Hello,
can somebody tell me where can i discover the Helvetica family font for pc?

thanx
Dade 

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Dade wrote:

> can somebody tell me where can i discover the Helvetica family font for pc?

http://www.linotype.com/

"Andreas Prilop" <Prilop2007@trashmail.net> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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> On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Dade wrote:
>
>> can somebody tell me where can i discover the Helvetica family font for 
>> pc?
>
> http://www.linotype.com/

Ehmm... i was looking for helvetica for free :) Is it possible to find it? 
also by email... 

On 9/10/2007 2:56 AM, Dade wrote:
> Hello,
> can somebody tell me where can i discover the Helvetica family font for pc?
> 
> thanx
> Dade 

I suggest you use Arial as a substitute.  The differences between Arial
and Helvetica are minor, primarily in the upper-case G and the weight of
the tilde over N (both upper- and lower-case).

In win.ini (still used in Windows XP), I have
	Helvetica=Arial
under [FontSubstitutes].  While I have both on my PC (which is how I was
able to compare them), Helvetica is "uninstalled".

-- 

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.

Anyone who thinks government owns a monopoly on inefficient, obstructive
bureaucracy has obviously never worked for a large corporation. � 1997

David E. Ross wrote:

> On 9/10/2007 2:56 AM, Dade wrote:
> 
>>Hello,
>>can somebody tell me where can i discover the Helvetica family font for pc?
>>
>>thanx
>>Dade 
> 
> 
> I suggest you use Arial as a substitute.  The differences between Arial
> and Helvetica are minor, primarily in the upper-case G and the weight of
> the tilde over N (both upper- and lower-case).
> 


Aaarrgghh...

Most people don't consider the differences to be "minor". Arial was 
designed to mimic Helvetica's metrics, so if substituting there 
wouldn't be re-flow problems (although, in the pair I'm looking at 
right now, Arial's lower case alphabet is slightly narrower).

There are major differences - the R, the a, the E and F, the "color" 
of almost all the glyphs, the shape of the bowls (Arial's are more 
elongated), Arial's lower case is "taller" relative to the width of 
the glyphs, Arial's C and S terminations are slanted, Helvetica's are 
horizontal, and much more.

BUT - I agree that for someone seeking a free Helvetica, it's probably 
good enough.

  - Character

> In win.ini (still used in Windows XP), I have
> 	Helvetica=Arial
> under [FontSubstitutes].  While I have both on my PC (which is how I was
> able to compare them), Helvetica is "uninstalled".
> 

> I suggest you use Arial as a substitute.  The differences between Arial
> and Helvetica are minor, primarily in the upper-case G and the weight of
> the tilde over N (both upper- and lower-case).

Minor in character shapes but major in spacing. Helvetica in basic 35  
Postscript set is too tight and very uneven.

Jukka

Scripsit Dade:

> Ehmm... i was looking for helvetica for free :)

Not surprising, but Andreas answered the question you actually asked.

> Is it possible to find it? also by email...

So you are asking others to commit a crime to help you avoid spending your 
money. They have nothing to win and quite a lot to lose, so you are expect 
people to be stupid in addition to being ignorant.

-- 
Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ 

On 9/10/2007 8:31 AM, Character wrote [in part]:
> I previously wrote [also in part]:
>> I suggest you use Arial as a substitute.  The differences between Arial
>> and Helvetica are minor, primarily in the upper-case G and the weight of
>> the tilde over N (both upper- and lower-case).
> 
> Most people don't consider the differences to be "minor". Arial was 
> designed to mimic Helvetica's metrics, so if substituting there 
> wouldn't be re-flow problems (although, in the pair I'm looking at 
> right now, Arial's lower case alphabet is slightly narrower).
> 
> There are major differences - the R, the a, the E and F, the "color" 
> of almost all the glyphs, the shape of the bowls (Arial's are more 
> elongated), Arial's lower case is "taller" relative to the width of 
> the glyphs, Arial's C and S terminations are slanted, Helvetica's are 
> horizontal, and much more.

I took a closer look.

The position of the tail on R is indeed different.  The arch on r is
subtly different.

The tail of the a is subtly different.  The tail of Q is subtly
different.  The lengths of the middle horizontals on E and F are
different.

However, viewing the entire upper- and lower-case alphabets plus the 10
numberals of both, Arial on top and Hevetica below, they have the same
overall spacing.  The spacing seems to differ in the symbols.

In general, I prefer the appearance of Arial.  The quote and apostrophe
have a narrowing at the bottom that is missing in Helvetica.  The more
simple Arial G looks better to me.  (De gustibus non est desputandum.)
The tail on the Arial Q has a slight curve.  (But the Helvetica R looks
good.)  The down strokes on the Arial $ and � are closer in weight to
the rest of the symbols than with the Helvetica symbols.  The zeros in
the Arial % are oval, which I think looks better than the circular zeros
in Helvetica.

Since Arial was developed as a substitute for Helvetica, why not use it
as such?

Note:  I was comparing Arial version 2.82 from Monotype Typography with
Helvetica 1.3 from Hewlett-Packard.  I noticed that the Arial on my PC
is "installable embedding allowed" while the Helvetica is only "editable
embedding allowed".

-- 

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.

The only reason we have so many laws is that not enough people will do
the right thing.  (� 1997)

David E. Ross wrote:

> On 9/10/2007 8:31 AM, Character wrote [in part]:
> 
>>I previously wrote [also in part]:
>>
>>>I suggest you use Arial as a substitute.  The differences between Arial
>>>and Helvetica are minor, primarily in the upper-case G and the weight of
>>>the tilde over N (both upper- and lower-case).
>>
>>Most people don't consider the differences to be "minor". Arial was 
>>designed to mimic Helvetica's metrics, so if substituting there 
>>wouldn't be re-flow problems (although, in the pair I'm looking at 
>>right now, Arial's lower case alphabet is slightly narrower).
>>
>>There are major differences - the R, the a, the E and F, the "color" 
>>of almost all the glyphs, the shape of the bowls (Arial's are more 
>>elongated), Arial's lower case is "taller" relative to the width of 
>>the glyphs, Arial's C and S terminations are slanted, Helvetica's are 
>>horizontal, and much more.
> 
> 
> I took a closer look.
> 
> The position of the tail on R is indeed different.  The arch on r is
> subtly different.
> 
> The tail of the a is subtly different. 

Subtlity is in the mind of the beholder :)  Or maybe it depends on the 
version (although it shouldn't)

>  The tail of Q is subtly
> different.  The lengths of the middle horizontals on E and F are
> different.

So is their relative positioning.

> However, viewing the entire upper- and lower-case alphabets plus the 10
> numberals of both, Arial on top and Hevetica below, they have the same
> overall spacing.  The spacing seems to differ in the symbols.

> In general, I prefer the appearance of Arial.  The quote and apostrophe
> have a narrowing at the bottom that is missing in Helvetica.  The more
> simple Arial G looks better to me.  (De gustibus non est desputandum.)
> The tail on the Arial Q has a slight curve.  (But the Helvetica R looks
> good.)  The down strokes on the Arial $ and � are closer in weight to
> the rest of the symbols than with the Helvetica symbols.  The zeros in
> the Arial % are oval, which I think looks better than the circular zeros
> in Helvetica.

> Since Arial was developed as a substitute for Helvetica, why not use it
> as such?

It wasn't. It was developed as an economic alternative, not an 
artistic alternative, because Microsoft didn't want to pay Linotype's 
outrageous fees for distributing Helvetica.  There are other 
MS-suppled fonts in the same category.

See
http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html
http://www.iliveonyourvisits.com/helvetica/

> Note:  I was comparing Arial version 2.82 from Monotype Typography with
> Helvetica 1.3 from Hewlett-Packard.

Arial 3.0 vs. Adobe Helvetica c.1997

> I noticed that the Arial on my PC
> is "installable embedding allowed" while the Helvetica is only "editable
> embedding allowed".

Microsoft-supplied fonts tend to be the ONLY commercial fonts issued 
with installable embedding. Which is a totally moot point today, since 
no application exists that can or will install instllable fonts. MS 
Word 97 would automatically install them if included in a Word 
document; Adobe products never would under any circumstances.

  - Character

"Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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> Scripsit Dade:
>
>> Ehmm... i was looking for helvetica for free :)
>
> Not surprising, but Andreas answered the question you actually asked.
>
>> Is it possible to find it? also by email...
>
> So you are asking others to commit a crime to help you avoid spending your 
> money. They have nothing to win and quite a lot to lose, so you are expect 
> people to be stupid in addition to being ignorant.

no, i was asking others for a link where, if is possible, find helvetica for 
free...

>
> -- 
> Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ 

On Sep 11, 7:03 pm, "Dade" <cucca77NOS...@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com>
wrote:

> no, i was asking others for a link where, if is possible, find helvetica for
> free...


http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22hv______.pfb%22+index&btnG=Search

Character <Char@cters.old.style> wrote:
> There are major differences - the R, the a, the E and F, the "color" 
> of almost all the glyphs, the shape of the bowls (Arial's are more 
> elongated), Arial's lower case is "taller" relative to the width of 
> the glyphs, Arial's C and S terminations are slanted, Helvetica's are 
> horizontal, and much more.

and the very characteristic "1" looks completely different in Helvetica.
Helvetica's 1 is really unique

http://www.wandco.com/wp-content/uploads/solaricifra3.jpg

/ralph
-- 
Rettet die Wale und stürzt das System, und trennt euren Müll, 
denn viel Mist ist nicht schön!"
                                    Gustav, "Rettet die Wale"

On Sep 11, 8:58 pm, "tcfs1e...@sneakemail.com"
<tcfs1e...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 7:03 pm, "Dade" <cucca77NOS...@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > no, i was asking others for a link where, if is possible, find helvetica for
> > free...
>
> http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22hv______.pfb%22+index&btnG=Search

Also, I recall older versions of Adobe Acrobat (reader) include
Helvetica and Times.
Look in the program folder, you'll find a folder full of type 1 fonts.
Copy these to your system fonts folder, or however you install fonts
on your OS, and then you can use them in any program.
I think version 3 has Helvetica, version 4 and later use Arial.
See http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=acrobat