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organize fonts in font menu

What program can you organize Windows fonts by styles instead of in
alphabeticorder when accessing font from a program such as Photoshop
or Illustrator? I remember the old days in Mac that I can put
different fonts in different folders and they would be grouped
together (maybe with suitcase or just the OS). Is there something
similar on Windows? It's really time consuming when searching for a
font from a long list.

Thanks for any info!
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liu
3/21/2009 5:11:00 AM
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> What program can you organize Windows fonts by styles instead of in
> alphabeticorder when accessing font from a program such as Photoshop
> or Illustrator? I remember the old days in Mac that I can put
> different fonts in different folders and they would be grouped
> together (maybe with suitcase or just the OS). Is there something
> similar on Windows? It's really time consuming when searching for a
> font from a long list.

Font's cannot be grouped in menus but if you use a font manager like Suitcase or MainType you gan install and uninstall fonts very esily to control font menu length. Windows or Mac, don't pour all the fonts into the font folder because it will make the system slower too.

Best way to use font is keep them outside system foldes in well organized folders and installing with font manager as necessary. Suitcase (www.extensis.com) is my favorite tool for install and uninstall but I also use MainType (www.high-logic.com) for arranging font folders and previewing fonts. 

The font grouping program for Mac is TypeReunion by Adobe.

Jukka
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Armadillo
3/21/2009 7:55:29 AM
On Mar 21, 3:55=A0am, Armadillo <re...@newsgroup.pls> wrote:

> Best way to use font is keep them outside system foldes in well organized=
 folders and installing ..
....
> The font grouping program for Mac is TypeReunion by Adobe.
>
Thanks for the advice and reminder on TypeReunion. It seems that I
can  organize fonts menu by for example Sans Serif, Serif, Script, etc
folders and be able to access different types quickly from these
folders in all the applications. How is it on the Mac OS X nowadays?
I've not used it for ~10 years now.
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liu
3/22/2009 4:52:25 AM
> Thanks for the advice and reminder on TypeReunion. It seems that I
> can  organize fonts menu by for example Sans Serif, Serif, Script, etc
> folders and be able to access different types quickly from these
> folders in all the applications. How is it on the Mac OS X nowadays?
> I've not used it for ~10 years now.

It seems that latest version of Type Reunion is 2.6 dated 7/11/2000. OpenType supported but not OS X.

Again, the best way to control font menu length is to install as few fonts as possible. Also turning off font samples in menus makes things way faster. 

(I don't know whose big idea font samples in dropdown menus is but as far as interface design goes it is one of the most stupid. Must have been Office/Microsoft?)

Jukka

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Armadillo
3/23/2009 8:16:50 AM
Armadillo wrote:

> (I don't know whose big idea font samples in dropdown menus is but as far as interface design goes it is one of the most stupid. Must have been Office/Microsoft?)
> 
> Jukka
> 

Actually it was strong user demand. People want to see what things 
look like.  Some applications let you highlight or select the text you 
want to change, and the font list then shows what the selected text 
looks like in each of the fonts (usually one at a time).

Most people (including me) can't visualize what every font looks like 
- particularly seldom-used specialty fonts or individual members of a 
large font family or a family whose members have non-descriptive names.

One of the earliest MS Word add-ons or macros was one that did just this.

  - Character

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Character
3/23/2009 3:22:41 PM
liu wrote:

> What program can you organize Windows fonts by styles instead of in
> alphabeticorder when accessing font from a program such as Photoshop
> or Illustrator? I remember the old days in Mac that I can put
> different fonts in different folders and they would be grouped
> together (maybe with suitcase or just the OS). Is there something
> similar on Windows? It's really time consuming when searching for a
> font from a long list.
> 
> Thanks for any info!


To get back to your original question, there's no way to do this 
automatically, because the panose font descriptions are very seldom 
accurate, even if they're there at all. Many programs let you select 
fonts based on the panose settings. It's a pity that font creators, 
being artists, think that their work is finished once the basic 
artwork and functionality are completed. Entering the necessary 
information in Fontographer or FontLab requires a multiplicity of 
selections from multiple pull-downs, some of which appear to conflict 
with each other, whose meanings aren't always self-evident, and many 
of the settings are highly subjective (they weren't meant to be that 
way, but they are).

So YOU would have to categorize and organize your own font collection 
using whatever criteria work for you.

As Armadillo said, there are many programs that will group fonts. He 
mentioned two of the best; I also like Printers Apprentice.

Unfortunately, such programs are all 'third party' and not integrated 
into applications. They let you group fonts for activation and use; 
but once activated, they are undifferentiated when they appear in 
application font lists. I imagine it might be possible for someone to 
create an application-specific macro or plug-in that would display a 
specific FontManager-based font listing.

  - Character
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Character
3/23/2009 4:24:53 PM
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 03:16:50 -0500, Armadillo wrote
(in article <op.uq8jyc1829ay2f@armadillo.telewell.gateway>):

> (I don't know whose big idea font samples in dropdown menus is but as far as 
> interface design goes it is one of the most stupid. Must have been 
> Office/Microsoft?)

At least in Word 2008 (I don't know regarding prior versions) this "feature" 
can be disabled so all font names will appear in a single face.

-- 
James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@me.com

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TaliesinSoft
3/23/2009 5:37:14 PM
http://www.extensis.com/en/products/font_management/product_information.jsp?id=1055

I have been using this for the past 10 years.


"Character" <Char@cters.bold.italic> wrote in message 
news:oJOxl.65196$rp7.54704@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
> liu wrote:
>
>> What program can you organize Windows fonts by styles instead of in
>> alphabeticorder when accessing font from a program such as Photoshop
>> or Illustrator? I remember the old days in Mac that I can put
>> different fonts in different folders and they would be grouped
>> together (maybe with suitcase or just the OS). Is there something
>> similar on Windows? It's really time consuming when searching for a
>> font from a long list.
>>
>> Thanks for any info!
>
>
> To get back to your original question, there's no way to do this 
> automatically, because the panose font descriptions are very seldom 
> accurate, even if they're there at all. Many programs let you select fonts 
> based on the panose settings. It's a pity that font creators, being 
> artists, think that their work is finished once the basic artwork and 
> functionality are completed. Entering the necessary information in 
> Fontographer or FontLab requires a multiplicity of selections from 
> multiple pull-downs, some of which appear to conflict with each other, 
> whose meanings aren't always self-evident, and many of the settings are 
> highly subjective (they weren't meant to be that way, but they are).
>
> So YOU would have to categorize and organize your own font collection 
> using whatever criteria work for you.
>
> As Armadillo said, there are many programs that will group fonts. He 
> mentioned two of the best; I also like Printers Apprentice.
>
> Unfortunately, such programs are all 'third party' and not integrated into 
> applications. They let you group fonts for activation and use; but once 
> activated, they are undifferentiated when they appear in application font 
> lists. I imagine it might be possible for someone to create an 
> application-specific macro or plug-in that would display a specific 
> FontManager-based font listing.
>
>  - Character 

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tweaked_eye
3/23/2009 5:59:23 PM
> Most people (including me) can't visualize what every font looks like
> - particularly seldom-used specialty fonts or individual members of a
> large font family or a family whose members have non-descriptive names.

Nether can I and this is exactly why I use font managers. Especially Suitcase because it has the best and most simple font preview.

Layman or pro less options usually means better typography. ;-)

Jukka
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Armadillo
3/23/2009 10:35:59 PM
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:35:59 -0500, Armadillo wrote
(in article <op.uq9np9iz29ay2f@lapdillo.pp.htv.fi>):

[responding to comments regarding seeing miniature previews of fonts in an 
application's font menu]

> Nether can I and this is exactly why I use font managers. Especially Suitcase 

> because it has the best and most simple font preview.

What do you feel is the advantage of Suitcase over the preview facilities in 
Apple's Font Book -- assuming that you are speaking in terms of a Macintosh 
and not a PC.

-- 
James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@me.com

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TaliesinSoft
3/24/2009 2:19:03 AM
>> Nether can I and this is exactly why I use font managers. Especially Suitcase
>
>> because it has the best and most simple font preview.
>
> What do you feel is the advantage of Suitcase over the preview facilities in
> Apple's Font Book -- assuming that you are speaking in terms of a Macintosh
> and not a PC.

I am talking about PC but with Suitcase I can easily see previews of several selected fonts which Font Book cannot do. Sometimes I even select all the fonts I have, most uninstalled, and using for eample a book title as the sample text browse my font library with page down key.

But Suitcase cannot show extended caharacter sets of OpenType fonts or copy then to another folder - this is why I also use MainType.

Jukka 


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Armadillo
3/24/2009 6:19:54 AM
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:19:54 -0500, Armadillo wrote (in article 
<op.uq987gan29ay2f@lapdillo.pp.htv.fi>): 

[in response to my having asked] 

>> What do you feel is the advantage of Suitcase over the preview facilities 
>> in Apple's Font Book -- assuming that you are speaking in terms of a 
>> Macintosh and not a PC. 
> 
> I am talking about PC but with Suitcase I can easily see previews of 
> several selected fonts which Font Book cannot do. Sometimes I even select 
> all the fonts I have, most uninstalled, and using for eample a book title 
> as the sample text browse my font library with page down key. 

Font Book on the Macintosh does provide a preview window for a selected font 
and one can have an arbitrary number of such windows open at the same time. 
One can arbitrarily position these windows so that side by side comparisons 
are possible. Such previews are limited to a fixed character set.

Also, one can create a Font Book collection of a selection of fonts and then 
step through that collection font by font. The display here can be of any 
chosen set of characters.
 
> But Suitcase cannot show extended caharacter sets of OpenType fonts or 
> copy then to another folder - this is why I also use MainType. 

Character Palette on the Macintosh allows one to access the entirety of the 
character set of any font and one can copy characters from there into a 
document. 

-- 
James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@me.com

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TaliesinSoft
3/24/2009 11:41:47 AM
> Font Book on the Macintosh does provide a preview window for a selected font
> and one can have an arbitrary number of such windows open at the same time.
> One can arbitrarily position these windows so that side by side comparisons
> are possible. Such previews are limited to a fixed character set.

Many font managers work like this but Suitcase shows all previews of selected fonts immediatatly in the preview window. Opening and arranging preview windows of, say, 100 fonts is insane and will take probably a working day. So for viewing previews of several fonts, even the whole library, Suitcase is absolutely the best and the quickest way.

Even if I know how a font looks like, even the one I've made myself, I cannot tell for sure how certain words will look like. So for me it is important to quickly browse through many fonts to select a typeface for example to be used on a book cover. In designing a logo this is also a good starting point.

Jukka
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Armadillo
3/24/2009 12:03:42 PM
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:03:42 -0500, Armadillo wrote (in article 
<op.urao4gmu29ay2f@armadillo.telewell.gateway>): 

[responding to my preceding post in this thread] 

> Many font managers work like this but Suitcase shows all previews of 
> selected fonts immediatatly in the preview window. Opening and arranging 
> preview windows of, say, 100 fonts is insane and will take probably a 
> working day. So for viewing previews of several fonts, even the whole 
> library, Suitcase is absolutely the best and the quickest way. 

I'll readily agree that Font Book isn't up to a 100 font preview. But for a 
small number, say six, it works fine. A single preview window, if associated 
with a family, will allow that same window to show any member of that family
 
> Even if I know how a font looks like, even the one I've made myself, I 
> cannot tell for sure how certain words will look like. So for me it is 
> important to quickly browse through many fonts to select a typeface for 
> example to be used on a book cover. In designing a logo this is also a 
> good starting point. 

In Font Book one can, by creating a collection and selecting the display 
text, cycle through a set of fonts to see how the text will display in each 
of them. A downside is that one will be seeing the displays one font at a 
time. 

-- 
James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@me.com

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TaliesinSoft
3/24/2009 2:40:59 PM
Thank you all for the suggestions. It looks like I have to organize
them outside of the font menu. I will check all the applications
suggested out.
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liu
4/10/2009 12:29:24 PM
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