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Tab order on multirow tab control

Is there a way to stop the default action of a multirow tab control
whereby the row with focus moves to the front of the tabs?  I find this
behaviour annoying and confusing to the user and am at a loss as to why
MS has designed their tab controls like this.

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cqdigital (532)
12/30/2004 11:03:44 PM
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Wayne wrote:
> Is there a way to stop the default action of a multirow tab control
> whereby the row with focus moves to the front of the tabs?  I find
> this behaviour annoying and confusing to the user and am at a loss as
> to why MS has designed their tab controls like this.

ALL multi-row tabs act this way.  How else can you identify the active tab 
except by moving it to the front?

Try the Buttons format instead of the Tabs format.  The buttons don't move.

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rickbrandt2 (2458)
12/30/2004 11:10:06 PM
Rick, I guess I hadn't thought about the fact that the tab needs to
move to the front row as you have explained.  Maybe it would be more
intuitive to the user to highlight the tab by having its text go bold
when selected instead of changing the tab row order.  That way the user
would always find the required tab in the same place instead of having
to hunt for it.  What do other users think or am I the only one who
finds the action of the tab control confusing - maybe I'm easily
confused. :-)

Anyhow, thanks for the info Rick - it's much appreciated.

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cqdigital (532)
12/30/2004 11:23:08 PM
"Wayne" <cqdigital@volcanomail.com> wrote in message 
news:1104448988.554150.16550@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Rick, I guess I hadn't thought about the fact that the tab needs to
> move to the front row as you have explained.  Maybe it would be more
> intuitive to the user to highlight the tab by having its text go bold
> when selected instead of changing the tab row order.  That way the user
> would always find the required tab in the same place instead of having
> to hunt for it.  What do other users think or am I the only one who
> finds the action of the tab control confusing - maybe I'm easily
> confused. :-)

At the risk of looking like a dumbass, I think you're right. I find this 
"feature" really annoying in the advanced display properties for Windows as 
mine has three rows of tabs (ATI). I can never figure out where the previous 
row went. While this isn't a huge slowdown, I don't have a great tolerance 
for "the small things."

Regards,

Robin 


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lasernerd (25)
12/31/2004 3:35:31 AM
On 30 Dec 2004 15:03:44 -0800, "Wayne" <cqdigital@volcanomail.com> wrote:

>Is there a way to stop the default action of a multirow tab control
>whereby the row with focus moves to the front of the tabs?  I find this
>behaviour annoying and confusing to the user and am at a loss as to why
>MS has designed their tab controls like this.

As others have pointed out, all tab controls in Windows work this way, and to
do different would be inconsistent.  I agree though that it breaks many of the
rules of good GUI design, including the fact that it thwarts our muscle and
positional memory.

The solution I usually aim for is to try to modify the design to not to need
that many pages on a tab control.

Describe your situation, and perhaps, some of us will have ideas for reworking
the UI design.
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nospam48 (2784)
12/31/2004 4:17:14 AM
Thanks for the feedback folks.  I'm happy with the UI design of my
database and so is the client - but like Robin, I find this "feature"
really annoying and was wondering if I am the only one that has a
problem with it.  I also find it a pain in the advanced display
properties for Windows where there are 3 rows of tabs.

The fix for my database of course is to follow Rick's advice and use
buttons instead of tabs.  Although I'm not particularly happy with the
look of buttons, at least they don't jump around all over the place and
the result is an interface that's a lot more intuitive for those users
who don't spend any more time in front of a PC than they have to.

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cqdigital (532)
12/31/2004 9:35:21 AM
Wayne wrote:
> Thanks for the feedback folks.  I'm happy with the UI design of my
> database and so is the client - but like Robin, I find this "feature"
> really annoying and was wondering if I am the only one that has a
> problem with it.  I also find it a pain in the advanced display
> properties for Windows where there are 3 rows of tabs.

It's worse in Exchange Server, there's one dialog in there that has 
multirow tabs and one of the tabs is the entire width of the dialog so 
when it's current, it's not apparent at all.

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nospam1955 (773)
12/31/2004 11:37:39 AM
"Wayne" <cqdigital@volcanomail.com> wrote in
news:1104447824.289928.300110@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: 

> Is there a way to stop the default action of a multirow tab
> control whereby the row with focus moves to the front of the tabs?
>  I find this behaviour annoying and confusing to the user and am
> at a loss as to why MS has designed their tab controls like this.

1. Redesign to not need multi-row tabs.

2. Hide the tabs and drive the tab with an option group, instead.
This solution can be formatted to look identical to the tab style
that uses buttons instead of tabs. 

If like tabbed UIs, myself, but have found that users don't like
them nearly as much as I do, so I tend to hide the fact that I'm
using a tab control and drive the tab in some other fashion. Here's
some examples: 

Tab control driven by buttons (fake buttons, actually -- those are
actually labels, and that's why they are colored): 
http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/examples/Activities.gif 

Tab control driven by listbox (also uses the fake buttons at the top
to show/hide the tab control (Profile) vs. a subform (Assignment)): 
http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/examples/c_2pers.gif

Same top-level form with the subform displayed instead of the tab
control, and the subform has a listbox that drives the data
displayed in a subform with a regular tab control on it: 
http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/examples/cand1.gif 

Tab control driven by a wizard interface with <<PREVIOUS/NEXT>>
buttons: http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/examples/NKF/Registration.gif
http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/examples/NRG/DataInput1.jpg

I don't see any examples there that use the actual option group
button solution, but I've definitely used that in the past (I just
haven't posted any examples using that approach). 

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dXXXfenton (2542)
1/1/2005 12:19:07 AM
David, I've tried the option group solution and I like it.  Thanks for
the tip.

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cqdigital (532)
1/1/2005 10:38:07 AM
I agree.  I've always been annoyed by that behavior.  But here's where it
probably came from - think of the physical item this mimics, a tabbed index
card.  Whatever card you're staring at currently will have its tab in front
of all the others, right?  A disconnected tab would blow the metaphor, I
guess.

Armando


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1/2/2005 8:52:58 PM
Armando wrote:
> I agree.  I've always been annoyed by that behavior.  But here's where it
> probably came from - think of the physical item this mimics, a tabbed index
> card.  Whatever card you're staring at currently will have its tab in front
> of all the others, right?  A disconnected tab would blow the metaphor, I
> guess.

That is true. The trouble is we're relying on muscle memory for many 
unit tasks. In a real drawer you move all tabs front/back by hand, so 
you know. In the multi-line tab panel, there is only the mouse movement 
that gets recorded with muscle memory --> controls should stay in place.

I once used to make tabs I don't use (or allow) invisible; but this 
results in the same problem, namely moving tabs. That is awfully 
confusing. You have to keep on reading/searching to get at the tab you want.

Would it be better to maintain the relative tab order, and move tabs 
that have their place 'before' the active tab to the *bottom* of the 
tabcontrol? Sort of top view of the drawer. I think I could live with that.

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