Fix Clone Brush To One Spot - comp.graphics.apps.paint-shop-pro

Is it possible to force the clone brush source to stay put (ie exactly right I right-click) while I paint other areas of the image? I want the texture from a small area to be paint over a much larger area, and at the moment I keep having to specify the source area when I move to another area to be painted with the same thing. Or, is there anyway to pickup a texture and paint with it? Thanks, Colin

JP Kabala wrote: > <colin.steadman@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1146656287.916951.195830@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>Is it possible to force the clone brush source to stay put (ie exactly >>right I right-click) while I paint other areas of the image? I want >>the texture from a small area to be paint over a much larger area, and >>at the moment I keep having to specify the source area when I move to >>another area to be painted with the same thing. >> >>Or, is there anyway to pickup a texture and paint with it? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Colin > > There are a couple of ways, but this one might be the easiest, and would > give you a lot of control options.... > What about selecting the area of the texture, copy and pasting it to a new > image, then using that image as your source material in the Materials > palette? Then you could use any brush you wanted to "clone" with. Oh, and for you newbies, JP goes to all the Photoshop seminars. She's not a faithful PSPer. But, then again, who is? ":^) � By the way, what's the topic of the day? How to repair photos where the lens cap wasn't removed? ":^) � Must have taken Ron Lacey's photography course. ":^) � Uni > > >

<colin.steadman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1146656287.916951.195830@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Is it possible to force the clone brush source to stay put (ie exactly > right I right-click) while I paint other areas of the image? I want > the texture from a small area to be paint over a much larger area, and > at the moment I keep having to specify the source area when I move to > another area to be painted with the same thing. > > Or, is there anyway to pickup a texture and paint with it? > > Thanks, > > Colin > If I understand your question right, you could "save as" the image your working on with a slightly different name such as vers2, then with that on the screen open the original again and you'll have two identical images on screen. With the second (original) image highlighted, click on clone brush and de-select the "aligned" box in the far right corner of the clone tool toolbar. Then right click on the source area in the image that you want to clone. Go to the area in the "vers2" image that you want to change and left click to clone the area from the source. The source area will not move because you've told it to not stay aligned with the movement of the cursor. That's the way it works for me. Tom G.

Hi Tom, Something seems to be wrong, that doesn't seem to work. I have opened the image (A), and then hit CTRL+C > CTRL+V to copy and paste a new image (B), rather than doing a 'Save As'. I then removed the tick from 'Aligned Mode' and selected the source for the clone brush with a right mouse click in iamge (B). However when I left click to apply the brush in image (A), the source still moves around in (B). I'm not sure what 'Aligned Mode' is supposed to do (I cant find the detailed help for the clone tool), but it doesn't seem to have any effect, whether its on or off... Even if I try it in the same image, the source still moves around. ? Colin

On 4 May 2006 02:55:49 -0700, "colin.steadman@gmail.com" <colin.steadman@gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Tom, > >Something seems to be wrong, that doesn't seem to work. > >I have opened the image (A), and then hit CTRL+C > CTRL+V to copy and >paste a new image (B), rather than doing a 'Save As'. I then removed >the tick from 'Aligned Mode' and selected the source for the clone >brush with a right mouse click in iamge (B). However when I left click >to apply the brush in image (A), the source still moves around in (B). > > >I'm not sure what 'Aligned Mode' is supposed to do (I cant find the >detailed help for the clone tool), Mark the Aligned mode check box to have the Clone Brush tool paint from the point of the source area relative to the first point you clicked on the target area each time you stop and start paint�ing again. You can keep clicking and dragging over the target area to fill in the source image. Clear the check box to have every click copy the same data. If you click and drag with 'Aligned' check box clear it works as if it was ticked > but it doesn't seem to have any >effect, whether its on or off... Even if I try it in the same image, >the source still moves around. > >? > >Colin -- Regards David: NorthWest, England

colin.steadman@gmail.com wrote: > Is it possible to force the clone brush source to stay put > (ie exactly right I right-click) while I paint other areas > of the image? I want the texture from a small area to be > paint over a much larger area... > is there anyway to pickup a texture and paint with it? [snip] > I'm not sure what 'Aligned Mode' is supposed to do (I cant > find the detailed help for the clone tool), but it doesn't > seem to have any effect, whether its on or off... Even if > I try it in the same image, the source still moves around. Part of your trouble is due to your insistence on using the wrong tool--Clone--to paint with texture. Do what JP says: put a texture in your Materials Palette and paint with the Paint Brush or the Airbrush. (BTW, her site http://www.jpkabala.com is full of good PSP stuff.) For more about this, search Help for texture. Search http://www.psplinks.com/ to see many examples of the technique. It is too bad that Corel gutted its documentation to maximize profit. In this case, however, the crux of Aligned mode is covered. "If you want the Clone Brush tool to reset the source point each time you resume painting, mark the Aligned mode check box." Perhaps an example will help. Aligned/unaligned affects where clone brushes (in PSP and all other editors AFAIK) pick up their source material at the *start* of each stroke. During the stroke, the source point moves the same in either mode. A B C D E F G H With the brush big enough to cover one letter, right click on A, then left click on D. PSP paints an A over the D in either mode. Now left click on F. What happens? In unaligned mode, the source point remains at A and PSP paints an A over the F. In aligned mode, the source point moves the same distance and direction that you moved between D and F. That is, the source point moves from A to C and PSP paints a C over the F. In other words, the source point stays aligned with the destination point. Please take a screen snap of this message and try it. Tom was mistaken. This behavior is the same whether the source point is in the same image or a different image. -- Fred Hiltz, fhiltz at yahoo dot com

"Fred Hiltz" <not@home.ca> wrote in message news:CuednXPnY6dndMTZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@adelphia.com... > colin.steadman@gmail.com wrote: >> Is it possible to force the clone brush source to stay put >> (ie exactly right I right-click) while I paint other areas >> of the image? I want the texture from a small area to be >> paint over a much larger area... >> is there anyway to pickup a texture and paint with it? > [snip] >> I'm not sure what 'Aligned Mode' is supposed to do (I cant >> find the detailed help for the clone tool), but it doesn't >> seem to have any effect, whether its on or off... Even if >> I try it in the same image, the source still moves around. > > Part of your trouble is due to your insistence on using the wrong > tool--Clone--to paint with texture. Do what JP says: put a texture > in your Materials Palette and paint with the Paint Brush or the > Airbrush. (BTW, her site http://www.jpkabala.com is full of good PSP > stuff.) For more about this, search Help for texture. Search > http://www.psplinks.com/ to see many examples of the technique. > > It is too bad that Corel gutted its documentation to maximize > profit. In this case, however, the crux of Aligned mode is covered. > "If you want the Clone Brush tool to reset the source point each > time you resume painting, mark the Aligned mode check box." Perhaps > an example will help. > > Aligned/unaligned affects where clone brushes (in PSP and all other > editors AFAIK) pick up their source material at the *start* of each > stroke. During the stroke, the source point moves the same in either > mode. > > A B C D E F G H > > With the brush big enough to cover one letter, right click on A, > then left click on D. PSP paints an A over the D in either mode. > > Now left click on F. What happens? In unaligned mode, the source > point remains at A and PSP paints an A over the F. In aligned mode, > the source point moves the same distance and direction that you > moved between D and F. That is, the source point moves from A to C > and PSP paints a C over the F. In other words, the source point > stays aligned with the destination point. Please take a screen snap > of this message and try it. > > Tom was mistaken. This behavior is the same whether the source point > is in the same image or a different image. > -- > Fred Hiltz, fhiltz at yahoo dot com > > And what you say makes sense and I would think should be the way it would work. But for some reason on my version of PSP8, I can only get the unchecked align box have an effect if I'm working with two images with slightly different names. Might have something to do with my inability to understand layers completely or something. One of the tutorials within the program covered how to do this...I think it was on coloring black and white photos using color from a color photo to get the flesh tones. Tom G.

Tom G wrote: > "Fred Hiltz" <not@home.ca> wrote: > [snip] >> Aligned/unaligned affects where clone brushes (in PSP and >> all other editors AFAIK) pick up their source material at >> the *start* of each stroke... > > ... for some reason on my version of PSP8, I can only get > the unchecked align box have an effect if I'm working with > two images with slightly different names. Might have > something to do with my inability to understand layers > completely or something. One of the tutorials within the > program covered how to do this...I think it was on coloring > black and white photos using color from a color photo to > get the flesh tones. The name of the files from which you opened the images should not affect the way the tool works. Perhaps you opened one image, then did Windows > New to open a second view of the same image. In that case, changes will appear in both views as you work. Without knowing more about the characteristics of your images, the tutorial you are trying, where you are in it, what you expect to see, and what you do see, I cannot guess more. Is your version PSP 8.10? If not, an update is in order, although I do not recall any trouble with Clone being fixed there. Please try the tool with one or two test images, both containing just the Background layer. That will eliminate any differences due to the Sample Merged setting. -- Fred Hiltz, fhiltz at yahoo dot com

I get exactly the same too... Alex <colin.steadman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1146736549.029414.11390@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > Hi Tom, > > Something seems to be wrong, that doesn't seem to work. > > I have opened the image (A), and then hit CTRL+C > CTRL+V to copy and > paste a new image (B), rather than doing a 'Save As'. I then removed > the tick from 'Aligned Mode' and selected the source for the clone > brush with a right mouse click in iamge (B). However when I left click > to apply the brush in image (A), the source still moves around in (B). > > > I'm not sure what 'Aligned Mode' is supposed to do (I cant find the > detailed help for the clone tool), but it doesn't seem to have any > effect, whether its on or off... Even if I try it in the same image, > the source still moves around. > > ? > > Colin >

On Wed, 17 May 2006 13:34:18 +0100, "alex" <alex.cruse@btinternet.com> wrote: >I get exactly the same too... > >Alex > ><colin.steadman@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:1146736549.029414.11390@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >> Hi Tom, >> >> Something seems to be wrong, that doesn't seem to work. >> >> I have opened the image (A), and then hit CTRL+C > CTRL+V to copy and >> paste a new image (B), rather than doing a 'Save As'. I then removed >> the tick from 'Aligned Mode' and selected the source for the clone >> brush with a right mouse click in iamge (B). However when I left click >> to apply the brush in image (A), the source still moves around in (B). >> >> >> I'm not sure what 'Aligned Mode' is supposed to do (I cant find the >> detailed help for the clone tool), but it doesn't seem to have any >> effect, whether its on or off... Even if I try it in the same image, >> the source still moves around. >> >> ? >> >> Colin Well it works OK in 9 and X for me. With no tick in the Aligned Mode box the source remains in a fixed position as long as you click on the target (once or several times). If you click and drag then the source moves but at the end of the drag the source returns to its original point. With Aligned Mode ticked the source moves relatively to the target movement. -- Regards David: NorthWest, England

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