If you have already installed two SPs to SolidWorks and have successfully
downloaded the Windows Hotfix and installed SP1.1, please be kind and share
how you reached your success.

IMHO, this is a complete unnecessary pain in the ass.

Step 1. Call the MS number SW provides. Fish my way thru MS support and was 
given a different number to call for
Hotfixes, which of course, was not the number SolidWorks listed. After a
long time holding and repeating my name, email address, phone number, hotfix
I was calling about several times (despite them telling me all that info was
"in the system".) I finally get the Hotfix zip.exe file.

Step 2. Open Hot fix zip.exe file. It gives me two .exe files. One of which 
is a little program that runs and apparently patches
things. The other file self-expands and puts a msi.pdb file in a strange
folder. No instructions. I search for .pdb files on my computer with no such 
luck of replacing one. I reboot.

Step 3. Begin installing my SW 1.0-1.1 patch. I get some strange (1603-0) 
error from the SW installer and guess what: msiexec.exe crashes. Imagine 
that.

Apparently I did something wrong and the installer isn't patch correctly. I 
guess this means installing from scratch, downloading 0.0-1.1 and praying 
that SolidQuirks has the Spanish help file corrected by now.

BTW- What's the reasoning behind the 1.1 release so soon after 1.0? 

Was 1.0 actually released?  I thought it was put out as a release
candidate for broader testing and then quickly pulled back.

It was on EV for a long time, but was officially released recently. I have 
the 1.0 official release running now, but trying to install 1.1 is a PITA.

"Matthew" <matthew.a.beck@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1108483285.743367.160990@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Was 1.0 actually released?  I thought it was put out as a release
> candidate for broader testing and then quickly pulled back.
> 

On 2005-02-15 16:58:01 +0100, "Jeff N" 
<REMOVEjbn_designsCAPS@hotmail.com> said:

> ep 2. Open Hot fix zip.exe file. It gives me two .exe files. One of 
> which is a little program that runs and apparently patches
> things. The other file self-expands and puts a msi.pdb file in a strange
> folder. No instructions. I search for .pdb files on my computer with no 
> such luck of replacing one. I reboot.

I also had an equally frustrating time.... And I also do not know what 
that file is. If it is useful it is certainly not installed unless the 
other exe installs it automatically. I have not had any apparent 
serious issues, but would live to know if that is important. Why they 
cannot include a two line read my to explain is beyond me.

Daniel

 Note The Windowsxp-kb893048-x86-enu.exe file is the hotfix installer. The 
Windowsxp-kb893048-x86-symbols-enu.exe file is the installer for the hotfix 
symbol file that is named Msi.pdb. You do not have to install the 
Windowsxp-kb893048-x86-symbols-enu.exe file

Apparently you don't need this file.

I ran the hotfix again and rebooted. I got to insert the 2nd CD during the 
update and got another error. Strange thing is that SW icons and the 
Help>About state SP01.1. So I don't know if it's properly patched or not.

I would go back to 0.0 and start over, but I fear I may not be able to pach 
0.0 now either.

"daniel" <infoREMOVE@THISgratiotdesign.com> wrote in message 
news:42121f02_3@news.bluewin.ch...
> On 2005-02-15 16:58:01 +0100, "Jeff N" <REMOVEjbn_designsCAPS@hotmail.com> 
> said:
>
>> ep 2. Open Hot fix zip.exe file. It gives me two .exe files. One of which 
>> is a little program that runs and apparently patches
>> things. The other file self-expands and puts a msi.pdb file in a strange
>> folder. No instructions. I search for .pdb files on my computer with no 
>> such luck of replacing one. I reboot.
>
> I also had an equally frustrating time.... And I also do not know what 
> that file is. If it is useful it is certainly not installed unless the 
> other exe installs it automatically. I have not had any apparent serious 
> issues, but would live to know if that is important. Why they cannot 
> include a two line read my to explain is beyond me.
>
> Daniel
> 

"Jeff N" wrote:

> Apparently I did something wrong and the installer isn't patch correctly. 
> I guess this means installing from scratch, downloading 0.0-1.1 and 
> praying that SolidQuirks has the Spanish help file corrected by now.

A tip that's saved my sorry ass in the past:  Get Norton Ghost.

Before installing any major SP --whether Windows or an important 
application-- clone or backup your system drive.  Then you can experiment 
away and laugh at just how well some of these SP's manage to mangle systems 
rather than improve them.

If anything goes wrong you can restore your entire system back to where it 
was prior to any patches being applied.  It takes minutes rather than days. 
If starting from scratch and using the conventional raw install approach, it 
takes me about two weeks to reload and configure OS and applications on my 
main development machine.  I learned my lesson after having to endure a 
couple of complete system rebuilds the hard way.  Now all our development 
machines get their system drives "ghosted" regularly to an external USB 
backup drive.  You can literally roll back any machine to any one of these 
real "restore points" with relative ease, over lunch...and you can even go 
out for lunch!!!

-Martin 

I understand the roll back before an installation being an advantage but
what about once your system is just buggy and even the baackup you have is
buggy. Because when you backup prior to that installation you didnt realize
you already had a glitch in windows somewhere. Seriously I am not being a
smart ass I am just wondering because I think it is a good idea but not sure
how to make it work. \

Do you keep a backup of your system from when you first installed windows
and had all the necessary core software like SolidWorks etc. So then if you
roll back to this state you have to remeber to apply everything as far as
patches etc. How many backup versions do you keep? I suppose that it still
saves time.





"Martin" <0_0_0_0_@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:%kqQd.4907$aW6.864@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
> "Jeff N" wrote:
>
> > Apparently I did something wrong and the installer isn't patch
correctly.
> > I guess this means installing from scratch, downloading 0.0-1.1 and
> > praying that SolidQuirks has the Spanish help file corrected by now.
>
> A tip that's saved my sorry ass in the past:  Get Norton Ghost.
>
> Before installing any major SP --whether Windows or an important
> application-- clone or backup your system drive.  Then you can experiment
> away and laugh at just how well some of these SP's manage to mangle
systems
> rather than improve them.
>
> If anything goes wrong you can restore your entire system back to where it
> was prior to any patches being applied.  It takes minutes rather than
days.
> If starting from scratch and using the conventional raw install approach,
it
> takes me about two weeks to reload and configure OS and applications on my
> main development machine.  I learned my lesson after having to endure a
> couple of complete system rebuilds the hard way.  Now all our development
> machines get their system drives "ghosted" regularly to an external USB
> backup drive.  You can literally roll back any machine to any one of these
> real "restore points" with relative ease, over lunch...and you can even go
> out for lunch!!!
>
> -Martin
>
>

Mike Grant wrote:

>I understand the roll back before an installation being an advantage but
> what about once your system is just buggy and even the baackup you have is
> buggy.
....
> Do you keep a backup of your system from when you first installed windows
> and had all the necessary core software like SolidWorks etc. So then if 
> you
> roll back to this state you have to remeber to apply everything as far as
> patches etc. How many backup versions do you keep? I suppose that it still
> saves time.

Valid points.

First a philosophy:  Disk space is cheap.  Data loss or system failures 
leading to rebuilds are expensive.

Today, about US$1 per GB.  Just saw some 400GB drives for under $400.  Being 
that a nicely loaded system drive backup might be about 10GB (with mild 
compression, less if using more compression), you can keep lots of backup on 
an external (or internal) drive to be used only for that purpose.

It is, of course, important to know that your system is healthy.  When I 
build a new machine I do so without any connection to the network.  Tried 
and proven services packs (whether OS or application) are all burned to CDs 
and have been fully virus-scanned prior to be placed in the engineering 
library drive.

Before any application is installed I like to install the virus checking and 
firewall software.  I used to use Symantec but stopped because we had a case 
of both anti-virus and firewall shutting down without announcement on a 
notebook.  That machine stayed on the network for about a week before we 
noticed that it had been completely trashed by a virus.  So, although I 
highly recommend Symantec Ghost, after many, many years of using their AV 
software I now stay away from it.  Currently using McAfee.

Anyhow, depending on the machine, we might do a ghost backup immediately 
after the OS and basic apps are up and running.

Then, of course, all the apps and patches are installed.  Depending on what 
you know about them you go as far and wide as you want and then do another 
backup.  That's your "base configuration".

Beyond that, it's up to you how you want to manage it.  I never keep data on 
the system drive.  Every machine has two drives.  Data files are kept on the 
second drive.  The system drive can shred itself to pieces for all I care, 
no valuable data will be lost.

Since ghosting a drive is so simple, you could consider doing it on a weekly 
basis.  Like I said, over lunch or overnight.  It truly is up to you just 
how far you want to take it.  Ghost will do incremental backups, but I just 
don't like the idea.

Oh, yes, then there's the backup of a backup question.  For that I refer you 
to the start of this post:  Disk space is cheap.  Get another 400GB drive 
for secondary backup.  Disconnect and turn off when not backing-up or 
restoring.

-Martin

This isn't hotfix KB891781 is it?  I just got an email from CoffeeCup 
saying that it will break many applications that use IE.

Jeff N wrote:

> If you have already installed two SPs to SolidWorks and have successfully
> downloaded the Windows Hotfix and installed SP1.1, please be kind and share
> how you reached your success.
> 
> IMHO, this is a complete unnecessary pain in the ass.
> 
> Step 1. Call the MS number SW provides. Fish my way thru MS support and was 
> given a different number to call for
> Hotfixes, which of course, was not the number SolidWorks listed. After a
> long time holding and repeating my name, email address, phone number, hotfix
> I was calling about several times (despite them telling me all that info was
> "in the system".) I finally get the Hotfix zip.exe file.
> 
> Step 2. Open Hot fix zip.exe file. It gives me two .exe files. One of which 
> is a little program that runs and apparently patches
> things. The other file self-expands and puts a msi.pdb file in a strange
> folder. No instructions. I search for .pdb files on my computer with no such 
> luck of replacing one. I reboot.
> 
> Step 3. Begin installing my SW 1.0-1.1 patch. I get some strange (1603-0) 
> error from the SW installer and guess what: msiexec.exe crashes. Imagine 
> that.
> 
> Apparently I did something wrong and the installer isn't patch correctly. I 
> guess this means installing from scratch, downloading 0.0-1.1 and praying 
> that SolidQuirks has the Spanish help file corrected by now.
> 
> BTW- What's the reasoning behind the 1.1 release so soon after 1.0? 
> 
> 

Jeff N wrote:
> Step 2. Open Hot fix zip.exe file. It gives me two .exe files. One of
which
> is a little program that runs and apparently patches
> things. The other file self-expands and puts a msi.pdb file in a
strange
> folder. No instructions. I search for .pdb files on my computer with
no such
> luck of replacing one. I reboot.

Just so everyone knows, the .pdb file is a debugging symbol database
file that is used for, well, debugging.  It's kind of odd that they
would supply this file.  It may have some use to people developing with
the Windows Installer trying to test their installer in debug mode, but
other than that it's pretty useless.

Jonathan Anderson

"Jeff N" <REMOVEjbn_designsCAPS@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:37ekfjF5b3mdoU1@individual.net...
> If you have already installed two SPs to SolidWorks and have successfully
> downloaded the Windows Hotfix and installed SP1.1, please be kind and 
> share
> how you reached your success.
>
> IMHO, this is a complete unnecessary pain in the ass.
>
> Step 1. Call the MS number SW provides. Fish my way thru MS support and 
> was given a different number to call for
> Hotfixes, which of course, was not the number SolidWorks listed. After a
> long time holding and repeating my name, email address, phone number, 
> hotfix
> I was calling about several times (despite them telling me all that info 
> was
> "in the system".) I finally get the Hotfix zip.exe file.
>
> Step 2. Open Hot fix zip.exe file. It gives me two .exe files. One of 
> which is a little program that runs and apparently patches
> things. The other file self-expands and puts a msi.pdb file in a strange
> folder. No instructions. I search for .pdb files on my computer with no 
> such luck of replacing one. I reboot.
>
> Step 3. Begin installing my SW 1.0-1.1 patch. I get some strange (1603-0) 
> error from the SW installer and guess what: msiexec.exe crashes. Imagine 
> that.
>
> Apparently I did something wrong and the installer isn't patch correctly. 
> I guess this means installing from scratch, downloading 0.0-1.1 and 
> praying that SolidQuirks has the Spanish help file corrected by now.
>
> BTW- What's the reasoning behind the 1.1 release so soon after 1.0?

Hello All
To save some people allot of time.
Here is what I got from Microsoft for XP Pro SP2. Copy and paste location 
into your Browser and download. The password changes to the alternate on 
2-16 and is good until 2-23. They advised to make a backup of everything(I 
didn't). After unzipping you get (2) files. Dble click the x86.enu .exe 
file, NOT the one with "symbols" in the name. After installing the hotfix, 
install the SWX SPwhatever as you normally would. I have done 2 machines (1) 
had 1.0ev (AMD64)and (1) had 0.1 (P-4 3.2gz)with no problems. I hope this is 
clear enough. Good luck

Mike Eckstein
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The hot fix for your issue has been packaged and placed on an HTTP site for 
you to download.

WARNING: This fix is not publicly available through the Microsoft website as 
it has not gone through full Microsoft regression testing.  If you would 
like confirmation that this fix is designed to address your specific 
problem, or if you would like to confirm whether there are any special 
compatibility or installation issues associated with this fix, you are 
encouraged to speak to a Support Professional in Product Support Services.

The package is password protected so be sure to enter the appropriate 
password for each package.  To ensure the right password is provided cut and 
paste the password from this mail.

NOTE: Passwords expire every 7 days so download the package within that 
period to insure you can extract the files.  If you receive two passwords it 
means you are receiving the fix during a password change cycle.  Use the 
second password if you download after the indicated password change date.

Package:
-----------------------------------------------------------
KB Article Number(s): 893048
Language: English
Platform: i386
Location:( 
http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%20XP/sp3/Fix150701/2600/free/218409_ENU_i386_zip.exe )
Password: QDBO!@p
Password Changes On: 02/16/2005
Next Password: dzYF+!Q

NOTE: Be sure to include all text between '(' and  ')' when navigating to 
this hot fix location!

Thanks!

I actually have a copy of SP1.0.  I don't have the Spanish help though.

Michael Eckstein wrote:

> "Jeff N" <REMOVEjbn_designsCAPS@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:37ekfjF5b3mdoU1@individual.net...
> 
>>If you have already installed two SPs to SolidWorks and have successfully
>>downloaded the Windows Hotfix and installed SP1.1, please be kind and 
>>share
>>how you reached your success.
>>
>>IMHO, this is a complete unnecessary pain in the ass.
>>
>>Step 1. Call the MS number SW provides. Fish my way thru MS support and 
>>was given a different number to call for
>>Hotfixes, which of course, was not the number SolidWorks listed. After a
>>long time holding and repeating my name, email address, phone number, 
>>hotfix
>>I was calling about several times (despite them telling me all that info 
>>was
>>"in the system".) I finally get the Hotfix zip.exe file.
>>
>>Step 2. Open Hot fix zip.exe file. It gives me two .exe files. One of 
>>which is a little program that runs and apparently patches
>>things. The other file self-expands and puts a msi.pdb file in a strange
>>folder. No instructions. I search for .pdb files on my computer with no 
>>such luck of replacing one. I reboot.
>>
>>Step 3. Begin installing my SW 1.0-1.1 patch. I get some strange (1603-0) 
>>error from the SW installer and guess what: msiexec.exe crashes. Imagine 
>>that.
>>
>>Apparently I did something wrong and the installer isn't patch correctly. 
>>I guess this means installing from scratch, downloading 0.0-1.1 and 
>>praying that SolidQuirks has the Spanish help file corrected by now.
>>
>>BTW- What's the reasoning behind the 1.1 release so soon after 1.0?
> 
> 
> Hello All
> To save some people allot of time.
> Here is what I got from Microsoft for XP Pro SP2. Copy and paste location 
> into your Browser and download. The password changes to the alternate on 
> 2-16 and is good until 2-23. They advised to make a backup of everything(I 
> didn't). After unzipping you get (2) files. Dble click the x86.enu .exe 
> file, NOT the one with "symbols" in the name. After installing the hotfix, 
> install the SWX SPwhatever as you normally would. I have done 2 machines (1) 
> had 1.0ev (AMD64)and (1) had 0.1 (P-4 3.2gz)with no problems. I hope this is 
> clear enough. Good luck
> 
> Mike Eckstein
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The hot fix for your issue has been packaged and placed on an HTTP site for 
> you to download.
> 
> WARNING: This fix is not publicly available through the Microsoft website as 
> it has not gone through full Microsoft regression testing.  If you would 
> like confirmation that this fix is designed to address your specific 
> problem, or if you would like to confirm whether there are any special 
> compatibility or installation issues associated with this fix, you are 
> encouraged to speak to a Support Professional in Product Support Services.
> 
> The package is password protected so be sure to enter the appropriate 
> password for each package.  To ensure the right password is provided cut and 
> paste the password from this mail.
> 
> NOTE: Passwords expire every 7 days so download the package within that 
> period to insure you can extract the files.  If you receive two passwords it 
> means you are receiving the fix during a password change cycle.  Use the 
> second password if you download after the indicated password change date.
> 
> Package:
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> KB Article Number(s): 893048
> Language: English
> Platform: i386
> Location:( 
> http://hotfixv4.microsoft.com/Windows%20XP/sp3/Fix150701/2600/free/218409_ENU_i386_zip.exe )
> Password: QDBO!@p
> Password Changes On: 02/16/2005
> Next Password: dzYF+!Q
> 
> NOTE: Be sure to include all text between '(' and  ')' when navigating to 
> this hot fix location!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 

What a MESS! Thank you Michael Eckstein, for your help. No wonder SW 
just provided the phone number!


ca

WHAT is the Password?

OU812

"edward_yan" <yzh86@vip.163.com> wrote in message 
news:6ff812b59fbcf4db84900d8e4c96e4c5@localhost.talkaboutcad.com...
> WHAT is the Password?
> 

In article <6ff812b59fbcf4db84900d8e4c96e4c5@localhost.talkaboutcad.com>,
 yzh86@vip.163.com says...
> WHAT is the Password?
> 
> 
WHAT is the second baseman.
WHO's on first.

"Art Woodbury" <no_spam@munged_address.com> wrote in message 
news:MPG.1e9398d8dad06060989695@news.giganews.com...
> In article <6ff812b59fbcf4db84900d8e4c96e4c5@localhost.talkaboutcad.com>,
> yzh86@vip.163.com says...
>> WHAT is the Password?
>>
>>
> WHAT is the second baseman.
> WHO's on first.

Oh, then I must be on third.

Jerry Steiger
Tripod Data Systems
"take the garbage out, dear" 

In article <492qrbFmf1ajU1@individual.net>, jerrys@tdsway.garbage.com says...
> "Art Woodbury" <no_spam@munged_address.com> wrote in message 
> news:MPG.1e9398d8dad06060989695@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <6ff812b59fbcf4db84900d8e4c96e4c5@localhost.talkaboutcad.com>,
> > yzh86@vip.163.com says...
> >> WHAT is the Password?
> >>
> >>
> > WHAT is the second baseman.
> > WHO's on first.
> 
> Oh, then I must be on third.
> 
> Jerry Steiger
> Tripod Data Systems
> "take the garbage out, dear" 
> 
Not unless your name is "I don't know". See: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml

Better still, listen to or watch Abbott & Costello performing the sketch --- much funnier 
than the text.

Art

"Art Woodbury" <no_spam@munged_address.com> wrote in message 
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> In article <492qrbFmf1ajU1@individual.net>, jerrys@tdsway.garbage.com 
> says...
>> "Art Woodbury" <no_spam@munged_address.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1e9398d8dad06060989695@news.giganews.com...
>> > In article 
>> > <6ff812b59fbcf4db84900d8e4c96e4c5@localhost.talkaboutcad.com>,
>> > yzh86@vip.163.com says...
>> >> WHAT is the Password?
>> >>
>> >>
>> > WHAT is the second baseman.
>> > WHO's on first.
>>
>> Oh, then I must be on third.
>>
> Not unless your name is "I don't know". See: 
> http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor4.shtml


That's why I figured that I must be on third, because I don't know.

Jerry Steiger
Tripod Data Systems
"take the garbage out, dear"