Does anyone know if cross posting is allowed by the charter for
comp.cad.solidworks?

TOP

TOP wrote:

> Does anyone know if cross posting is allowed by the charter for
> comp.cad.solidworks?

From the control message archive at isc.org,

================================================================
From group-admin@isc.org Mon May 12 07:45:02 1997
Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
From: group-admin@isc.org (David C Lawrence)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.solidworks
Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.cad.solidworks
Control: newgroup comp.cad.solidworks
Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
Message-ID: <863447406.23368@isc.org>
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:30:06 GMT
Lines: 40
X-Info: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README.html
	ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README
X-PGP-Sig: 2.6.2 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
	iQCVAwUBM3cpb8JdOtO4janBAQFmFQP+OZJbFzixp76H4bc/HHUuCWgxGFDHvNLr
	K3Lo8Spn7JKokXc2dOgPaFFhOWc2rxTuYpmWVD5h/UUNaQje4qLOgZlo+pcy3BaK
	AUtsPUqunolP90my2qCySoNVZvGOxM4z+HCKd1gJYqZTrND235AUJQrp5XlDCkMK
	Tq7UdTKNF4Y=
	=4hrl
Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:4515

comp.cad.solidworks is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 240:16 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 4 May 1997.

For your newsgroups file:
comp.cad.solidworks	SolidWorks newsgroup.

The charter, culled from the vote result announcement:

Comp.cad.solidworks will be a newsgroup for anyone interested in SolidWorks
Corp. SolidWorks computer-aided design program.  The purpose of this
newgroup will be:

1. To discuss designing, drafting, programming, and administration of
   SolidWorks CAD systems.

2. To share ideas, information, and specific experience regarding the
   use of SolidWorks.

3. To discuss third-party add-on products for SolidWorks.

4. To discuss enhancements concerning SolidWorks.

5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and
   general usage of SolidWorks.

6. To allow announcements of products and events for SolidWorks,
   third-party products, and user groups.

Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems should
be held in the most appropriate newsgroup.  Messages should be posted in
a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
another person.

The charter is a statement of what constitutes good manners in the
newsgroup.  It will be enforced through cooperation, mutual respect, and
peer pressure when necessary.  Anyone who willfully persists in
violating the newsgroup's charter will in all likelihood eventually be
asked, by the newsgroup's regular participants, to stop posting.  If
further sanctions are necessary, they will be discussed with the
offender, or in news.admin.misc.
================================================================

Suggestion;

Use a real news client to read from a real news server and kill file 
the cross posts. Google Groups is as poor a substitute as it gets for
proper software with which to read Usenet.

-- 
Black Dragon

It was a female that drove me to drink
and I didn't even have the kindness to thank her.
		-- R.E. Baber

It looks like this is implied in #2 in that a cross post frequently
won't be specific to SW. I wonder if many feel like I do that this
normally isn't a good practice.

TOP

Black Dragon wrote:
> TOP wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know if cross posting is allowed by the charter for
> > comp.cad.solidworks?
>
> From the control message archive at isc.org,
>
> ================================================================
> From group-admin@isc.org Mon May 12 07:45:02 1997
> Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back
> From: group-admin@isc.org (David C Lawrence)
> Newsgroups: comp.cad.solidworks
> Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.cad.solidworks
> Control: newgroup comp.cad.solidworks
> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org
> Message-ID: <863447406.23368@isc.org>
> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:30:06 GMT
> Lines: 40
> X-Info: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README.html
> 	ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README
> X-PGP-Sig: 2.6.2 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender
> 	iQCVAwUBM3cpb8JdOtO4janBAQFmFQP+OZJbFzixp76H4bc/HHUuCWgxGFDHvNLr
> 	K3Lo8Spn7JKokXc2dOgPaFFhOWc2rxTuYpmWVD5h/UUNaQje4qLOgZlo+pcy3BaK
> 	AUtsPUqunolP90my2qCySoNVZvGOxM4z+HCKd1gJYqZTrND235AUJQrp5XlDCkMK
> 	Tq7UdTKNF4Y=
> 	=4hrl
> Xref: news.isc.org control.newgroup:4515
>
> comp.cad.solidworks is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
> creation by 240:16 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 4 May 1997.
>
> For your newsgroups file:
> comp.cad.solidworks	SolidWorks newsgroup.
>
> The charter, culled from the vote result announcement:
>
> Comp.cad.solidworks will be a newsgroup for anyone interested in SolidWorks
> Corp. SolidWorks computer-aided design program.  The purpose of this
> newgroup will be:
>
> 1. To discuss designing, drafting, programming, and administration of
>    SolidWorks CAD systems.
>
> 2. To share ideas, information, and specific experience regarding the
>    use of SolidWorks.
>
> 3. To discuss third-party add-on products for SolidWorks.
>
> 4. To discuss enhancements concerning SolidWorks.
>
> 5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and
>    general usage of SolidWorks.
>
> 6. To allow announcements of products and events for SolidWorks,
>    third-party products, and user groups.
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup.  Messages should be posted in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> The charter is a statement of what constitutes good manners in the
> newsgroup.  It will be enforced through cooperation, mutual respect, and
> peer pressure when necessary.  Anyone who willfully persists in
> violating the newsgroup's charter will in all likelihood eventually be
> asked, by the newsgroup's regular participants, to stop posting.  If
> further sanctions are necessary, they will be discussed with the
> offender, or in news.admin.misc.
> ================================================================
>
> Suggestion;
>
> Use a real news client to read from a real news server and kill file
> the cross posts. Google Groups is as poor a substitute as it gets for
> proper software with which to read Usenet.
>
> --
> Black Dragon
>
> It was a female that drove me to drink
> and I didn't even have the kindness to thank her.
> 		-- R.E. Baber

> 5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and gene=
ral usage of SolidWorks.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to dealing with imported
geometry and modifying it. Most of the time a SolidWorks user is
forced to remodel the part from scratch if it needs major changes.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
understand someone else's design intent. Only a total CADCAM idiot
like Tom Brewer thinks a low level tool like a roll back bar is good
enough and is a practical and efficient tool to understand someone
else's design intent.

Solid Edge with S/T will offer compelling reasons to switch because
it's good at what SolidWorks sucks at.

Solid Edge with S/T will also suit some people=92s ideas on how a
modeler should really work far better than SolidWorks.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Aug 21, 11:12 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and ge=
neral usage of SolidWorks.
>
> SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to dealing with imported
> geometry and modifying it. Most of the time a SolidWorks user is
> forced to remodel the part from scratch if it needs major changes.
>
> SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
> understand someone else's design intent. Only a total CADCAM idiot
> like Tom Brewer thinks a low level tool like a roll back bar is good
> enough and is a practical and efficient tool to understand someone
> else's design intent.
>
> Solid Edge with S/T will offer compelling reasons to switch because
> it's good at what SolidWorks sucks at.
>
> Solid Edge with S/T will also suit some people=92s ideas on how a
> modeler should really work far better than SolidWorks.
>
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Jon, can you please explain IN YOUR OWN WORDS how Solid Edge with
Synchronous Technology will help a user understand the design intent
of someone else's model that was built in Solidworks?

> 5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and gene=
ral usage of SolidWorks.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to dealing with imported
geometry and modifying it. Most of the time a SolidWorks user is
forced to remodel the part from scratch if it needs major changes.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
understand someone else's design intent. Only a total CADCAM idiot
like Tom Brewer thinks a low level tool like a roll back bar is good
enough and is a practical and efficient tool to understand someone
else's design intent.

Solid Edge with S/T will offer compelling reasons to switch because
it's good at what SolidWorks sucks at.

Solid Edge with S/T will also suit some people=92s ideas on how a
modeler should really work far better than SolidWorks.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:12:51 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
>understand someone else's design intent. Only a total CADCAM idiot
>like Tom Brewer thinks a low level tool like a roll back bar is good
>enough and is a practical and efficient tool to understand someone
>else's design intent.

Please post where I made any such claim. All I said was I don't seem
to be having the same beginner problems you were having and if you
would just post specifics more experienced users are more than willing
to help you.

>Solid Edge with S/T will offer compelling reasons to switch because
>it's good at what SolidWorks sucks at.

A customer gives you a solid non-native model and you import it into
any of the "Synchronous Technology" Programs available.

How do you determine original design intent? 

Is design intent no longer a concern? 

With the original constraints removed (as you claim synchronous
technology strips when importing non-native models), when you
start hacking and whacking the model, how do you a machinist or anyone
else determine original design intent on that imported model, as well
as fit, form and function when you start making changes?

How do you determine which (critical) dimensions on the imported model
should be locked and which can remain unlocked?

And while your at it, per your previous posts, what exactly does your
engineering department do while you say you are hacking and whacking
their models & customer supplied models on a nearly daily basis?

Tom

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:24:48 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> 5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and general usage of SolidWorks.
>
>SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to dealing with imported
>geometry and modifying it. Most of the time a SolidWorks user is
>forced to remodel the part from scratch if it needs major changes.
>
>SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
>understand someone else's design intent. Only a total CADCAM idiot
>like Tom Brewer thinks a low level tool like a roll back bar is good
>enough and is a practical and efficient tool to understand someone
>else's design intent.
>
>Solid Edge with S/T will offer compelling reasons to switch because
>it's good at what SolidWorks sucks at.
>
>Solid Edge with S/T will also suit some people�s ideas on how a
>modeler should really work far better than SolidWorks.
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Jon,

If you really know anything about the program:

Explain IN YOUR OWN WORDS how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology
will help a user understand the design intent of someone else's
non-native imported model.

Tom

> 5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and gene=
ral usage of SolidWorks.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to dealing with imported
geometry and modifying it. Most of the time a SolidWorks user is
forced to remodel the part from scratch if it needs major changes.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
understand someone else's design intent. Only a total CADCAM idiot
like Tom Brewer thinks a low level tool like a roll back bar is good
enough and is a practical and efficient tool to understand someone
else's design intent.

Solid Edge with S/T will offer compelling reasons to switch because
it's good at what SolidWorks sucks at.

Solid Edge with S/T will also suit some people=92s ideas on how a
modeler should really work far better than SolidWorks.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Jon,

This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.

Quote:

Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
should
be held in the most appropriate newsgroup.  Messages should be posted
in
a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
another person.

I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
another member of this group.

CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
(agree)
(disagree)

TOP

I'll agree.. Maybe if we start ignoring him, not replying to anything he 
says, he will just go away. I'm really sick of seeing his bs posts.. If 
your going to cut and paste, or say something.. say it once.. I really 
don't want to see the same thing over, and over, and over, and over... heh

TOP wrote:
> Jon,
> 
> </snip>
> 
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
> 
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
> 
> TOP

Agree

=2E.

On Aug 22, 7:46=A0am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup. =A0Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP

"EVERYONES" help here would be greatly appreciated.

=2E.


On Aug 22, 7:46=A0am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup. =A0Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:51:39 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
>understand someone else's design intent.

Jon,

If you really know anything about the program:

Explain IN YOUR OWN WORDS how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology
will help a user understand the design intent of someone else's
non-native imported model.

Tom

Agree.

  WT

"TOP" <kellnerp@cbd.net> wrote in message 
news:3ac68816-62da-4c6e-b4d8-e7d66ee218e7@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP 

Agree,

Even though I haven't seen his posts for a long time, thanks to filters. I 
do see the responses to Jon's posts, from those silly enough to 
engage/encourage him. I have found I spend less and less time in this groug, 
directly because of the flame wars that persist.

John Layne
www.solidengineeirng.co.nz

"TOP" <kellnerp@cbd.net> wrote in message 
news:3ac68816-62da-4c6e-b4d8-e7d66ee218e7@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup.  Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP 

> I'm not a real fan of solidworks, I think the interface and overall system
> are tight. the graphics totally kick.

SolidWorks 2009 has a really nice user interface. "Graphics totally
kick" in SolidWorks because they use TechSoft 3D HOOPS. Mastercam
would greatly benefit from TechSoft 3D HOOPS.

See my blog for comments from the owner of TechSoft 3D.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

>Since you seem to agree with the charter by referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.

I agree with the charter. I don't agree with your interpretation of it
and I don't want to hold your hand. ;>)

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Jon,

When you use the pronoun "your" were you thinking the genitive case of 
"you all" or "you" in the singular? Seems to me four others agreed that 
what you said was insulting. So the question is, if those in the group 
think you are off base in some of the things you say and in this case 
specifically regarding Tom Brewer are you willing to desist for the good 
of the group?

Maybe more will chime in yet today or tomorrow with an agree or disagree.

TOP

jon_banquer wrote:
>> Since you seem to agree with the charter by referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
> 
> I agree with the charter. I don't agree with your interpretation of it
> and I don't want to hold your hand. ;>)
> 
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CA
> http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 

 > When you use the pronoun "your" were you thinking the genitive case
of
> "you all" or "you" in the singular?

You in the singular.

> Maybe more will chime in yet today or tomorrow with an agree or disagree.

Why would this matter? If you someone doesn't like that I post the
truth about SolidWorks than I suggest they don't read what I post.

I now view my job here as making sure others know what SolidWorks
severe limitations are and making them aware of better choices like
Solid Edge with S/T and hopefully others coming soon.

If you had a 100 posters who didn't want me to post here it would make
no difference to me, I'd still post here.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

"So the question is, if those in the group think you are off base in
some of the things you say and in this case
specifically regarding Tom Brewer are you willing to desist for the
good of the group?"

Tom Brewer is a CADCAM idiot who makes mistake after mistake after
mistake when it comes to CADCAM. He's also a massive liar and a Usenet
stalker.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:04:12 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>>Since you seem to agree with the charter by referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
>I agree with the charter. I don't agree with your interpretation of it
>and I don't want to hold your hand. ;>)

  In order to "discuss" or "compare" you'd first have to be a
user of both systems & you can use none.
  Hence you are full of BS again.
HTH
-- 
Cliff

> 5. To educate and inform others about the strengths, weaknesses, and gene=
ral usage of SolidWorks.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to dealing with imported
geometry and modifying it. Most of the time a SolidWorks user is
forced to remodel the part from scratch if it needs major changes.

SolidWorks is very weak when it comes to having the proper tools to
understand someone else's design intent. Only a total CADCAM idiot
like Tom Brewer thinks a low level tool like a roll back bar is good
enough and is a practical and efficient tool to understand someone
else's design intent.

Solid Edge with S/T will offer compelling reasons to switch because
it's good at what SolidWorks sucks at.

Solid Edge with S/T will also suit some people=92s ideas on how a
modeler should really work far better than SolidWorks.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote:

Still clueless 

>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA

Jon,

Thanks for your candid answers. I hope you took no offense at my
questions.

TOP

On Aug 22, 11:47 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  > When you use the pronoun "your" were you thinking the genitive case
> of
>
> > "you all" or "you" in the singular?
>
> You in the singular.
>
> > Maybe more will chime in yet today or tomorrow with an agree or disagree.
>
> Why would this matter? If you someone doesn't like that I post the
> truth about SolidWorks than I suggest they don't read what I post.
>
> I now view my job here as making sure others know what SolidWorks
> severe limitations are and making them aware of better choices like
> Solid Edge with S/T and hopefully others coming soon.
>
> If you had a 100 posters who didn't want me to post here it would make
> no difference to me, I'd still post here.
>
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Aug 23, 9:10 pm, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> Thanks for your candid answers. I hope you took no offense at my
> questions.
>
> TOP

I take offense to Paul Salvador who after all these years still
doesn't get it or where I'm coming from. When was the last time Paul
Salvador complained about the issues that I post about that effect so
many? Paul Salvador bought into the Pro/E crap hook line and sinker ->
Imported part needs lots of changes. Dude, just remodel the part!

"F" that.

I take offense that SolidWorks bloggers Ben Eadie, Josh Mings and
Ricky Jordon won't go after SolidWorks and get the problems that I
write about fixed. I take offense that Ben Eadie deletes comments that
I make when SolidWorks decides to screw him over. I take offense that
Josh Mings didn't publish my comments when he asked for suggestions on
how to improve his blog so I don't post there any more. I still read
both sites on occasion and I still like both of them but they both
lack backbone.

When I posted with an alias to Ricky Jordon's blog I got a semi-honest
answer about SolidWorks severe limitations with working with imported
data. I posted there because Ricky Jordon did the best job of any
SolidWorks blogger covering what was new in SolidWorks 2009. The guy
hates me but here I am saying he did a really good job covering what
was new in SolidWorks 2009.

2009 looks like it's going to clean up the 2008 mess. It appears to
have the user interface that 2008 should have had. It's probably a
better user interface than Solid Edge with S/T will have.

If it were up to me SolidWorks 2010 would focus on only two areas:

Gaining the tools that SolidEdge with S/T has.

Creating mapping tools so you could more easily understand someone
else's design intent.

It's in my best interest to have SolidWorks gain these tools. What if
I want to run Mastercam for SolidWorks?

I hope Mark Biasotti doesn't take any of this personally. I think Mark
Biasotti has done a lot of good for SolidWorks and I appreciate what
he's done and the effort he makes. I wish I could say the same about
Joe Dunne or Greg Jankowski but I can't.

Thanks for caring what I have to say and perhaps maybe understanding
why I'm so pissed off with SolidWorks Corp.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Aug 24, 10:08 am, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 23, 9:10 pm, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
>
> > Jon,
>
> > Thanks for your candid answers. I hope you took no offense at my
> > questions.
>
> > TOP
>
> I take offense to Paul Salvador who after all these years still
> doesn't get it or where I'm coming from. When was the last time Paul
> Salvador complained about the issues that I post about that effect so
> many? Paul Salvador bought into the Pro/E crap hook line and sinker ->
> Imported part needs lots of changes. Dude, just remodel the part!
>
> "F" that.
>
> I take offense that SolidWorks bloggers Ben Eadie, Josh Mings and
> Ricky Jordon won't go after SolidWorks and get the problems that I
> write about fixed. I take offense that Ben Eadie deletes comments that
> I make when SolidWorks decides to screw him over. I take offense that
> Josh Mings didn't publish my comments when he asked for suggestions on
> how to improve his blog so I don't post there any more. I still read
> both sites on occasion and I still like both of them but they both
> lack backbone.
>
> When I posted with an alias to Ricky Jordon's blog I got a semi-honest
> answer about SolidWorks severe limitations with working with imported
> data. I posted there because Ricky Jordon did the best job of any
> SolidWorks blogger covering what was new in SolidWorks 2009. The guy
> hates me but here I am saying he did a really good job covering what
> was new in SolidWorks 2009.
>
> 2009 looks like it's going to clean up the 2008 mess. It appears to
> have the user interface that 2008 should have had. It's probably a
> better user interface than Solid Edge with S/T will have.
>
> If it were up to me SolidWorks 2010 would focus on only two areas:
>
> Gaining the tools that SolidEdge with S/T has.
>
> Creating mapping tools so you could more easily understand someone
> else's design intent.
>
> It's in my best interest to have SolidWorks gain these tools. What if
> I want to run Mastercam for SolidWorks?
>
> I hope Mark Biasotti doesn't take any of this personally. I think Mark
> Biasotti has done a lot of good for SolidWorks and I appreciate what
> he's done and the effort he makes. I wish I could say the same about
> Joe Dunne or Greg Jankowski but I can't.
>
> Thanks for caring what I have to say and perhaps maybe understanding
> why I'm so pissed off with SolidWorks Corp.
>
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

"When I posted with an alias to Ricky Jordon's blog"

Jon, I thought you only posted with your own name?

On Aug 23, 9:10 pm, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:

> Jon,

> Thanks for your candid answers. I hope you took no offense at my
> questions.

> TOP

I take offense to Paul Salvador who after all these years still
doesn't get it or where I'm coming from. When was the last time Paul
Salvador complained about the issues that I post about that effect so
many? Paul Salvador bought into the Pro/E crap hook line and sinker ->
Imported part needs lots of changes. Dude, just remodel the part!

"F" that.

I take offense that SolidWorks bloggers Ben Eadie, Josh Mings and
Ricky Jordon won't go after SolidWorks and get the problems that I
write about fixed. I take offense that Ben Eadie deletes comments that
I make when SolidWorks decides to screw him over. I take offense that
Josh Mings didn't publish my comments when he asked for suggestions on
how to improve his blog so I don't post there any more. I still read
both sites on occasion and I still like both of them but they both
lack backbone.

When I posted with an alias to Ricky Jordon's blog I got a semi-honest
answer about SolidWorks severe limitations with working with imported
data. I posted there because Ricky Jordon did the best job of any
SolidWorks blogger covering what was new in SolidWorks 2009. The guy
hates me but here I am saying he did a really good job covering what
was new in SolidWorks 2009.

2009 looks like it's going to clean up the 2008 mess. It appears to
have the user interface that 2008 should have had. It's probably a
better user interface than Solid Edge with S/T will have.

If it were up to me SolidWorks 2010 would focus on only two areas:

Gaining the tools that SolidEdge with S/T has.

Creating mapping tools so you could more easily understand someone
else's design intent.

It's in my best interest to have SolidWorks gain these tools. What if
I want to run Mastercam for SolidWorks?

I hope Mark Biasotti doesn't take any of this personally. I think Mark
Biasotti has done a lot of good for SolidWorks and I appreciate what
he's done and the effort he makes. I wish I could say the same about
Joe Dunne or Greg Jankowski but I can't.

Thanks for caring what I have to say and perhaps maybe understanding
why I'm so pissed off with SolidWorks Corp.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

jon_banquer wrote:
> On Aug 23, 9:10 pm, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
>> Jon,
>>
>> Thanks for your candid answers. I hope you took no offense at my
>> questions.
>>
>> TOP
> 
> I take offense to Paul Salvador who after all these years still
> doesn't get it or where I'm coming from. When was the last time Paul
> Salvador complained about the issues that I post about that effect so
> many? Paul Salvador bought into the Pro/E crap hook line and sinker ->
> Imported part needs lots of changes. Dude, just remodel the part!
> 
> "F" that.
> 
> I take offense that SolidWorks bloggers Ben Eadie, Josh Mings and
> Ricky Jordon won't go after SolidWorks and get the problems that I
> write about fixed. I take offense that Ben Eadie deletes comments that
> I make when SolidWorks decides to screw him over. I take offense that
> Josh Mings didn't publish my comments when he asked for suggestions on
> how to improve his blog so I don't post there any more. I still read
> both sites on occasion and I still like both of them but they both
> lack backbone.
> 
> When I posted with an alias to Ricky Jordon's blog I got a semi-honest
> answer about SolidWorks severe limitations with working with imported
> data. I posted there because Ricky Jordon did the best job of any
> SolidWorks blogger covering what was new in SolidWorks 2009. The guy
> hates me but here I am saying he did a really good job covering what
> was new in SolidWorks 2009.
> 
> 2009 looks like it's going to clean up the 2008 mess. It appears to
> have the user interface that 2008 should have had. It's probably a
> better user interface than Solid Edge with S/T will have.
> 
> If it were up to me SolidWorks 2010 would focus on only two areas:
> 
> Gaining the tools that SolidEdge with S/T has.
> 
> Creating mapping tools so you could more easily understand someone
> else's design intent.
> 
> It's in my best interest to have SolidWorks gain these tools. What if
> I want to run Mastercam for SolidWorks?
> 
> I hope Mark Biasotti doesn't take any of this personally. I think Mark
> Biasotti has done a lot of good for SolidWorks and I appreciate what
> he's done and the effort he makes. I wish I could say the same about
> Joe Dunne or Greg Jankowski but I can't.
> 
> Thanks for caring what I have to say and perhaps maybe understanding
> why I'm so pissed off with SolidWorks Corp.
> 
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CA
> http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
> 
Do you think (bad choice of a word for Jonnie) that Solidworks or anyone 
else REALLY cares about your opinion of the software?  If you do, you 
are even dumber than you appear, if that is possible.

gk

On Aug 23, 9:10 pm, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:

> Jon,
> Thanks for your candid answers. I hope you took no offense at my
> questions.
> TOP

I take offense to Paul Salvador who after all these years still
doesn't get it or where I'm coming from. When was the last time Paul
Salvador complained about the issues that I post about that effect so
many? Paul Salvador bought into the Pro/E crap hook line and sinker ->
Imported part needs lots of changes. Dude, just remodel the part!

"F" that.

I take offense that SolidWorks bloggers Ben Eadie, Josh Mings and
Ricky Jordon won't go after SolidWorks and get the problems that I
write about fixed. I take offense that Ben Eadie deletes comments that
I make when SolidWorks decides to screw him over. I take offense that
Josh Mings didn't publish my comments when he asked for suggestions on
how to improve his blog so I don't post there any more. I still read
both sites on occasion and I still like both of them but they both
lack backbone.

When I posted with an alias to Ricky Jordon's blog I got a semi-honest
answer about SolidWorks severe limitations with working with imported
data. I posted there because Ricky Jordon did the best job of any
SolidWorks blogger covering what was new in SolidWorks 2009. The guy
hates me but here I am saying he did a really good job covering what
was new in SolidWorks 2009.

2009 looks like it's going to clean up the 2008 mess. It appears to
have the user interface that 2008 should have had. It's probably a
better user interface than Solid Edge with S/T will have.

If it were up to me SolidWorks 2010 would focus on only two areas:

Gaining the tools that SolidEdge with S/T has.

Creating mapping tools so you could more easily understand someone
else's design intent.

It's in my best interest to have SolidWorks gain these tools. What if
I want to run Mastercam for SolidWorks?

I hope Mark Biasotti doesn't take any of this personally. I think Mark
Biasotti has done a lot of good for SolidWorks and I appreciate what
he's done and the effort he makes. I wish I could say the same about
Joe Dunne or Greg Jankowski but I can't.

Thanks for caring what I have to say and perhaps maybe understanding
why I'm so pissed off with SolidWorks Corp.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

sorry everyone...

Again... Jon......I have ALWAYS said,..  if  I was working with dumb
data full-time,..  I'd use the tools which handle dumb data,.. but I
rarely manipulate dumb data and rarely work at manipulating dumb
analytical data.   Until things improve... and when needed....
remodeling NON-analytical parts is what I need to do to get the job
done now and depending on who/what/where.... most clients prefer
parametric driven data over dumb data.  I typically design from
scratch and most designs fully relate to a master model.

sadly,... after all these years,... you spin/twist/distort/.... and
forget.

http://tinyurl.com/6p483x

=2E. go ahead,.. lie about what I think about SE or NX.... go right
ahead... twist it around all you want.   ;^)

my I suggest starting your own SE NG.. help others and help
yourself...  and... stop using SW,... it's not healthy for you!

otherwise...again, as always,... you're OT, cross posting and you're
abusive.

=2E.



On Aug 24, 8:07=A0pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I take offense to Paul Salvador who after all these years still
> doesn't get it or where I'm coming from. When was the last time Paul
> Salvador complained about the issues that I post about that effect so
> many? Paul Salvador bought into the Pro/E crap hook line and sinker ->
> Imported part needs lots of changes. Dude, just remodel the part!
>
> "F" that.

> stop using SW,... it's not healthy for you!

Your finally got something right. It's not healthy for me right now.
If Siemens does their job it maybe safe to go back by SolidWorks 2010.

> otherwise...again, as always,... you're OT, cross posting and you're
> abusive.

I cut through the bullshit. It's bullshit that SolidWorks bloggers
aren't really honest about SolidWorks limitations with imported data
and SolidWorks lack of tools to understand someone else's design
intent.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Aug 22, 10:46=A0am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup. =A0Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP

I agree.

Dan

I AGREE

Can I say that any louder?

I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn't 
work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.

TOP wrote:
> Jon,
> 
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
> 
> Quote:
> 
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup.  Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
> 
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
> 
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
> 
> TOP


----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----
http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups
---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =---

On Aug 22, 7:46=A0am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup. =A0Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP

Agreed,
Time to put an end to these unprofessional and frankly unhelpful posts

I agree.  In all of the years I've been lurking/posting on this
newsgroup, I don't think I have ever seen Jon actually answer a
question with a useful answer.  If people would stop feeding the
troll, perhaps he would go away.

Whining that SolidWorks does not do Jon's work for him does not
constitute comparing it to other systems.  Neither does cutting and
pasting a link to a blog or a website.

Frankly, I hardly ever stop by here anymore because of all of the
crap.  Can the charter be re-written to include being blocked from
posting for abuse?

Debbie



On Aug 22, 10:46 am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup.  Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP

> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP


I agree too.

Rich 

On Aug 22, 11:56=A0pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "So the question is, if those in the group think you are off base in
> some of the things you say and in this case
> specifically regarding Tom Brewer are you willing to desist for the
> good of the group?"
>
> Tom Brewer is a CADCAM idiot who makes mistake after mistake after
> mistake when it comes to CADCAM. He's also a massive liar and a Usenet
> stalker.
>
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

agree.  I don't like seeing the posts from Jon either.

BB

Agree  fully


On Aug 22, 7:46=A0am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup. =A0Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP

On Aug 22, 9:46=A0am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP

I agree. I doubt it will do any good though, Paul. <sigh>

Reaper.

I agree.
A lot.
Ed

Don't be discouraged. Stay on topic and don't feed the trolls. (DFT2)
At some point we all have to stand up for the charter.

TOP

On Aug 25, 5:26 pm, Reaper2561 <Dennis.Gr...@graphicpkg.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 9:46 am, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> > (agree)
> > (disagree)
>
> > TOP
>
> I agree. I doubt it will do any good though, Paul. <sigh>
>
> Reaper.

> I agree. I doubt it will do any good though

Exactly.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

"In all of the years I've been lurking/posting on this newsgroup, I
don't think I have ever seen Jon actually answer a question with a
useful answer."

You're lazy and you're an idiot.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

> I agree.

Then go back to your worthless Google SolidWorks group, where no one
can say anything bad about SolidWorks, and put your head back in the
sand.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

> I don't like seeing the posts from Jon either.

I don't like seeing your posts either.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

> At some point we all have to stand up for the charter.

At some point more people need to start stating the truth that
SolidWorks is lousy at dealing with someone else's design intent and
SolidWorks totally sucks at modifying non-native solids. IOW, in many
real word situations SolidWorks is crap.

http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=3D657308&ref=3Dg_sitelink


"... also reinforces Gartner=92s prediction that a new generation of CAD
will replace procedural history-based modeling as the mainstream
approach to mechanical CAD."


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn't
> work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.

I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of
not being able to learn.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

>
>You're lazy and you're an idiot.
>
>Jon Banquer


[
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:38:34 -0800 (PST), jon_banquer
<jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>How can SolidWorks be a far better tool than IronCAD if it doesn't
>allow a user to have easy and full control over their parts and
>assemblies?
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego,CA

Let me start by saying your and idiot.

IronCAD has parametric tools, and it allows you to use direct editing
tools on the geometry as well. So does SolidWorks. It proves you don't
know either tool well enough to open your yap about it.

IronCAD allows you to create a history based part and then overwrite
the history, essentially making the part into an imported part,
throwing away the features, and just keeping the acis/parasolid body.
You can do the same thing in SW with either an insert part or a
translation. It's a crutch, Jon. A crutch for stupid people like you.
You don't need to do that, because in SW you can do direct editing
right on the history-based model.

Your problem here starts with the fact that you never define exactly
what you're talking about, so no one can answer you properly. I
suspect the reason you don't define what your talking about is because
you don't have any fucking clue.

Mixing paradigms like that (parametric and direct editing) should be
the exception rather than the norm, but you seem to gravitate toward
the dumbassedest way of doing things. Multiple contexts all over
again. If there's a bad idea in a box, you'll find it.

] Daisy

[
> 
> Sounds like you need to turn on multiple-context references to create
> the mate. Tools, Options, External References and then check: Allow
> multiple contexts for parts when editing in assembly. Once you make
> the mate you want make sure you go back and uncheck this box.
> 
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CA
> http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
> 

JEESUS!!!!

Jon, you can't be serious! Multiple contexts? That is an absolute last
resort, even when it answers the problem, you fucktard.

Plus, if you knew anything about anything you'd know that a mate
doesn't create external relationships between parts, so that switch
won't solve the problem anyway. Notice that the beginning user didn't
do you the favor of telling you what the error message actually said,
and you fell into the trap of ASSuming you knew what it was. Dumbass.
If you were any smarter you would know that there was not enough
information to solve the problem. But that was something that was
taought in school, so youy wouldn't know anything about it.

Better watch some more videos.

Did any of those books have the "use for positioning only" switch???
Why is it you refuse to learn anything? Why is that, Jon? Why are you
so fukn stupid? Did you drop out of skule bekaz yer reeding
comprehention was so bad? Did they fire you from that lame ass job
because your such a poser?

How about using a flexible subassembly? Why did you fail to think of 
that, Banqueer?

Or what abouyt making the mate in the top level? Or checking for 
conflicting mates or fixed components? O just about anything 'ceptn
for that ONE forbidden apple, the multiple context switch, which isn;t
the ansswer anyway?

What a fukn joke. Here I am just a hack, and I know better than that. 
Your expertness. pppbbbbtt!!

Stick to sweeping chips, faggot.

] Daisy. :0)_m

=============================

[
jon_banquer wrote: 
> The SolidWorks Flex Feature gets slammed as not being accurate enough 
> by some but I fail to see where a spline or a loft meets the accurate 
> enough criteria that others feel is so critical. 


Oh, this is getting good. Say something else stupid and utterly
ignorant, Jon. I gotta hear more of that. This demonstrates beyond
doubt that you've never used either one. Jeesis, what a dumass. 
] Dusty. 

[
jon_banquer wrote: 
> Is there a way to fix Tim Pane 1 / Trim Plane 2 directly to a face. If 
> not shouldn't there be? 
> Jon Banquer 
> San Diego, CA 

Oh, are you gonna go off again about global shape modeling? 
Please? 

I love machinists doing global deformations of my models before they 
machine them. Or  I mean I would if my name were Salvadore Dali. 
Flex is another semi-useless function in the software. You just 
gravitate toward that crap. 
] Daisy 

[
jon_banquer wrote: 
> Pushing Up Daisies, 
> "I  love machinists doing global deformations of my models before they 
> machine them. Or I mean I would if my name were Salvadore Dali." 
> I think it would be fair to say you hate machinists which is fine with 
> me... I dislike most mechanical engineers. Not all, just most. 
> Using the SolidWorks Flex feature seems like an excellent way to save 
> some time and modify a "dumb" imported solid to me. Not aware of any 
> drawbacks to using the Flex Feature yet. 

Yeah, I'm sure you're not, but that's not because they are not there, 
it's because you are so feaking clueless. You don't have very good 
control over what the feature makes. You can be precise when actually 
modeling a part, but Flex just throws all that precision out the
window. 
] Daisy

[
jon_banquer wrote:
> For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc. 
> I think it's great and saves a lot of time. 
> I also think it's great for making cosmetic changes to differentiate 
> between what really are the same parts to keep private label customers 

Never worked in a sheet metal shop, have you Jon? 

How the hell are you going to manufacture something that was bent by
something like that?

You don't have precise control of the results. Flex can't be used for
design or manufacturing data. 

Where did you used to work before you got fired? 
] Daisy

[
jon_banquer wrote: 
> Pushing Up Daisies, 
> To answer your question I have never worked in a sheet metal shop. 

No shit?! I couldn't have told! 

> I'm 

> not using the SolidWorks Flex Feature for sheet metal parts. 

Really? What kind of a part is a bracket? Particularly a bent bracket?
Is it just a bent part and not sheet metal? 

> You continue to be unable to backup your claim with specifics on why 
> the SolidWorks Flex feature isn't a great tool for modifying the types 
> of "dumb" imported solids that I mentioned. 

It's unsuitable because you're at the mercy of the software when it 
comes to the shape in the flexed area. If you had ever used the
feature, you'd know this without being told. 

> Perhaps you prefer to model the parts again so as to get more billable 
> hours. I don't. 

I prefer to have the parts correct, not half-assed. Please, tell me
the name of any shop where you get a job. I want to make sure we save
time and money by not having you wreck my parts. 
] Daisy

[
jon_banquer wrote: 
>> wow you one bitter bitch, what do you do again? 
> The Flex Feature is a lot better than you think it is. 
> Posted to comp.cad.solidworks on Feb 22 2006 
>
> "I don't use the deform tool but I've made fantastic use of the flex 
> feature.  It is very predictable and controllable once I got the hang 
> of it.  I've used it in quite a few production  parts from injection 
> molded housings to fabricated steel.  My rant is about indent - I 
> find 
> it very very confusing for some reason. 
> Zander" 
> Jon Banquer 
> San Diego, CA 
> http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#c... 

In the history of everything, one person who you don't even know from 
adam posts something positive about your pet projetct, and now it 
becomes gospel. What I like is that you'll use this anonymous zander
as a role model for something you know nothing about, and then you'll
bust on engineers for creating stupidshit models which can't be made.

What you dont realize is that the Flex makes it really easy to make
stupidshit models. Here's a novel idea. Why don't you actually use the
software to make something and tell us what you did? 

Did you lose access to SolidWorks software when you got booted from
that last shop for crashing another machine?
 
I like indent. I don't like flex or multiple contexts although I use 
then when need requires. Which is almost never. 
 
You're still refusing to post a situation in which you would use 
multiple contexts? Credibility slipping jon. Based on using flex for 
sheet metal parts, it probably is best to keep you fucking mouth shut 
for a change. 

How about Shape, jon? I'll bet you like Shape too, don\t you./ Its as 
big a piece of shit as the rest, which is how I know you'll like it. 
And of course the grand daddy of useless features is Deform. This is
the one I expected you to glom onto, with the global shape modeling
and all. 

Anyway, Shape and Deform. Think about them for a while. I know your 
gonna love them. 
] Daisy

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn't
>> work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.
>
>I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of
>not being able to learn.
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

How are you coming along with learning how to format a spreadsheet
Jon?

> At some point we all have to stand up for the charter.

At some point more people need to start stating the truth that
SolidWorks is lousy at dealing with someone else's design intent and
SolidWorks totally sucks at modifying non-native solids. IOW, in many
real word situations SolidWorks is crap.

http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=3D657308&ref=3Dg_sitelink

"... also reinforces Gartner=92s prediction that a new generation of CAD
will replace procedural history-based modeling as the mainstream
approach to mechanical CAD."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Agree

i agree.

but the only way for this to happen is to have a moderator to filter
out the unwanted.

words of wisdom are easily ignored when they come from an idiot like
Jon.  iQ

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:31:25 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"In all of the years I've been lurking/posting on this newsgroup, I
>don't think I have ever seen Jon actually answer a question with a
>useful answer."
>
>You're lazy and you're an idiot.

  IOW He was 100% correct.
-- 
Cliff

"iQ" <mwalters@xandex.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
>
> words of wisdom are easily ignored when they come from an idiot like
> Jon.  iQ
>

Agree. It's a question of signal to noise ratio. For some it's so obvious 
that there is no questionning: plonk.
The problem is for those who answer to noise: plonk or not? I wish i would 
have less often to solve this pb. 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn't
>> work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.
>
>I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of
>not being able to learn.

  And nobody knows less than jon_banquer@yahoo.com  !
  Or is a slower learner.
-- 
Cliff

Agree.

I've been plonking anyone who crossposts.
My kill file list is quite large. 

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:06:53 -0700, brewertr@aol.com wrote:

>[
>jon_banquer wrote: 
>> Is there a way to fix Tim Pane 1 / Trim Plane 2 directly to a face. If 
>> not shouldn't there be? 
>> Jon Banquer 
>> San Diego, CA 
>
>Oh, are you gonna go off again about global shape modeling? 
>Please? 
>
>I love machinists doing global deformations of my models before they 
>machine them. Or  I mean I would if my name were Salvadore Dali. 
>Flex is another semi-useless function in the software. You just 
>gravitate toward that crap. 
>] Daisy 

  An early free demo of 3dinkies came with a video game IIRC.
  I expect poor clueless was very impressed.
-- 
Cliff

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:06:53 -0700, brewertr@aol.com wrote:

>[
>jon_banquer wrote:
>> For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc. 
>> I think it's great and saves a lot of time. 
>> I also think it's great for making cosmetic changes to differentiate 
>> between what really are the same parts to keep private label customers 
>
>Never worked in a sheet metal shop, have you Jon? 
>
>How the hell are you going to manufacture something that was bent by
>something like that?
>
>You don't have precise control of the results. Flex can't be used for
>design or manufacturing data. 
>
>Where did you used to work before you got fired? 
>] Daisy

  jbtech in Phoenix IS a sheet metal shop IIRC.
-- 
Cliff

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:56:56 -0400, Cliff <Clhuprich@aol.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:06:53 -0700, brewertr@aol.com wrote:
>
>>[
>>jon_banquer wrote:
>>> For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc. 
>>> I think it's great and saves a lot of time. 
>>> I also think it's great for making cosmetic changes to differentiate 
>>> between what really are the same parts to keep private label customers 
>>
>>Never worked in a sheet metal shop, have you Jon? 
>>
>>How the hell are you going to manufacture something that was bent by
>>something like that?
>>
>>You don't have precise control of the results. Flex can't be used for
>>design or manufacturing data. 
>>
>>Where did you used to work before you got fired? 
>>] Daisy
>
>  jbtech in Phoenix IS a sheet metal shop IIRC.

[ 
I think it depends on how you use the Flex feature <snip> For
bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc. 
I think it's great and saves a lot of time.
]  - Jon Banquer-  September 2007

[
To answer your question I have never worked in a sheet metal shop. I'm
not using the SolidWorks Flex Feature for sheet metal parts. 
] - Jon Banquer-

[
The items you described Jon, where you recommend using the Flex
Feature "brackets, hangers" and other like suspension parts ARE sheet
metal parts.
] -brewertr-

Hail Eris! On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:08:30 -0400, Cliff frothed and foamed:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
> wrote:
> 
>>On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>>> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn't
>>> work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.
>>
>>I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of not
>>being able to learn.
> 
>   And nobody knows less than jon_banquer@yahoo.com  ! Or is a slower
>   learner.

Betcha Agamemnon gets two more "of the Month" awards before Jonny gets
/one/...;-{P}

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5
The God of Odd Statements
Stupidity Takes Its Toll. Please Have Exact Change.

Thread where outing begins: http://tinyurl.com/hojf8
George Pickett Memorial Award nominee <wfh_jr@hotmail.com> on outing
personal contact info in x-poasted subject lines:
"Plenty of people post under their real names and do not attempt to hide
their contact info. You are scared of being 'outed' because you are a
pathological abuser of usenet, and people rightly despise you for it.
You're afraid of being reported to the authorities or, better, visited
by a couple of guys with baseball bats. Other people don't have this
obsessive fear. Ward Hardman himself has posted plenty of personal
information - nothing that anyone else added was hidden in any way.
You're so fucking scared you've built up this whole sick mythology about
different categories of bad dudes who 'out' scum like you.

"Meanwhile you are the ugliest pigfucker in the universe. You are the
coward without ethics. You call me a 'newbie' - ha! what an asshole you
are. Those who want to remain anonymous do so. There is absolutely no
way you could identify me, not unless you had the sort of subpoena power
that only gets turned on for big-time terrorists. That's because I chose
to be anonymous. Some people don't. Only really stupid dicks like you
choose the sort of semi-anonymity which leaves you in constant fear.

"What a dickless wonder you are 'Snarky' you fat asshole."
-- in MID: <1156587081.123977.43800@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:52:55 GMT, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
Lola Stonewall Riot <meow@popesnarky.argh> got double secret probation
for writing:

>Hail Eris! On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:08:30 -0400, Cliff frothed and foamed:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn't
>>>> work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.
>>>
>>>I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of not
>>>being able to learn.
>> 
>>   And nobody knows less than jon_banquer@yahoo.com  ! Or is a slower
>>   learner.
>
>Betcha Agamemnon gets two more "of the Month" awards before Jonny gets
>/one/...;-{P}

Gummy WAY before Banquer

> I've been plonking anyone who crossposts.
> My kill file list is quite large.

Have you thought about plonking yourself ?

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

 > words of wisdom...

never emanate from an idiot like you.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:47:33 -0700, Aratzio wrote these lies, denials,
arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or obfuscations:
> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:52:55 GMT, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks, Lola
> Stonewall Riot got double secret probation for writing:
>>Hail Eris! On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:08:30 -0400, Cliff frothed and foamed:
>>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or
>>>>> doesn't work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of
>>>>not being able to learn.
>>> 
>>>   And nobody knows less than jon_banquer@yahoo.com  ! Or is a slower
>>>   learner.
>>
>>Betcha Agamemnon gets two more "of the Month" awards before Jonny gets
>>/one/...;-{P}
> 
> Gummy WAY before Banquer

Gammy (again) before Gummy. Yes, twice.

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Anonymous Psycho Criminal #18
TEH USENETS BULLIE
http://www.runescape.com/
Join my RuneScape clan!
http://z11.invisionfree.com/Holy_Pretzel_Cabal/index.php
Full name of clan: Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet
And Usenet Terrorist Pretzel

Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle
Trainer of PorchMonkey4Life
http://www.screedbomb.info/porchie/

Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2008
Hammer of Thor, July 2008

"Not supporting me is equivalent to forfeiting your own rights." -- 
John D. Wentzky: Warrior For Your Freedumb! Message-ID:
<33km2419sg6fnq3shtbatqa602eagfbskl@4ax.com>

"You cognatatively challenged fool!" -- According to Agamemnon, Stephen
Wilson is, apparently, highly ignorant about cognates, and so is anyone
who dares to disagree with him, in Message-ID:
<Jvidnfyewe883sjVnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>

"Is it still necrophilia if I'm conscious?" -- Owen Harper, "Dead Man
Walking", Torchwood (20/207)

On Aug 26, 10:08=A0am, Cliff <Clhupr...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.=
com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn'=
t
> >> work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.
>
> >I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of
> >not being able to learn.
>
> =A0 And nobody knows less than jon_banq...@yahoo.com =A0!
> =A0 Or is a slower learner.
> --


BURN!!!

"iQ" <mwalters@xandex.com> wrote in message 
news:e0f82c18-528b-425d-b647-b50aba7efddf@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>i agree.

<snip>

if you agree why did you cross post? 

"Jean Marc" <jean-marc.brun> wrote in message 
news:48b41c1f$0$4905$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> Agree.

<snip>

if you agree why did you cross post? 

"kenneth" <none@nospam.com> a �crit dans le message de news: 
9rdtk.38493$ZE5.16598@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> if you agree why did you cross post?
>

I agreed on
"words of wisdom are easily ignored when they come from an idiot like
Jon. "

As i wrote, I dislike the noise. Useful signal can come from several places.
When I answer, I usualy do not pay attention to the fact that my answer is 
posted on several NGs. That's the default on my newsreader (and I think I am 
not alone in this case).
I'll be aware...

....And all that is turning to noise. 

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:52:55 GMT, Lola Stonewall Riot <meow@popesnarky.argh>
wrote:

>Hail Eris! On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:08:30 -0400, Cliff frothed and foamed:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:45:50 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Aug 25, 9:55 am, j <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> I AGREE AS WELL. If I want to learn how well Mastercam works or doesn't
>>>> work, I'll jump over to that newsgroup.
>>>
>>>I don't expect this will happen as you have a proven track record of not
>>>being able to learn.
>> 
>>   And nobody knows less than jon_banquer@yahoo.com  ! Or is a slower
>>   learner.
>
>Betcha Agamemnon gets two more "of the Month" awards before Jonny gets
>/one/...;-{P}

  Go for it, jb.
  We KNOW you can win !!!
-- 
Cliff

Jon,

It would seem that without exception the members of this group agreed
that your posts did not comply with the group charter. Since this
group was formed by consensus I think it is in the groups best
interest that you follow the interpretation the group agrees on
regarding posting.

Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?

TOP

On Aug 21, 4:25 pm, TOP <kelln...@cbd.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know if cross posting is allowed by the charter for
> comp.cad.solidworks?
>
> TOP

> It would seem that without exception the members of this group agreed
> that your posts did not comply with the group charter. Since this
> group was formed by consensus I think it is in the groups best
> interest that you follow the interpretation the group agrees on
> regarding posting.

The majority went along with Hitler.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?

I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced unilaterally.
You have proven you have no interest in doing this.

Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
even the largest poster to this newsgroup.

Your credibility is headed to the Matt Lorano zone.... zero.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:08:07 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
>even the largest poster to this newsgroup.

  You have at LEAST 6,220 xposted posts under just one of your
many names AND probably are the largest poster to CCS by far
with well over 7,310 posts to CCS under just ONE of your many
names.
  That's two lies in a row.

  Typical.

HTH
-- 
Cliff

> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?

I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced unilaterally.
You have proven you have no interest in doing this.

Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
even the largest poster to this newsgroup.

Your credibility is headed to the Matt Lorano zone.... zero.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:38:11 -0400, Cliff fixed me with a beady eye, and
foamed wildly:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:08:07 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
> wrote:
> 
>>Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
>>even the largest poster to this newsgroup.
> 
>   You have at LEAST 6,220 xposted posts under just one of your
> many names AND probably are the largest poster to CCS by far with well
> over 7,310 posts to CCS under just ONE of your many names.
>   That's two lies in a row.
> 
>   Typical.
> 
> HTH

<fixes groups line> HTH.;-{P}

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! Cthulhu fhtagn! mhm 29x21; Top Asshole #3; Lits Slut #16
Chas. E. Pemberton; Most Hated Usenetizen of All Time #13
Gutter Chix0r #17; BowTie's Spuriously Accused Pedo Photographer #4
COOSN-029-06-71069; Usenet Ruiner #5; Official Chung Demon
AUK Psycho & Felon #21; Parrot & Zombie #2
Anonymous Psycho Criminal #18
Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2008
Hammer of Thor, July 2008
"Life size models of Cthulhu, on sale now!"

"Folklore is a 19th century Romanticist movement based on
contemporary popular northern European music."

"The entire concept was concocted by the Brothers Grimm during the
Romanticist literary period and entered the discipline of music in the
following century with the Romanticist musical period after Beethoven."
-- Please send medical bills for any damage to your health caused by the
above two quotes to Agamemnon-Skopianosfaktis. Message-ID:
<UNGdnZVRnLb0fwXVRVnyigA@eclipse.net.uk>

"Kolofilia between a human and another human is as depraved as fucking
animals." -- Agamemnon, poutso kelftis, just plain doesn't like sex,
apparently. Message-ID:
<asqdneLCt_DZ6e_VnZ2dnUVZ8rednZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>

"Roe V Wade has zero bearing on my existence other than it affects it 
adversely." 
-- Johnny Wentzky never had much truck with "logic". Message-ID:
<V6xNe.27650$XM3.20042@bignews5.bellsouth.net>

"You are the GOD-DAMNED, IGNORANT LIAR here. 
Now, that is not me taking the Lord's name in vain." 
-- John Wentzky: Living proof of the Death of Irony, in Message-ID:
<jljOe.5348$ZD4.3223@bignews3.bellsouth.net>

"For the most part, morality is universal." -- John "Easily" Shocked

"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky, in Message-ID:
<Ie2Qe.8199$wb5.1083@bignews1.bellsouth.net>

"Gay men deserve to die." -- John Wentzky, in Message-ID:
<RSR3f.23691$5l.19933@bignews1.bellsouth.net>

"Laws count, the US Constitution count more, and we need to have judges
on the bench who are going to Carry Out those laws, not Make Law or
Interpret Law." -- John "Easily" Shocked contradicts his own words on
the overriding importance of society's reluctance to accept
homosexuality, in Message-ID: <brIDe.67062$Qo.12613@fed1read01>

"I heard that you are still trespassing in the USA. If it's black, it
refuses to work and it accuses whites of racism. What a joke.
Look at a map and see where Africa is, bitchboy. What is this GOD DAMNED
NIGGERISH ALLEGIANCE YOU HAVE TO TRYING TO GET WHITE PEOPLE TO HAND OFF
OTHER WHITE PEOPLE TO SOMEONE YOU THINK IS NOT AGAINST YOUR CRIMINAL
ALLEGIANCE??????
Too afraid to tell the truth?
WIMPS!
COWARDS!
LIARS!
MILITANT ASSPRICKS!
LOSERS!
FAILED BULLSHITBOYS WHOSE CANDY HAS NO RED ON IT! YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE!
I LICKED THE RED OFF YOUR CANDY BECAUSE YOU ARE YOUR ILK HAVEN'T GOT ANY
FURY!
THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T BEAT ME VIA ANY LAWFUL MEANS WHATSOEVER! YOU'RE A
NAMBY PAMBY ANTI-USA ASSPRICK!" -- Huge pools of MOLTEN WENTZKY are
being found all over the Carolinas, after his reply to Panama Floyd, in
Message-ID: <qiA3k.2556$Xe.1871@bignews1.bellsouth.net>

http://www.screedbomb.info/coosn/
Q: Who is eligible for a COOSN?

A: Kookologists with 10 or more verifiable UV points may exchange these
points for a Cabal Obsidian Order Sombrero Number.

Q: Who is *not* eligible for a COOSN?

A: Certified net.kooks; notorious net.cretins; terminally clueless
fuckwits; previous winners of kook-awards, unless an official pardon has
been granted by the FNVW.

Q: How do I apply for a COOSN?

A: Make a Usenet post to alt.usenet.kooks (crossposting to your favourite
newsgroups is acceptable); to ensure that the FNVW actually sees your
request, try to use either of the following formats for the subject line:

[COOSN Application] Your name (or best known handle) here 
[COOSN Request] Your name (or best known handle) here

Please provide a list of 10 UV points - along with verifiable evidence for
each point wherever possible.

Q: Can one Kookologist nominate *another* Kookologist for a COOSN? 

A: Yes, but the proposer should supply a verifiable list of 10 UV points
for the nominee at the time of the nomination. Also, the nominee must
accept the nomination before a COOSN is issued.

Q: What happens if my Sombrero Number application is refused by the FNVW?

A: The Office of Darth Bawl is always looking for new candidates. Nuff
said.

Q: What are "UV points"?
1. Threats of violence, especially death. (one point per kook)
2. Lists, i.e. *real* lists, not just mentions of two or three names in
the same post. One list per kook, unless the lists are clearly meant to
serve different purposes.
3. Fanboi sites (one point per kook, not one point per site. Minimum
qualification is a whole page about you; pages containing lists don't
score extra if the list also appears on Usenet).
4. Fanboi newsgroups (one point per kook, not one point per group)
5. Attempts at real-life contact (e.g. posting phone numbers)
6. Fake awards, revenge nominations etc. (one point per kook)
7. Mentions in a newsgroup FAQ (e.g. soc.men).
8. Being the target of a Kooksuit (one point per kook).

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:51:50 GMT, The Black Goat With A Thousand Young
<ancient_ones@shoggoths.rule> wrote:

><fixes groups line> HTH.;-{P}

  Yeah, thanks.
  IIRC I spotted my typo a bit later & resent too.
  He keeps reposting the same post too <G>.
-- 
Cliff

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:11:54 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?
>
>I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced unilaterally.

  What was the word before your spelling checker "fixed" it?

>You have proven you have no interest in doing this.
>
>Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
>even the largest poster to this newsgroup.

  You are claiming someone else is fatter? In the head?

>Your credibility is headed to the Matt Lorano zone.... zero.

  This from mister zero credability ... while Matt is a respected expert
(who knows things and helps people) AND whose book is published.

>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA

  Nope.
  Chula Vista last we knew.
  Did she throw you out? Keep her Rottweiler?
-- 
Cliff

> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?

I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced unilaterally.
You have proven you have no interest in doing this.

Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
even the largest poster to this newsgroup.

Your credibility is headed to the Matt Lorano zone.... zero.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

jon_banquer wrote:
>> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?
> 
> I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced unilaterally.
> You have proven you have no interest in doing this.
> 
> Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
> even the largest poster to this newsgroup.
> 
> Your credibility is headed to the Matt Lorano zone.... zero.
> 
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CA
> 
Math problems again.  Does ANYONE really care how Jonnie rates their 
credibility?  Sort of like being rated by a homeless person.

gk

> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?

I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced unilaterally.
You have proven you have no interest in doing this.

Here's a clue... I'm not the largest cross poster to this newsgroup or
even the largest poster to this newsgroup.

Your credibility is headed to the Matt Lorano zone.... zero.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

jon_banquer wrote:
>> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?
> 
> I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced unilaterally.
> You have proven you have no interest in doing this.
> 

You need to edit this as 'unilaterally' probably isn't what you mean.

Guido wrote:
> jon_banquer wrote:
>>> Are you willing to work within the group's wishes?
>>
>> I'm willing to follow the group charter if it's enforced
>> unilaterally. You have proven you have no interest in doing this.
>>
>
> You need to edit this as 'unilaterally' probably isn't what you mean.


Won't be as funny if he does.
LOL

-- 

           John R. Carroll
  www.machiningsolution.com

> You need to edit this as 'unilaterally' probably isn't what you mean.

Done.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Sorry to be so late to reply, but work has had me completely buried for 
several weeks now. I agree.
"TOP" <kellnerp@cbd.net> wrote in message 
news:3ac68816-62da-4c6e-b4d8-e7d66ee218e7@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Jon,
>
> This is an off topic post so it doesn't need to talk about SW but it
> does need to stay on the subject. The topic was cross posting on
> comp.cad. solidworks. Since you seem to agree with the charter by
> referencing it, take note of the last paragraph please.
>
> Quote:
>
> Discussion on comparisons between SolidWorks and other CAD systems
> should
> be held in the most appropriate newsgroup.  Messages should be posted
> in
> a professional, polite manner as to not purposely offend or insult
> another person.
>
> I think most would agree that your response in this thread was neither
> professional nor polite and was purposely offensive and insulting to
> another member of this group.
>
> CAN WE SEE A SHOW OF HANDS ON THIS?
> (agree)
> (disagree)
>
> TOP