Re: [Telecom] Cell phone text message spam
Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:07:11 -0800 Steven Lichter wrote:
<<I get very little spam on my phone, Srint allows you to set your user
name on each phone that then becomes the same on your e-mail address.
change min a while back because a friend of mine put my e-mail address
on his long e-mail jokes he would send out, I have unlimited data on my
plan so it does not matter to me.>>
This does nothing for text message spam that is phone number to phone
We're happy that you wish to subscribe to an unlimited data, but most
of us do not bother with it nor do we wish to subscribe to such plans
since we want our phones for using as phones and occasional text
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Mr Joseph Singer wrote:
> Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:07:11 -0800 Steven Lichter wrote:
> <<I get very little spam on my phone, Srint allows you to set your user
> name on each phone that then becomes the same on your e-mail address.
> change min a while back because a friend of mine put my e-mail address
> on his long e-mail jokes he would send out, I have unlimited data on my
> plan so it does not matter to me.>>
> This does nothing for text message spam that is pho...Cell phone texting spam--article [telecom]
This is an issue that bugs me--spam sent to cell phone as text
messages that the recipient must pay for, and the lack of
responsiveness from the cell phone carriers. I got a few such spams
that I had to pay for and my only option was to turn off texting
capability; an option I think is wrong but I had no other reasonable
An article in the Phila Inqr discusses this further. See:
Can't the cell phone carriers use ANI to trace back to the offending
source? If the caller spoofed their callback number (as I suspect
they do), couldn't they be prosecuted for that?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:42:09 -0500, Lisa or Jeff <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> This is an issue that bugs me--spam sent to cell phone as text
> messages that the recipient must pay for, and the lack of
> responsiveness from the cell phone carriers. ...
> Can't the cell phone carriers use ANI to trace back to the offending ...
Some SMS arrive at a cell phone after going through an email-to-SMS gateway.
For example, any internet email client can send email to email@example.com
(to illustrate with a made-up T-Mobile email addie), and if 212-333-4444 *is*
the cellular number of a T-Mobile subscriber, the first (roughly) 150 characters
of that email are sent to that subscriber's handset as an SMS.
I've had spam like that -- even the...[telecom] Why your cell phone is ripe for spam texts in 2012
Why your cell phone is ripe for spam texts in 2012
By Nancy Scola
June 1, 2012
In the late 1970s, the cutting edge of communications technologies
was the autodialer, a machine capable of calling up scores of people
in one shot, with little human involvement. It was innovative, and
annoying. By the early '90s, Congress had had enough. "Computerized
calls," railed South Carolina Democrat Fritz Hollings from the Senate
floor, "are the scourge of modern civilization."
And so, Congress legislated. But the focus was on commercial calls.
Mindful of the free flow of speech and - let's be honest - interested
in self-preservation, lawmakers exempted political calls from its
Telecommunications Consumer Protection Act. But Congress decided that
some phones were too sensitive to get even autodialed political
calls: those in hospitals, those designated for emergency purposes -
and those in our pockets.
But here we are, some two decades later, and voters across the
country are getting political text messages they never asked for.
In <firstname.lastname@example.org> Monty Solomon <email@example.com> writes:
>Why your cell phone is ripe for spam texts in 2012
>But here we are, some two decades later, and voters across the
>country are getting political text messages they never asked ...MSNBC on text message spam [telecom]
MSNBC had a report on text message spam, as using for debt
consolidating companies. They send out a "survey"* then go into a
For article please see:
IMNO, any kind of unsoliciting texting to cell phones ought to be
illegal** because many subscribers (like me) have to pay for each
text, and it disrupts legitimate messaging. I'm not sure what the
cell phone carriers are doing, if anything, to curtail spam texting.
(Is there anyone who thinks this sort of thing should be allowed? If
In response to my complaint my carrier said they could turn off
texting for my account, and I had them do so. I don't text so it
shouldn't have been a problem.
However, I discovered several problems with turning off my texting
capability. Basically, _everything_ is turned off, including legimate
--No "bounce message": A few people who texted me (not knowing I
don't text) didn't know I had it turned off. They did not get any
rejection message as one gets with regular email and assumed I got
--No service messages or balance replies: I cannot receive legitimate
service messages from the carrier nor responses to inquiries about my
account usage and balance.
--Hurts unanswered messages: If someone calls me and I don't answer,
they get an option to leave a callback number. But that message ...Re: [telecom] Cell-phone generation increasingly disconnected [Telecom]
In a message dated 8/1/2009 1:17:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
> obtelecom: the fumes, ash, and particulates from cigarette
> smoke dramatically raise the maintenance requirements at
> any central office using step-by-step switches.
Any electromechanical switch, including crossbar and probably
panel, rotary and all-relay.
Smoking was prohibited in every swichtroom that I ever went into or
...Re: [telecom] Cell-phone generation increasingly disconnected [Telecom]
In a message dated 7/31/2009 9:40:44 PM Central Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org
> At most, a place that made some extra effort to block cell
> signal might need to post a notice that they are a sheilded
> location and cell phones won't work, but a lot of places
> already block signal without trying. I've been advocating
> using the Farady cage idea for at least 10 years. It would
> cost very little during new construction. They could make
> foil backed wallboard and wallpaper. Instead we get 3 reminders
> at the beginning of every movie to turn off our cells. Sigh.
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.
I would think deliberately blocking calls would be far different from
service being unavailable for natural reasons.
The restaurant that did so would probably soon find itself shunned
by so many customers that it would have to go out of business. Even
those of us who bemoan the use of cell phones in restaurants probably
do so occasionally, and I have been in restaurants where there were
cell users who were not annoying anyone.
In <email@example.com> Wesrock@aol.com writes:
> I would think deliberately blocking calls would be far different from
>service being unavailable for natural reasons.
> The restaurant that did so would probably soon find itself shunned
>by so many cust...Re: [telecom] Re: TELECOM Re: Analog cell phone equipment
In <firstname.lastname@example.org> "Herb Oxley" <email@example.com> writes:
>> Later on more modern phones were placed in Amtrak and commuter
>> trains. Metro North had a big push to have a phone on every train
>> which was completed just before personal cell phones became
>> widespread. The original Metroliner (and prior 1948 train phones)
>> used real phone booths, later units had a phone but no booth, so
>> everyone could hear and be disturbed by your call, just like today.
>So how much did a phone call cost on the Metroliners?
In addition to the coin phone rate (based on calling from
Philadelphia, there was a hefty surcharge ($1.50???). But...
the phones could call out to "800" (not "1-800") numbers,
and there was no surcharge on those.
I called out to the Polaroid customer service folk
(remember that company?) and had a nice long chat...
***** Moderator's Note *****
By a curious coindidence, I _do_ remember Polaroid: my aunt worked
there for her entire career. It's a classic example, in the same way
as Western Union, travel agencies, or passenger lines, of the way
nobody ever sees change coming when it's _their_ ox that's about to be
gored. C'est la vie.
...Re: [telecom] Cell-phone generation increasingly disconnected [Telecom] #2
In a message dated 8/1/2009 1:17:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Seems to me the same claims were made regarding prohibiting
> smoking in airplanes, bars, restaurants, and stores.
That's why it had to be banned in all bars at once, all resaurants at
once and all stores at once.
> In a message dated 8/1/2009 1:17:21 PM Central Daylight Time,
> firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
> > Seems to me the same claims were made regarding prohibiting
> > smoking in airplanes, bars, restaurants, and stores.
> That's why it had to be banned in all bars at once, all resaurants at
> once and all stores at once.
That is the claim that the bar and restaurant owners make.
I'm not convinced their argument holds water. Maybe.
To my knowledge no one has tried setting up a cell phone
dead zone on purpose (save for some special cases of secure
facilities) and advertising the fact. I really don't see
why new movie theatres don't do it. Restaurants are a bit
different, and I really don't mind cell phones there, but
some do. I would not avoid a restaurant because my cell
phone didn't work there. I'm not afraid to be out of touch
for an hour or two. I could even see some places advertising
it as a feature, "come enjoy our elegant, cell phone free,
Blacks...Cell phones: more texting, less talking? [telecom]
On the commuter train on Saturday I noticed it was quieter than
usual. Typically on a weekend many passengers, especially the younger
ones, are yakking away on their cell phones making the train rather
noisy. (That's why some railroads have introduced "quiet cars",
though not on weekends).
Anyway, I did notice a number of passengers 'thumbing away', that is,
apparently sending and receiving text messages.
I understand text message traffic has gone up, which the cell carriers
love because texting uses less bandwidth capacity than a voice call
does, but they charge more for it. One needs to pay extra to get
unlimited texting. Otherwise, as many parents found out the hard way,
texting is expensive.
Has text message traffic overcame voice message traffic? Could
someone expand on today's cell phone traffic mix? Thanks.
[public replies, please]
> Has text message traffic overcame voice message traffic? Could
> someone expand on today's cell phone traffic mix? Thanks.
A quick Google tells me that a GSM 'half-rate' codec requires 6.5 kbit/sec;
a 140 character message is 1120 bits of payload and the average text length
is probably much less than 140 characters so it would take several texts per
second - which is how many texting users? - to equal the bandwidth
consumption of a single voice call. So I'm betting that voice still
accounts for the vast majority of the bits m...[telecom]recorded telecom messages
an archive of recorded messages:
Dave Garland wrote:
> an archive of recorded messages:
heh heh, those have some humor potential!
Rick Merrill wrote:
>Dave Garland wrote:
>>an archive of recorded messages:
>heh heh, those have some humor potential!
Friend of mine had a very realistic sounding ring tone with perfect SIT
(tone) sequence and "We're sorry due to call overload, our system is
f****d up and your call cannot be processed."
***** Moderator's Note *****
If I had to explain to a child what "f****d up" meant, I'd say "fouled
The original lettering was different, and left less room for
interpretation. Those contributing to the Digest are respectfully
asked to consider that Usenet crosses not only national, but also age
and gender boundaries.
...Re.: Cell phones: more texting, less talking? [telecom]
On November 27, 2011, "HAncock4" wrote:
> On the commuter train on Saturday I noticed it was quieter than
> usual. Typically on a weekend many passengers, especially the
> younger ones, are yakking away on their cell phones making the train
> rather noisy. (That's why some railroads have introduced "quiet
> cars", though not on weekends). Anyway, I did notice a number of
> passengers 'thumbing away', that is, apparently sending and
> receiving text messages.
Isn't it amazing how human beings (is it at a certain age level - or
should I ask is it "up to" a certain age level) have become so
non-verbal in their inter-personal communications?
> I understand text message traffic has gone up, which the cell
> carriers love because texting uses less bandwidth capacity than a
> voice call does, but they charge more for it. One needs to pay
> extra to get unlimited texting. Otherwise, as many parents found
> out the hard way, texting is expensive.
A huge amount of the carriers revenue most probably is coming from
texting. After all, texting is really a "no cost to the carrier" item
hidden away in the business portion of the sub-band communications
between the cell phone and the nearest cell tower; the communication
link which keeps the cell system advised as to the location of the
cell phone. The 160 character text message, from what I have read,
costs the carr...[telecom] FTC vs. phone text-spam. Maybe
[FTC press release]
In eight different complaints filed in courts around the United States,
the FTC charged 29 defendants with collectively sending more than 180
million unwanted text messages to consumers, many of whom had to pay for
receiving the texts. The messages promised consumers free gifts or prizes,
including gift cards worth $1,000 to major retailers such as Best Buy,
Walmart and Target. Consumers who clicked on the links in the messages
found themselves caught in a confusing and elaborate process that required
them to provide sensitive personal information, apply for credit or pay to
subscribe to services to get the supposedly "free" cards.
- A question for our SMS mavens. Per the NY Times article [a]:
"Spam waves have become much more frequent since phone companies began
offering unlimited text-messaging plans. Now, spammers buy hundreds of SIM
cards, the chips that make cellphones work, allowing them to send a flood
of messages and then abandon the phone numbers."
- I'm wondering about that for a couple of reasons. First is
that you'd (the spammer, that is) still have to type in
each msg into the phone. That kind of limits it to a
hundred or so per hour.
- Now that's a big number, but it ain't a BIG number.
Are the...Texting (and cell phone usage) while driving movie: the consequences [Telecom]
I wish there was a way to force all the [motorists] who use cell
phones and/or text while driving to view this [Public Service
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ttNgZDZruI> [4 minutes 12 seconds]
Yes, it's brutal, and so are vehicular collisions and deaths caused
by distracted drivers.
***** Moderator's Note *****
Although the results may differ in the U.K. or in other countries,
ISTR that in the U.S., experience has shown that horrifying video
images don't have the intended result. I'll defer to other readers to
confirm or deny.
In any case, please remember that the video was not a documentary of
actual events: it is a work of fiction, and was professionally
produced as a Public Service Announcement. It was intended to frighten
young drivers with the hope of reducing traffic accidents, and it
should be viewed in that light.
On 8/26/2009 4:59 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:
> I wish there was a way to force all the [motorists] who use cell
> phones and/or text while driving to view this [Public Service
Bill (the moderator): thank you for 2 things. Cleaning up my
original words and reducing them to "[motorists]", and clarifying
what PSA means. I had no idea what was meant by PSA upon seeing it
in Silicon Valley's "Road Show Report" today at URL:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ttNgZDZruI&...funny telecom cartoon (telecom) [telecom]
For a bit of telecom humor, see:
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...Penalty for driving while texting in Long Island-a disabled cell phone [telecom]
Penalty for driving while texting in Long Island-a disabled cell phone
New York prosecutor says driving while texting is as dangerous as
by David Kravets
Sept 9 2014
Motorists popped for texting-while-driving violations in Long Island
could be mandated to temporarily disable their mobile phones the next
time they take to the road.
That's according to Nassau County District Attorney Kathleen Rice, who
says she is moving to mandate that either hardware be installed or
apps be activated that disable the mobile phone while behind the
wheel. The di...news report on cell phone spam
A local TV news report discussed the problem of spam texts and phone
calls to cell phones, where the callee often has to pay for them.
Many people interviewed resented the intrusion of such calls and texts
and their cost.
The news report said "it's hard for [users] to stop this on cell
phones". (I don't know if that's true) They quoted the carriers as
saying they will credit customers for such calls upon request.
(Not mentioned was how difficult it sometimes can be to reach a
carrier's customer service to get such a credit.)
For myself, after receiving and billed for several unsolicited spam
messages I had my carrier turn off texting, a feature I don't use. I
can't help but wonder if the carriers and telephone network
administrators could do more to stop spam and illegal solicitation
calls. (It's also illegal to call a nursing home resident, but sales
people would call my mother.)
[public replies, please]
On Oct 4, 6:18 pm, HAncock4 <withh...@invalid.telecom-digest.org>
> The news report said "it's hard for [users] to stop this on cell
> phones". (I don't know if that's true) They quoted the carriers as
> saying they will credit customers for such calls upon request.
For my part, I just keep a zero balance on a Virgin Mobile phone, and
when my "minute pack" runs out, I add just enough money to buy
another one. No money, no text messages.
Bil...Re: [telecom] When Texting Is Wrong [Telecom]
In a message dated 7/18/2009 9:44:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
> My feeling is that automation must make things better for the customer
> than they were before.
The usual result nowadays is that it is done to make things better for the
company, not the customer.
...Death of the text? Mobile phone users turn to free instant messaging as electronic communication of choice [telecom]
Mobile text messaging could become extinct within a generation as
millions of young people turn to other forms of electronic
Teenagers are increasingly using instant messaging from mobile phones
and social networking sites such as Facebook.
Experts predict the amount of texts sent in the UK will drop by 20 per
cent in the next two years.
It comes as teenagers and students are increasingly using BlackBerrys
instead of iPhones and other smartphones because the device has a free
Read more here:
Submitters note: Blackberry? Really?
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:18:12 -0500, John Mayson wrote:
> Mobile text messaging could become extinct within a generation as
> millions of young people turn to other forms of electronic
> It comes as teenagers and students are increasingly using BlackBerrys
> instead of iPhones and other smartphones because the device has a free
> BBM messenger.
> Read more here:
> Submitters note: Blackberry? Really?
Exactly, and if you are going to rely on any Smartphone there is also this
free (almost instant) messaging s...[telecom] Need some guidance on telecom easements [Telecom]
> ***** Moderator's Note *****
> IANAL, and you need a good one, experienced in both easements and
> tower leases. Don't go to the local guy: this is an area where new
> precedents are being set almost daily, as cell towers and cellular
> infrastructure pop up at every streetcorner. You need a firm that
> does this all the time.
> You can start by getting some facts by yourself:
> 1. What frequencies will the transmitter(s) operator on?
> 2. What company will hold the FCC license?
> 3. What are the authorized emission types?
> 4. Would the easement allow them to add more transmitters in the future?
> 5. Does the easement allow them to heighten the pole or substitute a
> 6. Does the easement allow them to erect new buildings?
> The specific answer are important, but the meta-message is critical:
> if you get evasiveness and double-talk, techno-babble, or bureacratic
> buck-passing, STOP the process and call in the cavalry. Tell your
> attorney to put safeguards into the lease that prevent the
> communications carrier from putting a wireless central office on top
> of that pole.
> Most importantly, don't let them rush you: if ANYONE threatens to move
> the equipment and get a lease elsewhere, tell them "Go ahead!". The
> fact that your land was sought-after as a tower site means it's fit
> for use as a cellular (or o...Re: The Telecom Digest (1 messages) [TELECOM]
> Per T:
>>> It's not going to happen. Most phone services allow call-block now. And
>>> on my phone I use Blacklist for Android - MetroPCS wants to charge me a
>>> buck a month for phone block. A $2 app does it forever and I don't need
>>> to pay MetroPCS for the privilege.
>> But don't Call-Block services depend on a blacklist? If so, who
>> maintains the blacklist?
>> What data does the Android app work from? Does it just block
>> anything where the calling number is not in your phonebook?
> No, you can tell the Blacklist application what numbers to block. I
> quite like it as when you want to add it'll go into the phone call log
> and let you choose a number.
There is a similar program for Blackberry, I use iBlocker Pro on mine.
It will reject calls (either dump straight to voicemail or auto-answer
and hang up on the call) and reply to texts from blocked numbers too
with your own "custom" message.
...[telecom] Manual and Magneto Phone Systems [Telecom]
On Friday, August 15, 2008 8:40 AM "Anthony Bellanga" <email@example.com> wrote:
> Regarding Lisa Hancock's inquiry about manual and magneto systems:
> Just because a system used *MAGNETO RINGING* does NOT necessarily
> mean that all phones had *LOCAL BATTERY* for *TALKING*.
> And just because a system had *COMMON BATTERY* for powering *TALKING*
> does NOT necessarily mean that all phones had centralized ringing
> Power for ringing is (usually) Alternating Current;
> power for the talk circuit is Direct current.
The classifications of central offices in those days were
"magneto," which was understood to mean magneto signalling, local talk
battery, and "common battery," which was understood to mean common
talk and supervisory battery and machine ringing. This was the usual
teleco usage as applied to central offices.
The central office had machine ringing whether it was magneto or
A very significant part of common battery operation is the
supevision that was inherent. Local batteries would have been
incompatible with the supervisory functions. The same battery was
used for both talk and supervision.
But there indeed might be some magneto lines in a common battery
exchange. That was particularly true in earlier days when rural
magneto lines (usually one conductor and ground) were served from a
comm...Re: The Telecom Digest (16 messages) [telecom]
Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:23:21 -0400 Monty Solomon <firstname.lastname@example.org> noted the article:
<<Smartphones encourage mobile user churn
Owners of high end handsets are the least loyal, bad news for AT&T
Published: 22 September, 2010
High end smartphones not only bring operators' networks crashing down
with their high rates of data consumption, but they breed fickle
consumers who will worsen churn levels, especially as users get more
hostile to two-year contract lock-ins. The downside of the smartphone
boom is highlighted in a survey by Nokia Siemens, which found that
users of high end handsets are the least likely to stay with their
Further on into the article it states:
<<Before smartphones, the main driver of customer loyalty was network
coverage and signal strength. Now the device is the main factor for
customers choosing a carrier, and applications and services play a
major role in keeping them loyal, both to the device and the
In my opinion anyone who switches their carrier simply for a device no
matter how "wow" the device is a little not too smart. Many people
have stated many times that AT&T's network is inferior to Verizon's
but I know plenty of people who now have regular non jailbroken
iPhones who I assume are on the AT&T network and have abandoned their
previous network. If you have a device that can't perform because the
netwo...John's Phone | The World's Simplest Cell Phone [telecom]
Yep, it has no display and the Address Book is a pad and paper!
Now that's retro!
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have, intelligence is a
measure of how many questions you have.
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 6:56 PM, David Clayton <email@example.com> wrote:
> Yep, it has no display and the Address Book is a pad and paper!
> Now that's retro!
Does anyone else besides me strangely want one?
I'm ...Phone calls or text [telecom]
David Mitchell's Soapbox: Phone calls - video
(Alternative short form for the above link)
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 09:03 -0800, Joseph Singer wrote:
> David Mitchell's Soapbox: Phone calls - video
> (Alternative short form for the above link)
Oh, finally, someone on utube that I agree with. I'm going to start
putting my own videos out there.
(Remove QRM from email address to write to me directly)