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RE: [Maybe spam] Re: Relation of OS user to Informix database #2

You can only revoke a privilege that exists explicitly and you are the 
GRANTOR, if a user's rights are part of "public" then you cannot prevent the 
access unless you revoke connection privileges from public



Regards

Colin

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>From: "Gosney Simon" <GosneyS@axxia.com>
>To: "Jonathan Leffler" <jleffler@earthlink.net>, <informix-list@iiug.org>
>Subject: RE: [Maybe spam] Re: Relation of OS user to Informix database  
>user
>Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:48:31 +0100
>
>Jonathan... am I correct in thinking that you can't revoke rights from a
>user who has those rights because they're a member of public?
>
>Ie, if they don't have the rights assigned with an explicit GRANT
>statement, then you can't revoke their rights without revoking public's
>rights and then granting permissions to all other users individually?
>
>Cheers
>
>Simon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org]
>On Behalf Of Jonathan Leffler
>Sent: 25 August 2005 05:24
>To: informix-list@iiug.org
>Subject: [Maybe spam] Re: Relation of OS user to Informix database user
>
>anupam.mukherjee@gmail.com wrote:
> > I had just installed Informix Advanced Server version 10.0 for
> > Windows and was checking out the security features. I created two
> > operating system users, say A and B, gave both GRANT CONNECT and GRANT
> > RESOURCE permissions from the informix DBA user.
>
>First suggestion - don't make user 'informix' the DBA; the user already
>has an incredible amount of power (it's God w.r.t IDS).  However, this
>wasn't a factor in your observations.
>
>When you created the database, was a MODE ANSI database, or a logged or
>an unlogged database.  I am 95% sure it wasn't MODE ANSI...
>
> > Now, I could access
> > the entire database, including both A and B's tables by logging in as
> > either of the users.
>
>Yes.  By default, in a non-ANSI database, public is given access
>permission on all tables automatically, unless you have NODEFDAC set
>correctly in the environment when the tables are created.  So,
>regardless of which user (A, B, or any other user C), what you saw is
>expected behaviour.  In a MODE ANSI database, no public access is given
>by default - one of the reasons I'm fairly sure you're not using such a
>database.
>
> > I tried connecting as A from dbaccess and doing a
> > REVOKE SELECT ON TABLE T FROM B. This gave an error saying no record
>in
> > ISAM and Unable to revoke permissions.
>
>Only DBAs can revoke permissions on behalf of other users.  Since A is
>only resource-level user, A can only revoke permission that they've
>granted.  The permission should not have been removed.
>
> > It however allowed me to do a
> > GRANT SELECT ON TABLE T TO B.
>
>Possibly - but did it actually add anything to the systabauth table?  If
>
>you read the GRANT manual pages carefully, there appears to be a
>loophole such that a GRANT statement might execute 'OK' without granting
>
>the permissions.
>
> > This did not change a thing since B could
> > already access A's tables. So I did a REVOKE SELECT ON TABLE T FROM B.
>
>Since A doesn't own the table, and A is not a DBA (just resource), this
>should not achieve anything.
>
> > Next, I actually logged out and logged back in as B and still,
> > inexplicably enough, I was able to see A's tables easily enough.
>
>Since the table owner didn't do the revoking, and the DBA didn't do the
>revoking, nothing was revoked.
>
> > Any
> > explanations would be most welcome as I have been struggling to get
> > this working for sometime now.
>
>You can't revoke permissions you don't have permission to revoke.
>
> >    Also any pointers to the relation of Informix's users to the
> > operating system level users would be welcome.
>
>There's a one-to-one correspondence between Informix users and O/S
>users.
>
>--
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