf09pm61h1ccp4mtb8sefoiphf055ji@4ax.com...
>: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
>: <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
>:
>: >Check this out......
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>: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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>: > ...Jim Thompson
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>: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.
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>: John
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>So did anyone survive?
>How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
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Oops, yeah, looks like he didn't get away. Wasn't he crossing against
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: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:56:56 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net>
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: >: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
: >: <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
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: >: >Check this out......
: >: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
: >: > ...Jim Thompson
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: >: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent
bag.
: >: John
: >AND an innocent pedestrian!
: >So did anyone survive?
: >How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
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: Oops, yeah, looks like he didn't get away. Wasn't he crossing
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That's a TICKET, not a death penalty!
I know of no place that permits harvesting pedestrians!
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: >: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
: >: <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
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: >: >Check this out......
: >: >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
: >: > ...Jim Thompson
: >:
: >: Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent
bag.
: >: John
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: >AND an innocent pedestrian!
: >So did anyone survive?
: >How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
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: Oops, yeah, looks like he didn't get away. Wasn't he crossing
against
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He may have been in the intersection legally, if he entered on a
green! Everyone must yield until he crosses! You aren't supposed
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http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp
Jim Thompson wrote:
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:13:59 -0600, hamilton
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>How did you get the mpg file ??
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>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> Check this out......
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>> http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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>> ...Jim Thompson
The father of my daughter-in-law E-mailed it to me.
His comment was "I have a PT Cruiser I'd like to get rid of also" ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
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Wasn't that something though how the crunched in area of the Subaru caught
the pedestrian in the hollow and didn't completely crush him as it rolled
over. What are the odds? The article listed that he was seriously injured,
hope he survived. My prayers to him and his family.
Oppie
news story posted by FrankW
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp
> >Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> Check this out......
> >>
> >> http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
> >>
> >> ...Jim Thompson
>
> The father of my daughter-in-law E-mailed it to me.
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> His comment was "I have a PT Cruiser I'd like to get rid of also" ;-)
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And I thought my accident was bad, both vehicles totaled, nobody hurt.
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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> I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
> <thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@
> 4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Wed, 14 Jul 2004:
> >Check this out......
> >
> >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
>
> Nasty, very nasty indeed.
> --
> Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
> The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
> The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
> http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
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> I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
> <thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@
> 4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Wed, 14 Jul 2004:
> >Check this out......
> >
> >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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> Nasty, very nasty indeed.
I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:55:37 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
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>"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
>news:y3epbYBbiV9AFwHi@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
>> I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
>> <thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@
>> 4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Wed, 14 Jul 2004:
>> >Check this out......
>> >
>> >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
>>
>> Nasty, very nasty indeed.
>
>I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
>pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?
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>
FrankW posted this link...
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp
He was jaywalking. He was "dead at the scene", but was noticed to be
breathing as they were removing the "body". He's reported to be still
in serious condition at Miami (Ohio) Valley Hospital.
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:55:37 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
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>>"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
>>news:y3epbYBbiV9AFwHi@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
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>>>I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
>>><thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@
>>>4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Wed, 14 Jul 2004:
>>>
>>>>Check this out......
>>>>
>>>>http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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>>>Nasty, very nasty indeed.
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>>I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
>>pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?
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> FrankW posted this link...
>
> http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp
>
> He was jaywalking. He was "dead at the scene", but was noticed to be
> breathing as they were removing the "body". He's reported to be still
> in serious condition at Miami (Ohio) Valley Hospital.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Not that there wasn't a _very_ stupid driver involved, which would have
just as likely taken out a legal pedestrian.
A friend of my dad's was a deputy Sheriff when he saw an accident like
this developing (sans pedestrian). He couldn't do anything to prevent
it, but he _could_ stick his mic out the window and key it at the
critical moment. He unkeyed his mic, and the unflappable Clackamas
County Sheriff's dispatcher radioed "would the unit at the scene of the
injury accident please report your ID and location?"
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:00:55 -0700, Tim Wescott
<tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:
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>A friend of my dad's was a deputy Sheriff when he saw an accident like
>this developing (sans pedestrian). He couldn't do anything to prevent
>it, but he _could_ stick his mic out the window and key it at the
>critical moment. He unkeyed his mic, and the unflappable Clackamas
>County Sheriff's dispatcher radioed "would the unit at the scene of the
>injury accident please report your ID and location?"
Some dispatchers are just amazingly calm ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
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Jim, you are one sick fuck.
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Ouch.
I lost my first new car like that.
I was driving through a green, and BANG.
He was in a little pickup, me in a little wagon.
He actually came up on top of my hood, and spun me more than 180
degrees.
Even that didn't stop him, he deflected about 30 degrees to his left
and hit the median. He claimed to be only going 30 mph. :)
The fellow on my left, sitting at the red light, saw the whole thing.
Better yet, he had just left the bar where he and the fellow that hit
me had been!
The spot was a four-way like this, except to my right was not a road,
but a freeway onramp. The guy that hit me was going to the freeway.
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Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
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Cool. Got any beheadings you don't want to warn people about?
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Roger Gt wrote:
> "John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
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> news:0eoaf09pm61h1ccp4mtb8sefoiphf055ji@4ax.com...
> : On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
> : <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
> :
> : >Check this out......
> : >
> : >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
> : >
> : > ...Jim Thompson
> :
> : Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.
> :
> : John
>
>
> AND an innocent pedestrian!
>
> So did anyone survive?
> How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
>
>
The PT Cruiser with a 75yo old lady was running the light, the crossing
SUV had the green- so the pedestrian was crossing against the red
crossing light- but it is also clear the SUV was operated by a mentally
challenged individual exercising no caution- a confluence of
mindlessness all around- every single individual was in the wrong. A lot
of these old people are on serious prescription drugs and their minds
are zeroed- so you really need to watch for them- treat them like a
runaway vehicle with no driver- and avoid going near drug stores- the
damned bastards need to stay home, they have no business going out in
public. There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern
medicine this is no longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless
young person who survived to old age and still worthless.
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> Roger Gt wrote:
> > "John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
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> > : On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
> > : <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
> > :
> > : >Check this out......
> > : >
> > : >http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
> > : >
> > : > ...Jim Thompson
> > :
> > : Wow, offed an SUV and a PT Cruiser in one whack. Excellent bag.
> > :
> > : John
> >
> >
> > AND an innocent pedestrian!
> >
> > So did anyone survive?
> > How many years in Jail did the guy that ran the light get?
> >
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> The PT Cruiser with a 75yo old lady was running the light, the crossing
> SUV had the green- so the pedestrian was crossing against the red
> crossing light- but it is also clear the SUV was operated by a mentally
> challenged individual exercising no caution-
Why is that "clear"?
> a confluence of
> mindlessness all around- every single individual was in the wrong. A lot
> of these old people are on serious prescription drugs and their minds
> are zeroed- so you really need to watch for them- treat them like a
> runaway vehicle with no driver- and avoid going near drug stores- the
> damned bastards need to stay home, they have no business going out in
> public. There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern
> medicine this is no longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless
> young person who survived to old age and still worthless.
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote (in <40F693CA.2020308@nospam.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera',
on Thu, 15 Jul 2004:
>There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no
>longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to
>old age and still worthless.
But will you still think so in 20 years?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:24 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
>I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>wrote (in <40F693CA.2020308@nospam.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera',
>on Thu, 15 Jul 2004:
>>There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no
>>longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to
>>old age and still worthless.
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>But will you still think so in 20 years?
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:19:24 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
>I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
>wrote (in <40F693CA.2020308@nospam.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera',
>on Thu, 15 Jul 2004:
>>There was a time when old meant wisdom, but thanks to modern medicine this is no
>>longer the case, old now mostly means a worthless young person who survived to
>>old age and still worthless.
>
>But will you still think so in 20 years?
Surrounded by old folk (my father is almost 86, and most of his
brothers and sisters are still alive) I find mental and physical
capacity to vary highly from individual to individual.
Based on the observations of my limited sample size, it seems to me
that folk who used their minds regularly throughout their lives keep
their mental capacity into old age.
Physically my body is not treating me too nicely, particularly since I
had polio when I was seven, and arthritis is now taking advantage of
my skeletal frailties, but I'll mentally take on a 20-year-old any day
;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
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Tim Wescott wrote:
> Jim Thompson wrote:
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>> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:55:37 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> "John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
>>> news:y3epbYBbiV9AFwHi@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
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>>>> I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
>>>> <thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
>>>> <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@
>>>> 4ax.com>) about 'OT: Red Light Camera', on Wed, 14 Jul 2004:
>>>>
>>>>> Check this out......
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nasty, very nasty indeed.
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>>>
>>> I can't tell from the video what state the lights were in. Was the
>>> pedestrian jaywalking? Did he survive?
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>> FrankW posted this link...
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>> http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp
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>> He was jaywalking. He was "dead at the scene", but was noticed to be
>> breathing as they were removing the "body". He's reported to be still
>> in serious condition at Miami (Ohio) Valley Hospital.
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>> ...Jim Thompson
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>
> Not that there wasn't a _very_ stupid driver involved, which would have
> just as likely taken out a legal pedestrian.
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> A friend of my dad's was a deputy Sheriff when he saw an accident like
> this developing (sans pedestrian). He couldn't do anything to prevent
> it, but he _could_ stick his mic out the window and key it at the
> critical moment. He unkeyed his mic, and the unflappable Clackamas
> County Sheriff's dispatcher radioed "would the unit at the scene of the
> injury accident please report your ID and location?"
Clackamas county,in Oregon? My G/F works there as a
dispatcher/call-taker. I hear some crazy stories...
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ptaylor1 (1)
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7/16/2004 2:33:40 AM
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["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:23:00 -0700,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote
in Msg. <btjaf05pult465ifunegfif194rkedvtni@4ax.com>
> Check this out......
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> http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
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> ...Jim Thompson
Reminds me of this (Mercedes vs non-jaywalking pedestrian):
http://poetry.rotten.com/redlight/
--Daniel
--
"With me is nothing wrong! And with you?" (from r.a.m.p)
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haude (49)
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7/16/2004 11:01:31 AM
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Having a bad day, are we?
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charleschuler (7)
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7/16/2004 9:40:32 PM
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Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> writes:
> Check this out......
> http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/RedLightCamera.mpg
Love to but your name servers are MIA this morning......
Billy Y..
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