Hi,

My wife just got a new Windows 7 laptop.  We need Access 2003 on it.
She also wants Office 2007 installed in addition to Office 2003.  When
I get a new PC, I will want Access 2003, and Office/Access 2010.

Do I first install the more recent version(s) then I install Access
and Office 2003 aftewords or does it not matter.

Thanks,

-paulw

The preferable option is to install them in order of their release. Make 
sure you install then into completely different directories, and that all 
service packs and updates are installed first.
-- 
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.accessmvp.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
Co-author: "Access Solutions", published by Wiley


"PW" <emailaddyinsig@ifIremember.com> wrote in message 
news:ir2nb61ocfa4bgca6fulnae34qtbm1bl0h@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> My wife just got a new Windows 7 laptop.  We need Access 2003 on it.
> She also wants Office 2007 installed in addition to Office 2003.  When
> I get a new PC, I will want Access 2003, and Office/Access 2010.
>
> Do I first install the more recent version(s) then I install Access
> and Office 2003 aftewords or does it not matter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -paulw 

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:57:18 -0400, "Arvin Meyer" <arvinm@invalid.org>
wrote:

>The preferable option is to install them in order of their release. Make 
>sure you install then into completely different directories, and that all 
>service packs and updates are installed first.


Thanks Arvin.  Will do.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:57:18 -0400, "Arvin Meyer" <arvinm@invalid.org>
wrote:

>The preferable option is to install them in order of their release. Make 
>sure you install then into completely different directories, and that all 
>service packs and updates are installed first.


But I remember being at a client last year and I need Office 2007 to
test some automation programs I wrote (not in Access) for Excel and
the only way the IT guy could get Office 2007 working was to uninstall
Office 2003, install 2007 then reinstall 2003 (and it worked).

That is why I am asking.

-paulw

On Oct 18, 12:04=A0pm, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote:

> But I remember being at a client last year and I need Office 2007 to
> test some automation programs I wrote (not in Access) for Excel and
> the only way the IT guy could get Office 2007 working was to uninstall
> Office 2003, install 2007 then reinstall 2003 (and it worked).
>
> That is why I am asking.
>
> -paulw

I have 4 versions of Access on my machine and have had multiple
versions for many years.  The method of installation that Arvin
describes it the way it should be done.

I'm not sure what caused the problem you have described, but I've
never experienced it.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:00:35 -0700 (PDT), Wayne
<cqdigital@volcanomail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 12:04�pm, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote:
>
>> But I remember being at a client last year and I need Office 2007 to
>> test some automation programs I wrote (not in Access) for Excel and
>> the only way the IT guy could get Office 2007 working was to uninstall
>> Office 2003, install 2007 then reinstall 2003 (and it worked).
>>
>> That is why I am asking.
>>
>> -paulw
>
>I have 4 versions of Access on my machine and have had multiple
>versions for many years.  The method of installation that Arvin
>describes it the way it should be done.
>
>I'm not sure what caused the problem you have described, but I've
>never experienced it.

Thanks Wayne!

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:52:54 -0600, PW
<emailaddyinsig@ifIremember.com> wrote:
  
>Do I first install the more recent version(s) then I install Access
>and Office 2003 aftewords or does it not matter.

It does not at all matter.  See my blog posting for details but Arvin
covered most of the potential problems.

You *CAN* install Access versions in whatever order you want.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/archive/2010/09/29/you-can-install-access-versions-in-whatever-order-you-want.aspx

Tony
-- 
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files 
  updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/

"Arvin Meyer" <arvinm@invalid.org> wrote in
news:ub2dnQFqSbP7BibRnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@earthlink.com: 

> The preferable option is to install them in order of their
> release. Make sure you install then into completely different
> directories, and that all service packs and updates are installed
> first. 

1. They don't need to be installed in version order.

2. From A2000 on, you don't need to install in separate directories,
as Office installs itself in subfolders of the main Microsoft Office
directory. 

For installing service packs and updates, you should run Windows
Update, which for A2002 on, will take care of all of it for you. For
2000 and before, you need to apply the updates yourself. 

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

Wayne <cqdigital@volcanomail.com> wrote in
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: 

> On Oct 18, 12:04�pm, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote:
> 
>> But I remember being at a client last year and I need Office 2007
>> to test some automation programs I wrote (not in Access) for
>> Excel and the only way the IT guy could get Office 2007 working
>> was to uninstall Office 2003, install 2007 then reinstall 2003
>> (and it worked). 
>>
>> That is why I am asking.
> 
> I have 4 versions of Access on my machine and have had multiple
> versions for many years.  The method of installation that Arvin
> describes it the way it should be done.

I have multiple versions of Office and Access installed on this PC
and they were definitely NOT installed in version order. 

And all but one is installed in the same folder.

Both of those pieces of advice that Arvin gave are myths. Any
problems encountered are not caused by either of those things (i.e.,
installing out of version order or installing in the same folder). 

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:fa1ob65pe4k39487mh7sl14htqrlh0jfe7@4ax.com: 

> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:52:54 -0600, PW
><emailaddyinsig@ifIremember.com> wrote:
>   
>>Do I first install the more recent version(s) then I install
>>Access and Office 2003 aftewords or does it not matter.
> 
> It does not at all matter.  See my blog posting for details but
> Arvin covered most of the potential problems.
> 
> You *CAN* install Access versions in whatever order you want.
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/archive/2010/09/29/you-can-install-a
> ccess-versions-in-whatever-order-you-want.aspx 

It's also the case that from Office 2000 on, you can use the same
base installation folder. 

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

"David-W-Fenton" <NoEmail@SeeSignature.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Wayne <cqdigital@volcanomail.com> wrote in
> news:a303621d-5509-46fe-880a-851a069ae086@x7g2000prj.googlegroups.com
> :
>
>> On Oct 18, 12:04 pm, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But I remember being at a client last year and I need Office 2007
>>> to test some automation programs I wrote (not in Access) for
>>> Excel and the only way the IT guy could get Office 2007 working
>>> was to uninstall Office 2003, install 2007 then reinstall 2003
>>> (and it worked).
>>>
>>> That is why I am asking.
>>
>> I have 4 versions of Access on my machine and have had multiple
>> versions for many years.  The method of installation that Arvin
>> describes it the way it should be done.
>
> I have multiple versions of Office and Access installed on this PC
> and they were definitely NOT installed in version order.
>
> And all but one is installed in the same folder.
>
> Both of those pieces of advice that Arvin gave are myths. Any
> problems encountered are not caused by either of those things (i.e.,
> installing out of version order or installing in the same folder).

Actually, the reason for installing them in order is so that older files 
with the same name have no possibility of overwriting newer ones. That is 
also the same reason to install in different folders. Besides the 
possibility of filename overwriting, the reason for different folders is to 
assure proper registry entries. The fact that you were able to do it 
successfully is like having sex without protection. You may, or may not get 
away unscathed. YMMV.
-- 
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.accessmvp.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
Co-author: "Access Solutions", published by Wiley 

On 18 Oct 2010 22:55:04 GMT, "David-W-Fenton"
<NoEmail@SeeSignature.invalid> wrote:
  
>It's also the case that from Office 2000 on, you can use the same
>base installation folder. 

Yes, I've noticed that there are different folders but I haven't felt
comfortable testing that.  Maybe I will on my next laptop.

Tony
-- 
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files 
  updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/

"Arvin Meyer" <arvinm@invalid.org> wrote in
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> 
> "David-W-Fenton" <NoEmail@SeeSignature.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:Xns9E15C057AAA4Cf99a49ed1d0c49c5bbb2@74.209.136.98...
>> Wayne <cqdigital@volcanomail.com> wrote in
>> news:a303621d-5509-46fe-880a-851a069ae086@x7g2000prj.googlegroups.
>> com 
>> :
>>
>>> On Oct 18, 12:04 pm, PW <emailaddyin...@ifIremember.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But I remember being at a client last year and I need Office
>>>> 2007 to test some automation programs I wrote (not in Access)
>>>> for Excel and the only way the IT guy could get Office 2007
>>>> working was to uninstall Office 2003, install 2007 then
>>>> reinstall 2003 (and it worked).
>>>>
>>>> That is why I am asking.
>>>
>>> I have 4 versions of Access on my machine and have had multiple
>>> versions for many years.  The method of installation that Arvin
>>> describes it the way it should be done.
>>
>> I have multiple versions of Office and Access installed on this
>> PC and they were definitely NOT installed in version order.
>>
>> And all but one is installed in the same folder.
>>
>> Both of those pieces of advice that Arvin gave are myths. Any
>> problems encountered are not caused by either of those things
>> (i.e., installing out of version order or installing in the same
>> folder). 
> 
> Actually, the reason for installing them in order is so that older
> files with the same name have no possibility of overwriting newer
> ones. 

For Jet, this is irrelevant, as Jet's files are managed by the OS
(as has been the case since Windows 2000). 

I don't know about DAO, though. I would expect it to be managed with
Jet by the OS, but can't say for sure. 

For all the other files, they aren't shared, so there's nothing to
worry about. 

> That is 
> also the same reason to install in different folders. 

This is just WRONG.

If you use the default setup, C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\
none of the versions of Office from 2000 on will step on each
other's files, because they all install themselves in a subfolder
inside that folder. 

Versions before 2000 are another animal, and need to be installed in
their own top-level folder (though presumably, you could install
them in a subfolder of C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\ , but I
wouldn't recommend that). 

> Besides the 
> possibility of filename overwriting, 

....of which there is none at all.

> ...the reason for different folders is to 
> assure proper registry entries. 

Huh? What are you talking about? The registry keys are ALSO
independent for each version of Office, except for whichever version
is the currently registered version. 

> The fact that you were able to do it 
> successfully is like having sex without protection. You may, or
> may not get away unscathed. YMMV.

Arvin, you are simply WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

You're practicing computer voodoo, waving your handings and saying
incantations, instead of investigating how things actually work. 

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:f13sb6dq8latcgqqajmeq34l3qb7vkg463@4ax.com: 

> On 18 Oct 2010 22:55:04 GMT, "David-W-Fenton"
><NoEmail@SeeSignature.invalid> wrote:
>   
>>It's also the case that from Office 2000 on, you can use the same
>>base installation folder. 
> 
> Yes, I've noticed that there are different folders but I haven't
> felt comfortable testing that.  Maybe I will on my next laptop.

I have three machines running with that configuration, running
various combinations of A2000, A2003, A2007 and A2010. All also have
A97 installed in a completely different folder. 

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

David-W-Fenton wrote:
>"Arvin Meyer"  wrote
[chop]
>> Actually, the reason for installing them in order is so that older
>> files with the same name have no possibility of overwriting newer
>> ones. 
[snip]
>> That is also the same reason to install in different folders. 
[snip]
>If you use the default setup, C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\
>none of the versions of Office from 2000 on will step on each
>other's files, because they all install themselves in a subfolder
>inside that folder. 
[snip]
>
>> Besides the 
>> possibility of filename overwriting, 
>
>...of which there is none at all.
[chop]

It seems like you guys are in violent agreement about
different folders.  David is saying different folders in a
common base folder and Arvin is saying different folders
regardless of the folder heirarchy.

--
Marsh

On 18 Oct 2010 22:55:04 GMT, "David-W-Fenton"
<NoEmail@SeeSignature.invalid> wrote:
  
>It's also the case that from Office 2000 on, you can use the same
>base installation folder. 

Just poking about in my Program Files folder.  I do see where A2000 is
installed in Office, A2003 is installed in OFFICE11 and A2007 is
installed in Office12 folders.

My only minor concern would be the Templates folder.   I don't use
those of course but it looks like in 2000 and 2003 they are a common
folder.

So yes, installing versions 2000 and newer into the default Microsoft
Office folder would owkr for most people.

Tony
-- 
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files 
  updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/

On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 02:30:55 -0600, Tony Toews
<ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:52:54 -0600, PW
><emailaddyinsig@ifIremember.com> wrote:
>  
>>Do I first install the more recent version(s) then I install Access
>>and Office 2003 aftewords or does it not matter.
>
>It does not at all matter.  See my blog posting for details but Arvin
>covered most of the potential problems.
>
>You *CAN* install Access versions in whatever order you want.
>http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/archive/2010/09/29/you-can-install-access-versions-in-whatever-order-you-want.aspx
>
>Tony

I installed just Access 2003 on my wife's new laptop and then the
entire Office 2007 suite and no problems!  Thanks guys.

-paulw

Marshall Barton <marshbarton@wowway.com> wrote in
news:88utb6hef221nrposmkjmfca1b8901674k@4ax.com: 

> David-W-Fenton wrote:
>>"Arvin Meyer"  wrote
> [chop]
>>> Actually, the reason for installing them in order is so that
>>> older files with the same name have no possibility of
>>> overwriting newer ones. 
> [snip]
>>> That is also the same reason to install in different folders. 
> [snip]
>>If you use the default setup, C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\
>>none of the versions of Office from 2000 on will step on each
>>other's files, because they all install themselves in a subfolder
>>inside that folder. 
> [snip]
>>
>>> Besides the 
>>> possibility of filename overwriting, 
>>
>>...of which there is none at all.
> [chop]
> 
> It seems like you guys are in violent agreement about
> different folders.  David is saying different folders in a
> common base folder and Arvin is saying different folders
> regardless of the folder heirarchy.

But you don't have to do anything with the default installation of
Office 2000 on to get it installed in different subfolders. 

I read Arvin's advice as meaning that you have to put the different
versions of Office in different subfolders of your programs folder,
e.g.: 

  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office 2000\
  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office 2003\
  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office 2007\

I'm saying that if you accept the default installation location for
all three of them: 

  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\

....you'll have no problems, because the installer takes care of
segregating the files. 

Thus, there is no reason for the user worrying about which folder
they are installed in. 

Thus, we are NOT in agreement. If we were, Arvin wouldn't need to
offer the advice to install in different folders, since in the terms
that I'm speaking, you don't have to take any action for that to
happen. He's recommending something other than the default
installation location, and saying it's necessary because files will
be overwritten by different versions. I'm pointing out that there is
no way to make the Office installer overwrite the files of a
previous version (except if you let it *remove* the previous
version, which is not the same as overwriting it). 

So, Arvin's advice and his justification for it in regard to
installation location is simply wrong, and it's not at all in
agreement with what I've said. 

In short, no, we're not in agreement at all.

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

David-W-Fenton wrote:

>Marshall Barton <marshbarton@wowway.com> wrote
>
>> David-W-Fenton wrote:
>>>"Arvin Meyer"  wrote
>> [chop]
>>>> Actually, the reason for installing them in order is so that
>>>> older files with the same name have no possibility of
>>>> overwriting newer ones. 
>> [snip]
>>>> That is also the same reason to install in different folders. 
>> [snip]
>>>If you use the default setup, C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\
>>>none of the versions of Office from 2000 on will step on each
>>>other's files, because they all install themselves in a subfolder
>>>inside that folder. 
>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Besides the 
>>>> possibility of filename overwriting, 
>>>
>>>...of which there is none at all.
>> [chop]
>> 
>> It seems like you guys are in violent agreement about
>> different folders.  David is saying different folders in a
>> common base folder and Arvin is saying different folders
>> regardless of the folder heirarchy.
>
>But you don't have to do anything with the default installation of
>Office 2000 on to get it installed in different subfolders. 
>
>I read Arvin's advice as meaning that you have to put the different
>versions of Office in different subfolders of your programs folder,
>e.g.: 
>
>  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office 2000\
>  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office 2003\
>  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office 2007\
>
>I'm saying that if you accept the default installation location for
>all three of them: 
>
>  C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\
>
>...you'll have no problems, because the installer takes care of
>segregating the files. 
>
>Thus, there is no reason for the user worrying about which folder
>they are installed in. 
>
>Thus, we are NOT in agreement. If we were, Arvin wouldn't need to
>offer the advice to install in different folders, since in the terms
>that I'm speaking, you don't have to take any action for that to
>happen. He's recommending something other than the default
>installation location, and saying it's necessary because files will
>be overwritten by different versions. I'm pointing out that there is
>no way to make the Office installer overwrite the files of a
>previous version (except if you let it *remove* the previous
>version, which is not the same as overwriting it). 
>
>So, Arvin's advice and his justification for it in regard to
>installation location is simply wrong, and it's not at all in
>agreement with what I've said. 
>
>In short, no, we're not in agreement at all.


Well, Arvin's advice may be redundant, but I'm not going to
disagree with either of you since either way will work.

--
Marsh

Tony Toews <ttoews@telusplanet.net> wrote in
news:krqub6dr1rk09rvdms430sae6j88irmh15@4ax.com: 

> On 18 Oct 2010 22:55:04 GMT, "David-W-Fenton"
><NoEmail@SeeSignature.invalid> wrote:
>   
>>It's also the case that from Office 2000 on, you can use the same
>>base installation folder. 
> 
> Just poking about in my Program Files folder.  I do see where
> A2000 is installed in Office, A2003 is installed in OFFICE11 and
> A2007 is installed in Office12 folders.
> 
> My only minor concern would be the Templates folder.   I don't use
> those of course but it looks like in 2000 and 2003 they are a
> common folder.

They should be in the user profile for 2003. I'm not sure if 2002
did that or not (I didn't use it enough to notice). 

> So yes, installing versions 2000 and newer into the default
> Microsoft Office folder would owkr for most people.

And it does.

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

Marshall Barton <marshbarton@wowway.com> wrote in
news:loa1c6tialmieuf3sa24qu8scbab0r9ml9@4ax.com: 

> Well, Arvin's advice may be redundant, but I'm not going to
> disagree with either of you since either way will work.

Whatever problems there may be with installing multiple versions
will not be affected by installing in multiple folders, so I think
it's actively harmful for anyone to give that advice. 

It's also based on a mistaken impression of how the Office
installers work, so it's promulgating factually incorrect
information. 

-- 
David W. Fenton                  http://www.dfenton.com/ 
contact via website only     http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/