Is it possible to install a font on Win XP by just copying the font to
the Font Applet in the Control Panel?

I just tried it and it seemed to work. I got the message "Font
installation in progress" and the font was immediately available in
Word.

The Microsoft website has a complicated and error-prone procedure
involving the DOS box:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314960

MyFonts.com has a simpler, but still more complicated procedure
involving the Control Panel and locating the font file:

http://www.myfonts.com/support/help_install_win.html

I guess I am wondering why these instructions are so complicated if a
simple copy will do the trick.

Heather Mills wrote:

> Is it possible to install a font on Win XP by just copying the font to
> the Font Applet in the Control Panel?
> 
> I just tried it and it seemed to work. I got the message "Font
> installation in progress" and the font was immediately available in
> Word.
> 
> The Microsoft website has a complicated and error-prone procedure
> involving the DOS box:
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314960
> 
> MyFonts.com has a simpler, but still more complicated procedure
> involving the Control Panel and locating the font file:
> 
> http://www.myfonts.com/support/help_install_win.html
> 
> I guess I am wondering why these instructions are so complicated if a
> simple copy will do the trick.

They are really equivalent.

The icon in Control Panel isn't any kind of 'applet'. It's a shortcut 
to c:\windows\fonts. So copying onto the icon is the same as dragging 
or copying into the folder, which is an acceptable means of installing 
a font.

The MS instructions are tailored to work regardless of various user 
options that may have been chosen. For example, it refers to %windir%, 
whose default is C:\Windows\, but can be changed.

Copying is better than dragging; the way Windows works, if you drag a 
file from one folder to another on the same disk drive, it will MOVE 
the file, deleting it from the source folder. If you copy it, the 
original is left in place. From one device or logical drive to 
another, COPY is the default drag operation.

Type 1 fonts, by the way, consist of TWO files, a .pfm and a .pfb. If 
fonts are being installed by copying, they must BOTH be copied together.

Yet another, even simpler way to install a font, is to set up 
C:\Windows\Fonts as a "Send To" target, seen by right-clicking a file 
in Windows Explorer. Then you just right-click and select 'Send To' 
and click on the Fonts Folder.

If you're only testing, or using a font one time only, it's not 
necessary to permanently install it at all! You can double-click on it 
to view it in FontView, and as long as that view window is open, 
whether visible or minimized to the task bar, the font will be 
available for use.

Some applications need to be re-started to recognize a new font, while 
others can recognize them dynamically,

  - Character

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:52:10 -0800, Character <Char@cters.bold.italic>
wrote:

>Heather Mills wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to install a font on Win XP by just copying the font to
>> the Font Applet in the Control Panel?
>> 
>> I just tried it and it seemed to work. I got the message "Font
>> installation in progress" and the font was immediately available in
>> Word.
>> 
>> The Microsoft website has a complicated and error-prone procedure
>> involving the DOS box:
>> 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314960
>> 
>> MyFonts.com has a simpler, but still more complicated procedure
>> involving the Control Panel and locating the font file:
>> 
>> http://www.myfonts.com/support/help_install_win.html
>> 
>> I guess I am wondering why these instructions are so complicated if a
>> simple copy will do the trick.
>
>They are really equivalent.
>
>The icon in Control Panel isn't any kind of 'applet'. It's a shortcut 
>to c:\windows\fonts. So copying onto the icon is the same as dragging 
>or copying into the folder, which is an acceptable means of installing 
>a font.
>
>The MS instructions are tailored to work regardless of various user 
>options that may have been chosen. For example, it refers to %windir%, 
>whose default is C:\Windows\, but can be changed.
>
>Copying is better than dragging; the way Windows works, if you drag a 
>file from one folder to another on the same disk drive, it will MOVE 
>the file, deleting it from the source folder. If you copy it, the 
>original is left in place. From one device or logical drive to 
>another, COPY is the default drag operation.
>
>Type 1 fonts, by the way, consist of TWO files, a .pfm and a .pfb. If 
>fonts are being installed by copying, they must BOTH be copied together.
>
>Yet another, even simpler way to install a font, is to set up 
>C:\Windows\Fonts as a "Send To" target, seen by right-clicking a file 
>in Windows Explorer. Then you just right-click and select 'Send To' 
>and click on the Fonts Folder.
>
>If you're only testing, or using a font one time only, it's not 
>necessary to permanently install it at all! You can double-click on it 
>to view it in FontView, and as long as that view window is open, 
>whether visible or minimized to the task bar, the font will be 
>available for use.
>
>Some applications need to be re-started to recognize a new font, while 
>others can recognize them dynamically,
>
>  - Character

Very, very thorough and helpful reply. Thank you so much.

Although I have at times just copied fonts into the Fonts folder, in general 
I use the File | Install New Font command in the Fonts folder and navigate 
to where the font is stored. I gather from something I've read here or 
elsewhere that this function is no longer available in Windows 7 (I have W7 
on my laptop but haven't investigated this), and that the only way to 
"install" fonts is to copy or drag them to the folder. I wonder how many 
people, used to the old way, would even think of this.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Character" <Char@cters.bold.italic> wrote in message 
news:L9bLo.444712$pX3.27829@en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com...
> Heather Mills wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to install a font on Win XP by just copying the font to
>> the Font Applet in the Control Panel?
>>
>> I just tried it and it seemed to work. I got the message "Font
>> installation in progress" and the font was immediately available in
>> Word.
>>
>> The Microsoft website has a complicated and error-prone procedure
>> involving the DOS box:
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314960
>>
>> MyFonts.com has a simpler, but still more complicated procedure
>> involving the Control Panel and locating the font file:
>>
>> http://www.myfonts.com/support/help_install_win.html
>>
>> I guess I am wondering why these instructions are so complicated if a
>> simple copy will do the trick.
>
> They are really equivalent.
>
> The icon in Control Panel isn't any kind of 'applet'. It's a shortcut to 
> c:\windows\fonts. So copying onto the icon is the same as dragging or 
> copying into the folder, which is an acceptable means of installing a 
> font.
>
> The MS instructions are tailored to work regardless of various user 
> options that may have been chosen. For example, it refers to %windir%, 
> whose default is C:\Windows\, but can be changed.
>
> Copying is better than dragging; the way Windows works, if you drag a file 
> from one folder to another on the same disk drive, it will MOVE the file, 
> deleting it from the source folder. If you copy it, the original is left 
> in place. From one device or logical drive to another, COPY is the default 
> drag operation.
>
> Type 1 fonts, by the way, consist of TWO files, a .pfm and a .pfb. If 
> fonts are being installed by copying, they must BOTH be copied together.
>
> Yet another, even simpler way to install a font, is to set up 
> C:\Windows\Fonts as a "Send To" target, seen by right-clicking a file in 
> Windows Explorer. Then you just right-click and select 'Send To' and click 
> on the Fonts Folder.
>
> If you're only testing, or using a font one time only, it's not necessary 
> to permanently install it at all! You can double-click on it to view it in 
> FontView, and as long as that view window is open, whether visible or 
> minimized to the task bar, the font will be available for use.
>
> Some applications need to be re-started to recognize a new font, while 
> others can recognize them dynamically,
>
>  - Character 

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 13:21:21 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:

> Although I have at times just copied fonts into the Fonts folder, in general
> I use the File | Install New Font command in the Fonts folder and navigate
> to where the font is stored. I gather from something I've read here or
> elsewhere that this function is no longer available in Windows 7 (I have W7
> on my laptop but haven't investigated this), and that the only way to
> "install" fonts is to copy or drag them to the folder. I wonder how many
> people, used to the old way, would even think of this.

Am I wrong in seeming to remember that, in Win 3.1, copying 'em over was the *only* way?

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

On 12/7/2010 1:21 PM, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> I gather from something I've
> read here or elsewhere that this function is no longer available in
> Windows 7 (I have W7 on my laptop but haven't investigated this), and
> that the only way to "install" fonts is to copy or drag them to the
> folder.


Yes, dragging or copying them works, as does MS's recommended method of 
right-clicking on the font and choosing "Install" or "Install as 
shortcut". The fonts folder no longer has a File > Install New Font 
command, which is fine if you just downloaded a font and you want to 
install it without actually locating the Fonts folder, but it's a great 
big problem if you have 22,000 fonts with filenames like "ocon482.pfm" 
and you want to choose from a list.

This is one of those brilliant ideas someone in the back of a taxi came 
up with: "Gee, let's remove the File > Install New Font command, because 
I only have two fonts and I'm going to install them once and never do 
anything else with them. I'm a PC, and Windows 7 was my idea." Great way 
to alienate the DTP crowd even further.

I fixed this by buying a font manager, but it seemed incredibly 
shortsighted, even for Microsoft.

Thomas

Thomas Brandt wrote:

> On 12/7/2010 1:21 PM, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> 
>> I gather from something I've
>> read here or elsewhere that this function is no longer available in
>> Windows 7 (I have W7 on my laptop but haven't investigated this), and
>> that the only way to "install" fonts is to copy or drag them to the
>> folder.
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, dragging or copying them works, as does MS's recommended method of 
> right-clicking on the font and choosing "Install" or "Install as 
> shortcut". The fonts folder no longer has a File > Install New Font 
> command, which is fine if you just downloaded a font and you want to 
> install it without actually locating the Fonts folder, but it's a great 
> big problem if you have 22,000 fonts with filenames like "ocon482.pfm" 
> and you want to choose from a list.
> 
> This is one of those brilliant ideas someone in the back of a taxi came 
> up with: "Gee, let's remove the File > Install New Font command, because 
> I only have two fonts and I'm going to install them once and never do 
> anything else with them. I'm a PC, and Windows 7 was my idea." Great way 
> to alienate the DTP crowd even further.
> 
> I fixed this by buying a font manager, but it seemed incredibly 
> shortsighted, even for Microsoft.
> 
> Thomas

Is it possible under Windows 7 to highlight multiple fonts and still 
get the 'Install' options? (Obviously, I don't have W7)

  - Character

On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 09:18:08 -0800, Character wrote:
> Is it possible under Windows 7 to highlight multiple fonts and still 
> get the 'Install' options? (Obviously, I don't have W7)

Yes, it is.

On 12/10/2010 12:18 PM, Character wrote:

> Is it possible under Windows 7 to highlight multiple fonts and still get
> the 'Install' options? (Obviously, I don't have W7)


Yes. For Type 1 fonts, you must right-click the PFM, but it will offer 
the Install choice for any range of PFMs and PFBs (and other files too, 
I just tried it with a JPG in there) as long as you right-click on a PFM 
within the range.

The problem, of course, is that you must know what font the font file 
represents. I just tried this with a random font in my A folder, 
atof____.pfm. If I double-click on this file, I get a preview of some 
ugly computery-looking font, but the preview doesn't show me the font 
name. Sure, I can install it, but what the hell is it? With only the 
basic Windows software, I can think of only two ways to find out what 
this font is: 1) install it, and see what's new in the list, or 2) open 
it in Notepad.

I think the right-click-on-font-and-Install option is great for people 
who download a few fonts and don't want to deal with finding the Fonts 
folder. Microsoft could have added this without removing File > Install 
New Font from the Fonts folder. The last time I needed a font manager 
was Windows 98. What a step backwards.

Thomas

Thomas Brandt wrote:
  If I double-click on this file, I get a preview of some
> ugly computery-looking font, but the preview doesn't show me the font 
> name.

Are you saying that Windows 7 doesn't have FontView? I can see some 
rational reasons for doing away with the 'special' qualities of the 
font folder, but not for eliminating the basic font viewer.

As far as I can find, Fontview is alive and well - it has always 
displayed the double-clicked font's Full Name (the family name plus 
the bold and italic attributes, if present).

The first thing I do with ALL acquired fonts is run them through a 
font renamer that changes the file names to the font names. The best 
of the lot is an inadequately publicized and promoted free program by 
Philip Engel named "RedEar's Font Renamer".

    - Character

Not sure if it's what you're referring to as FontView, but the Font 
Properties dialog does provide this information. I can recall when the 
"enhanced" or "expanded" (or some such word) Properties dialog had to be 
downloaded as an add-in, but presumably recent versions of Windows have 
included it as standard (I know I haven't knowingly installed it in a long 
time).

You made me curious, so I fired up my W7 laptop (time for a recharge, 
anyway), but I find that my Explorer navigation skills in W7 are so 
rudimentary that I can't find any way to access the Fonts folder except via 
Control Panel (I'm not allowed to open the Documents and Settings folders), 
and I haven't downloaded any new fonts, so I don't have anything in 
Downloads, so I'm unable to test this.

OTOH, if I double-click on a file in the Fonts folder, I do get the sample 
display that displays the font name.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Character" <Char@cters.bold.italic> wrote in message 
news:rBEMo.455758$pX3.101501@en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com...
> Thomas Brandt wrote:
>  If I double-click on this file, I get a preview of some
>> ugly computery-looking font, but the preview doesn't show me the font 
>> name.
>
> Are you saying that Windows 7 doesn't have FontView? I can see some 
> rational reasons for doing away with the 'special' qualities of the font 
> folder, but not for eliminating the basic font viewer.
>
> As far as I can find, Fontview is alive and well - it has always displayed 
> the double-clicked font's Full Name (the family name plus the bold and 
> italic attributes, if present).
>
> The first thing I do with ALL acquired fonts is run them through a font 
> renamer that changes the file names to the font names. The best of the lot 
> is an inadequately publicized and promoted free program by Philip Engel 
> named "RedEar's Font Renamer".
>
>    - Character
> 

Okay, I threw in the towel and searched for *.ttf (I can't even figure out 
how to search on W7 other than with WinKey+F). I can double-click on the 
font file and get the font viewer (which shows the font name), and I can 
right-click and choose Properties. The Font Properties dialog has only four 
tabs (as compared to 11 in WinXP), but the Details tab does give the font 
name and information on embeddability; still, there isn't the wealth of 
information on character set, hinting and smoothing, etc.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote in message 
news:ie08s0$pka$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Not sure if it's what you're referring to as FontView, but the Font 
> Properties dialog does provide this information. I can recall when the 
> "enhanced" or "expanded" (or some such word) Properties dialog had to be 
> downloaded as an add-in, but presumably recent versions of Windows have 
> included it as standard (I know I haven't knowingly installed it in a long 
> time).
>
> You made me curious, so I fired up my W7 laptop (time for a recharge, 
> anyway), but I find that my Explorer navigation skills in W7 are so 
> rudimentary that I can't find any way to access the Fonts folder except 
> via Control Panel (I'm not allowed to open the Documents and Settings 
> folders), and I haven't downloaded any new fonts, so I don't have anything 
> in Downloads, so I'm unable to test this.
>
> OTOH, if I double-click on a file in the Fonts folder, I do get the sample 
> display that displays the font name.
>
> -- 
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> http://word.mvps.org
>
> "Character" <Char@cters.bold.italic> wrote in message 
> news:rBEMo.455758$pX3.101501@en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com...
>> Thomas Brandt wrote:
>>  If I double-click on this file, I get a preview of some
>>> ugly computery-looking font, but the preview doesn't show me the font 
>>> name.
>>
>> Are you saying that Windows 7 doesn't have FontView? I can see some 
>> rational reasons for doing away with the 'special' qualities of the font 
>> folder, but not for eliminating the basic font viewer.
>>
>> As far as I can find, Fontview is alive and well - it has always 
>> displayed the double-clicked font's Full Name (the family name plus the 
>> bold and italic attributes, if present).
>>
>> The first thing I do with ALL acquired fonts is run them through a font 
>> renamer that changes the file names to the font names. The best of the 
>> lot is an inadequately publicized and promoted free program by Philip 
>> Engel named "RedEar's Font Renamer".
>>
>>    - Character
>>
>
> 

Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:

> Okay, I threw in the towel and searched for *.ttf (I can't even figure 
> out how to search on W7 other than with WinKey+F). I can double-click on 
> the font file and get the font viewer (which shows the font name), and I 
> can right-click and choose Properties. The Font Properties dialog has 
> only four tabs (as compared to 11 in WinXP), but the Details tab does 
> give the font name and information on embeddability; still, there isn't 
> the wealth of information on character set, hinting and smoothing, etc.
> 

LOL! You're a step ahead of me - I can't even use VISTA's Windows 
Explorer to do some basic things that I'm used to.

The full font properties extension is still functional under Windows 7 
(32-bit version only, it seems), and I would assume that it gives more 
information than what's included in Windows 7.

Available here:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/TrueTypeProperty21.mspx

Interesting - the page is labeled 'Property21' but the version is 2.3

In XP, Fontview.exe is the fontviewer that's opened when you 
double-click. For .ttf and .otf files among other things it shows the 
version and copyright information, but if you double-click on a .pfm 
file, that data is omitted. I wonder if they fixed that dichotomy in 
Vista or Win7.

   - Character

Well, I have 64-bit Windows 7, so I guess the Font Properties Extension 
(thanks for reminding me of the term) wouldn't work. Interestingly, what 
happens when you click on a font in the Fonts folder in W7 depends on 
whether the name listed conceals variants. If there's just a single font 
file, you get the viewer. If the font name conceals the bold, italic, and 
bold italic variants, then it is really a sort of folder, and 
double-clicking it opens it to reveal the individual font files, which you 
can then open (view) or get properties of. When I reported earlier that the 
Properties dialog didn't seem to be available through the Fonts folder, it 
was probably because I had selected a font that was really a "folder."

What drives me crazy, though, is that when you use Start | Control Panel, 
you get just a few icons, and you have to actually *search* within Control 
Panel if you want to display things like Fonts. I wouldn't mind this so much 
if the display had some sort of MRU memory, but no, no matter how many times 
you open the Fonts folder, it isn't among the default folders shown when you 
open Control Panel.

And, wrt your question about .pfm files, I can't report because I don't have 
any PostScript fonts installed on the laptop (since I can't get it to see 
any printers on the network, it's pointless to try to create documents).

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Character" <Char@cters.bold.italic> wrote in message 
news:SASMo.443141$Bh.218902@en-nntp-12.dc1.easynews.com...
> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>
>> Okay, I threw in the towel and searched for *.ttf (I can't even figure 
>> out how to search on W7 other than with WinKey+F). I can double-click on 
>> the font file and get the font viewer (which shows the font name), and I 
>> can right-click and choose Properties. The Font Properties dialog has 
>> only four tabs (as compared to 11 in WinXP), but the Details tab does 
>> give the font name and information on embeddability; still, there isn't 
>> the wealth of information on character set, hinting and smoothing, etc.
>>
>
> LOL! You're a step ahead of me - I can't even use VISTA's Windows Explorer 
> to do some basic things that I'm used to.
>
> The full font properties extension is still functional under Windows 7 
> (32-bit version only, it seems), and I would assume that it gives more 
> information than what's included in Windows 7.
>
> Available here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/TrueTypeProperty21.mspx
>
> Interesting - the page is labeled 'Property21' but the version is 2.3
>
> In XP, Fontview.exe is the fontviewer that's opened when you double-click. 
> For .ttf and .otf files among other things it shows the version and 
> copyright information, but if you double-click on a .pfm file, that data 
> is omitted. I wonder if they fixed that dichotomy in Vista or Win7.
>
>   - Character
> 

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:24:32 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:

> Well, I have 64-bit Windows 7, so I guess the Font Properties Extension
> (thanks for reminding me of the term) wouldn't work. Interestingly, what
> happens when you click on a font in the Fonts folder in W7 depends on
> whether the name listed conceals variants. If there's just a single font
> file, you get the viewer. If the font name conceals the bold, italic, and
> bold italic variants, then it is really a sort of folder, and
> double-clicking it opens it to reveal the individual font files, which you
> can then open (view) or get properties of. When I reported earlier that the
> Properties dialog didn't seem to be available through the Fonts folder, it
> was probably because I had selected a font that was really a "folder."
>
> What drives me crazy, though, is that when you use Start | Control Panel,
> you get just a few icons, and you have to actually *search* within Control
> Panel if you want to display things like Fonts. I wouldn't mind this so much
> if the display had some sort of MRU memory, but no, no matter how many times
> you open the Fonts folder, it isn't among the default folders shown when you
> open Control Panel.
>
> And, wrt your question about .pfm files, I can't report because I don't have
> any PostScript fonts installed on the laptop (since I can't get it to see
> any printers on the network, it's pointless to try to create documents).

All told, a most depressing picture, when Win 7 64-bit can stymie even a MS MVP
 from getting a machine to see any networked printers. Might as well have gotten
an iPad, for all the printing you're going to get done :-{ .

(Sigh!) Cheers anyway, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

Well, I'm an MVP for Word, not Windows or networking, and perhaps I haven't
tried hard enough. My husband has a printer that's supposed to be wireless,
and I can't figure out how to install its software on the laptop, either.
Outside of Word, I'm pretty clueless!

Luckily I do all my production work on a desktop physically connected to
both my printers; the laptop is just for travel/play/presentations (and
hasn't gotten much use for any of those). But it would be more accurate to 
say that I can't get the laptop to see the network at all. It can use the 
wireless Internet connection just fine (thank goodness) but doesn't see any 
other computers on the network.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"tlvp" <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.vnkv1xgditl47o@acer250.gateway.2wire.net...
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 18:24:32 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill
> <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>> Well, I have 64-bit Windows 7, so I guess the Font Properties Extension
>> (thanks for reminding me of the term) wouldn't work. Interestingly, what
>> happens when you click on a font in the Fonts folder in W7 depends on
>> whether the name listed conceals variants. If there's just a single font
>> file, you get the viewer. If the font name conceals the bold, italic, and
>> bold italic variants, then it is really a sort of folder, and
>> double-clicking it opens it to reveal the individual font files, which
>> you
>> can then open (view) or get properties of. When I reported earlier that
>> the
>> Properties dialog didn't seem to be available through the Fonts folder,
>> it
>> was probably because I had selected a font that was really a "folder."
>>
>> What drives me crazy, though, is that when you use Start | Control Panel,
>> you get just a few icons, and you have to actually *search* within
>> Control
>> Panel if you want to display things like Fonts. I wouldn't mind this so
>> much
>> if the display had some sort of MRU memory, but no, no matter how many
>> times
>> you open the Fonts folder, it isn't among the default folders shown when
>> you
>> open Control Panel.
>>
>> And, wrt your question about .pfm files, I can't report because I don't
>> have
>> any PostScript fonts installed on the laptop (since I can't get it to see
>> any printers on the network, it's pointless to try to create documents).
>
> All told, a most depressing picture, when Win 7 64-bit can stymie even a
> MS MVP
> from getting a machine to see any networked printers. Might as well have
> gotten
> an iPad, for all the printing you're going to get done :-{ .
>
> (Sigh!) Cheers anyway, -- tlvp
> -- 
> Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP
>

On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:01:04 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:

> Well, I'm an MVP for Word, not Windows or networking, and perhaps I haven't
> tried hard enough. My husband has a printer that's supposed to be wireless,
> and I can't figure out how to install its software on the laptop, either.
> Outside of Word, I'm pretty clueless!

No reflection intended upon you at all -- my point was meant to be:
how shameful for Microsoft that their networking hassles flummox even
an MVP for Word. Must one actually be an MVP for Networking in order
to get MS networking to work? :-)

> Luckily I do all my production work on a desktop physically connected to
> both my printers; the laptop is just for travel/play/presentations (and
> hasn't gotten much use for any of those). But it would be more accurate to
> say that I can't get the laptop to see the network at all. It can use the
> wireless Internet connection just fine (thank goodness) but doesn't see any
> other computers on the network.

We all do what we can to be able to do what we must. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

No, I wasn't inferring any reflection on me, just clarifying that the MVP 
award doesn't imply any sort of general competence. But I do take your point 
that it shouldn't take a specialist to be able to use Windows and 
networking.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"tlvp" <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 00:01:04 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill 
> <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm an MVP for Word, not Windows or networking, and perhaps I 
>> haven't
>> tried hard enough. My husband has a printer that's supposed to be 
>> wireless,
>> and I can't figure out how to install its software on the laptop, either.
>> Outside of Word, I'm pretty clueless!
>
> No reflection intended upon you at all -- my point was meant to be:
> how shameful for Microsoft that their networking hassles flummox even
> an MVP for Word. Must one actually be an MVP for Networking in order
> to get MS networking to work? :-)
>
>> Luckily I do all my production work on a desktop physically connected to
>> both my printers; the laptop is just for travel/play/presentations (and
>> hasn't gotten much use for any of those). But it would be more accurate 
>> to
>> say that I can't get the laptop to see the network at all. It can use the
>> wireless Internet connection just fine (thank goodness) but doesn't see 
>> any
>> other computers on the network.
>
> We all do what we can to be able to do what we must. Cheers, -- tlvp
> -- 
> Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP
> 

On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 23:25:11 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:

> No, I wasn't inferring any reflection on me, just clarifying that the MVP
> award doesn't imply any sort of general competence. But I do take your point
> that it shouldn't take a specialist to be able to use Windows and
> networking.

  :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:24:32 -0600, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>
> What drives me crazy, though, is that when you use Start | Control Panel, 
> you get just a few icons, and you have to actually *search* within Control 
> Panel if you want to display things like Fonts. 

In the upper right corner is a dropdown that says "View by:" and is set to
"Category" by default. Try one of the other settings. In my experiments, it
does remember that setting the next time you run it.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:35:14 -0500, Thomas Brandt wrote:
> represents. I just tried this with a random font in my A folder, 
> atof____.pfm. If I double-click on this file, I get a preview of some 
> ugly computery-looking font, but the preview doesn't show me the font 
> name. Sure, I can install it, but what the hell is it? With only the 
> basic Windows software, I can think of only two ways to find out what 
> this font is: 1) install it, and see what's new in the list, or 2) open 
> it in Notepad.

It's not basic Windows software, but it is free: my font thumbnail extension
adds the font name to the icon. It doesn't work out-of-the-box on Win7, 
because I need to fix a problem with the installer, but it can be made to 
work with some registry editing.

http://parkrrrr.com/fontnail

I documented the registry hacks here:

http://www.sevenforums.com/software/105534-cool-free-software.html#post1080898

On Dec 13, 2:29=A0pm, Ron Parker <this#is
$really*my&addre...@parkrrrr.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:35:14 -0500, Thomas Brandt wrote:
> > represents. I just tried this with a random font in my A folder,
> > atof____.pfm. If I double-click on this file, I get a preview of some
> > ugly computery-looking font, but the preview doesn't show me the font
> > name. Sure, I can install it, but what the hell is it? With only the
> > basic Windows software, I can think of only two ways to find out what
> > this font is: 1) install it, and see what's new in the list, or 2) open
> > it in Notepad.
>
> It's not basic Windows software, but it is free: my font thumbnail extens=
ion
> adds the font name to the icon. It doesn't work out-of-the-box on Win7,
> because I need to fix a problem with the installer, but it can be made to
> work with some registry editing.
>
> http://parkrrrr.com/fontnail
>
> I documented the registry hacks here:
>
> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/105534-cool-free-software.html#po...

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------------------------------------

I don't know how I got along without the font thumbnail (using Vista),
Ron... thanks again.

Bill

When I looked at that, it seemed to be the usual choice of Large Icons, 
Small Icons, List, etc., which I didn't think would affect which ones are 
shown.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Ron Parker" <this#is$really*my&address!@parkrrrr.com> wrote in message 
news:slrnigcsnp.g3r.this%23is$really*my&address!@mail.parkrrrr.com...
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:24:32 -0600, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>>
>> What drives me crazy, though, is that when you use Start | Control Panel,
>> you get just a few icons, and you have to actually *search* within 
>> Control
>> Panel if you want to display things like Fonts.
>
> In the upper right corner is a dropdown that says "View by:" and is set to
> "Category" by default. Try one of the other settings. In my experiments, 
> it
> does remember that setting the next time you run it.
>
> 

On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:45:46 -0600, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> When I looked at that, it seemed to be the usual choice of Large Icons, 
> Small Icons, List, etc., which I didn't think would affect which ones are 
> shown.

Try it. "Category" shows me eight categories, with what Microsoft thinks 
are the most commonly used items in each category. "Small Icons" shows me 
51 icons, including Fonts. It's not quite the Windows XP control panel, 
but it's a lot better for advanced users than the default Win7 one.

Okay, thanks. Next time I have the laptop fired up, I'll test this.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Ron Parker" <this#is$really*my&address!@parkrrrr.com> wrote in message 
news:slrnighnl1.tcb.this%23is$really*my&address!@mail.parkrrrr.com...
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:45:46 -0600, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>> When I looked at that, it seemed to be the usual choice of Large Icons,
>> Small Icons, List, etc., which I didn't think would affect which ones are
>> shown.
>
> Try it. "Category" shows me eight categories, with what Microsoft thinks
> are the most commonly used items in each category. "Small Icons" shows me
> 51 icons, including Fonts. It's not quite the Windows XP control panel,
> but it's a lot better for advanced users than the default Win7 one.
>
> 

"Heather Mills" <hsmills@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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(...)
> I guess I am wondering why instructions are so complicated if a
> simple copy [onto an icon in control panel] will do the trick.
(...)

I was copying it to a windows/fonts directory.
That works, and your way does not require as many clicks.
_______
http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/font/Phonobd.ttf Phonoglyphs