I'm looking to use an Apple Panther system font (Zapfino) for a logo.  I 
cannot find any information if system fonts like these can be used for 
commercial use. I know Linotype's version of this font is copyrighted and 
fees apply.

Thanks 

Also sprach/Thus spake Lux:
> I'm looking to use an Apple Panther system font (Zapfino) for a logo.
> I cannot find any information if system fonts like these can be used
> for commercial use. I know Linotype's version of this font is
> copyrighted and fees apply.

Fees for a license. But if you legally own or use the system
you have that license, so go ahead.

Andreas

Andreas H�feld wrote:

> Also sprach/Thus spake Lux:
> 
>> I'm looking to use an Apple Panther system font (Zapfino) for a 
>> logo. [...] I know Linotype's version of this font is copyrighted 
>> and fees apply.
> 
> Fees for a license. But if you legally own or use the system you have 
> that license, so go ahead.

But one problem still remains: One cannot possibly make a good logo with 
Zapfino.

-- 
Lars Trebing  |  http://www.ltrebing.de/  |  mailto:ltrebing@ltrebing.de

"Lux" <lux@nospam_icanon.org> wrote in message news:<_Fsod.9$b%1.5@text.usenetserver.com>...
> I'm looking to use an Apple Panther system font (Zapfino) for a logo.  I 
> cannot find any information if system fonts like these can be used for 
> commercial use. I know Linotype's version of this font is copyrighted and 
> fees apply.


If Apple or anyone else wants to limit what you can do with the
software they sold you, they need to make it explicit. Linotype's
Licensing terms are here
<http://www.linotype.com/1710/licenseagreement-folder.html> 

But my personal opinion, not being a lawyer, is that once you have
rendered the font, either to bitmap or "convert to curves", the
resulting art belongs to you. As long as you don't convert this back
to a font and distribute it, AS A FONT, you should be fine. Linotype's
license talks about "font software", but in your logo it's no longer a
font, but a simple graphic.

Also sprach/Thus spake Lars Trebing:
> Andreas H�feld wrote:
>
>> Also sprach/Thus spake Lux:
>>
>>> I'm looking to use an Apple Panther system font (Zapfino) for a
>>> logo. [...] I know Linotype's version of this font is copyrighted
>>> and fees apply.
>>
>> Fees for a license. But if you legally own or use the system you have
>> that license, so go ahead.
>
> But one problem still remains: One cannot possibly make a good logo
> with Zapfino.

I think that depends on the line of trade you're in
and has nothing to do with license questions :-)

Gru�
Andreas