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Rehosting progress 9.1D database from Windows NT 4.0 to Redhat Linux ES 3.0

Dear all,

I am supporting a customer with a server and network upgrade.
Part of the upgrade involves a new server running Redhat Linux ES 3.0.

The customer uses an application developed and distributed locally
(Australia) but I'm having trouble obtaining any kind of technical
support from them... so I'm turning to the general community for help.

The old system has a server running MS Windows NT4.0 and Progress
9.1D, with clients running MS Windows with progress 9.1D clients. The
application is character based.

From what I can tell, Linux is well supported by Progress 9.1.
I have been reading over the material at progress.com, but all I have
found is instructions for clean installs, not for a migration from one
OS to another.

One thing I don't know: are there (significant) costs in changing an
RDBMS licence from MS based to Linux based?

Then on the technical side: Are there scripts/utilities to rehost
databases from MS to Linux?

Are there any particular gotchas in this approach?

Any and all help is much appreciated.
Cheers,


Laz.
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in_cog_ni_to
11/23/2004 3:36:23 AM
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in_cog_ni_to@hotmail.com (Laz) wrote in 
news:f6a1e378.0411221936.7fddc8c5@posting.google.com:

> Dear all,
> 
> I am supporting a customer with a server and network upgrade.
> Part of the upgrade involves a new server running Redhat Linux ES 3.0.
> 
> The customer uses an application developed and distributed locally
> (Australia) but I'm having trouble obtaining any kind of technical
> support from them... so I'm turning to the general community for help.
> 
> The old system has a server running MS Windows NT4.0 and Progress
> 9.1D, with clients running MS Windows with progress 9.1D clients. The
> application is character based.
> 
> From what I can tell, Linux is well supported by Progress 9.1.
> I have been reading over the material at progress.com, but all I have
> found is instructions for clean installs, not for a migration from one
> OS to another.
> 
> One thing I don't know: are there (significant) costs in changing an
> RDBMS licence from MS based to Linux based?
> 
> Then on the technical side: Are there scripts/utilities to rehost
> databases from MS to Linux?
> 
> Are there any particular gotchas in this approach?
> 
> Any and all help is much appreciated.
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Laz.
> 

Linux is well supported by 9.1D and runs really well, from what I have 
seen..

There is normally a 'platform change fee' involved when moving from one 
platform to another. Progres say this is to cover R&D costs on the new 
platform.. The cost is normally current license cost less what was paid 
for the original licenses.. Fight tooth and nail not to pay this if your 
clients maintenance is up to date.. If the maintenance is not up to 
date, then look at the cost of a new license, versus the platform change 
fee.. As a side note, in the latest version (OpenEdge 10) there is no 
such thing as a platform change fee, as the licensing model is 
different.. Also, if the application is character, and the users are 
going to be using telnet to the Linux box, you can drop the 'Client 
Networking' portion, as this is not required (if in fact you have one).

There are no scripts/utilities for changing platforms, but the process 
is reasonably simple. On the NT box, open the Data Administration tool 
and dump the following information:

Data definitions
SQL Views (if you use them)
Users (if using the Progress security model)
Sequence current values (sequence definitions get dumped if you dump all 
the table defs)

Then, on the command line, perform a binary dump of the data and FTP all 
of this to the Linux box.

Create a new database on the linux box (using a modified version of the 
..st file form the NT machine). Open the dictionary and load everything 
that was dumped (in the same order) from the Administration tool on NT. 
Then do a binary load of the .bd files and rebuild your indexes and you 
are good to go.. 

There are no known gotchas, except be sure to use a 4KB blocksize on the 
Linux box. And do lots of testing!! :-)

HTH

Kevin

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Kevin
11/23/2004 7:57:49 AM
In message <Xns95AA515A5E05BJoeJoecom@217.158.240.11>, Kevin 
<Joe@Joe.com> writes
 >in_cog_ni_to@hotmail.com (Laz) wrote in
 >news:f6a1e378.0411221936.7fddc8c5@posting.google.com:
 >
[snipped good stuff about progress db migration]

>
>There are no known gotchas, except be sure to use a 4KB blocksize on the
>Linux box. And do lots of testing!! :-)
>
>HTH
>
>Kevin
>
Kevin,
Sorry to butt in, but why do you say 4KB blocksize for Linux? From what 
we have found in progress docs, they seem to advise 8KB. (We are about 
to migrate from SCO progress 8 to RedHat progress 9 on a new server.)
Thanks,
-- 
Stan Dorrington
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Stan
11/23/2004 8:42:49 AM
Stan Dorrington <spamtrap@ianwilliams.co.uk.invalid> wrote in 
news:7NpRFCiJgvoBFwID@spamtrap.ianwilliams.co.uk:

> In message <Xns95AA515A5E05BJoeJoecom@217.158.240.11>, Kevin 
> <Joe@Joe.com> writes
> >in_cog_ni_to@hotmail.com (Laz) wrote in
> >news:f6a1e378.0411221936.7fddc8c5@posting.google.com:
> >
> [snipped good stuff about progress db migration]
> 
>>
>>There are no known gotchas, except be sure to use a 4KB blocksize on 
the
>>Linux box. And do lots of testing!! :-)
>>
>>HTH
>>
>>Kevin
>>
> Kevin,
> Sorry to butt in, but why do you say 4KB blocksize for Linux? From 
what 
> we have found in progress docs, they seem to advise 8KB. (We are about 
> to migrate from SCO progress 8 to RedHat progress 9 on a new server.)
> Thanks,

8KB is recommended for all OSes that support 8KB blocksize.. I am not 
sure about ES3, but previous incarnations using the extfs3 file system 
only support 4KB blocks.. In recent bunker tests, Gus, John Harlow and 
Dan Foreman ran a number of tests on Linux and concluded that 4KB gave 
the best performance..

Head over to www.peg.com/search.html and search for 'bunker test' which 
should pull up the results..

Kevin
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Kevin
11/23/2004 9:07:35 AM
Kevin <Joe@Joe.com> wrote...
> Stan Dorrington <spamtrap@ianwilliams.co.uk.invalid> wrote ...
> > <Joe@Joe.com> writes...
[Great stuff deleted]

Thanks guys for the great technical information and the advice on
licencing fees.

I won't pretend I know what you mean in some places (very new to
Progress) but armed with your instructions I'm sure I can figure it
out.

The customer is paid up on maintenance (but has not seen any updates
in over a year), so does this mean they should have been entitled to
OpenEdge 10? (or should they be limited to the last patch release of
9.x only?)

Thanks again for taking the time to give me a clue.
:-)

Regards,
Laz.
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in_cog_ni_to
11/25/2004 2:31:13 PM
in_cog_ni_to@hotmail.com (Laz) wrote in 
news:f6a1e378.0411250631.7b2b395b@posting.google.com:

> [Great stuff deleted]
> 
> Thanks guys for the great technical information and the advice on
> licencing fees.
> 
> I won't pretend I know what you mean in some places (very new to
> Progress) but armed with your instructions I'm sure I can figure it
> out.
> 
> The customer is paid up on maintenance (but has not seen any updates
> in over a year), so does this mean they should have been entitled to
> OpenEdge 10? (or should they be limited to the last patch release of
> 9.x only?)
> 
> Thanks again for taking the time to give me a clue.
>:-)
> 
> Regards,
> Laz.
> 

If maintenance is up to date, they can order OpenEdge 10 - lifetime 
updates is part of the maintenenace.. Service packs likewise..

The Progress documentation is all available on the web site: 
www.progress.com

Kevin
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Kevin
11/25/2004 2:40:56 PM
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