Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
about this stuff:

http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html

:-)


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> 
> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
> about this stuff:
> 
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Vladimir Vassilevsky
> DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
> http://www.abvolt.com
> 
> 
Man, I just can't keep _up_.  I thought you were supposed to dip your 
equipment in LN2.  I guess that's just so 2000.

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> writes:

> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
> about this stuff:
>
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>

Thank you so much for this information, Vlad. I'm rushing my order for
the RR-77 Ultra Low-Frequency Pulse Generator this evening. Finally
there is a way to fight that blasted Schumann resonance!

> :-)

-- 
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC            %    and those who hesitate
%%% 919-577-9882                %    got no one..."
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On Oct 14, 7:59=A0am, Randy Yates <ya...@ieee.org> wrote:
> Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bo...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
> > about this stuff:
>
> >http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>
> Thank you so much for this information, Vlad. I'm rushing my order for
> the RR-77 Ultra Low-Frequency Pulse Generator this evening. Finally
> there is a way to fight that blasted Schumann resonance!

Be careful. You've lived you whole life under the influence of the
Schumann resonance. Walk into a room where its taken away, and who
knows what medical consequences it might have. :-)

steveu@coppice.org writes:
> 
> Be careful. You've lived you whole life under the influence of the
> Schumann resonance. Walk into a room where its taken away, and who
> knows what medical consequences it might have. :-)


And to think, I've wasted 40 years thinking Schumann Resonance was the
bass viol part of Fantasie in C Maj.

--L

Randy Yates wrote:
> Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
>> about this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>>
> 
> Thank you so much for this information, Vlad. I'm rushing my order for
> the RR-77 Ultra Low-Frequency Pulse Generator this evening. Finally
> there is a way to fight that blasted Schumann resonance!

If you think Schumann resonance is troublesome, try dealing with 
Schubert dissonance!

Jerry
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Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> 
> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
> about this stuff:
> 
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html

I hope there's a special place in hell for people who sell that stuff.

Jerry
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On Oct 14, 12:21 pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
> about this stuff:
>
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>
> :-)
>
> Vladimir Vassilevsky
> DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultanthttp://www.abvolt.com

The silk absorber look great. Would cotton wool have the same effect?


Hardy

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:59:37 -0400, Randy Yates wrote:

> Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
>> about this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>>
>>
> Thank you so much for this information, Vlad. I'm rushing my order for
> the RR-77 Ultra Low-Frequency Pulse Generator this evening. Finally
> there is a way to fight that blasted Schumann resonance!
> 
>> :-)

What I couldn't figure out (guess at) is why an unsynchronised pulse 
*generator* might be thought to *reduce* a resonance?  Surely it'll just 
make matters worse?  Not to mention that the Schumann resonances are EM 
effects, rather than acoustic.  I looked 'em up: Wikipedia's great!

Some of the links at the side are just as hilarious.  They'll sell you a 
gold/silver *fuse* for your power supply, should you ask.  There's a 
lathe to put a 36-degree bevel on the sides of your CDs: a more techno 
version of the famous green texta treatment.  There's a CD that will 
demagnitize and "optimize" your whole hi-fi system, when you play it...

$600 for a quartz disk that you just *put on top* of your hi-fi set?

The corker is the silk-wool wadding to make sure that your connectors 
stay connected...

Best laugh of the morning!

Cheers,

-- 
Andrew

Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
> about this stuff:
> 
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
> 
> :-)

Snake oil ;-)

There is much more of this kind floating in the web:
- http://www.ennemoser.com/c37theory.html
- http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html
- http://www.shakti-innovations.com
- http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/francktchang/resonators.html
- http://www.fastaudio.com/INT/index.html

bye
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HardySpicer wrote:
> 
> The silk absorber look great. Would cotton wool have the same effect?
> 

No need to get cheap cotton wool. Here you can buy a kilo of the silk 
stuff for just 21�:

http://www.wollknoll.eu/shop/wbc.php?sid=99280cc800f&tpl=produktdetail.html&pid=734&rid=104&recno=4

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:vIQIk.2489$Ei5.1723@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
> about this stuff:
>
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>
> :-)

Place some quartz NEXT to a power cable for improved performance?
OMG they've won prizes! This 'review' almost convinces me 
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue33/rio5.htm  - "WhoaMAMA, better!! 
More of everything was apparent including significantly enhanced textures, 
sweetness, and front/back depth."

On Oct 13, 7:21=A0pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bo...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
> about this stuff:
>
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>
> :-)
>
> Vladimir Vassilevsky
> DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultanthttp://www.abvolt.com

I like the "fact" that silk is the best because its cells are randomly
arranged. If random, why does it have fibers? Surely that is a
nonrandom arrangement.

Years ago, when people were getting into all of the "magnet stuff",
I.e., like sleeping on a bed of magnets to cure back problems or
putting a magnet by the fuel line in your car to improve mileage. We
put the ads up on the bulletin board outside of the physics office and
asked students to identify as many violations of physics that they
could find. For example, magnetizing a liquid.

Clay

p.s. You gotta love this stuff. It all just preys on lack of
knowledge. So of like all of the polictical stuff flying around these
days. For example, tax cuts for 95% of the people when 35% already
don't pay federal income tax. How do you cut zero taxes? Go negative
and create welfare?

Jerry Avins wrote:

> Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> 
>> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
>> about this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
> 
> I hope there's a special place in hell for people who sell that stuff.
> 

My philosophy is different.
In this world, the 99.999% of things are done without any goal or 
purpose. That stuff is neither better or worse then many other things or 
activities. Why blaming it if it makes somebody happy.



Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

VelociChicken wrote:

> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:vIQIk.2489$Ei5.1723@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
> 
>>Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
>>about this stuff:
>>
>>http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>>
> 
> Place some quartz NEXT to a power cable for improved performance?

Sure. I guess you can place anything smooth and heavy for rattling 
suppression, however they are offering special items just for that purpose.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

Andrew Reilly wrote:

   ...

> $600 for a quartz disk that you just *put on top* of your hi-fi set?

Sure. Don't you know that quartz is a CRYSTAL?

> The corker is the silk-wool wadding to make sure that your connectors 
> stay connected...

There's a cheap alternative, you know: husky fur. My carpeting is paved 
with it.

> Best laugh of the morning!

Yup! Thanks, Vlad.

Jerry
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HardySpicer wrote:
> On Oct 14, 12:21 pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bo...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
>> about this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Vladimir Vassilevsky
>> DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultanthttp://www.abvolt.com
> 
> The silk absorber look great. Would cotton wool have the same effect?

No, but the right dog hair works. See earlier post.

Jerry
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"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:NA1Jk.2257$pr6.1864@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
>
> VelociChicken wrote:
>
>> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:vIQIk.2489$Ei5.1723@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>>Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
>>>about this stuff:
>>>
>>>http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>>>
>>
>> Place some quartz NEXT to a power cable for improved performance?
>
> Sure. I guess you can place anything smooth and heavy for rattling 
> suppression, however they are offering special items just for that 
> purpose.

Oh no, it can't be anything of course - "Pure smoky quartz and pure quartz 
don't generate their own tone, and they improve the sound quality." to quote 
the makers of this thing.

Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> 
> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
> about this stuff:
> 
> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html

Here's another gadget. If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed 
that replacing a duplex power outlet could provide HDTV quality on an 
old TV set. http://www.fimpression.com/images/misc/Conductor.pdf

Jerry
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Jerry Avins wrote:
> Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>>
>> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
>> about this stuff:
>>
>> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
> 
> Here's another gadget. If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed 
> that replacing a duplex power outlet could provide HDTV quality on an 
> old TV set. http://www.fimpression.com/images/misc/Conductor.pdf
> 
> Jerry

Isn't it comforting to know that the folks who wrote that are going to 
vote in this year's US presidential election?

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Jerry Avins wrote:

> 
> Here's another gadget. If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed 
> that replacing a duplex power outlet could provide HDTV quality on an 
> old TV set. http://www.fimpression.com/images/misc/Conductor.pdf
> 


HDTV is nothing. It's the "blacker background" for the audio  that 
impresses the most!

Richard Dobson

On Oct 14, 1:43=A0pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
> > Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>
> >> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
> >> about this stuff:
>
> >>http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>
> > Here's another gadget. If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed
> > that replacing a duplex power outlet could provide HDTV quality on an
> > old TV set.http://www.fimpression.com/images/misc/Conductor.pdf
>
> > Jerry
>
> Isn't it comforting to know that the folks who wrote that are going to
> vote in this year's US presidential election?
>
> --
>
> Tim Wescott
> Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com
>
> Do you need to implement control loops in software?
> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says=
..
> See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Tim and others,

Howard Stern sent a reporter out to see just how stupid some of the
potential voters are. You must see to believe.

Clay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSCcHzUmVP5c

Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> writes:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
> > Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you
> >> think about this stuff:
> >>
> >> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
> > Here's another gadget. If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed
> > that replacing a duplex power outlet could provide HDTV quality on
> > an old TV set. http://www.fimpression.com/images/misc/Conductor.pdf
> > Jerry
> 
> Isn't it comforting to know that the folks who wrote that are going to
> vote in this year's US presidential election?
> 

The people who write these ads are the ones *manipulating* the enxt
election.  The ones who BUY their wares are the ones voting.

I'm crawling back into my cave....

--L

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:29:53 +0200, Andreas Huennebeck <acmh@gmx.de>
wrote:

>Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>
>> Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think
>> about this stuff:
>> 
>> http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>> 
>> :-)
>
>Snake oil ;-)
>
>There is much more of this kind floating in the web:
>- http://www.ennemoser.com/c37theory.html
>- http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html
>- http://www.shakti-innovations.com
>- http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/francktchang/resonators.html
>- http://www.fastaudio.com/INT/index.html
>
>bye
>Andreas

I'd been hoping that the site that Vladimir referenced or one of these
was really a spoof site like these:

KaleCo Auto - a good source for muffler bearings, blinker fluid, wiper
blade sharpeners, or left-handed metric screwdrivers:
http://www.kalecoauto.com/

Mark's Infinite Solutions - Check out the tutorials like speeding up
mail, recharging alkaline batteries, or this one on extending WiFi
range:
http://www.marksinfinitesolutions.com/tutorials/default.asp?tutorial=IS_Wifi

Sadly, it appears that these audio sites aren't spoofs.  :(

I suppose, though, that it can be argued that this sort of thing is no
worse than providing a mortgage loan to someone who has no hope of
paying it back.

Sigh.

Eric Jacobsen
Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
http://www.ericjacobsen.org

Blog: http://www.dsprelated.com/blogs-1/hf/Eric_Jacobsen.php

clay@claysturner.com wrote:

> Years ago, when people were getting into all of the "magnet stuff",
> I.e., like sleeping on a bed of magnets to cure back problems or
> putting a magnet by the fuel line in your car to improve mileage. We
> put the ads up on the bulletin board outside of the physics office and
> asked students to identify as many violations of physics that they
> could find. For example, magnetizing a liquid.

Since the subject is HiFi, some years ago magnetic liquids
became popular to help cool speaker voice coils.  (I presume
suspended magnetic particles in a liquid base.)  Otherwise,
liquid oxygen is paramagnetic, as can be demonstrated by
pouring it near the gap of a strong electromagnet.
(One of my favorite physics lecture demonstrations.)

-- glen

Eric Jacobsen wrote:

   ...

> KaleCo Auto - a good source for muffler bearings, blinker fluid, wiper
> blade sharpeners, or left-handed metric screwdrivers:
> http://www.kalecoauto.com/

This must be a spoof. They sell a round tuit (%125.99), a silicone ball 
gag called a "Passenger Noise Reducer" ($12.99), an automatic tampon 
dispenser for lady race drivers ($85.99) and more.

Jerry
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glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
> clay@claysturner.com wrote:
> 
>> Years ago, when people were getting into all of the "magnet stuff",
>> I.e., like sleeping on a bed of magnets to cure back problems or
>> putting a magnet by the fuel line in your car to improve mileage. We
>> put the ads up on the bulletin board outside of the physics office and
>> asked students to identify as many violations of physics that they
>> could find. For example, magnetizing a liquid.
> 
> Since the subject is HiFi, some years ago magnetic liquids
> became popular to help cool speaker voice coils.  (I presume
> suspended magnetic particles in a liquid base.)  Otherwise,
> liquid oxygen is paramagnetic, as can be demonstrated by
> pouring it near the gap of a strong electromagnet.
> (One of my favorite physics lecture demonstrations.)

A friend of mine had the patents on it. It is silicone oil with 
colloidal ferromagnetic ceramic. I used it to make a simple rotary 
vacuum seal. The vapor pressure of the silicone wasn't a problem. 
http://www.ferrotec.com/

Jerry
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Tim Wescott wrote:

> Isn't it comforting to know that the folks who wrote that are going to 
> vote in this year's US presidential election?

Nah - don't worry to much about the guys who sell such stuff. These are 
clever ones. I'd be more frightened about those who buy these voodoo 
things. :-)

   Nils

On 14 Okt, 21:54, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@ieee.org> wrote:

> Sadly, it appears that these audio sites aren't spoofs. =A0:(
>
> I suppose, though, that it can be argued that this sort of thing is no
> worse than providing a mortgage loan to someone who has no hope of
> paying it back.
>
> Sigh.

Psychology is indeed a depressing subject.

Over here there has been lots of storys about people
suffering from 'EM radiation allergy' - people claim
to become ill in the vicinity of sources of low-power
EM radiation (it used to be power lines, these days
it's mobile phones).

http://aftenbladet.no/magasin/helse/927018/Mediefokus_paa_mobilstraaling_ka=
n_foraarsake_hodepine.html

The newspaper article linked above describes an experiment
performed at NTNU (The Norwegian University of Science
and Technology) where 17 subjects who suffer from this
form of 'radiation sickness' were examined.

The subjects were studied both with and without exposure
to radiation.

Professor Stovner: "It turned ut that the subjects experienced
headaches independently of radiation levels actually present.
In other words, the headaches were not caused by the radiation."

The experimenters excluded stress as cause of the headache,
and attribute the problem to the noncebo effect, noncebo
meaning that the subject believes that an actually harmless
condition is harmful much the same way one thinks that placebo
is helpful.

The professor attributes the problems to media attention
to mobile phone radiation: "Life is hard enough as is;
we don't need the extra problems caused by media hype."

Somebody named Stian Jensen has posted an interesting
comment:

"Payed research?

I am sceptical to this alledged research. NTNU has
always uncritically embraced technology and contributed
without regard to negative consequences. Thus, the report
lacks credibility and should be disregarded."

Rune

Rune Allnor wrote:
> On 14 Okt, 21:54, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
>> Sadly, it appears that these audio sites aren't spoofs.  :(
>>
>> I suppose, though, that it can be argued that this sort of thing is no
>> worse than providing a mortgage loan to someone who has no hope of
>> paying it back.
>>
>> Sigh.
> 
> Psychology is indeed a depressing subject.
> 
> Over here there has been lots of storys about people
> suffering from 'EM radiation allergy' - people claim
> to become ill in the vicinity of sources of low-power
> EM radiation (it used to be power lines, these days
> it's mobile phones).
> 
> http://aftenbladet.no/magasin/helse/927018/Mediefokus_paa_mobilstraaling_kan_foraarsake_hodepine.html
> 
> The newspaper article linked above describes an experiment
> performed at NTNU (The Norwegian University of Science
> and Technology) where 17 subjects who suffer from this
> form of 'radiation sickness' were examined.
> 
> The subjects were studied both with and without exposure
> to radiation.
> 
> Professor Stovner: "It turned ut that the subjects experienced
> headaches independently of radiation levels actually present.
> In other words, the headaches were not caused by the radiation."
> 
> The experimenters excluded stress as cause of the headache,
> and attribute the problem to the noncebo effect, noncebo
> meaning that the subject believes that an actually harmless
> condition is harmful much the same way one thinks that placebo
> is helpful.
> 
> The professor attributes the problems to media attention
> to mobile phone radiation: "Life is hard enough as is;
> we don't need the extra problems caused by media hype."
> 
> Somebody named Stian Jensen has posted an interesting
> comment:
> 
> "Payed research?
> 
> I am sceptical to this alledged research. NTNU has
> always uncritically embraced technology and contributed
> without regard to negative consequences. Thus, the report
> lacks credibility and should be disregarded."

This is not new. 60 years ago, a lady I knew (she had been the chef at a 
summer resort hotel where I had also worked) prevailed on me to play 
handyman in her permanent home. (Some rewiring, etc.) I changed some 
lightbulbs she couldn'r reach. There were more burned-out ones than 
spares, so I left some sockets empty. She had me put some burned-out 
ones back, "so the elecrticity shouldn'r leak." I ridiculed the idea, 
pointing all the outlets with no plugs in them. She freaked at the 
thought. I went out and bunch a bunch of child-proofing plugs so she 
could relax. (She had grown up with gas lights in the house.)

Jerry
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Rune Allnor wrote:

> Psychology is indeed a depressing subject.
> 
> Over here there has been lots of storys about people
> suffering from 'EM radiation allergy' - people claim
> to become ill in the vicinity of sources of low-power
> EM radiation (it used to be power lines, these days
> it's mobile phones).
> 
> http://aftenbladet.no/magasin/helse/927018/Mediefokus_paa_mobilstraaling_kan_foraarsake_hodepine.html
> 
> The newspaper article linked above describes an experiment
> performed at NTNU (The Norwegian University of Science
> and Technology) where 17 subjects who suffer from this
> form of 'radiation sickness' were examined.
> 
> The subjects were studied both with and without exposure
> to radiation.
> 
> Professor Stovner: "It turned ut that the subjects experienced
> headaches independently of radiation levels actually present.
> In other words, the headaches were not caused by the radiation."

There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been erected
on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house started to develop
syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been taken into use
yet. Scientists concluded that fear of EM radiation may be more dangerous to 
health than the radiation itsself.

bye
Andreas
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Andreas wrote:

> There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been erected
> on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house started to develop
> syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been taken into use
> yet.

This is a typical urban legend. I've heard it here in Switzerland as
well. Until I see a tangible reference, I don't believe it.

Regards,
andor

On 15 Okt, 12:44, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andreas wrote:
> > There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been erected
> > on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house started to develop
> > syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been taken into use
> > yet.
>
> This is a typical urban legend. I've heard it here in Switzerland as
> well. Until I see a tangible reference, I don't believe it.

While only a documented case would settle the discussion, I have
no problems whatsoever to believe that this can happen.

Some time in the mid '90s the war sirens went off in the city where
I lived, 'Important message: Turn on the radio!' We did, and learned
that there had been a release of potentially harmful gases in the
middle of the city - everyone were adviced to stay indoor and
keep windows and doors closed. Not more than that. It might be worth
noting that there are no gas mains in Norway, so there is absolutely
no reason why there should be any gas anywhere, so no one who heard
the radio message had the faintest clue what this might have been.

It turned out that somebody had lit one of those plastic road
marker cones on fire and thrown it down a manhole into the sewers.
The gas monitoring gear in the sewer system had detected the gases
released by the fire (which had burned out after a couple of minutes)
and the gas alarm had gone off. Somebody saw the sewer gas alarm,
panicked and set off the wartime warning sirens.

In hindsight everybody were mad because the wartime warning
sirens had been used. As far as I know, that was the only time
those sirens were used outside planned excercises since the end
of WWII. The psychological effects on the population caused by
the sirens were far worse than any danger posed by gas short of
an attack with chemical weapons (which was considered highly
unlikely in -94, before the -95 Tokyo metro attack) or a
Seveso/Bophal-type industrial release (no sources anywhere
near the city).

Rune

On 15 Okt., 13:14, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
> On 15 Okt, 12:44, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andreas wrote:
> > > There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been erected
> > > on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house started to develop
> > > syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been taken into use
> > > yet.
>
> > This is a typical urban legend. I've heard it here in Switzerland as
> > well. Until I see a tangible reference, I don't believe it.
>
> While only a documented case would settle the discussion, I have
> no problems whatsoever to believe that this can happen.

Sure, when I see the document, I'll believe too (can one call it
believe if it has been proved?). The placebo effect has been extremely
well documented in the medical sciences, where one typically doesn't
test agains a null hypotheses of "the new medicine under test fares
better than no medicine (control group)" but "the new medicine under
test fares better a placebo". The differences are startling.

>
> Some time in the mid '90s the war sirens went off in the city where
> I lived, 'Important message: Turn on the radio!' We did, and learned
> that there had been a release of potentially harmful gases in the
> middle of the city - everyone were adviced to stay indoor and
> keep windows and doors closed. Not more than that. It might be worth
> noting that there are no gas mains in Norway, so there is absolutely
> no reason why there should be any gas anywhere, so no one who heard
> the radio message had the faintest clue what this might have been.
>
> It turned out that somebody had lit one of those plastic road
> marker cones on fire and thrown it down a manhole into the sewers.
> The gas monitoring gear in the sewer system had detected the gases
> released by the fire (which had burned out after a couple of minutes)
> and the gas alarm had gone off. Somebody saw the sewer gas alarm,
> panicked and set off the wartime warning sirens.
>
> In hindsight everybody were mad because the wartime warning
> sirens had been used. As far as I know, that was the only time
> those sirens were used outside planned excercises since the end
> of WWII. The psychological effects on the population caused by
> the sirens were far worse than any danger posed by gas short of
> an attack with chemical weapons (which was considered highly
> unlikely in -94, before the -95 Tokyo metro attack) or a
> Seveso/Bophal-type industrial release (no sources anywhere
> near the city).

Seems more of a problem of undefined emergency processes than placebo?

Regards,
Andor

On 15 Okt, 14:00, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 Okt., 13:14, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
>
> > On 15 Okt, 12:44, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Andreas wrote:
> > > > There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been erected
> > > > on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house started to develop
> > > > syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been taken into use
> > > > yet.
>
> > > This is a typical urban legend. I've heard it here in Switzerland as
> > > well. Until I see a tangible reference, I don't believe it.
>
> > While only a documented case would settle the discussion, I have
> > no problems whatsoever to believe that this can happen.
>
> Sure, when I see the document, I'll believe too (can one call it
> believe if it has been proved?). The placebo effect has been extremely
> well documented in the medical sciences, where one typically doesn't
> test agains a null hypotheses of "the new medicine under test fares
> better than no medicine (control group)" but "the new medicine under
> test fares better a placebo". The differences are startling.

Sure, but if you accept the placebo effect as real (that is, people
who have recieved treatment that does not contain active ingredients
experience an improvement in the condition) then one must necessarily
accept psychology as an active ingredient in the treatment and thus
other aspects of health.

The case Andreas mentioned would, if real, be caused by the nocebo
effect (people think there is a harmful agent present in their
environment while in fact it is not). A similar psychological
mechanism as placebo, but with a different effect.

> > Some time in the mid '90s the war sirens went off in the city where
> > I lived, 'Important message: Turn on the radio!'
....
> Seems more of a problem of undefined emergency processes than placebo?

There were firm revisions of the emergency procedures after the
event.

As for the psychological impact, the incident happened just a few
years
after the end of the cold war, so we were still very aware of what
the
sirens used to signify.

Not surprisingly, before 1991 excercises and tests of the sirens were
usually announced days in advance in nation-wide media to make sure
people knew what was going on. Excercises and test were always held
at 12 noon, so even if somebody missed the announcements they would
have an idea that it was a test by checking the time.

All these safeguards and routines were there to ensure people knew
that the sirens were tested and not used 'for real'. Everybody knew
all too well the significance of them going off 'for real'.

Rune

On Oct 14, 4:02=A0pm, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
> c...@claysturner.com wrote:
> > Years ago, when people were getting into all of the "magnet stuff",
> > I.e., like sleeping on a bed of magnets to cure back problems or
> > putting a magnet by the fuel line in your car to improve mileage. We
> > put the ads up on the bulletin board outside of the physics office and
> > asked students to identify as many violations of physics that they
> > could find. For example, magnetizing a liquid.
>
> Since the subject is HiFi, some years ago magnetic liquids
> became popular to help cool speaker voice coils. =A0(I presume
> suspended magnetic particles in a liquid base.) =A0Otherwise,
> liquid oxygen is paramagnetic, as can be demonstrated by
> pouring it near the gap of a strong electromagnet.
> (One of my favorite physics lecture demonstrations.)
>
> -- glen


In fact there are oxygen sensors based upon the paramagnetivity of the
molecules. But paramagnetism is simply a response to an induction
field. As soon as the liquid moves aways from the field, its molecules
go back to random order.

Even ferroliquids are not ferromagnetic. They are strongly
paramagnetic. I can certainly see a use in speaker magnet/voice coil
structures where the liquid can help carry away the heat and still
provide a good magnetic coupling.

Liquid oxygen is a neat and famous example for your experiment, since
valance bond models won't explain its paramagnetism. One must use a
more complete molecular bond model to have electrons with unpaired
spins for oxygen.

Clay

On Oct 15, 9:06=A0am, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
> On 15 Okt, 14:00, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 15 Okt., 13:14, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
>
> > > On 15 Okt, 12:44, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Andreas wrote:
> > > > > There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been=
 erected
> > > > > on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house st=
arted to develop
> > > > > syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been=
 taken into use
> > > > > yet.
>
> > > > This is a typical urban legend. I've heard it here in Switzerland a=
s
> > > > well. Until I see a tangible reference, I don't believe it.
>
> > > While only a documented case would settle the discussion, I have
> > > no problems whatsoever to believe that this can happen.
>
> > Sure, when I see the document, I'll believe too (can one call it
> > believe if it has been proved?). The placebo effect has been extremely
> > well documented in the medical sciences, where one typically doesn't
> > test agains a null hypotheses of "the new medicine under test fares
> > better than no medicine (control group)" but "the new medicine under
> > test fares better a placebo". The differences are startling.
>
> Sure, but if you accept the placebo effect as real (that is, people
> who have recieved treatment that does not contain active ingredients
> experience an improvement in the condition) then one must necessarily
> accept psychology as an active ingredient in the treatment and thus
> other aspects of health.
>
> The case Andreas mentioned would, if real, be caused by the nocebo
> effect (people think there is a harmful agent present in their
> environment while in fact it is not). A similar psychological
> mechanism as placebo, but with a different effect.
>
>
>
> > > Some time in the mid '90s the war sirens went off in the city where
> > > I lived, 'Important message: Turn on the radio!'
> ...
> > Seems more of a problem of undefined emergency processes than placebo?
>
> There were firm revisions of the emergency procedures after the
> event.
>
> As for the psychological impact, the incident happened just a few
> years
> after the end of the cold war, so we were still very aware of what
> the
> sirens used to signify.
>
> Not surprisingly, before 1991 excercises and tests of the sirens were
> usually announced days in advance in nation-wide media to make sure
> people knew what was going on. Excercises and test were always held
> at 12 noon, so even if somebody missed the announcements they would
> have an idea that it was a test by checking the time.
>
> All these safeguards and routines were there to ensure people knew
> that the sirens were tested and not used 'for real'. Everybody knew
> all too well the significance of them going off 'for real'.
>
> Rune- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We have tornado sirens go off every wednesday at noon as part of the
system test. Let's just hope a real tornado doesn't happen on
wednesday at noon. I hear the sirens and glance at my watch. Of course
if the weather is looking bad, then I'll check the weather radar on
the tv or internet.  A few months back I was out in the middle of one
of my pastures because the weather was threatening and tornados were
expected so I put the horses up - they were hailed on the night before
and quite upset. While outside, I had two calls to my cellphone from
friends saying the tornado was coming my way. During the 2nd call, I
told Jorge' I could see the tornado and it was going to miss me by
about a half a mile. But I thanked them both for their concern. I did
get a bunch of hail though.  One of my neighbors did lose their barn.
Fortunately their horses were out in other sheds and were all okay.

Clay

Andor wrote:

> Andreas wrote:
> 
>> There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been erected
>> on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house started to
>> develop syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been
>> taken into use yet.
> 
> This is a typical urban legend. I've heard it here in Switzerland as
> well. Until I see a tangible reference, I don't believe it.

There is an article in a german newspaper:
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,273793,00.html

Citation:
"In einer Testreihe hatten Wissenschaftler des Forschungszentrums f�r Elektro-Magnetische 
 Umweltvertr�glichkeit (FEMU) Hausbewohnern eine Antenne aufs Dach gebaut. Prompt klagten
 einige Personen �ber Kopfschmerzen oder konnten nicht einschlafen. "Da war die Antenne aber 
 noch gar nicht eingeschaltet", sagt FEMU-Leiter Jiri Silny. 
In English:
 "During a row of tests scientists of the science center for eletromagnetic environmental safety
  (FEMU) erected an antenna on the roof of the house. Immediately afterwards people living in 
  this house started to complain about headaches, or could not fell asleep. "But the antenna had
  not been powered on yet", said the leader of FEMU,  Jiri Silny. 

I looked on the wab page of FEMU but could not find a report (there are both too many articles,
and not all are online).

bye
Andreas
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On 16 Okt., 09:20, Andreas Huennebeck <a...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Andor wrote:
> > Andreas wrote:
>
> >> There was a house in Germany where a mobile base station had been erected
> >> on its top. Immediately afterwards people living in this house started to
> >> develop syndroms of real sickness. However, the base station had not been
> >> taken into use yet.
>
> > This is a typical urban legend. I've heard it here in Switzerland as
> > well. Until I see a tangible reference, I don't believe it.
>
> There is an article in a german newspaper:http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,273793,00.html

Hi Andreas

Thanks for looking it up. However, I found the video of the polar
hurricane on Mars on the same page more interesting :-).

Regards,
Andor

On 15 Okt, 19:27, c...@claysturner.com wrote:

> We have tornado sirens go off every wednesday at noon as part of the
> system test. Let's just hope a real tornado doesn't happen on
> wednesday at noon.

Tornadoes - seem spooky to me! I'll prefer storm and 12 m waves
at sea any time. Not that there's ever been a choise, though...

When in university I had a summer vacancy on a metal plant.
That plant also had warning sirens, which were (and still are)
tested every monday at 12 noon. One can hear the things
5 km away.

I worked in the middle of the main production facility on the
plant, but I can't remeber ever hearing any of those tests while
at work during my six or seven seasons there. So it's hard to
imagine what the purpose of the sirens might be: Since we didn't
hear them, they served no purpose as an evacuation signal.
On the one or two occasions when they were used 'for real' their
main effect was to upset relatives of workers, who lived in the
village nearby.

And on the one occasion I was at work when we really
evacuated the facility, the sirens weren't used at all.

On the other hand, they make a certain impression on
unsuspecting bystanders and vistors to the village, when
they are tested.

Oh well.

Rune

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:21:42 -0500, Vladimir Vassilevsky
<antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Well, we know about monster cables and such, however what do you think 
>about this stuff:
>
>http://www.kosmic.us/access-acousticrevive.html
>
>:-)

   Yeah, but I've never heard of any of those brand names. This $499
Ethernet cable, however, is made by the quality folks at Denon:

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp#

There are a variety of opinions about it posted on Amazon's page for
the product:

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000I1X6PM/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/105-8770533-9603641?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

>
>
>Vladimir Vassilevsky
>DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
>http://www.abvolt.com
>