I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
you call those that don't get installed with Windows).

Thanks.  :oD

On 01/28/2011 01:33 PM, Cerulean wrote:
> I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
> I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
> is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
> sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
> which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
> you call those that don't get installed with Windows).

I'm pretty sure that it became standard on Vista and later. I don't 
think it was on XP or earlier.

Steve

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, Steve Masta wrote:

> On 01/28/2011 01:33 PM, Cerulean wrote:
>> I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
>> I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one
>> that is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to
>> make sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets
>> sent to which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or
>> whatever you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
>
> I'm pretty sure that it became standard on Vista and later. I don't
> think it was on XP or earlier.

I do not have it on my Win XP Pro SP3 system, so apparently it did not
come "native."

-- 
Paul Bartlett

> I'm pretty sure that it became standard on Vista and later. I don't  
> think it was on XP or earlier.

Yes, and some people, like me uninstall unnecessary fonts. In other words  
although I have Cambria it is not necessarily installed.

(Of system fonts I always have Arial Unicode, Georgia, Verdana, Calibri,  
Courier, Tahoma, Windings, and sometimes Times New Roman.)

Jukka

Cerulean <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote:

> Though I have it on my system, is it one that
> is installed with Windows?  

Not to my knowledge. It _is_ part of the MS Office installation (not
sure which version). But even if it was installed with (your version of)
Windows, this does not mean that _everyone_ has (access to) it - for the
following reasons:

- there are other operating systems around - windows is not the only
one. 

- it may have been included with _your_ version of Windows - this does
not mean it is included in every other version of Windows. 

- if it is only distributed with a version of MS Office, the chances are
even more remote that everyone has (access to ) this font. Not everyone
has MS Office installed on his/her computer...

Christian 


-- 
Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland)
Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: http://www.chance-for-children.org

Cerulean wrote:
> I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
> I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
> is installed with Windows?

Only some versions. Vista and Later.

> I have so many fonts that I want to make
> sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to ...

In which case your Windows question doesn't really matter. Much of the 
world doesn't use Microsoft Windows. Apple and Linux systems, among 
others, will not necessarily have the font, nor any specific font.

Most systems will, however substitute similar fonts or use a default 
as needed.

If you want a document that maintains its form as well as its content, 
send it as a .pdf, with all its fonts embedded as subsets.

  - Character

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1714

Products that supply this font
Product Name		Font Version
Excel 2007		5.01a
Office 2007 Home-Student Edition		5.01a
Office 2007 Professional Edition		5.01a
Office 2007 Standard Edition		5.01a
Office Mac 	2008	2.00
Outlook 2007		5.01a
PowerPoint 2007		5.01a
Publisher 2007		5.01a
Windows 7		5.24
Windows Server 2008		5.00
Windows Vista		5.00
Word 2007		5.01a


Cerulean <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote:
>I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
>I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
>is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
>sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
>which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
>you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
>
>Thanks.  :oD

On 1/28/11 10:33 AM, Cerulean wrote:
> I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
> I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
> is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
> sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
> which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
> you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
> 
> Thanks.  :oD
> 

According to <http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/index.shtml>,
71.18% of Windows systems have Cambria.  That is, more than 28.8% of
Windows systems DO NOT have Cambria.

Furthermore, only 18.29% of Mac systems and no Linux systems have
Cambria.  I would guess that, if no Linux systems have it, then no UNIX
systems have it either.



-- 

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.

Cambria is one of the six new C fonts that shipped with Office 2007. 
According to http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1714, 
it is also supplied with Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Cerulean" <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote in message 
news:2q26k65shbcikeii8quvfk7h5q28c7s3bq@4ax.com...
>I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
> I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
> is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
> sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
> which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
> you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
>
> Thanks.  :oD
>
> 

On 1/28/11 7:41 PM, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> Cambria is one of the six new C fonts that shipped with Office 2007. 
> According to http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1714, 
> it is also supplied with Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows Server 2008.
> 

According to various surveys that I have seen, Windows Vista and Windows
7 combined have fewer users than Windows XP.  Cambria was not supplied
with Windows XP.

-- 

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam from that source.

But there are probably a fair number using Office 2007 on Windows XP.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tOGdnRnEt-yXDd7QnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@iswest.net...
> On 1/28/11 7:41 PM, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>> Cambria is one of the six new C fonts that shipped with Office 2007.
>> According to 
>> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/font.aspx?FMID=1714,
>> it is also supplied with Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Windows Server 
>> 2008.
>>
>
> According to various surveys that I have seen, Windows Vista and Windows
> 7 combined have fewer users than Windows XP.  Cambria was not supplied
> with Windows XP.
>
> -- 
>
> David E. Ross
> <http://www.rossde.com/>
>
> On occasion, I might filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
> posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
> because of spam from that source.
> 

On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:33:55 -0500, Cerulean <Spamming@NOTallowed.com>
wrote:

>I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
>I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
>is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
>sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
>which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
>you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
>
>Thanks.  :oD

Thanks, everybody!  I got a sample resum� from my agency that is in
Cambria and felt I had to point out that since it wasn't standard to
me that I hoped they didn't mind that I put it to Times Roman that is
"standard" to most systems running Windows and some form of office
prior 2007.  I think it was the right choice.  Since we're dealing
with business, and most use Windows and often a prior to 2007 Office
version, seems a safe bet.

Thanks!  Much appreciated.  No wonder I didn't have it!  I hate Office
2007 and will not upgrade past 2003.  Once it becomes a serious issue,
well, I'll deal with that bridge when I cross it.  Since I'll be
switching over to a Mac or Linux some point down the road when I can
afford it, I stilll won't be dealing with Office 2007 if I can help
it.

Cheers.  :oD

Not only is TNR a better choice from the standpoint of universality, it is 
also more attractive. Most of the new C fonts are really pretty ugly. I 
think they're meant to be more readable online (since it seems most of the 
world is assumed never to print anything any more), but there's one of them 
(Candara perhaps or Constantia ) in which cl is virtually indistinguishable 
from d.

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Cerulean" <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote in message 
news:6sl8k6hog03o9f37g2u57vmmpuhf2id3gs@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:33:55 -0500, Cerulean <Spamming@NOTallowed.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
>>I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
>>is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
>>sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
>>which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
>>you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
>>
>>Thanks.  :oD
>
> Thanks, everybody!  I got a sample resum� from my agency that is in
> Cambria and felt I had to point out that since it wasn't standard to
> me that I hoped they didn't mind that I put it to Times Roman that is
> "standard" to most systems running Windows and some form of office
> prior 2007.  I think it was the right choice.  Since we're dealing
> with business, and most use Windows and often a prior to 2007 Office
> version, seems a safe bet.
>
> Thanks!  Much appreciated.  No wonder I didn't have it!  I hate Office
> 2007 and will not upgrade past 2003.  Once it becomes a serious issue,
> well, I'll deal with that bridge when I cross it.  Since I'll be
> switching over to a Mac or Linux some point down the road when I can
> afford it, I stilll won't be dealing with Office 2007 if I can help
> it.
>
> Cheers.  :oD
>
> 

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:43:27 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:

> Not only is TNR a better choice from the standpoint of universality, it is
> also more attractive. Most of the new C fonts are really pretty ugly. I
> think they're meant to be more readable online (since it seems most of the
> world is assumed never to print anything any more), but there's one of them
> (Candara perhaps or Constantia ) in which cl is virtually indistinguishable
> from d.

Heh ... the bane of OCR software everywhere: ol and cl vs. d, lo vs. b, ó vs. 6, rn vs. m, ... .

-- "A poor OCR engine can turn your busiest day into your lousiest day." :-)

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:43:27 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
<sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:

>Not only is TNR a better choice from the standpoint of universality, it is 
>also more attractive. Most of the new C fonts are really pretty ugly. I 
>think they're meant to be more readable online (since it seems most of the 
>world is assumed never to print anything any more), but there's one of them 
>(Candara perhaps or Constantia ) in which cl is virtually indistinguishable 
>from d.

Yes, that's the trouble.  "Non-standard" fonts can look okay or great
on the screen but can print terribly or lose something esp. if you
change font size, attributes, etc.  Or even if you open it up on a
different machine!  I felt bad with my job counsellor because I'm sure
she was upset that I sent her back my version using her fancy template
in a less pretty font (but safer!).

But I have the advantage over other workers.  I've done contract work
for 20 years now and esp. in last few years with my USB flash drive
have easily seen what non-standard formatting can do to your
beautifully set up files!  i.e., haven't we all had the experience of
setting something up that is practically perfect in both content and
presentation only to see what an ugly mess it becomes if that font
isn't present on a different machine!  Ugh!

But most people don't know these types of things and look blank at
you, or worse, when you tell them and present them with something
different than what they gave you. <lol>

 :oD

>-- 
>Suzanne S. Barnhill
>Microsoft MVP (Word)
>Words into Type
>Fairhope, Alabama USA
>http://word.mvps.org
>
>"Cerulean" <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote in message 
>news:6sl8k6hog03o9f37g2u57vmmpuhf2id3gs@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:33:55 -0500, Cerulean <Spamming@NOTallowed.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
>>>I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
>>>is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
>>>sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
>>>which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
>>>you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
>>>
>>>Thanks.  :oD
>>
>> Thanks, everybody!  I got a sample resum� from my agency that is in
>> Cambria and felt I had to point out that since it wasn't standard to
>> me that I hoped they didn't mind that I put it to Times Roman that is
>> "standard" to most systems running Windows and some form of office
>> prior 2007.  I think it was the right choice.  Since we're dealing
>> with business, and most use Windows and often a prior to 2007 Office
>> version, seems a safe bet.
>>
>> Thanks!  Much appreciated.  No wonder I didn't have it!  I hate Office
>> 2007 and will not upgrade past 2003.  Once it becomes a serious issue,
>> well, I'll deal with that bridge when I cross it.  Since I'll be
>> switching over to a Mac or Linux some point down the road when I can
>> afford it, I stilll won't be dealing with Office 2007 if I can help
>> it.
>>
>> Cheers.  :oD
>>
>> 

> setting something up that is practically perfect in both content and
> presentation only to see what an ugly mess it becomes if that font
> isn't present on a different machine!  Ugh!

Not just fonts. Anytime you take a formatted document to a different 
computer with a different printer driver, you risk havoc, especially if 
you've inserted manual page breaks, which can double the page count if a 
change in line breaks causes the page to break early (see 
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm). The only safe format 
is PDF (with fonts embedded).

-- 
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Cerulean" <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote in message 
news:o6jak6h9buhdguqf9e09euc2dsfi3pkta3@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:43:27 -0600, "Suzanne S. Barnhill"
> <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>>Not only is TNR a better choice from the standpoint of universality, it is
>>also more attractive. Most of the new C fonts are really pretty ugly. I
>>think they're meant to be more readable online (since it seems most of the
>>world is assumed never to print anything any more), but there's one of 
>>them
>>(Candara perhaps or Constantia ) in which cl is virtually 
>>indistinguishable
>>from d.
>
> Yes, that's the trouble.  "Non-standard" fonts can look okay or great
> on the screen but can print terribly or lose something esp. if you
> change font size, attributes, etc.  Or even if you open it up on a
> different machine!  I felt bad with my job counsellor because I'm sure
> she was upset that I sent her back my version using her fancy template
> in a less pretty font (but safer!).
>
> But I have the advantage over other workers.  I've done contract work
> for 20 years now and esp. in last few years with my USB flash drive
> have easily seen what non-standard formatting can do to your
> beautifully set up files!  i.e., haven't we all had the experience of
> setting something up that is practically perfect in both content and
> presentation only to see what an ugly mess it becomes if that font
> isn't present on a different machine!  Ugh!
>
> But most people don't know these types of things and look blank at
> you, or worse, when you tell them and present them with something
> different than what they gave you. <lol>
>
> :oD
>
>>-- 
>>Suzanne S. Barnhill
>>Microsoft MVP (Word)
>>Words into Type
>>Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>http://word.mvps.org
>>
>>"Cerulean" <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote in message
>>news:6sl8k6hog03o9f37g2u57vmmpuhf2id3gs@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:33:55 -0500, Cerulean <Spamming@NOTallowed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was sent a Word document that came Cambria.  It's not a font that
>>>>I'm very familiar with.  Though I have it on my system, is it one that
>>>>is installed with Windows?  I have so many fonts that I want to make
>>>>sure this document is easily readable by everyone this gets sent to
>>>>which might not be the case if it's a non-standard font (or whatever
>>>>you call those that don't get installed with Windows).
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.  :oD
>>>
>>> Thanks, everybody!  I got a sample resum� from my agency that is in
>>> Cambria and felt I had to point out that since it wasn't standard to
>>> me that I hoped they didn't mind that I put it to Times Roman that is
>>> "standard" to most systems running Windows and some form of office
>>> prior 2007.  I think it was the right choice.  Since we're dealing
>>> with business, and most use Windows and often a prior to 2007 Office
>>> version, seems a safe bet.
>>>
>>> Thanks!  Much appreciated.  No wonder I didn't have it!  I hate Office
>>> 2007 and will not upgrade past 2003.  Once it becomes a serious issue,
>>> well, I'll deal with that bridge when I cross it.  Since I'll be
>>> switching over to a Mac or Linux some point down the road when I can
>>> afford it, I stilll won't be dealing with Office 2007 if I can help
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Cheers.  :oD
>>>
>>>
>
> 

Cerulean wrote:

> "Non-standard" fonts can look okay or great
> on the screen but can print terribly or lose something esp. if you
> change font size, attributes, etc.  Or even if you open it up on a
> different machine!  I felt bad with my job counsellor because I'm sure
> she was upset that I sent her back my version using her fancy template
> in a less pretty font (but safer!).
> 
> But I have the advantage over other workers.  I've done contract work
> for 20 years now and esp. in last few years with my USB flash drive
> have easily seen what non-standard formatting can do to your
> beautifully set up files!  i.e., haven't we all had the experience of
> setting something up that is practically perfect in both content and
> presentation only to see what an ugly mess it becomes if that font
> isn't present on a different machine!  Ugh!
> 
> But most people don't know these types of things and look blank at
> you, or worse, when you tell them and present them with something
> different than what they gave you. <lol>
> 
>  :oD

If your job counselor expects you to print your cv/resum� for 
submission (does anybody do that anymore?) than there's no appearance 
problem, but it can't be automatically analyzed without going through 
an OCR process.

If it's distributed electronically, posted or e-mailed or made into a 
mobile app, both its form AND its content should probably be different 
than its printed equivalent. In any case the form should certainly NOT 
be application specific, such as an MS Word document. There are too 
many ways in which such a document can be mis-read or un-read. Unless 
the recipient has specific requirements, the only viable options is a 
pdf. For presentaion, a high-resolution .jpg might works as well, but 
would need to go through OCR as well.

  - Character

On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:55:03 -0500, Suzanne S. Barnhill <sbarnhill@mvps.org> wrote:

>> setting something up that is practically perfect in both content and
>> presentation only to see what an ugly mess it becomes if that font
>> isn't present on a different machine!  Ugh!
>
> Not just fonts. Anytime you take a formatted document to a different
> computer with a different printer driver, you risk havoc, especially if
> you've inserted manual page breaks, which can double the page count if a
> change in line breaks causes the page to break early (see
> http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/TextReflow.htm). The only safe format
> is PDF (with fonts embedded).

And not just on different computers with different print drivers.

I had a one-page letter, on one machine, set up in Notepad for
one particular printer, with a 7-inch wide text area (3/4-inch
margins, right and left, on 8.5" wide paper), whose line breaks
changed as I switched output stock from letter to legal
and back again (!).

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 07:05:31 -0800, Character <Char@cters.bold.italic>
wrote:

>Cerulean wrote:
>
[snip]

>If your job counselor expects you to print your cv/resum� for 
>submission (does anybody do that anymore?) than there's no appearance 
>problem, but it can't be automatically analyzed without going through 
>an OCR process.
>
>If it's distributed electronically, posted or e-mailed or made into a 
>mobile app, both its form AND its content should probably be different 
>than its printed equivalent. In any case the form should certainly NOT 
>be application specific, such as an MS Word document. There are too 
>many ways in which such a document can be mis-read or un-read. Unless 
>the recipient has specific requirements, the only viable options is a 
>pdf. For presentaion, a high-resolution .jpg might works as well, but 
>would need to go through OCR as well.
>
>  - Character

It's actually not so much a question of printing CVs.  They must be
sent electronically in MS Word format and can never be in PDF.  Way
back when I asked and that's what I've always been told.  Agencies
have to be able to insert their logo, etc., to your resum� before
emailing to potential clients.  Faxes aren't always used, either, as
recipients not often prefer to get docts directly vs. having to walk
to a central area where faxes are received, for example so again has
to be in soft copy so no control, really, over printout.  So our CVs
must be in as generic a format as possible, something not everyone is
aware of judging from the sample resum� and what resum� books have to
repeatedly advise.

In article <c22lk61117corvlvvhtdjf71glk0ud9fs0@4ax.com>,
 Cerulean <Spamming@NOTallowed.com> wrote:

<snip>
> 
> It's actually not so much a question of printing CVs.  They must be
> sent electronically in MS Word format and can never be in PDF.  Way
> back when I asked and that's what I've always been told.  Agencies
> have to be able to insert their logo, etc., to your resumé before
> emailing to potential clients.

To avoid the proprietary Word format while preserving editability, I 
would expect RTF files to be perfectly acceptable: they support most of 
the basic formatting one might need for such purposes (even embedding of 
images) and most word-processors can understand them.

-- 
Odysseus