My apologies - I forgot to paste in the link:

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?
pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=
1047023901915

-- 
ATM

All Things Mopar wrote:
> 
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915

Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit, 
Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It 
always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent 
companies may have flaws, but their personnel are 
present and human, and their products reflect needs 
that actual individual users present in places like 
this newsgroup.

If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's 
the difference now?

Dennis

Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> 
> All Things Mopar wrote:
> >
> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
> 
> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
> present and human, and their products reflect needs
> that actual individual users present in places like
> this newsgroup.
> 
> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
> the difference now?

Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
Album products continue. The same people continue to
work on the same products.

> Dennis

Yes, JASC's success is all about "value" of product and support.

Not necessarily true of Corel, AFAIK.

Will cultures collide? If they do, we know which one will survive.

Mr. Zaklika... mark your calendar for a year from new, and let us know
how much of your post is still true which I hope it is.

Thanks for being there for us-- your customers!

R.

======On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika
<kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote:=======

>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>work on the same products.
>
>> Dennis

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzaklika@jasc.com>
wrote:

>Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>> 
>> All Things Mopar wrote:
>> >
>> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>> 
>> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
>> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
>> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
>> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
>> present and human, and their products reflect needs
>> that actual individual users present in places like
>> this newsgroup.
>> 
>> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
>> the difference now?
>
>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>work on the same products.
>
>> Dennis




They also said that Chrysler would still be Chrysler after being
bought by the German co. That is very suspect.
I'm so sorry that this happened, but I guess some of the higher ups
with benefit with more green. Would anyone ever be willing to tell the
whole truth about the deal?

Kris Zaklika wrote:
> 
> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> > If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
> > the difference now?
> 
> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
> Album products continue. The same people continue to
> work on the same products.

I hope that remains true. If it does, it becomes the exception to recent
acquisitions of software I've used with great enthusiasm over the years.
The loss of Cool Edit began a feature bloat when it became Adobe
Audition, and complete abandonment of advice for earlier versions. The
same holds true for Sony's taking over Video Factory, which now (as a
baby version of Vegas) doesn't install properly and where support can't
fix problems.

I've appreciated PSP over the years ... I started with a version on
diskettes, either version 3 or earlier. Its easy and fast UI has always
maintained working efficiency over Photoshop, which I keep only for
certain tasks.

Best of luck in the future. I'll keep upgrading PSP as long as it exists
in a personally supported, user-centric product.

Dennis

All Things Mopar (none@none.xxx) writes:
> My apologies - I forgot to paste in the link:
> 
> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?
> pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=
> 1047023901915
> 
> -- 
> ATM


Here's the first paragraph from the latest Corel newsletter:

To Our Valued Customers,

Since becoming a private company last year, Corel is a stable, growing
organization. Offering our customers access to more top quality,
competitively priced software products forms an important part of our
current and future growth plans and I am pleased to tell you that today
Corel acquired Jasc Software, Inc., the award-winning developer of the
Paint Shop family of digital photography, imaging and graphics software. I
am confident that this acquisition will deliver immediate benefits to you,
our valued customer. 


I guess they realized PhotoPaint, despite a couple of nice features, just
wasn't competative.

Brendan
--

fugitive (gregfarr@earthlink..net) writes:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzaklika@jasc.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>>> 
>>> All Things Mopar wrote:
>>> >
>>> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>>> 
>>> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
>>> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
>>> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
>>> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
>>> present and human, and their products reflect needs
>>> that actual individual users present in places like
>>> this newsgroup.
>>> 
>>> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
>>> the difference now?
>>
>>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>work on the same products.
>>
>>> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They also said that Chrysler would still be Chrysler after being
> bought by the German co. That is very suspect.
> I'm so sorry that this happened, but I guess some of the higher ups
> with benefit with more green. Would anyone ever be willing to tell the
> whole truth about the deal?


The worse thing for upgraders is that Corel is VERY interested in
maintaining a "list" price, rarely offering anything other than the
standard deal.  

Brendan
--

No one has anything to WORRY ABOUT AT ALL. Corel, like Jasc, has long been
known for providing superb value for the money. With their efforts combined,
I belive Paint Shop Pro will only get better.




"Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
news:416EC1F9.F5A6839@jasc.com...
> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> >
> > All Things Mopar wrote:
> > >
> >
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release
&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
> >
> > Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
> > Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
> > always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
> > companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
> > present and human, and their products reflect needs
> > that actual individual users present in places like
> > this newsgroup.
> >
> > If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
> > the difference now?
>
> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
> Album products continue. The same people continue to
> work on the same products.
>
> > Dennis

"Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
news:416EC1F9.F5A6839@jasc.com
> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>>
>> All Things Mopar wrote:
>>>
>> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>>
>> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
>> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
>> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
>> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
>> present and human, and their products reflect needs
>> that actual individual users present in places like
>> this newsgroup.
>>
>> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
>> the difference now?
>
> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
> Album products continue. The same people continue to
> work on the same products.

I'm really glad to hear that Kris.  I was about to get very despondent.
McG.

>
>> Dennis

Kris Zaklika wrote:
> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> 
>>All Things Mopar wrote:
>>
>>http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>>
>>Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
>>Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
>>always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
>>companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
>>present and human, and their products reflect needs
>>that actual individual users present in places like
>>this newsgroup.
>>
>>If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
>>the difference now?
> 
> 
> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> Corel right now.

Financial difficulties, Kris?

:-)

Uni

In article <416EC1F9.F5A6839@jasc.com>, kzaklika@jasc.com says...

> 
> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
> Album products continue. The same people continue to
> work on the same products.
> 
> 

I hope this remains true for the life of the product.  The folks at Jasc 
have always given a good value for the product.  But I paid $49 for the 
boxed edition of PSP v9 upgrade and I now see the price for the very 
same thing is $59.  Since nothing with the product has changed, I don't 
understand the reason for the increase in price.  I've always enjoyed 
using PSP as it provides pretty much all the functionality I need.  But 
I just don't trust Corel as their products are overpriced like Adobe's 
(IMHO) and they have "pay for support" so I can't help but be 
disappointed that Corel now has their hands on the steering wheel.

(Just my unfounded opinion that I hope is wrong.)

-- 
Keith Hemmelman
---------------
mail - khemmelman
domain - pie.midco.net
(Reassemble for mail)

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzaklika@jasc.com>
wrote:

>Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>> 
>> All Things Mopar wrote:
>> >
>> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>> 
>> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
>> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
>> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
>> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
>> present and human, and their products reflect needs
>> that actual individual users present in places like
>> this newsgroup.
>> 
>> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
>> the difference now?
>
>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>work on the same products.
>

Unless you are good at something Corel needs for one of it's existing
products, I'd be getting my resume out and around soon.  You all may
be working on the same products now, but I have my doubts that such
products will still exist at some time in the not-so-distant future.

Larger software companies buy out smaller software companies for one
of two reasons.  Either to branch out to acquire a new product and
market, or to absorb and eliminate a competitor within the same
market.  Since Corel already produces graphics products, I must assume
the latter in this case.

At some point in the future, I anticipate a press announcement from
Corel corporate that PSP  and other JASC products will no longer be
supported, and that most JASC staff will see severence notices inside
your pay statements.

Of course, there's a chance I could be wrong... 
Whatever happens, good luck!

I have been a long time user of both products. PSP since it was a dos based 
file conversion program and CorelDraw 3.0. I do all my photo editing and 
digital work in PSP and all my layout and vector work in Corel. They both 
work well together and I would be lost without either of these products on 
my desktop. I pray that they continue to develop both lines and make them 
both better and greater than they are now. I currently use PSP 9.0 and 
CorelDraw 12.0.

Bruce Brown.

"Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <bathory@bathory.org> wrote in message 
news:1097773597.P6rteitJEA1tUb3nH/RP+A@onlynews...
> All Things Mopar wrote:
>>
> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>
> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
> present and human, and their products reflect needs
> that actual individual users present in places like
> this newsgroup.
>
> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
> the difference now?
>
> Dennis 

"Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <bathory@bathory.org> wrote in message 
news:1097773597.P6rteitJEA1tUb3nH/RP+A@onlynews...
> All Things Mopar wrote:
>>
> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>
> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
> companies may have flaws,

Corel *is* a small independent company. I'm surprised they've been able to 
hold on. 

I too have been a long time user of PSP ver 1 (still have the V1 3-1/2"
floppy) and Corel Draw ver 3 and have added upgrades as they were issued.
Both have worked very well for me, especially when I needed to work with a
vector image or add text to an image before PSP did some catching up. I
presently have both PSP V9 and CorelDraw Graphics Suite V12 on my computer.
I too hope that Corel does the right thing and treats it's hard earned
following right.

Matt D


"Bruce Brown" <bbrown5@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:xLEbd.310077$787.138875@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> I have been a long time user of both products. PSP since it was a dos
based
> file conversion program and CorelDraw 3.0. I do all my photo editing and
> digital work in PSP and all my layout and vector work in Corel. They both
> work well together and I would be lost without either of these products on
> my desktop. I pray that they continue to develop both lines and make them
> both better and greater than they are now. I currently use PSP 9.0 and
> CorelDraw 12.0.
>
> Bruce Brown.
>
> "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <bathory@bathory.org> wrote in message
> news:1097773597.P6rteitJEA1tUb3nH/RP+A@onlynews...
> > All Things Mopar wrote:
> >>
> >
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
> >
> > Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
> > Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
> > always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
> > companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
> > present and human, and their products reflect needs
> > that actual individual users present in places like
> > this newsgroup.
> >
> > If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
> > the difference now?
> >
> > Dennis
>
>

Oxford Systems wrote:
> 
> Corel *is* a small independent company. I'm surprised they've been able to
> hold on.

A small company with network television advertising? Our definitions of
small must be quite different. :)

Dennis

The Hemmelman's wrote:

> I hope this remains true for the life of the product.  The folks at Jasc 
> have always given a good value for the product.  But I paid $49 for the 
> boxed edition of PSP v9 upgrade and I now see the price for the very 
> same thing is $59.  Since nothing with the product has changed, I don't 
> understand the reason for the increase in price.  

The $49 price was pre-order pricing. They've done that as far back as I 
can remember. If you buy before actual release, it's a bit cheaper. Once 
the product goes gold, the price goes up slightly.


-- 
Angela M. Cable
Paint Shop Pro 9 Private Beta Tester
Neocognition, digital scrapbooking source:
http://www.neocognition.com/

PSP Tutorial Links:
http://www.psplinks.com/

5th Street Studio, free graphics, websets and more:
http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/alaia/354/

Angela M. Cable commented courteously ...

> The $49 price was pre-order pricing. They've done that as
> far back as I can remember. If you buy before actual
> release, it's a bit cheaper. Once the product goes gold,
> the price goes up slightly. 

Hi, Angela.

PSP 9 has been working pretty well for me, but I have filed 
3 serious annoyances. Can't help twanging your birdcage a 
bit, though, by calling beta 3 PSP "gold". Wasn't it the 
purpose of alchemy to try to turn lead to gold? Or, beta to 
production?

Can't blame all the new millionaires at Jasc one bit. With a 
bit of sleight of hand shipping beta 3 early, they got 
gobbled up by a big guy and hit the big time. Being that 
Jasc is privately held, can't be any problem with insider 
trading with the SEC.

Anyway, when the current flurry of pros and cons over 
Corel's acquisition dies down, we'll all go back to waiting 
for the upcoming maintenence release, hoping that Tech 
Support doesn't go 10-7, and hoping there will be a PSP 10 
someday.

Have a great evening!

-- 

Jerry

fugitive wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzaklika@jasc.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> >> 
> >> All Things Mopar wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/R
> elease&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915 >> >> Another one bites
> the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit, >> Sony bought Video Factory, now
> Corel buys JASC. It >> always makes me sad, because the small,
> indepedent >> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
> >> present and human, and their products reflect needs
> >> that actual individual users present in places like
> >> this newsgroup.
> >> 
> >> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
> >> the difference now?
> > 
> > Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> > working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> > Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
> > Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
> > Album products continue. The same people continue to
> > work on the same products.
> > 
> >> Dennis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They also said that Chrysler would still be Chrysler after being
> bought by the German co. That is very suspect.

Yes. But Chrysler could only become better. That makes a difference.


Michael

"Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <bathory@bathory.org> wrote in message news:1097804086.dNxIw9j0ngQE77reo3ohIQ@onlynews...
> Oxford Systems wrote:
>>
>> Corel *is* a small independent company. I'm surprised they've been able to
>> hold on.
>
> A small company with network television advertising? Our definitions of
> small must be quite different. :)
>
> Dennis

After downsizing they are under $120M in revenue, though most likely more profitable now because of it. This information 
is from Amish Mehta the acting CEO of Corel. Amish is a principle of Vector Capital who owns Corel.  Corel is sort of 
Amish's pet project right now.  If you read his interviews you will see two threads.  Marketing and Competing With 
Microsoft. Marketing channels and Amish are almost the same thing.  I'd say he bought JASC for their brand and for their 
marketing channel.  Note that in Amish's mind it's Word Perfect first, Draw second.  Interestingly enough Amish is the 
only one not in the 'team photo' for Vector Capital.

For those who care if you trace back to Vector Capital and get their thinking you'll see exactly why JASC was bought by 
Corel/Vector Capital.

So, Corel is a very small company in the world of today's companies.  Vector Capital could light a fire with $120M every 
day of the week for the rest of the year and not even notice it was gone.  Most likely they would toast marshmellows on 
the fire.  Vector Capital is no giant in the world of VCs (Venture Capitalists).

Also owned by Vector Capital is Real Networks.

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net 

I've worked for a several companies that had been bought out several times, and worked for larger companies that have 
bought many smaller companies.  Even once worked for a company that got bought by a bigger company that was a competitor 
of the bigger company I worked for as an onsite vender of the competition.  That was weird.  We could have no contact 
with the parent company and very limited contact with our own company.  Anyway I digress....

If the smaller company can maintain profits and provide abstract value to the parent company they usually pretty much 
leave you alone.  If the bean counters show up in the next few months think about getting out.  They are gutting the 
smaller company.  Seen it every time.  If the bean counters have already been there clear your mind and look for signs. 
Look for management changes that don't make sense.  Remember now it's about money and nothing else.  You are no longer 
JASC.  You are new and improved.  I'm not bitter I just kept an open mind and made quite a bit of money on mergers 
myself.  Look out for yourself first, the company won't.

Sometimes after the merger things actually get better and both companies find a way to work together and help each other 
out.  I've seen that too.

Good luck.

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net


"Richard Schafer" <x5x@xxx.com> wrote in message news:pjgtm0dba9rch31rm1jc5o1l4qtm465sbl@4ax.com...
> Yes, JASC's success is all about "value" of product and support.
>
> Not necessarily true of Corel, AFAIK.
>
> Will cultures collide? If they do, we know which one will survive.
>
> Mr. Zaklika... mark your calendar for a year from new, and let us know
> how much of your post is still true which I hope it is.
>
> Thanks for being there for us-- your customers!
>
> R.
>
> ======On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika
> <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote:=======
>
>>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>work on the same products.
>>
>>> Dennis
> 

Cory Seedan wrote:
[snip]

> Larger software companies buy out smaller software companies for one
> of two reasons.

By various measures Corel is a company about three times
the size of Jasc and, like Jasc, is privately held.

> Either to branch out to acquire a new product and
> market, or to absorb and eliminate a competitor within the same
> market.  Since Corel already produces graphics products, I must assume
> the latter in this case.

If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
because Jasc and Corel products provide different capabilities
and compete in different markets. They complement each other
and now all these products are available from a single
company - Corel.

[snip]

> Whatever happens, good luck!

Thank you.

Kris Zaklika wrote:
> Cory Seedan wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>Larger software companies buy out smaller software companies for one
>>of two reasons.
> 
> 
> By various measures Corel is a company about three times
> the size of Jasc and, like Jasc, is privately held.
> 
> 
>>Either to branch out to acquire a new product and
>>market, or to absorb and eliminate a competitor within the same
>>market.  Since Corel already produces graphics products, I must assume
>>the latter in this case.
> 
> 
> If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
> seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
> and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
> software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
> because Jasc and Corel products provide different capabilities
> and compete in different markets. They complement each other
> and now all these products are available from a single
> company - Corel.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>Whatever happens, good luck!
> 
> 
> Thank you.

Boy, you're up early, Kris. Another sleepless night, perhaps?

:-)

See, Kris, it pays to be nice to The Uni.

:-)

Uni

Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...

> If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
> seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
> and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
> software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
> because Jasc and Corel products provide different
> capabilities and compete in different markets. They
> complement each other and now all these products are
> available from a single company - Corel.

Good points, Kris.

But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not 
development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior 
management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily 
survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much 
higher cost?

-- 
ATM

All Things Mopar wrote:
> 
> Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
> 
> > If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
> > seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
> > and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
> > software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
> > because Jasc and Corel products provide different
> > capabilities and compete in different markets. They
> > complement each other and now all these products are
> > available from a single company - Corel.
> 
> Good points, Kris.
> 
> But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not
> development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior
> management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily
> survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much
> higher cost?

I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
very high value, a very high set of features and very high
compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
Do you see the correlation?
 
> --
> ATM

Carl Frisk wrote:

> If the smaller company can maintain profits
> and provide abstract value to the parent
> company they usually pretty much leave you
> alone.

Huh? "Abstract value?" What is that, on a
financial statement? If the smaller company
is providing cash to the larger company, look
for the larger company to eliminate the
capital budgets of the smaller company,
thereby ruining their future projects. 

Kris Zaklika wrote:

> I ... met with ... the Corel CEO...
> In the words of the Corel CEO:
> "We are aggressively focused on providing
> software that delivers very high value, a very
> high set of features and very high compatibility
> with other products out there and on becoming
> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB
> customer's software provider of choice."

I do not find Dilbert-speak reassuring.

> ... compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
> Do you see the correlation?

Yes. I see the price-point of PSP increasing;
I see suite packaging, and I see marketing decisions
being made to increase the "perception of value"
as Corel defines it, not as the traditional PSP
customer has come to define it. I also see,
as a long-time WordPerfect user and long-time
PSP user, a degradation of support, coding
talent and responsiveness.

If what Corel did to WordPerfect is any clue,
new major releases will include long-standing
flaws left unaddressed and provide limited new
functionality. Major new flaws will be introduced,
and previously-functioning modules will be
removed or broken with no mention. For the
last few releases of WordPerfect, for example,
the spell checker does not work properly with
possessives (all properly-spelled words with
an apostrophe are tagged as misspelled), and
the dictionary has been unfit for use in a Kinder-
garten class (a good one is sold at additional
cost to the user). These problems will persist
despite numerous patches, and no "escalation
to Corel" will result in their resolution -- for years.

While WordPerfect was once a fine stand-alone
word processor, it is now practically unavailable
separate from the office suite, which packages
it with a set of utilities and other programs of
little value to the user of WP, but which drive
up the "value" as defined by Corel, and thus
the price point. I look for the "PSP Suite" to be
pumped up with extras and "valuable" additions,
and for the price to rise closer to that of PS CS.

I look for the kind of vapid marketing blahblah
quoted above to be plastered all over the Corel
website, and for the triumphal horns to sound
as the once-fine JASC product becomes one
crippled with the unsatisfying Corel corporate
methodology. Sorry, but I've used WordPerfect
every day for the last 20 years -- every day --
and have purchased every single upgrade. I'm
quite familiar with what a Corel takeover means
to a niche product.

There are many in the WP community who are
eager for Corel to succeed, and I am one. But
I have been disappointed in the lack of talent
at Corel focused on solving the long-standing
technical problems with WP -- there is still no
Unicode support, for example. It's very frustrating
to see a major issue, such as, say, inability to
properly format an envelope, be "escalated
to Corel," then sit for months, then years,
through patch after patch after patch, into
the next major release, then the next, before
it is finally, unsatisfactorily addressed.

This starts at the top, with the guy you quote
as saying they want to "deliver very high
value, a very high set of features" -- which I
interpret to mean "expensive bloat."

This is marketing drivel designed to impress
investors. "We will charge good money and
deliver lots of new features."

I would have been more comforted had the
CEO's comment mentioned technical excellence,
a focus on recruiting and retaining technical
personnel, and on responding to customer
issues.

Corel -- in real estate parlance -- is all about
curb appeal. The furnace doesn't work, and
there isn't any insulation in the attic, but the
house sure looks good in the advertisement. 

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:

> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
> Album products continue. The same people continue to
> work on the same products.

Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of that?
I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them, but Jasc have always
seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming team
who know what they're doing.

cheers,

Jules

Tetractys commented courteously ...

> Kris Zaklika wrote:
> 
>> I ... met with ... the Corel CEO...
>> In the words of the Corel CEO:
>> "We are aggressively focused on providing
>> software that delivers very high value

[snip]

> I do not find Dilbert-speak reassuring.

That's precious!
 
> If what Corel did to WordPerfect is any clue,
> new major releases will include long-standing
> flaws left unaddressed and provide limited new
> functionality. Major new flaws will be introduced,
> and previously-functioning modules will be
> removed or broken with no mention. For the
> last few releases of WordPerfect.

[snip]

Back in 1997-98, Chrysler, where I worked, did a year-long 
study whether to stay with what was termed "best of the 
breed" (Lotus 1-2-3, Lotus FreeLance, and WordPerfect), go 
with the emerging suites, or simply cut-over to Microsoft 
Office 97.

The decision to convert to Office 97 was not a suprise to 
the IT folks or the Finance folks, but it sure hit the 
everyday users hard! The learning curve was very steep, lots 
of people had to go to long classes to *barely* be able to 
do their job, etc.

One good thing: Chrysler negotiated a deal with M$ to sell 
Office 97 to all of us for our home PCs for only $26 (!). 
The idea was to intice home users to learn the product, 
which would help on the job.

That's a long way around the mulberry bush to my saying that 
it looks like Chrysler made the right decision. WordPerfect, 
1-2-3, and FreeLance were and are superior to Office, but 
Office is now the "standard of the world", much like PS CS, 
and you've very eloquently pointed out how an excellent 
product like WordPerfect, written by a very small company, 
can be completely destroyed by a greedy owner.

Too bad. I feel sorry for the pain and suffering you go 
through with WP. And, of course, I'd hate to see that happen 
with PSP.

It also pains me greatly that the only Jasc'er that is 
active here and on the Jasc User Forums is Kris Zaklika. 
Everyone learns from his many helpful tips, mini tuts, 
explanation of arcane mathematical things about graphics, 
etc.

But, I *really* wish that someone in Jasc Tech Support 
*management* would answer the TS issues, and I *really* wish 
someone in Jasc "senior management" would answer these Corel 
questions, and without "Dilbert speak".

Kris sometimes acts like a Jasc "official" spokesman but 
when pressed, quickly qualifies his statements as reflecting 
his research function within the company. That takes nothing 
away from his considerable credentials as a graphics expert, 
but doesn't say much for his credibility as a Jasc 
spokesman.

-- 

Jerry

P.S. Don't bother replying, Kris. I already know what you'd 
say. 

All Things Mopar wrote:
[snip]

> Kris sometimes acts like a Jasc "official" spokesman but
> when pressed, quickly qualifies his statements as reflecting
> his research function within the company. That takes nothing
> away from his considerable credentials as a graphics expert,
> but doesn't say much for his credibility as a Jasc
> spokesman.

I've said what is appropriate for me to say. For the official
Jasc spokesman's version, or rather Corel spokesman's version
since there is no separate Jasc company, read the web site:
http://www.jasc.com/aboutjasc/?
I never post to newsgroups or forums in any official capacity.
I simply choose not to hide my affiliation with Jasc. Any
official statements come from official sources. See this link:
http://www.jasc.com/aboutjasc/contact/?
In particular note the Director of Corporate Communications.

> --
> 
> Jerry
> 
> P.S. Don't bother replying, Kris. I already know what you'd
> say.

I take pride in being less predictable than you.

Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...

> I've said what is appropriate for me to say. For the 
official
> Jasc spokesman's version, or rather Corel spokesman's 
version
> since there is no separate Jasc company, read the web 
site:
> http://www.jasc.com/aboutjasc/?

> I never post to newsgroups or forums in any official 
capacity.
> I simply choose not to hide my affiliation with Jasc. Any
> official statements come from official sources. See this 
link:
> http://www.jasc.com/aboutjasc/contact/?
> In particular note the Director of Corporate 
Communications.

You should know, Dr. Zaklika, that whenever *any* person 
from *any* company says something in a public forum, they 
are actually acting in an official manner, even if they are 
not authorized to do so by their management.

If you don't believe that, ask your lawyers...

  -- Jerry

All Things Mopar wrote:
[snip]

> You should know, Dr. Zaklika, that whenever *any* person
> from *any* company says something in a public forum, they
> are actually acting in an official manner, even if they are
> not authorized to do so by their management.

I guess you feel that only retired and out of work persons
are entitled to speak for themselves in public. According
to you, anyone who works for a living is speaking for their
company. However, I am not. I am a former employee of Jasc,
currently working for Corel Corporation, trying to help
users of PSP understand the product and to reassure them
that we haven't all gone away because of the Jasc purchase.
If Corel has a different policy about my participation in
newsgroups than did Jasc, I will follow that policy.

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:59:23 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzaklika@jasc.com>
wrote:

>All Things Mopar wrote:
>[snip]
>
>> You should know, Dr. Zaklika, that whenever *any* person
>> from *any* company says something in a public forum, they
>> are actually acting in an official manner, even if they are
>> not authorized to do so by their management.
>
>I guess you feel that only retired and out of work persons
>are entitled to speak for themselves in public. According
>to you, anyone who works for a living is speaking for their
>company. However, I am not. I am a former employee of Jasc,
>currently working for Corel Corporation, trying to help
>users of PSP understand the product and to reassure them
>that we haven't all gone away because of the Jasc purchase.
>If Corel has a different policy about my participation in
>newsgroups than did Jasc, I will follow that policy.

"All Things Mopar" is incorrect.  _Official_statements_ can only come
from _officers_, or specifically-designated spokespersons.

                                        ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Kris Zaklika wrote:

> If Corel has a different policy about my participation in
> newsgroups than did Jasc, I will follow that policy.

And we will all keep our fingers crossed that there policy is in line with 
the company formerly known as Jasc! 

Jim Thompson commented courteously ...

> "All Things Mopar" is incorrect.  _Official_statements_ 
can
> only come from _officers_, or specifically-designated
> spokespersons. 

You are right in what you say, but that does not make what I 
said incorrect. Let's review a few things.

U.S. Labor Law differentiates between active (on-roll) and 
inactive (laid off or retireed) employees, which goes to Dr. 
Zaklika's retort to me in a post above. U.S. Labor Law also 
deals with the complexities of what is known as "implied 
employment", which most often comes up with temps and 
contractors.

Bob Voit, owner of the former Jasc, and the CEO of Corel 
can, and did, make *official* statements about what has 
happened so far and what everyone can expect in the future. 
These statements are necessarily vague for what should be 
obvious reasons.

Spokespersons for a U.S. Corporations must be authorized by 
an Officer to make "official" statements to the press, as 
you observed in your comment to me. However, and this is a 
*big* however, it is very easy for an authorized spokesman 
to stray from the "approved" statement during a press 
interview or in a variety of other ways, such as posting to 
a company-sponsor User Forum or to a Usenet NG.

Then, there are a variety of ways that people below the rank 
of Officer come in contact with the press. They may have 
many titles, some even as so-called "executives" of the 
company. What they say technically is *not* approved by an 
officer (how could it be, it is speaking extemporaneously) 
and may not even represent the management direction of their 
company.

Then we have "on the record" and "off the record". But, I'll 
put that confusion aside for now...

I know nothing at all about Canadaian corporate or employee 
law, nor do I know anything substantial about the specific 
laws governing a privately held company, such as Jasc 
formerly was.

But, in my company, which was publically held in the U.S. 
prior to a merger with DaimlerChrysler AG, over the years 
there were a very large number of cases where executives, 
managers, engineers, marketing specialists, financial 
analysts, what have you, make statements without official 
authorization that later came back to haunt the company in 
court battles over such things as product liability, full 
financial disclosure, shareholder lawsuits, express or 
implied promises to perform, product content and direction, 
and the like.

What someone from Jasc chooses to say or not say is entirely 
their business. I was simply commenting that an employee, 
particularly someone of Dr. Zaklika's position in the 
company, should not make off-hand comments which might be 
construed by the public as being the official position of 
the company.

Again, this is less an issue for a privately held company, 
as there is no risk of investors being misled. Having said 
that, I believe that Dr. Zaklika has commented in the past 
that Jasc did have a Board of Directors, and I imagine that 
Corel does as well, under the appropriate Canadian statutes 
governing privately held corporations.

In conclusion, employees of a company, public or private, 
cannot close the door to corporate liability when making 
statements after normal business hours. It isn't that 
simple. And, IMHO, it is far more dangerous to quote would-
be policy on Usenet than it is when talking to the press.

Keep in mind, these are my educated opinions based on 
working with attorneys on a variety of legal issues, 
principally copyright, trademark, and information security, 
although early in my career as an engineer I did assist 
attorneys doing work to defend the company in product 
liability cases. I am not an attorney or paralegal and do 
not claim to be giving legal advice in any form.

-- 

Jerry

>I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
>the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
>in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
>aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
>very high value, a very high set of features and very high
>compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
>the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
>software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
>such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
>the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
>they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
>value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
>to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
>Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
>Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
>($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
>or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
>parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
>Do you see the correlation?





Maybe ot, but I was part of a nice company, bought by a larger one.
Anyone ever hear of North American Aviation? The built the Saturn 5,
Apollo  of moon shot fame. While I was still working there in, 1968
the name changed to North American Rockwell, and some time later, to
Rockwell. Fully obsorbed. Like an octopus, eating smaller octopi.

In article <416EC1F9.F5A6839@jasc.com>,
Kris Zaklika  <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote:

>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>work on the same products.

Sure, right now.  But Corel's entire corporate history basically
consists of 1) making CorelDraw, and 2) buying products and then
making them suck.  It's hard to believe that the powerful Sucking
Force Corel emanates will fail to taint PSP.

-- 
Mike Kozlowski
http://www.klio.org/mlk/

I think it stinks.
It seldom happens that a product remains as good as it once was once aquired 
by a larger company. Politics always becomes a factor.
I personally think this stinks.

Oh! And speaking of upgrades, I purchased mine, have yet to receive it!

Kate
PSP user since Ver. 4

"Brendan R. Wehrung" <ck183@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message 
news:ckmtd9$m35$1@freenet9.carleton.ca...
|
| fugitive (gregfarr@earthlink..net) writes:
| > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzaklika@jasc.com>
| > wrote:
| >
| >>Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
| >>>
| >>> All Things Mopar wrote:
| >>> >
| >>> 
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release&sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
| >>>
| >>> Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
| >>> Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
| >>> always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
| >>> companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
| >>> present and human, and their products reflect needs
| >>> that actual individual users present in places like
| >>> this newsgroup.
| >>>
| >>> If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
| >>> the difference now?
| >>
| >>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
| >>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
| >>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
| >>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
| >>Album products continue. The same people continue to
| >>work on the same products.
| >>
| >>> Dennis
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > They also said that Chrysler would still be Chrysler after being
| > bought by the German co. That is very suspect.
| > I'm so sorry that this happened, but I guess some of the higher ups
| > with benefit with more green. Would anyone ever be willing to tell the
| > whole truth about the deal?
|
|
| The worse thing for upgraders is that Corel is VERY interested in
| maintaining a "list" price, rarely offering anything other than the
| standard deal.
|
| Brendan
| --
|
| 

"Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
news:416FBF0C.40CE616B@jasc.com...
> All Things Mopar wrote:
> >
> > Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
> >
> > > If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
> > > seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
> > > and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
> > > software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
> > > because Jasc and Corel products provide different
> > > capabilities and compete in different markets. They
> > > complement each other and now all these products are
> > > available from a single company - Corel.
> >
> > Good points, Kris.
> >
> > But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not
> > development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior
> > management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily
> > survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much
> > higher cost?
>
> I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
> the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
> in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
> aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
> very high value, a very high set of features and very high
> compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
> software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
> such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
> the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
> they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
> value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
> to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
> Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
> Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
> ($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
> or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
> parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
> Do you see the correlation?

I am very encouraged by this news - I've used many Corel products, including
the Graphics Suite, and Painter, and have wished that many of the things
I've liked in those products could become part of PSP.  Who knew?

I think it's a good sign that Venture has remodeled the historically
embattled Corel structure  (three cheers for the American Way ;-))))))  A
bigger company doesn't have to mean bad things - lots more company resources
now can be used to give me goodies.

Kris, Kris, can I have a textile filter now?  How about a better gradient
tool?  How about... objects on a path?

Now's a good time to ask Santa.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

Not so.  If a company can buy another company that provides intangible assets like a strong partnership\working 
relationship into another company or market segment that they couldn't reach before, it goes on the bottom line in the 
decision making process and in the addendums of the financial statements.  Eventually marketing will pick that point up 
and spread the word.  As I think we have already begun to see with Corel/JASC.  This is a good sign.  Corel wanted JASC 
for the still growing digital photography market.  Amish Metah stated this without mentioning JASC around January of 
this year if I remember right.
One thing Amish is, is smart and knows how to make money.  That's his job.  He knows full well how to spend money to 
make money.  Hopefully he sees the sense in budgeting JASC well enough to accomplish the market penetration he is 
seeking.  This doesn't mean that JASC won't see a budget restructure, it will.  How it plays out is anyone's guess, even 
Amish's.  Amish is not afraid to spend money to make money, that is a plus for JASC.  He also will be watching for 
returns much more closely than the current culture at JASC is used to IMO.

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net


"Tetractys" <usenetdog@tetractysdog.com> wrote in message news:VtadnaTwuaHASPLcRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> Carl Frisk wrote:
>
>> If the smaller company can maintain profits
>> and provide abstract value to the parent
>> company they usually pretty much leave you
>> alone.
>
> Huh? "Abstract value?" What is that, on a
> financial statement? If the smaller company
> is providing cash to the larger company, look
> for the larger company to eliminate the
> capital budgets of the smaller company,
> thereby ruining their future projects.
> 

"Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:ckpmim0112l@news2.newsguy.com...
> 
> "Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
> news:416FBF0C.40CE616B@jasc.com...
>> All Things Mopar wrote:
>> >
>> > Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
>> >
>> > > If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
>> > > seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
>> > > and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
>> > > software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
>> > > because Jasc and Corel products provide different
>> > > capabilities and compete in different markets. They
>> > > complement each other and now all these products are
>> > > available from a single company - Corel.
>> >
>> > Good points, Kris.
>> >
>> > But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not
>> > development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior
>> > management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily
>> > survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much
>> > higher cost?
>>
>> I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
>> the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
>> in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
>> aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
>> very high value, a very high set of features and very high
>> compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
>> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
>> software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
>> such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
>> the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
>> they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
>> value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
>> to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
>> Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
>> Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
>> ($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
>> or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
>> parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
>> Do you see the correlation?
> 
> I am very encouraged by this news - I've used many Corel products, including
> the Graphics Suite, and Painter, and have wished that many of the things
> I've liked in those products could become part of PSP.  Who knew?
> 
> I think it's a good sign that Venture has remodeled the historically
> embattled Corel structure  (three cheers for the American Way ;-))))))  A
> bigger company doesn't have to mean bad things - lots more company resources
> now can be used to give me goodies.
> 
> Kris, Kris, can I have a textile filter now?  How about a better gradient
> tool?  How about... objects on a path?
> 
> Now's a good time to ask Santa.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> 
> 
>

That's Vector Capital not Venture.  Great feature requests BTW!
http://www.vectorcapital.com/ 

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net

Carl Frisk wrote:
> "Dennis Bathory-Kitsz" <bathory@bathory.org> wrote in message 
> news:1097804086.dNxIw9j0ngQE77reo3ohIQ@onlynews...
> 
>> Oxford Systems wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Corel *is* a small independent company. I'm surprised they've been 
>>> able to
>>> hold on.
>>
>>
>> A small company with network television advertising? Our definitions of
>> small must be quite different. :)
>>
>> Dennis
> 
> 
> After downsizing they are under $120M in revenue, though most likely 
> more profitable now because of it. This information is from Amish Mehta 
> the acting CEO of Corel. Amish is a principle of Vector Capital who owns 
> Corel.

Amish Mehta, eh? Nice all American name, I must say.

:-)

Uni



   Corel is sort of Amish's pet project right now.  If you read his
> interviews you will see two threads.  Marketing and Competing With 
> Microsoft. Marketing channels and Amish are almost the same thing.  I'd 
> say he bought JASC for their brand and for their marketing channel.  
> Note that in Amish's mind it's Word Perfect first, Draw second.  
> Interestingly enough Amish is the only one not in the 'team photo' for 
> Vector Capital.
> 
> For those who care if you trace back to Vector Capital and get their 
> thinking you'll see exactly why JASC was bought by Corel/Vector Capital.
> 
> So, Corel is a very small company in the world of today's companies.  
> Vector Capital could light a fire with $120M every day of the week for 
> the rest of the year and not even notice it was gone.  Most likely they 
> would toast marshmellows on the fire.  Vector Capital is no giant in the 
> world of VCs (Venture Capitalists).
> 
> Also owned by Vector Capital is Real Networks.
> 

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:35:59 GMT, "Carl Frisk"
<carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Also owned by Vector Capital is Real Networks.

Now there's a comforting statement if I ever saw one.

Kris Zaklika wrote:
> All Things Mopar wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>You should know, Dr. Zaklika, that whenever *any* person
>>from *any* company says something in a public forum, they
>>are actually acting in an official manner, even if they are
>>not authorized to do so by their management.
> 
> 
> I guess you feel that only retired and out of work persons
> are entitled to speak for themselves in public. According
> to you, anyone who works for a living is speaking for their
> company. However, I am not. I am a former employee of Jasc,
> currently working for Corel Corporation, trying to help
> users of PSP understand the product and to reassure them
> that we haven't all gone away because of the Jasc purchase.
> If Corel has a different policy about my participation in
> newsgroups than did Jasc, I will follow that policy.

Not to worry, Kris. You can always use an alias and Amish Mehta will 
know nothing about your usenet activity. Honest!!!

:-)

Uni

Cliff wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:35:59 GMT, "Carl Frisk"
> <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Also owned by Vector Capital is Real Networks.
> 
> 
> Now there's a comforting statement if I ever saw one.

Wait a second, Cliff. Is that the Real Player Real Network? I haven't 
come across a Real Player file in ages!!!!

:-)

Uni

Sally Beacham wrote:
> "Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
> news:416FBF0C.40CE616B@jasc.com...
> 
>>All Things Mopar wrote:
>>
>>>Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
>>>>seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
>>>>and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
>>>>software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
>>>>because Jasc and Corel products provide different
>>>>capabilities and compete in different markets. They
>>>>complement each other and now all these products are
>>>>available from a single company - Corel.
>>>
>>>Good points, Kris.
>>>
>>>But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not
>>>development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior
>>>management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily
>>>survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much
>>>higher cost?
>>
>>I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
>>the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
>>in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
>>aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
>>very high value, a very high set of features and very high
>>compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
>>the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
>>software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
>>such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
>>the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
>>they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
>>value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
>>to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
>>Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
>>Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
>>($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
>>or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
>>parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
>>Do you see the correlation?
> 
> 
> I am very encouraged by this news - I've used many Corel products, including
> the Graphics Suite, and Painter, and have wished that many of the things
> I've liked in those products could become part of PSP.  Who knew?
> 
> I think it's a good sign that Venture has remodeled the historically
> embattled Corel structure  (three cheers for the American Way ;-))))))  A
> bigger company doesn't have to mean bad things - lots more company resources
> now can be used to give me goodies.
> 
> Kris, Kris, can I have a textile filter now?  How about a better gradient
> tool?  How about... objects on a path?
> 
> Now's a good time to ask Santa.
> 
> 

Hey, Sally, are you and Ron Lacey going to team up again and write books 
about Corel Software, now?

:-)

Uni

All Things Mopar (none@none.xxx) writes:
> Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
> 
>> If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
>> seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
>> and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
>> software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
>> because Jasc and Corel products provide different
>> capabilities and compete in different markets. They
>> complement each other and now all these products are
>> available from a single company - Corel.
> 
> Good points, Kris.
> 
> But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not 
> development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior 
> management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily 
> survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much 
> higher cost?
> 
> -- 
> ATM


Or a redux dumbed down version of Corel Essentials, with (say) Draw 10 and
PSP 8 minus vector capabilities)?   It ight actually be quite capable, at
that.

Brendan

--

Jules wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
> 
> 
>>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>work on the same products.
> 
> 
> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of that?
> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,

http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html

  but Jasc have always
> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming team
> who know what they're doing.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Jules
> 

Kris Zaklika (kzaklika@jasc.com) writes:
> All Things Mopar wrote:
>> 
>> Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
>> 
>> > If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
>> > seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
>> > and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
>> > software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
>> > because Jasc and Corel products provide different
>> > capabilities and compete in different markets. They
>> > complement each other and now all these products are
>> > available from a single company - Corel.
>> 
>> Good points, Kris.
>> 
>> But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not
>> development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior
>> management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily
>> survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much
>> higher cost?
> 
> I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
> the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
> in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
> aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
> very high value, a very high set of features and very high
> compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
> software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
> such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
> the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
> they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
> value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
> to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
> Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
> Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
> ($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
> or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
> parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
> Do you see the correlation?
>  
>> --
>> ATM


Unless they change their marketing tactics, the active words for Corel are
"price points".  I'm one of those patient shoppers who will live with old
versions until the bugs are corrected (started with PSP 7.02 and 8.10
instead of being an early adopter) and they offered a sale price ($30 each
time, as I recall).  I waited through two versions of Word Perfect and
Corel Draw Suite before finding a price that wasn't the standard Corel
"sale price" marketed in a number of ways.  They are active endorers of
price fixing (excuse me, "manufacturer suggested price") and stick to it
pretty religiously.  Well, I bought CD12 and can wait for PSP10 if needed,
having 8 (which I am happy with), unless they do a dump of current boxed 9
instead of just pasting stickers on the current boxed product logos.

Maybe I'll look for a $30 special on Elements 3 meantime.  Can't have too
many image editors and it rpobably won't be as castrated as 2 is.

Brendan
--

All Things Mopar (none@none.xxx) writes:
> 
> But, I *really* wish that someone in Jasc Tech Support 
> *management* would answer the TS issues, and I *really* wish 
> someone in Jasc "senior management" would answer these Corel 
> questions, and without "Dilbert speak".
> 
> Kris sometimes acts like a Jasc "official" spokesman but 
> when pressed, quickly qualifies his statements as reflecting 
> his research function within the company. That takes nothing 
> away from his considerable credentials as a graphics expert, 
> but doesn't say much for his credibility as a Jasc 
> spokesman.
> 

User groups under Support on the Corel web site are usually helpful for
all but the most stubborn problems.  Sort of like here.

And they lack a Uni.

Brendan
--

Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:
> All Things Mopar (none@none.xxx) writes:
> 
>>But, I *really* wish that someone in Jasc Tech Support 
>>*management* would answer the TS issues, and I *really* wish 
>>someone in Jasc "senior management" would answer these Corel 
>>questions, and without "Dilbert speak".
>>
>>Kris sometimes acts like a Jasc "official" spokesman but 
>>when pressed, quickly qualifies his statements as reflecting 
>>his research function within the company. That takes nothing 
>>away from his considerable credentials as a graphics expert, 
>>but doesn't say much for his credibility as a Jasc 
>>spokesman.
>>
> 
> 
> User groups under Support on the Corel web site are usually helpful for
> all but the most stubborn problems.  Sort of like here.
> 
> And they lack a Uni.

My advice, stick with an American owned software company, like Adobe!

:-)

Uni

Carl Frisk wrote:

> If a company can buy another company that
> provides intangible assets like a strong
> partnership\working relationship into another
> company or market segment that they couldn't
> reach before, it goes on the bottom line in the
> decision making process and in the addendums
> of the financial statements.

The "bottom line" is not "in the decision-making
process" and does not show up in the addenda.
It's all about the Benjamins, and they're on
pages 1 and 2.

> Eventually marketing will pick that point up
> and spread the word.

Hallelujah, amen.

> As I think we have already begun to see with
> Corel/JASC.

That fast, huh?

> This is a good sign.

If you're reading signs already, then you're
flying on a hopeful carpet. I'm reading the record.

> One thing Amish is, is smart and knows how
> to make money.  That's his job.

That's my point. He knows how to make money,
not software. I'm not an investor, I'm a user. 

SVTKate wrote:
> 
> I think it stinks.
> It seldom happens that a product remains as good as it once was once aquired
> by a larger company.

By various measures, prior to the purchase Corel was about
three times the size of Jasc. Technically that makes Corel
a larger company but not very much larger. The Corel people
are very much like the Jasc people, right down to the winter
weather both have to live through at their respective
locations.

> Politics always becomes a factor.
> I personally think this stinks.

I'm much more optimistic than you.

> Oh! And speaking of upgrades, I purchased mine, have yet to receive it!

See my reply to your other thread on this topic.

[snip]

Mike Kozlowski wrote:
> 
> In article <416EC1F9.F5A6839@jasc.com>,
> Kris Zaklika  <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote:
> 
> >Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
> >working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
> >Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
> >Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
> >Album products continue. The same people continue to
> >work on the same products.
> 
> Sure, right now.  But Corel's entire corporate history basically
> consists of 1) making CorelDraw, and 2) buying products and then
> making them suck.  It's hard to believe that the powerful Sucking
> Force Corel emanates will fail to taint PSP.

Corel's entire corporate history is irrelevant. The company
is now owned by a Vector Capital, an investor with a focus
on results. Nobody at Corel is doing things the old way and
there will be a sharper focus at Jasc too. The latest release
of Painter, for instance, has received a very positive
reception.

> --
> Mike Kozlowski
> http://www.klio.org/mlk/

Tetractys wrote:
> Carl Frisk wrote:
> 
> 
>>If a company can buy another company that
>>provides intangible assets like a strong
>>partnership\working relationship into another
>>company or market segment that they couldn't
>>reach before, it goes on the bottom line in the
>>decision making process and in the addendums
>>of the financial statements.
> 
> 
> The "bottom line" is not "in the decision-making
> process" and does not show up in the addenda.
> It's all about the Benjamins, and they're on
> pages 1 and 2.
> 
> 
>>Eventually marketing will pick that point up
>>and spread the word.
> 
> 
> Hallelujah, amen.
> 
> 
>>As I think we have already begun to see with
>>Corel/JASC.
> 
> 
> That fast, huh?
> 
> 
>>This is a good sign.
> 
> 
> If you're reading signs already, then you're
> flying on a hopeful carpet. I'm reading the record.
> 
> 
>>One thing Amish is, is smart and knows how
>>to make money.  That's his job.
> 
> 
> That's my point. He knows how to make money,

It is obvious from the price of Epicor software!

:-)

If I remember correctly, it's over $100,000 USD!

:-)

It is sad that Mr. Voit sold out to foreigners.


Uni


> not software. I'm not an investor, I'm a user. 
> 
> 

Kris Zaklika wrote:

> Corel's entire corporate history is irrelevant.
> The company is now owned by a Vector
> Capital, an investor with a focus on results.

By that same logic, the entire history of JASC
is now irrelevant. They are now owned by Corel.
You can't have it both ways -- ignoring corporate
history when it's convenient, bringing it up when
it suits your point. Either corporate history matters
or it doesn't. I say it does, in both cases.

> Nobody at Corel is doing things the old way
> and there will be a sharper focus at Jasc too.

On what? Other posts, including your own, have
indicated the focus will be on increasing features
and value. These are key words to investors, not
to users. I do hope you are correct, and the
sharper focus is not on increasing perceived
value to maximize profit, but on increasing
service, support, repair, stability and compatibility
in order to solidify the user base. If Vector, Corel,
JASC can do that in the short term, then I
will be very happy, and will speak just as
long and loud in praise of the new ownership.

> The latest release of Painter, for instance, has
> received a very positive reception.

The latest release of WordPerfect has not.
It continues the Corel tradition of not fixing
bugs, of charging a high price for little or no
improvement, and of introducing new problems,
then not addressing them in patches. Many
WordPerfect users are uninstalling WP12
and going all the way back to WP8 SP3 in
order to have a product with a good set of
functioning features. That's when Corel bought
WP. After that, the history has not been good.
The introduction of Vector to the equation has
done nothing to dispel the grumbling. 

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:26:45 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzaklika@jasc.com>
wrote:

>SVTKate wrote:
>> 
>> I think it stinks.
>> It seldom happens that a product remains as good as it once was once aquired
>> by a larger company.
>
>By various measures, prior to the purchase Corel was about
>three times the size of Jasc. Technically that makes Corel
>a larger company but not very much larger. The Corel people
>are very much like the Jasc people, right down to the winter
>weather both have to live through at their respective
>locations.
>
>> Politics always becomes a factor.
>> I personally think this stinks.
>
>I'm much more optimistic than you.
>
>> Oh! And speaking of upgrades, I purchased mine, have yet to receive it!
>
>See my reply to your other thread on this topic.
>
>[snip]


None of us was born pessimistic, life just has it's way with you. I
hope your correct, and that all works out well, but stuff happened.
Enron still owns my Elect company. My rates went up 33% in one day.
Remember Rambler, bought by Chrysler, not any more, gone.

Tetractys commented courteously ...

> By that same logic, the entire history of JASC
> is now irrelevant. They are now owned by Corel.
> You can't have it both ways -- ignoring corporate
> history when it's convenient, bringing it up when
> it suits your point. Either corporate history matters
> or it doesn't. I say it does, in both cases.

No one from Corel (formerly Jasc) is going to give you any 
specifics even if they know. I've challenged Kris before to 
no avail to get someone who is authorized to speak to these 
issues to make a public statement, but he prefers to shoot 
from the hip on his own. 

I give him great kudos for his considerable technical skill, 
but he has no credibility with me when talking about Corel's 
management positions.

That's my opinion, your mileage may vary ...

-- 
Jerry

"Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be 
explained by stupidity!"

All Things Mopar wrote:
> Tetractys commented courteously ...
> 
> 
>>By that same logic, the entire history of JASC
>>is now irrelevant. They are now owned by Corel.
>>You can't have it both ways -- ignoring corporate
>>history when it's convenient, bringing it up when
>>it suits your point. Either corporate history matters
>>or it doesn't. I say it does, in both cases.
> 
> 
> No one from Corel (formerly Jasc) is going to give you any 
> specifics even if they know. I've challenged Kris before to 
> no avail to get someone who is authorized to speak to these 
> issues to make a public statement, but he prefers to shoot 
> from the hip on his own. 
> 
> I give him great kudos for his considerable technical skill

It is obvious that his technical skill didn't take PSP to higher 
grounds, as he expected. Oh, well, just one more American based software 
company absorbed by foreigners.

:-)

Amen, Allah

:-)

Uni

"Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
> Jules wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>> work on the same products.
>>
>>
>> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of 
>> that?
>> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>
>  but Jasc have always
>> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming 
>> team
>> who know what they're doing.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Jules

That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from public 
to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth of 
Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's often an 
unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed. 
Later, staff is added as needed.
Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a result 
of this venture.
McG. 

Tetractys wrote:
[snip]

> > One thing Amish is, is smart and knows how
> > to make money.  That's his job.
> 
> That's my point. He knows how to make money,
> not software. I'm not an investor, I'm a user.

Actually, Amish Mehta has quite extensive and successful
experience with software companies:
http://www.vectorcapital.com/team/robert.htm
You'll also see that he is a very bright individual indeed.
From where I'm sitting, with kids to put through college,
making money is not an evil. Meanwhile, all of us here are
planning to make plenty of software for you to use.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
<McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>"Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>> Jules wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>> work on the same products.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of 
>>> that?
>>> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>
>> http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>
>>  but Jasc have always
>>> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming 
>>> team
>>> who know what they're doing.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Jules
>
>That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from public 
>to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth of 
>Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's often an 
>unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed. 
>Later, staff is added as needed.
>Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a result 
>of this venture.

So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, etc.
that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.

"Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zH%bd.465$7d7.352@trnddc04...
> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
news:ckpmim0112l@news2.newsguy.com...
> >
> > "Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
> > news:416FBF0C.40CE616B@jasc.com...
> >> All Things Mopar wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
> >> >
> >> > > If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
> >> > > seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
> >> > > and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
> >> > > software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
> >> > > because Jasc and Corel products provide different
> >> > > capabilities and compete in different markets. They
> >> > > complement each other and now all these products are
> >> > > available from a single company - Corel.
> >> >
> >> > Good points, Kris.
> >> >
> >> > But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not
> >> > development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior
> >> > management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily
> >> > survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much
> >> > higher cost?
> >>
> >> I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
> >> the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
> >> in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
> >> aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
> >> very high value, a very high set of features and very high
> >> compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
> >> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
> >> software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
> >> such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
> >> the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
> >> they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
> >> value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
> >> to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
> >> Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
> >> Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
> >> ($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
> >> or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
> >> parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
> >> Do you see the correlation?
> >
> > I am very encouraged by this news - I've used many Corel products,
including
> > the Graphics Suite, and Painter, and have wished that many of the things
> > I've liked in those products could become part of PSP.  Who knew?
> >
> > I think it's a good sign that Venture has remodeled the historically
> > embattled Corel structure  (three cheers for the American Way ;-))))))
A
> > bigger company doesn't have to mean bad things - lots more company
resources
> > now can be used to give me goodies.
> >
> > Kris, Kris, can I have a textile filter now?  How about a better
gradient
> > tool?  How about... objects on a path?
> >
> > Now's a good time to ask Santa.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Sally Beacham
> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> >
> >
> >
>
> That's Vector Capital not Venture.  Great feature requests BTW!
> http://www.vectorcapital.com/

Yeah, I know, I was tired... venture capital, Vector Capital, ... you get
the drift.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

Cliff wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>"Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>
>>>Jules wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>>work on the same products.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of 
>>>>that?
>>>>I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>
>>>http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>
>>> but Jasc have always
>>>
>>>>seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming 
>>>>team
>>>>who know what they're doing.
>>>>
>>>>cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Jules
>>>
>>That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from public 
>>to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth of 
>>Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's often an 
>>unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed. 
>>Later, staff is added as needed.
>>Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a result 
>>of this venture.
> 
> 
> So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, etc.
> that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.

I agree with Cliff. Now, you'll have even less people working on PSP.
Remember, less overhead means more profit, but not higher quality.

Uni

Kris Zaklika wrote:
> Tetractys wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>>One thing Amish is, is smart and knows how
>>>to make money.  That's his job.
>>
>>That's my point. He knows how to make money,
>>not software. I'm not an investor, I'm a user.
> 
> 
> Actually, Amish Mehta has quite extensive and successful
> experience with software companies:
> http://www.vectorcapital.com/team/robert.htm
> You'll also see that he is a very bright individual indeed.

His only goal is to team up similar product software companies, like 
when Epicor bought out Vista. Vista only has 3000 companies using their 
software. Epicor originally offered Vantage. Only the largest of large 
companies could afford it. But now Epicor can offer Vista, a barebone, 
cheaper piece of software as an alternative to the overpriced Vantage, 
both MRP applications. In my opinion, PSP won't be Corel's flagship 
application, but like Vista, a cheaper alternative to Corel's Painter.
If Mehta was so bright, he would have financially helped Jasc, instead 
of having Corel buy you out.

Uni

McGrandpa wrote:
> "Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
> 
>>Jules wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>work on the same products.
>>>
>>>
>>>Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of 
>>>that?
>>>I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>
>>http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>
>> but Jasc have always
>>
>>>seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming 
>>>team
>>>who know what they're doing.
>>>
>>>cheers,
>>>
>>>Jules
>>
> 
> That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from public 
> to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth of 
> Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's often an 
> unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed. 
> Later, staff is added as needed.

Corel won't allow PSP to be their flagship application. That would be 
embarrassing to Corel. PSP will end up being a lesser priced, less 
robust featured, alternative to Painter.

Mehta said:
"We're putting together a complete set of alternatives to Adobe and 
Microsoft for value-conscious consumers,".

In other words, PSP will be packaged, by computer manufactures, such as 
Dell, with Word Perfect, rather than Painter being part of the bundle.

Uni

Kris Zaklika
> Tetractys wrote:

>> > One thing Amish is, is smart and knows how
>> > to make money.  That's his job.

>> That's my point. He knows how to make money,
>> not software. I'm not an investor, I'm a user.

> Actually, Amish Mehta has quite extensive and successful
> experience with software companies:
> http://www.vectorcapital.com/team/robert.htm

I am quite familiar with Manugistics, thank you,
having been a user and purchaser of Statgraphics
for a long, long time. The history of that application
is not a pleasant one for the user.

> You'll also see that he is a very bright individual indeed.
> From where I'm sitting, with kids to put through college,
> making money is not an evil. Meanwhile, all of us here are
> planning to make plenty of software for you to use.

Making money is fine. I wish you well. I wish Corel well.
I wish Amish Mehta well. I also hope that the development
of future versions of Corel products and the support
offered for current ones follows a path different from
that described by the past, where the money flowed
into Corel, but the value stream outward was not
commensurate. 

Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a venture capital company:)

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net


"Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:cks7v80181o@news2.newsguy.com...
> 
> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zH%bd.465$7d7.352@trnddc04...
>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> news:ckpmim0112l@news2.newsguy.com...
>> >
>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
>> > news:416FBF0C.40CE616B@jasc.com...
>> >> All Things Mopar wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Kris Zaklika commented courteously ...
>> >> >
>> >> > > If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
>> >> > > seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
>> >> > > and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
>> >> > > software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
>> >> > > because Jasc and Corel products provide different
>> >> > > capabilities and compete in different markets. They
>> >> > > complement each other and now all these products are
>> >> > > available from a single company - Corel.
>> >> >
>> >> > Good points, Kris.
>> >> >
>> >> > But, being that you are in the research end of Jasc, not
>> >> > development (I think), not marketing, and not "senior
>> >> > management", mighten we all worry that PSP will easily
>> >> > survive, but inside some "Corel Suite" or other, at much
>> >> > higher cost?
>> >>
>> >> I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
>> >> the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
>> >> in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
>> >> aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
>> >> very high value, a very high set of features and very high
>> >> compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
>> >> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
>> >> software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
>> >> such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
>> >> the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
>> >> they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
>> >> value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
>> >> to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
>> >> Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
>> >> Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
>> >> ($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
>> >> or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
>> >> parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
>> >> Do you see the correlation?
>> >
>> > I am very encouraged by this news - I've used many Corel products,
> including
>> > the Graphics Suite, and Painter, and have wished that many of the things
>> > I've liked in those products could become part of PSP.  Who knew?
>> >
>> > I think it's a good sign that Venture has remodeled the historically
>> > embattled Corel structure  (three cheers for the American Way ;-))))))
> A
>> > bigger company doesn't have to mean bad things - lots more company
> resources
>> > now can be used to give me goodies.
>> >
>> > Kris, Kris, can I have a textile filter now?  How about a better
> gradient
>> > tool?  How about... objects on a path?
>> >
>> > Now's a good time to ask Santa.
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Sally Beacham
>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> That's Vector Capital not Venture.  Great feature requests BTW!
>> http://www.vectorcapital.com/
> 
> Yeah, I know, I was tired... venture capital, Vector Capital, ... you get
> the drift.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> 
> 
>

"Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6v73n0hshd9v122grothmoqmkc17v9a5fc@4ax.com
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>> Jules wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>> work on the same products.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of
>>>> that?
>>>> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>
>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>
>>>  but Jasc have always
>>>> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming
>>>> team
>>>> who know what they're doing.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jules
>>
>> That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from 
>> public
>> to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth of
>> Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's often 
>> an
>> unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed.
>> Later, staff is added as needed.
>> Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a 
>> result
>> of this venture.
>
> So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, etc.
> that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.

I've experienced a bit of that.  The company I work for bought the 
facility Aug 05, 86.  By Sep 01, 86 the entire 'crew' was still there, 
but all of the 'upper an middle managers' were gone.  We kept all but 
one foreman.  We kept the office staff.  We are glad our plant manager 
was asked to stay.  'Lower' management then, was left intact but for the 
one foreman.  Still, business is business, and the areas seen as dead or 
negative are trimmed on sight and the positives are kept.  Who wouldn't 
do that?
And, like our little facility, what if JASC is 99% positives?  Then it's 
a win/win thing :)  It also appears that JASC wasn't 'in trouble' when 
all this was going on.  For various reasons, a companys operation or 
objectives can 'plateau', they've gone as far as they can go in the 
direction desired.  I think Bob and JASC wanted to go further still, but 
were stymied by financial restraints.  I think that somebodys vision was 
a rosebud right at the brink of blooming.  And stopped.  I am thinking 
that this direction was deliberated carefully, and taken with the 
expectation that the bud can now bloom fully.   Perhaps this has been in 
consideration for years, and we wouldn't know it.  The people that Make 
Things Happen see things in completely different ways than us users. 
For me, I just want to know PSP is gonna be OK :)  And that means the 
people that create PSP too.
Interesting discussion, thanks :)
McG. 

"Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
news:41718713.8A4484F2@jasc.com
> Tetractys wrote:
> [snip]
>
>>> One thing Amish is, is smart and knows how
>>> to make money.  That's his job.
>>
>> That's my point. He knows how to make money,
>> not software. I'm not an investor, I'm a user.
>
> Actually, Amish Mehta has quite extensive and successful
> experience with software companies:
> http://www.vectorcapital.com/team/robert.htm
> You'll also see that he is a very bright individual indeed.
> From where I'm sitting, with kids to put through college,
> making money is not an evil. Meanwhile, all of us here are
> planning to make plenty of software for you to use.

And that is really all we need, isn't it?  :)  I am really glad that 
things are working well for you folks at Jasc, Kris.   It's no issue to 
me if the Corel logo is on the package, as long as the folks at Jasc are 
still putting Paint Shop Pro in the package :)

....and that Kris will be willing and able to offer his kind assistance as he 
has in the past.

Why did this thread suddenly begin to look like a Witch Hunt and Kris the 
hunted? He's a nice guy folks, chill out a little
Hell, when it all comes down to it, it's just a damn piece of software! If 
it all goes to hell in a hand basket, yea, we'll be disappointed, but so 
what!

There is no reason for things to get so ugly.

Kate

"Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a venture
capital company:)

Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
adventurously than others.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:19:09 GMT, "McGrandpa"
<McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>"Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6v73n0hshd9v122grothmoqmkc17v9a5fc@4ax.com
>> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>>> Jules wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>>> work on the same products.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of
>>>>> that?
>>>>> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>>
>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>>
>>>>  but Jasc have always
>>>>> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming
>>>>> team
>>>>> who know what they're doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jules
>>>
>>> That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from 
>>> public
>>> to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth of
>>> Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's often 
>>> an
>>> unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed.
>>> Later, staff is added as needed.
>>> Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a 
>>> result
>>> of this venture.
>>
>> So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, etc.
>> that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.
>
>I've experienced a bit of that.  The company I work for bought the 
>facility Aug 05, 86.  By Sep 01, 86 the entire 'crew' was still there, 
>but all of the 'upper an middle managers' were gone.  We kept all but 
>one foreman.  We kept the office staff.  We are glad our plant manager 
>was asked to stay.  'Lower' management then, was left intact but for the 
>one foreman.  Still, business is business, and the areas seen as dead or 
>negative are trimmed on sight and the positives are kept.  Who wouldn't 
>do that?

Your right. Middle and upper management are in a particularly
precarious position in any merger or buyout. This is simply due to
duplicative functions being eliminated. Unfortunately, in JASC's case,
not only are mid and upper mgmt duplicative but some or most of the
professional positions are also duplicative. Only time will tell how
this will shake out. Like I said before YMMV.

snip

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:32:03 +0000, Uni wrote:
> Mehta said:
> "We're putting together a complete set of alternatives to Adobe and 
> Microsoft for value-conscious consumers,".

Maybe that means there'll finally be a port to Linux, which will at least
keep me happy :-)

J.

Jules wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:32:03 +0000, Uni wrote:
> 
>>Mehta said:
>>"We're putting together a complete set of alternatives to Adobe and 
>>Microsoft for value-conscious consumers,".
> 
> 
> Maybe that means there'll finally be a port to Linux, which will at least
> keep me happy :-)

I don't think so, Jules!

:-)

Uni


> 
> J.
> 

"Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
> 
> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a venture
> capital company:)
> 
> Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
> adventurously than others.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> 
> 
>

ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.


-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net

"Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:m3b5n0pn86u7ba9faercd16vahtkl3cn2d@4ax.com
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:19:09 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6v73n0hshd9v122grothmoqmkc17v9a5fc@4ax.com
>>> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>>>> Jules wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>>>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>>>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>>>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>>>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>>>> work on the same products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>>>
>>>>>  but Jasc have always
>>>>>> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a 
>>>>>> programming
>>>>>> team
>>>>>> who know what they're doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jules
>>>>
>>>> That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from
>>>> public
>>>> to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth 
>>>> of
>>>> Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's 
>>>> often
>>>> an
>>>> unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed.
>>>> Later, staff is added as needed.
>>>> Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a
>>>> result
>>>> of this venture.
>>>
>>> So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, 
>>> etc.
>>> that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.
>>
>> I've experienced a bit of that.  The company I work for bought the
>> facility Aug 05, 86.  By Sep 01, 86 the entire 'crew' was still 
>> there,
>> but all of the 'upper an middle managers' were gone.  We kept all but
>> one foreman.  We kept the office staff.  We are glad our plant 
>> manager
>> was asked to stay.  'Lower' management then, was left intact but for 
>> the
>> one foreman.  Still, business is business, and the areas seen as dead 
>> or
>> negative are trimmed on sight and the positives are kept.  Who 
>> wouldn't
>> do that?
>
> Your right. Middle and upper management are in a particularly
> precarious position in any merger or buyout. This is simply due to
> duplicative functions being eliminated. Unfortunately, in JASC's case,
> not only are mid and upper mgmt duplicative but some or most of the
> professional positions are also duplicative. Only time will tell how
> this will shake out. Like I said before YMMV.
>
> snip

Well, while all the products are now Corel, there is still individual 
products such as PSP and Painter.  Takes software engineers and assorted 
staff for each product.   Corel mentioned that the JASC products are 
complimentary to the Corel lineup.  Fewer gaps now in the lineup.
McG. 

McGrandpa wrote:
> "Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6v73n0hshd9v122grothmoqmkc17v9a5fc@4ax.com
> 
>>On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>><McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>>
>>>>Jules wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>>>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>>>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>>>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>>>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>>>work on the same products.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee of
>>>>>that?
>>>>>I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>>
>>>>http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>>
>>>> but Jasc have always
>>>>
>>>>>seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a programming
>>>>>team
>>>>>who know what they're doing.
>>>>>
>>>>>cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>Jules
>>>>
>>>That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from 
>>>public
>>>to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth of
>>>Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's often 
>>>an
>>>unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed.
>>>Later, staff is added as needed.
>>>Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a 
>>>result
>>>of this venture.
>>
>>So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, etc.
>>that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.
> 
> 
> I've experienced a bit of that.  The company I work for bought the 
> facility Aug 05, 86.  By Sep 01, 86 the entire 'crew' was still there, 
> but all of the 'upper an middle managers' were gone.  We kept all but 
> one foreman.  We kept the office staff.  We are glad our plant manager 
> was asked to stay.  'Lower' management then, was left intact but for the 
> one foreman.  Still, business is business, and the areas seen as dead or 
> negative are trimmed on sight and the positives are kept.  Who wouldn't 
> do that?
> And, like our little facility, what if JASC is 99% positives?  Then it's 
> a win/win thing :)  It also appears that JASC wasn't 'in trouble' when 
> all this was going on.  For various reasons, a companys operation or 
> objectives can 'plateau', they've gone as far as they can go in the 
> direction desired.  I think Bob and JASC wanted to go further still, but 
> were stymied by financial restraints.



Let's review, shall we?.....

Amish apparently doesn't have competent Corel programmers to duplicate 
PSP. So, what makes you believe PSP will improved?

Bob, on the other hand, jumped when he saw some cash put in front of his 
eyes and sold out to a foreign country. I guess we should all applaud 
his decision to make a country, other than the USA, more wealthy.

Amish says Jasc has "award winning support", but I read in this very 
group where phone support calls go unanswered and e-mails take up to a 
week to get a reply.

Bob, like Amish, is sick and tired of Microsoft and Adobe holding so 
much of the software market. Yet, neither one of them can produce a free 
software application that will be downloaded by over, not 5 people, not 
50 people, not 500 people, not 5000 people, not 50,000 people, not 
500,000 people, but over 5,000,000 people!!!!!! 
http://www.spreadfirefox.com/
Just goes to show you decent software excells, without having to have it 
predloaded by every computer manufacture, under the sun!!!!

Amish apparently isn't satisfied with the growth of Corel, it must have 
reached a "plateau". If Corel was doing so great, there would be no need 
to purchase another software company to help carry the weight. Unless, 
of course, it's pure greed.

Uni









   I think that somebodys vision was
> a rosebud right at the brink of blooming.  And stopped.  I am thinking 
> that this direction was deliberated carefully, and taken with the 
> expectation that the bud can now bloom fully.   Perhaps this has been in 
> consideration for years, and we wouldn't know it.  The people that Make 
> Things Happen see things in completely different ways than us users. 
> For me, I just want to know PSP is gonna be OK :)  And that means the 
> people that create PSP too.
> Interesting discussion, thanks :)
> McG. 
> 
> 



-- 
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:36:44 GMT, "McGrandpa"
<McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>"Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:m3b5n0pn86u7ba9faercd16vahtkl3cn2d@4ax.com
>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:19:09 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6v73n0hshd9v122grothmoqmkc17v9a5fc@4ax.com
>>>> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>>>>> Jules wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>>>>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>>>>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>>>>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>>>>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>>>>> work on the same products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  but Jasc have always
>>>>>>> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a 
>>>>>>> programming
>>>>>>> team
>>>>>>> who know what they're doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>
>>>>> That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from
>>>>> public
>>>>> to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth 
>>>>> of
>>>>> Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's 
>>>>> often
>>>>> an
>>>>> unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed.
>>>>> Later, staff is added as needed.
>>>>> Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a
>>>>> result
>>>>> of this venture.
>>>>
>>>> So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, 
>>>> etc.
>>>> that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.
>>>
>>> I've experienced a bit of that.  The company I work for bought the
>>> facility Aug 05, 86.  By Sep 01, 86 the entire 'crew' was still 
>>> there,
>>> but all of the 'upper an middle managers' were gone.  We kept all but
>>> one foreman.  We kept the office staff.  We are glad our plant 
>>> manager
>>> was asked to stay.  'Lower' management then, was left intact but for 
>>> the
>>> one foreman.  Still, business is business, and the areas seen as dead 
>>> or
>>> negative are trimmed on sight and the positives are kept.  Who 
>>> wouldn't
>>> do that?
>>
>> Your right. Middle and upper management are in a particularly
>> precarious position in any merger or buyout. This is simply due to
>> duplicative functions being eliminated. Unfortunately, in JASC's case,
>> not only are mid and upper mgmt duplicative but some or most of the
>> professional positions are also duplicative. Only time will tell how
>> this will shake out. Like I said before YMMV.
>>
>> snip
>
>Well, while all the products are now Corel, there is still individual 
>products such as PSP and Painter.  Takes software engineers and assorted 
>staff for each product.   Corel mentioned that the JASC products are 
>complimentary to the Corel lineup.  Fewer gaps now in the lineup.
>McG. 
>

Here is the URL for a Cnet interview with Amish Mehta you might find
interesting.

http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Corel+buys+photo+software+maker+Jasc/2100-1046_3-5410245.html

I found the following two paragraphs especially interesting and
telling on the future of JASC products.

"Corel CEO Amish Mehta said the software maker would continue to sell
Paint Shop versions as standalone products. However, it will also work
on packaging Jasc tools with complementary Corel products, such as
CorelDraw Graphics Suite and Painter, he added. "

""If you look at the Paint Shop product today, it's already a pretty
solid contender against Photoshop," he said. "If we add in
functionality from CorelDraw and other products, that's going to make
it even more compelling." "

To me, (YMMV) it looks like JASC products will eventually be absorbed
into Corel products. The Paint Shop product will probably live on as
part of some future Corel suite.

All in all, I think the Corel product line will survive and the
present JASC product line will not survive as standalone products.

Cliff wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:36:44 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>"Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:m3b5n0pn86u7ba9faercd16vahtkl3cn2d@4ax.com
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:19:09 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>><McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:6v73n0hshd9v122grothmoqmkc17v9a5fc@4ax.com
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>>>><McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jules wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>>>>>>working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>>>>>>Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>>>>>>Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>>>>>>Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>>>>>>work on the same products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term guarantee 
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>that?
>>>>>>>>I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but Jasc have always
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a 
>>>>>>>>programming
>>>>>>>>team
>>>>>>>>who know what they're doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jules
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from
>>>>>>public
>>>>>>to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth 
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's 
>>>>>>often
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed.
>>>>>>Later, staff is added as needed.
>>>>>>Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a
>>>>>>result
>>>>>>of this venture.
>>>>>
>>>>>So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts, 
>>>>>etc.
>>>>>that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>>I've experienced a bit of that.  The company I work for bought the
>>>>facility Aug 05, 86.  By Sep 01, 86 the entire 'crew' was still 
>>>>there,
>>>>but all of the 'upper an middle managers' were gone.  We kept all but
>>>>one foreman.  We kept the office staff.  We are glad our plant 
>>>>manager
>>>>was asked to stay.  'Lower' management then, was left intact but for 
>>>>the
>>>>one foreman.  Still, business is business, and the areas seen as dead 
>>>>or
>>>>negative are trimmed on sight and the positives are kept.  Who 
>>>>wouldn't
>>>>do that?
>>>
>>>Your right. Middle and upper management are in a particularly
>>>precarious position in any merger or buyout. This is simply due to
>>>duplicative functions being eliminated. Unfortunately, in JASC's case,
>>>not only are mid and upper mgmt duplicative but some or most of the
>>>professional positions are also duplicative. Only time will tell how
>>>this will shake out. Like I said before YMMV.
>>>
>>>snip
>>
>>Well, while all the products are now Corel, there is still individual 
>>products such as PSP and Painter.  Takes software engineers and assorted 
>>staff for each product.   Corel mentioned that the JASC products are 
>>complimentary to the Corel lineup.  Fewer gaps now in the lineup.
>>McG. 
>>
> 
> 
> Here is the URL for a Cnet interview with Amish Mehta you might find
> interesting.
> 
> http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Corel+buys+photo+software+maker+Jasc/2100-1046_3-5410245.html
> 
> I found the following two paragraphs especially interesting and
> telling on the future of JASC products.
> 
> "Corel CEO Amish Mehta said the software maker would continue to sell
> Paint Shop versions as standalone products. However, it will also work
> on packaging Jasc tools with complementary Corel products, such as
> CorelDraw Graphics Suite and Painter, he added. "
> 
> ""If you look at the Paint Shop product today, it's already a pretty
> solid contender against Photoshop," he said.


Can't be much of a contender if Bob sold Jasc!!!!!!

:-)

Never believe people involved with selling software.

Uni


  "If we add in
> functionality from CorelDraw and other products, that's going to make
> it even more compelling." "
> 
> To me, (YMMV) it looks like JASC products will eventually be absorbed
> into Corel products. The Paint Shop product will probably live on as
> part of some future Corel suite.
> 
> All in all, I think the Corel product line will survive and the
> present JASC product line will not survive as standalone products.

"Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gnj5n0h4v3r0kaqi24kfq4mk77i2o9bgv5@4ax.com
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:36:44 GMT, "McGrandpa"
> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:m3b5n0pn86u7ba9faercd16vahtkl3cn2d@4ax.com
>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:19:09 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Cliff" <cje20@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6v73n0hshd9v122grothmoqmkc17v9a5fc@4ax.com
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:12:59 GMT, "McGrandpa"
>>>>> <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Uni" <no.email@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4170AD82.1090109@no.email.invalid
>>>>>>> Jules wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:17 -0500, Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>>>>>>>>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>>>>>>>>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>>>>>>>>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>>>>>>>>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>>>>>>>>> work on the same products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have the Jasc team been given some sort of longer-term 
>>>>>>>> guarantee
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't trust Corel as far as I could throw them,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1047-5089229.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  but Jasc have always
>>>>>>>> seemed like a friendly company with good support, and a
>>>>>>>> programming
>>>>>>>> team
>>>>>>>> who know what they're doing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jules
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That C|Net article is one year old, it covers the movement from
>>>>>> public
>>>>>> to privately held company.  That was the beginning of the rebirth
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Corel.  One year later, Corel is profitable and robust.   It's
>>>>>> often
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> unfortunate necessity during restructuring that staff be trimmed.
>>>>>> Later, staff is added as needed.
>>>>>> Neither Corel or JASC show any indication of cutting staff as a
>>>>>> result
>>>>>> of this venture.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far. Almost without exception, all corporate mergers, buyouts,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> that I am aware of have resulted in layoffs. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> I've experienced a bit of that.  The company I work for bought the
>>>> facility Aug 05, 86.  By Sep 01, 86 the entire 'crew' was still
>>>> there,
>>>> but all of the 'upper an middle managers' were gone.  We kept all 
>>>> but
>>>> one foreman.  We kept the office staff.  We are glad our plant
>>>> manager
>>>> was asked to stay.  'Lower' management then, was left intact but 
>>>> for
>>>> the
>>>> one foreman.  Still, business is business, and the areas seen as 
>>>> dead
>>>> or
>>>> negative are trimmed on sight and the positives are kept.  Who
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> do that?
>>>
>>> Your right. Middle and upper management are in a particularly
>>> precarious position in any merger or buyout. This is simply due to
>>> duplicative functions being eliminated. Unfortunately, in JASC's 
>>> case,
>>> not only are mid and upper mgmt duplicative but some or most of the
>>> professional positions are also duplicative. Only time will tell how
>>> this will shake out. Like I said before YMMV.
>>>
>>> snip
>>
>> Well, while all the products are now Corel, there is still individual
>> products such as PSP and Painter.  Takes software engineers and 
>> assorted
>> staff for each product.   Corel mentioned that the JASC products are
>> complimentary to the Corel lineup.  Fewer gaps now in the lineup.
>> McG.
>>
>
> Here is the URL for a Cnet interview with Amish Mehta you might find
> interesting.
>
> http://ecoustics-cnet.com.com/Corel+buys+photo+software+maker+Jasc/2100-1046_3-5410245.html
>
> I found the following two paragraphs especially interesting and
> telling on the future of JASC products.
>
> "Corel CEO Amish Mehta said the software maker would continue to sell
> Paint Shop versions as standalone products. However, it will also work
> on packaging Jasc tools with complementary Corel products, such as
> CorelDraw Graphics Suite and Painter, he added. "
>
> ""If you look at the Paint Shop product today, it's already a pretty
> solid contender against Photoshop," he said. "If we add in
> functionality from CorelDraw and other products, that's going to make
> it even more compelling." "

And, it wouldn't take a year for them to have PSP surpassing PS 
completely, specific industry standards which are missing in PSP now 
would be implemented of course.  I think Mehta is saying he's got a 
vision of creating a PS killer.  PSP is (to me) far easier to use in all 
areas than PS is.   "Industry Standard" is a barrier to PSP.  Perhaps 
Mehta intends to see to it PSP breaks that barrier.  It's far more than 
a feather in his cap if it does.  Adobe would cry.

>
> To me, (YMMV) it looks like JASC products will eventually be absorbed
> into Corel products. The Paint Shop product will probably live on as
> part of some future Corel suite.
>
> All in all, I think the Corel product line will survive and the
> present JASC product line will not survive as standalone products.

I have a feeling that Paint Shop Pro is more readily expandible than any 
of the Corel or Adobe products.  In the end, we may indeed be looking at 
Corel Paint Shop Pro being the major toolkit in the Corel lineup. 
That's just my thinking though.  I could very easily be wrong.  I can't 
read the future.
For right now, all we have is to use the stuff we have, and see what 
they come out with.
On a more immediate note; hopefully, a much needed PSP 9 patch will be 
forthcoming to correct problems with some important tools :o)
McG. 

Carl Frisk wrote:
> 
> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
> >
> > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
> >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a venture
> > capital company:)
> >
> > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
> > adventurously than others.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sally Beacham
> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> >
> >
> >
> 
> ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.

Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
Corelate her wording too :) 

> --
> ...Carl Frisk
> Anger is a brief madness.
> - Horace, 20 B.C.
> http://www.carlfrisk.net

"Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
> Carl Frisk wrote:
> >
> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
> > >
> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a venture
> > > capital company:)
> > >
> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
> > > adventurously than others.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sally Beacham
> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
>
> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
> Corelate her wording too :)
>

Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?

You got me started.  This could get ugly.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

"Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
> 
> "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
> news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
>> Carl Frisk wrote:
>> >
>> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
>> > >
>> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a venture
>> > > capital company:)
>> > >
>> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
>> > > adventurously than others.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sally Beacham
>> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
>>
>> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
>> Corelate her wording too :)
>>
> 
> Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
> 
> You got me started.  This could get ugly.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> 
> 
>

Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.

"Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
> >> > >
> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
venture
> >> > > capital company:)
> >> > >
> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
> >> > > adventurously than others.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Sally Beacham
> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
> >>
> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
> >> Corelate her wording too :)
> >>
> >
> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
> >
> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Sally Beacham
> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> >
> >
> >
>
> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.

Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?

Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
search of supper.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

McGrandpa wrote:
> 
> And, it wouldn't take a year for them to have PSP surpassing PS 
> completely, specific industry standards which are missing in PSP now 
> would be implemented of course.  I think Mehta is saying he's got a 
> vision of creating a PS killer.  PSP is (to me) far easier to use in all 
> areas than PS is.   "Industry Standard" is a barrier to PSP.  Perhaps 
> Mehta intends to see to it PSP breaks that barrier.  It's far more than 
> a feather in his cap if it does.  Adobe would cry.

I guess you and Metha would enjoy seeing American software programmers 
lose their job to a foreign company.

Uni

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>
> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
>> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
> venture
>> >> > > capital company:)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
>> >> > > adventurously than others.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Sally Beacham
>> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
>> >> Corelate her wording too :)
>> >>
>> >
>> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
>> >
>> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Sally Beacham
>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
>
> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
>
> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
> search of supper.
>
>
> -- 
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>
>
>

At least it says OT in the subject or I would have to come up with some sort of Corelation between this post and all the 
previous posts in this thread.  Hope you had a good meal:)

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net 

"Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:WjIcd.2592$TW4.2589@trnddc07...
> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:ckv16o01a8p@news4.newsguy.com...
>>
>> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
>>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>> news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>> >
>>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
>>> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>>> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
>> venture
>>> >> > > capital company:)
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
>>> >> > > adventurously than others.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > > Sally Beacham
>>> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>>> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>>> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
>>> >> Corelate her wording too :)
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
>>> >
>>> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -- 
>>> > Sally Beacham
>>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
>>
>> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
>>
>> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
>> search of supper.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sally Beacham
>> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>
>>
>>
>
> At least it says OT in the subject or I would have to come up with some sort of Corelation between this post and all 
> the previous posts in this thread.  Hope you had a good meal:)
>
> -- 
> ...Carl Frisk
> Anger is a brief madness.
> - Horace, 20 B.C.
> http://www.carlfrisk.net

Actually I meant to say 'I would have to "draw some sort of Corelation"'.

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net 

Carl Frisk wrote:
> 
> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:WjIcd.2592$TW4.2589@trnddc07...
> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:ckv16o01a8p@news4.newsguy.com...
> >>
> >> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
> >>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
> >>> >
> >>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
> >>> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> >>> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
> >>> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
> >> venture
> >>> >> > > capital company:)
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
> >>> >> > > adventurously than others.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > --
> >>> >> > > Sally Beacham
> >>> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> >>> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> >>> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
> >>> >> Corelate her wording too :)
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
> >>> >
> >>> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Sally Beacham
> >>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> >>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> >>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
> >>
> >> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
> >>
> >> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
> >> search of supper.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sally Beacham
> >> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> >> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> >> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > At least it says OT in the subject or I would have to come up with some sort of Corelation between this post and all
> > the previous posts in this thread.  Hope you had a good meal:)
> >
> > --
> > ...Carl Frisk
> > Anger is a brief madness.
> > - Horace, 20 B.C.
> > http://www.carlfrisk.net
> 
> Actually I meant to say 'I would have to "draw some sort of Corelation"'.

Even though this is a PSP group, I see you can't stop the
R.A.V.E. about CorelDRAW. The correction makes your post
WordPerfect. Perhaps you should have a Painter make some
DRAWings of it. He can CorelTRACE the text and apply some
PHOTO-PAINT to it, running it through the JPEG Optimizer
in PSP for posting to a binaries newsgroup. He can KnockOut
all this stuff while keeping his Studio clean by organizing
his work in an Album. If he needs to make Presentations, he
can drive his Audi Quattro Pro to get there. I suppose he
will keep his Kai Power Tools in the trunk in case they are
needed as Essentials on Hwy 101 to Ventura.

In case you were wondering: http://tinyurl.com/4jyxq and,
no, I don't work in Marketing :)

> --
> ...Carl Frisk
> Anger is a brief madness.
> - Horace, 20 B.C.
> http://www.carlfrisk.net

"Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
news:4173640D.65F811DF@visi.com...
> Carl Frisk wrote:
> >
> > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:WjIcd.2592$TW4.2589@trnddc07...
> > > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
news:ckv16o01a8p@news4.newsguy.com...
> > >>
> > >> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
> > >>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
> > >>> >
> > >>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
> > >>> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
> > >>> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> > >>> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
> > >>> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
> > >> venture
> > >>> >> > > capital company:)
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of
us more
> > >>> >> > > adventurously than others.
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > --
> > >>> >> > > Sally Beacham
> > >>> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> > >>> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> > >>> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor
Sally.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
> > >>> >> Corelate her wording too :)
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
> > >>> > Sally Beacham
> > >>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> > >>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> > >>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
> > >>
> > >> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
> > >>
> > >> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go
in
> > >> search of supper.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Sally Beacham
> > >> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> > >> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> > >> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > At least it says OT in the subject or I would have to come up with
some sort of Corelation between this post and all
> > > the previous posts in this thread.  Hope you had a good meal:)
> > >
> > > --
> > > ...Carl Frisk
> > > Anger is a brief madness.
> > > - Horace, 20 B.C.
> > > http://www.carlfrisk.net
> >
> > Actually I meant to say 'I would have to "draw some sort of
Corelation"'.
>
> Even though this is a PSP group, I see you can't stop the
> R.A.V.E. about CorelDRAW. The correction makes your post
> WordPerfect. Perhaps you should have a Painter make some
> DRAWings of it. He can CorelTRACE the text and apply some
> PHOTO-PAINT to it, running it through the JPEG Optimizer
> in PSP for posting to a binaries newsgroup. He can KnockOut
> all this stuff while keeping his Studio clean by organizing
> his work in an Album. If he needs to make Presentations, he
> can drive his Audi Quattro Pro to get there. I suppose he
> will keep his Kai Power Tools in the trunk in case they are
> needed as Essentials on Hwy 101 to Ventura.
>
> In case you were wondering: http://tinyurl.com/4jyxq and,
> no, I don't work in Marketing :)

I was looking for the leftover Bryce and beans for a snack, but somebody ate
it already.   Musta been my friend Xara. See if we invite HER over again.

I told you it was gonna get ugly.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

"Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
news:ckv16o01a8p@news4.newsguy.com
> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
> news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>>
>>> "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
>>>> Carl Frisk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>>>>>>> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
> venture
>>>>>> capital company:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us 
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> adventurously than others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sally Beacham
>>>>>> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>>>>>> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>>>>>> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor 
>>>>> Sally.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
>>>> Corelate her wording too :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
>>>
>>> You got me started.  This could get ugly.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sally Beacham
>>> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>>> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>>> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
>
> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
>
> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
> search of supper.
>
>
> --
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

Ya'll fix supper, I'll Paint the Shop like a Pro ;)
McG. 

"Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message 
news:416FAAF8.2D2ED63F@jasc.com...
> Cory Seedan wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> Larger software companies buy out smaller software companies for one
>> of two reasons.
>
> By various measures Corel is a company about three times
> the size of Jasc and, like Jasc, is privately held.
>
>> Either to branch out to acquire a new product and
>> market, or to absorb and eliminate a competitor within the same
>> market.  Since Corel already produces graphics products, I must assume
>> the latter in this case.
>
> If you have been following this newsgroup, you will have
> seen recurrent suggestions to use software other than PSP
> and seen requests for comparisons between PSP and other
> software. In neither case is Corel mentioned. This is
> because Jasc and Corel products provide different capabilities
> and compete in different markets. They complement each other
> and now all these products are available from a single
> company - Corel.
>
> [snip]
>
>> Whatever happens, good luck!
>
> Thank you.

Yet another favourite program bought up.

Symantec bought Powerquest, no more Drive Image, "have our Ghost program
instead"

Well, I was going to upgrade to PSPv9, but now I don't know.
I use to have Coreldraw v.5 (shudder)

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net


"Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message news:4173640D.65F811DF@visi.com...
> Carl Frisk wrote:
>>
>> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:WjIcd.2592$TW4.2589@trnddc07...
>> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:ckv16o01a8p@news4.newsguy.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
>> >>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
>> >>> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>> >>> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
>> >> venture
>> >>> >> > > capital company:)
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
>> >>> >> > > adventurously than others.
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > > --
>> >>> >> > > Sally Beacham
>> >>> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> >>> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> >>> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
>> >>> >> Corelate her wording too :)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Sally Beacham
>> >>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> >>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> >>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
>> >>
>> >> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
>> >> search of supper.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sally Beacham
>> >> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> >> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> >> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > At least it says OT in the subject or I would have to come up with some sort of Corelation between this post and 
>> > all
>> > the previous posts in this thread.  Hope you had a good meal:)
>> >
>> > --
>> > ...Carl Frisk
>> > Anger is a brief madness.
>> > - Horace, 20 B.C.
>> > http://www.carlfrisk.net
>>
>> Actually I meant to say 'I would have to "draw some sort of Corelation"'.
>
> Even though this is a PSP group, I see you can't stop the
> R.A.V.E. about CorelDRAW. The correction makes your post
> WordPerfect. Perhaps you should have a Painter make some
> DRAWings of it. He can CorelTRACE the text and apply some
> PHOTO-PAINT to it, running it through the JPEG Optimizer
> in PSP for posting to a binaries newsgroup. He can KnockOut
> all this stuff while keeping his Studio clean by organizing
> his work in an Album. If he needs to make Presentations, he
> can drive his Audi Quattro Pro to get there. I suppose he
> will keep his Kai Power Tools in the trunk in case they are
> needed as Essentials on Hwy 101 to Ventura.
>
> In case you were wondering: http://tinyurl.com/4jyxq and,
> no, I don't work in Marketing :)
>
>> --
>> ...Carl Frisk
>> Anger is a brief madness.
>> - Horace, 20 B.C.
>> http://www.carlfrisk.net 

"Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message news:4173640D.65F811DF@visi.com...
> Carl Frisk wrote:
>>
>> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:WjIcd.2592$TW4.2589@trnddc07...
>> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:ckv16o01a8p@news4.newsguy.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
>> >>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
>> >>> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>> >>> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>> >>> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
>> >> venture
>> >>> >> > > capital company:)
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
>> >>> >> > > adventurously than others.
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > > --
>> >>> >> > > Sally Beacham
>> >>> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> >>> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> >>> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> > >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
>> >>> >> Corelate her wording too :)
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Sally Beacham
>> >>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> >>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> >>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
>> >>
>> >> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
>> >>
>> >> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
>> >> search of supper.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sally Beacham
>> >> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>> >> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>> >> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > At least it says OT in the subject or I would have to come up with some sort of Corelation between this post and 
>> > all
>> > the previous posts in this thread.  Hope you had a good meal:)
>> >
>> > --
>> > ...Carl Frisk
>> > Anger is a brief madness.
>> > - Horace, 20 B.C.
>> > http://www.carlfrisk.net
>>
>> Actually I meant to say 'I would have to "draw some sort of Corelation"'.
>
> Even though this is a PSP group, I see you can't stop the
> R.A.V.E. about CorelDRAW. The correction makes your post
> WordPerfect. Perhaps you should have a Painter make some
> DRAWings of it. He can CorelTRACE the text and apply some
> PHOTO-PAINT to it, running it through the JPEG Optimizer
> in PSP for posting to a binaries newsgroup. He can KnockOut
> all this stuff while keeping his Studio clean by organizing
> his work in an Album. If he needs to make Presentations, he
> can drive his Audi Quattro Pro to get there. I suppose he
> will keep his Kai Power Tools in the trunk in case they are
> needed as Essentials on Hwy 101 to Ventura.
>
> In case you were wondering: http://tinyurl.com/4jyxq and,
> no, I don't work in Marketing :)
>
>> --
>> ...Carl Frisk
>> Anger is a brief madness.
>> - Horace, 20 B.C.
>> http://www.carlfrisk.net

I got all the references.  I bow to the Master:)  I can't stop laughing.

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net 

Sorry about that last post I was laughing so hard I accidentally hit send.

-- 
....Carl Frisk
Anger is a brief madness.
- Horace, 20 B.C.
http://www.carlfrisk.net


"Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%H_cd.2794$gq2.1088@trnddc01...
> 
> 
> -- 
> ...Carl Frisk
> Anger is a brief madness.
> - Horace, 20 B.C.
> http://www.carlfrisk.net
> 
> 
> "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message news:4173640D.65F811DF@visi.com...
>> Carl Frisk wrote:
>>>
>>> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:WjIcd.2592$TW4.2589@trnddc07...
>>> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message news:ckv16o01a8p@news4.newsguy.com...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:2rDcd.7081$232.5516@trnddc09...
>>> >>> "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:ckurnr014jj@news4.newsguy.com...
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > "Kris Zaklika" <kz@visi.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> > news:4172EEEC.A48A0BF7@visi.com...
>>> >>> >> Carl Frisk wrote:
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > "Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> > news:cktvlh07ah@news2.newsguy.com...
>>> >>> >> > >
>>> >>> >> > > "Carl Frisk" <carlf13@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> >> > > news:eKqcd.577$EP4.564@trnddc06...
>>> >>> >> > >> Yeah easy to do esp. when tired.  Since Vector Capital is a
>>> >> venture
>>> >>> >> > > capital company:)
>>> >>> >> > >
>>> >>> >> > > Yeah, and we venture to use vectors all the time... some of us more
>>> >>> >> > > adventurously than others.
>>> >>> >> > >
>>> >>> >> > >
>>> >>> >> > > --
>>> >>> >> > > Sally Beacham
>>> >>> >> > > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>>> >>> >> > > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>>> >>> >> > > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>> >>> >> > >
>>> >>> >> > >
>>> >>> >> > >
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > ROTFL :)  I venture to say you have quite a wry sense of humor Sally.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Yes, she frequently capitalizes on it. Now she's learned to
>>> >>> >> Corelate her wording too :)
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Am I to assume that your fellow employees are now Corelatives?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > You got me started.  This could get ugly.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> > Sally Beacham
>>> >>> > www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>>> >>> > Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>>> >>> > Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Won't get ugly if we corral it in, in time.
>>> >>
>>> >> Can we please stay on a Corelevant topic?
>>> >>
>>> >> Otherwise I will have to Corelinquish my spot in this thread and go in
>>> >> search of supper.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Sally Beacham
>>> >> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
>>> >> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
>>> >> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > At least it says OT in the subject or I would have to come up with some sort of Corelation between this post and 
>>> > all
>>> > the previous posts in this thread.  Hope you had a good meal:)
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > ...Carl Frisk
>>> > Anger is a brief madness.
>>> > - Horace, 20 B.C.
>>> > http://www.carlfrisk.net
>>>
>>> Actually I meant to say 'I would have to "draw some sort of Corelation"'.
>>
>> Even though this is a PSP group, I see you can't stop the
>> R.A.V.E. about CorelDRAW. The correction makes your post
>> WordPerfect. Perhaps you should have a Painter make some
>> DRAWings of it. He can CorelTRACE the text and apply some
>> PHOTO-PAINT to it, running it through the JPEG Optimizer
>> in PSP for posting to a binaries newsgroup. He can KnockOut
>> all this stuff while keeping his Studio clean by organizing
>> his work in an Album. If he needs to make Presentations, he
>> can drive his Audi Quattro Pro to get there. I suppose he
>> will keep his Kai Power Tools in the trunk in case they are
>> needed as Essentials on Hwy 101 to Ventura.
>>
>> In case you were wondering: http://tinyurl.com/4jyxq and,
>> no, I don't work in Marketing :)
>>
>>> --
>>> ...Carl Frisk
>>> Anger is a brief madness.
>>> - Horace, 20 B.C.
>>> http://www.carlfrisk.net 
>

Uni wrote:
> McGrandpa wrote:
>>
>> And, it wouldn't take a year for them to have PSP surpassing PS
>> completely, specific industry standards which are missing in PSP now
>> would be implemented of course.  I think Mehta is saying he's got a
>> vision of creating a PS killer.  PSP is (to me) far easier to use in
>> all areas than PS is.   "Industry Standard" is a barrier to PSP. 
>> Perhaps Mehta intends to see to it PSP breaks that barrier.  It's
>> far more than a feather in his cap if it does.  Adobe would cry.
>
> I guess you and Metha would enjoy seeing American software programmers
> lose their job to a foreign company.
>
> Uni

Not that I really care (I'm neither American nor Canadian) but how do 
you manage the mental gymnastics that turns Jasc into a Canadian company 
following their sale to Corel, but fails to make Corel an American 
company because of they've been bought out by Vector Capital.
Or for that matter saying that Amish Mehta is not an American name. 
Perhaps you only think that European names are American names. Is your 
own name American or European. I don't mean Uni (a Japanese term for sea 
urchin roe), but your real name. Maybe your real name is Running Bear 
(or Useless Weasel)... rendered in the appropriate Native American 
language of course.

-- 
Tim 

Tim wrote:
> Uni wrote:
> 
>>McGrandpa wrote:
>>
>>>And, it wouldn't take a year for them to have PSP surpassing PS
>>>completely, specific industry standards which are missing in PSP now
>>>would be implemented of course.  I think Mehta is saying he's got a
>>>vision of creating a PS killer.  PSP is (to me) far easier to use in
>>>all areas than PS is.   "Industry Standard" is a barrier to PSP. 
>>>Perhaps Mehta intends to see to it PSP breaks that barrier.  It's
>>>far more than a feather in his cap if it does.  Adobe would cry.
>>
>>I guess you and Metha would enjoy seeing American software programmers
>>lose their job to a foreign company.
>>
>>Uni
> 
> 
> Not that I really care (I'm neither American nor Canadian) but how do 
> you manage the mental gymnastics that turns Jasc into a Canadian company 
> following their sale to Corel, but fails to make Corel an American 
> company because of they've been bought out by Vector Capital.
> Or for that matter saying that Amish Mehta is not an American name. 

It is obviously a common name in India, not in the USA.
http://www.newstabs.com/archive/2002/nbo/issue10/profile.htm

Uni
p.s. How to spot a PSP-8 & 9 saleman: They always say "Funny, it works 
fine for me!" even though 99.9% of others don't agree.

> Perhaps you only think that European names are American names. Is your 
> own name American or European. I don't mean Uni (a Japanese term for sea 
> urchin roe), but your real name. Maybe your real name is Running Bear 
> (or Useless Weasel)... rendered in the appropriate Native American 
> language of course.

Kris Zaklika wrote:
 

> 
> I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
> the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
> in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
> aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
> very high value, a very high set of features and very high
> compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
> software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
> such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
> the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
> they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
> value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
> to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
> Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
> Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
> ($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
> or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
> parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
> Do you see the correlation?
> 
Kris- I know you're optimistic but for people like me who dislike
Corel for all they stand for, for all they've done to sabotage the
graphics industry and for all the damage, high prices and more I have
to say that the acquisition of Jasc is a disaster!

I live in Canada and have been watching what Corel has been up to for
the past 6 or so years: waste, wasted resources, buyout the
competitors and bury the products; charge high prices for upgrades
that are out of reach of most people and offer glitchy and buggy
services packs. 

The genii is out of the bottle now that it's a done deal. I really
feel that Jasc was sold a bill of goods by Corel and it's the end
users that will suffer because of it.

I remember the multiple millions of dollars that were wasted by
Michael Cowpland who used stocks as a personal piggy bank to bankroll
his trophy wife's expensive tastes. I remember how he was 'allowed' to
resign, how Corel had to sell its' stock and portfolio options cheap
to recoup the horrific losses that Corel incurred. I remember how
Corel tried to buy out just about every graphics competitor on the
planet- change code, bury some products and attempt to incorporate
some products in 'new' versions. I remember how Corel then had to sell
off some of those very graphics products it bought in order to get
some cash flow....

....and the graphics industry never really did recover from that
debacle.

I went with Jasc PSP over Adobe primarily for cost reasons. I should
have gone with Adobe Photoshop in the beginning after all. <shaking my
head>

This isn't sour grapes or a 'doom and gloom' bitchfest, Kris. My
feelings come from the vantage point of sadness and disappointment.

Jasc made a deal with the devil, IMO.

http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/15/000815hncowpland.html

......and the merger of Corel and Linux was just as awful too.

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/appdev/story/0,10801,48749,00.html

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:05:39 -0400, Bonnie <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote:

>
>
>Kris Zaklika wrote:
> 
>
>> 
>> I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
>> the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
>> in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
>> aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
>> very high value, a very high set of features and very high
>> compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
>> the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
>> software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
>> such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
>> the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
>> they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
>> value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
>> to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
>> Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
>> Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
>> ($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
>> or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
>> parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
>> Do you see the correlation?
>> 
>Kris- I know you're optimistic but for people like me who dislike
>Corel for all they stand for, for all they've done to sabotage the
>graphics industry and for all the damage, high prices and more I have
>to say that the acquisition of Jasc is a disaster!
>
>I live in Canada and have been watching what Corel has been up to for
>the past 6 or so years: waste, wasted resources, buyout the
>competitors and bury the products; charge high prices for upgrades
>that are out of reach of most people and offer glitchy and buggy
>services packs. 
>
>The genii is out of the bottle now that it's a done deal. I really
>feel that Jasc was sold a bill of goods by Corel and it's the end
>users that will suffer because of it.
>
>I remember the multiple millions of dollars that were wasted by
>Michael Cowpland who used stocks as a personal piggy bank to bankroll
>his trophy wife's expensive tastes. I remember how he was 'allowed' to
>resign, how Corel had to sell its' stock and portfolio options cheap
>to recoup the horrific losses that Corel incurred. I remember how
>Corel tried to buy out just about every graphics competitor on the
>planet- change code, bury some products and attempt to incorporate
>some products in 'new' versions. I remember how Corel then had to sell
>off some of those very graphics products it bought in order to get
>some cash flow....
>
>...and the graphics industry never really did recover from that
>debacle.
>
>I went with Jasc PSP over Adobe primarily for cost reasons. I should
>have gone with Adobe Photoshop in the beginning after all. <shaking my
>head>
>
>This isn't sour grapes or a 'doom and gloom' bitchfest, Kris. My
>feelings come from the vantage point of sadness and disappointment.
>
>Jasc made a deal with the devil, IMO.
>
>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/15/000815hncowpland.html
>
>.....and the merger of Corel and Linux was just as awful too.
>
>http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/appdev/story/0,10801,48749,00.html



You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:15:17 GMT, fugitive <gregfarr@earthlink..net>
wrote:

>You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
>yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.

An answer to four year old "news", since which time Corel has been
bought out by Vector and is under new management?

Why is any answer needed beyond "different people, long time past"?

Jackie

-- 
< o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
  ---@ )                                                         ()-()
< o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
*****************************************************************/\o/\

Bonnie wrote:
> 
> Kris Zaklika wrote:
>  
> 
> 
>>I and many others at Jasc have met with Corel management and
>>the Corel CEO. As was Jasc, Corel too is a company interested
>>in providing value. In the words of the Corel CEO: "We are
>>aggressively focused on providing software that delivers
>>very high value, a very high set of features and very high
>>compatibility with other products out there and on becoming
>>the value-conscious customer's and the SMB customer's
>>software provider of choice. Some of the other companies,
>>such as Microsoft and Adobe, have done a good job of cornering
>>the enterprise market, but the products and price points that
>>they offer don't always make a lot of sense for SMBs and
>>value-conscious customers." Don't compare the price of PSP
>>to the price of CorelDRAW since the products do not compete.
>>Instead compare CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12 ($399) to Adobe
>>Illustrator CS ($499) or compare WordPerfect Office Suite 12
>>($300) to Microsoft Office Professional Edition 2003 ($499)
>>or Microsoft Office Standard Edition 2003 ($399). The words
>>parallel the actions. Now compare PSP to Adobe Photoshop CS.
>>Do you see the correlation?
>>
> 
> Kris- I know you're optimistic but for people like me who dislike
> Corel for all they stand for, for all they've done to sabotage the
> graphics industry and for all the damage, high prices and more I have
> to say that the acquisition of Jasc is a disaster!
> 
> I live in Canada and have been watching what Corel has been up to for
> the past 6 or so years: waste, wasted resources, buyout the
> competitors and bury the products; charge high prices for upgrades
> that are out of reach of most people and offer glitchy and buggy
> services packs. 
> 
> The genii is out of the bottle now that it's a done deal. I really
> feel that Jasc was sold a bill of goods by Corel and it's the end
> users that will suffer because of it.
> 
> I remember the multiple millions of dollars that were wasted by
> Michael Cowpland who used stocks as a personal piggy bank to bankroll
> his trophy wife's expensive tastes. I remember how he was 'allowed' to
> resign, how Corel had to sell its' stock and portfolio options cheap
> to recoup the horrific losses that Corel incurred. I remember how
> Corel tried to buy out just about every graphics competitor on the
> planet- change code, bury some products and attempt to incorporate
> some products in 'new' versions. I remember how Corel then had to sell
> off some of those very graphics products it bought in order to get
> some cash flow....
> 
> ...and the graphics industry never really did recover from that
> debacle.
> 
> I went with Jasc PSP over Adobe primarily for cost reasons. I should
> have gone with Adobe Photoshop in the beginning after all. <shaking my
> head>

So true. At least with Adobe, you won't have to search to find who 
bought them out.

:-)

Notice how Amish compares Paint Shop Pro to Photoshop. He couldn't wait 
to use Jasc's old site for it. Sadly, he should be comparing Paint Shop 
Pro to Photoshop Elements, but he knew he couldn't do that, because 
Photoshop Elements is less expensive than Amish's Paint Shop Pro!

:-)

Uni

Jackie Laderoute wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:15:17 GMT, fugitive <gregfarr@earthlink..net>
> wrote:
> 
> >You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
> >yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.
> 
> An answer to four year old "news", since which time Corel has been
> bought out by Vector and is under new management?
> 
> Why is any answer needed beyond "different people, long time past"?

Ever heard the expression 'The past is prologue'? You can't sweep
years of mismanagement under the rug as if it never happened. Vector
notwithstanding- there are still the old Corel attitudes, employees
and mindsets to wit- the buyout of Jasc. They're still trying to
control the graphics market...not because of some intrinsic ideal of
'graphics altruism', no, but they (Vector/Corel) still don't have a
solid, reliable product that's affordable to most end-users. To buy
out a solid, reliable company such as Jasc with it's loyal consumer
base is what motivated the buy-out.

I think Ulead and Adobe will ultimately benefit from the mess.
> 
> Jackie
> 
> --
> < o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
>   ---@ )                                                         ()-()
> < o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
> *****************************************************************/\o/\

<snipped>

> >
> > I went with Jasc PSP over Adobe primarily for cost reasons. I should
> > have gone with Adobe Photoshop in the beginning after all. <shaking my
> > head>
> 
> So true. At least with Adobe, you won't have to search to find who
> bought them out.

True. And with Adobe you know you're getting quality (even though some
of the products are not in my budget right now), compatibility within
its' own product line and a hundred other products (such as plugins)
is a plus for me.


> 
> :-)
> 
> Notice how Amish compares Paint Shop Pro to Photoshop. He couldn't wait
> to use Jasc's old site for it. Sadly, he should be comparing Paint Shop
> Pro to Photoshop Elements, but he knew he couldn't do that, because
> Photoshop Elements is less expensive than Amish's Paint Shop Pro!
> 
> :-)
> 
> Uni

fugitive wrote:

> You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
> yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.

What is it about some men that when they get old and ugly they think a
beautiful woman that's their daughter's age actually love them for
themselves and not for the millions they can gold dig out of them?
(LOL)

http://www.ottawastart.com/people.shtml (that's the Mrs. in the
picture)

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=marlen+cowpland&sa=N&tab=wi
(her 'clothing')

http://lifewise.canoe.ca/LifewiseFamilyPets00/1114_celebrity_sun.html
(the dog she dyed purple because she kept standing on the poor
creature. Her house is all white and she complained she couldn't see
the dog. When people flipped out at the outrage, she donated  bit
money to the Humane Society, hosted a few charity events and got
herself on the Board of Directors until the outrage died down.)

http://www.anzai.com/corelgala99.htm (notice the solid gold breast
shield. What you can't be seen clearly is the 15 kt diamond 'nipple'
on the outfit.)

http://lifewise.canoe.ca/LifewiseFamilyPets00/1114_celebrity_sun.html
)

Marlen also gets a new car (like a maserati) for each birthday....and
on and on and on. And people wonder why Corel products got so
expensive? Or why Corel went broke?

There's lots more...just Google names and add key words like
bankruptcy, misappropriation, boy out, leverages, etc....you get the
picture.

"Bonnie" <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote in message
news:4176718D.D34DBFCA@asdf.asdf...
>
>
> Jackie Laderoute wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:15:17 GMT, fugitive <gregfarr@earthlink..net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
> > >yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.
> >
> > An answer to four year old "news", since which time Corel has been
> > bought out by Vector and is under new management?
> >
> > Why is any answer needed beyond "different people, long time past"?
>
> Ever heard the expression 'The past is prologue'? You can't sweep
> years of mismanagement under the rug as if it never happened. Vector
> notwithstanding- there are still the old Corel attitudes, employees
> and mindsets to wit- the buyout of Jasc. They're still trying to
> control the graphics market...not because of some intrinsic ideal of
> 'graphics altruism', no, but they (Vector/Corel) still don't have a
> solid, reliable product that's affordable to most end-users. To buy
> out a solid, reliable company such as Jasc with it's loyal consumer
> base is what motivated the buy-out.

What I'm hearing is "damned if they do, damned if they don't."   So they
don't have an affordable full-featured raster app - which isn't good.  So
they buy a company that does... and this is also not good?

Companies are in business to make a profit.  Employees work for companies,
to earn a living.  I really don't see what the problem is - new company, new
leadership, and now the software we love has an opportunity to grow because
of the greater resources available to it.

The past is past. The deal is done.  I'm a "live in the moment" kinda girl
and if things don't work out the way I'd like in the future, there's always
another software box on the shelf. In the meantime, I'm staying put, and
frankly quite optimistic about this turn of events.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

I know this may be OT, but has anyone used Corel's Photo Paint which comes 
as part of the Corel Graphics suite?


"Sally Beacham" <catintheh@t.com> wrote in message 
news:cl5tef01qfd@news4.newsguy.com...
>
> "Bonnie" <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote in message
> news:4176718D.D34DBFCA@asdf.asdf...
>>
>>
>> Jackie Laderoute wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:15:17 GMT, fugitive <gregfarr@earthlink..net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
>> > >yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.
>> >
>> > An answer to four year old "news", since which time Corel has been
>> > bought out by Vector and is under new management?
>> >
>> > Why is any answer needed beyond "different people, long time past"?
>>
>> Ever heard the expression 'The past is prologue'? You can't sweep
>> years of mismanagement under the rug as if it never happened. Vector
>> notwithstanding- there are still the old Corel attitudes, employees
>> and mindsets to wit- the buyout of Jasc. They're still trying to
>> control the graphics market...not because of some intrinsic ideal of
>> 'graphics altruism', no, but they (Vector/Corel) still don't have a
>> solid, reliable product that's affordable to most end-users. To buy
>> out a solid, reliable company such as Jasc with it's loyal consumer
>> base is what motivated the buy-out.
>
> What I'm hearing is "damned if they do, damned if they don't."   So they
> don't have an affordable full-featured raster app - which isn't good.  So
> they buy a company that does... and this is also not good?
>
> Companies are in business to make a profit.  Employees work for companies,
> to earn a living.  I really don't see what the problem is - new company, 
> new
> leadership, and now the software we love has an opportunity to grow 
> because
> of the greater resources available to it.
>
> The past is past. The deal is done.  I'm a "live in the moment" kinda girl
> and if things don't work out the way I'd like in the future, there's 
> always
> another software box on the shelf. In the meantime, I'm staying put, and
> frankly quite optimistic about this turn of events.
>
>
> -- 
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)
>
>
>
>
>
> 

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:09:17 -0400, Bonnie <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote:

>
>
>Jackie Laderoute wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:15:17 GMT, fugitive <gregfarr@earthlink..net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
>> >yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.
>> 
>> An answer to four year old "news", since which time Corel has been
>> bought out by Vector and is under new management?
>> 
>> Why is any answer needed beyond "different people, long time past"?
>
>Ever heard the expression 'The past is prologue'? You can't sweep
>years of mismanagement under the rug as if it never happened. 

Times change, people change, management changes. Where I work, there
is a regular turnover of key personnel - it makes a huge difference. 

>Vector notwithstanding- there are still the old Corel attitudes, 
>employees and mindsets to wit- the buyout of Jasc. 

A buyout of another company proves something about attitudes,
employees and mindsets? I fail to follow the logic behind this
connection.

>They're still trying to control the graphics market...

Bwahahahahaha - yup, just like they're trying to "control" the office
suite market (never mind those Adobe and Microsoft folks). You seem to
have some agenda here. What about Microsoft's buyout of SoftImage,
Visio, and CreatureHouse Expressions? What about Front Page - anyone
remember that it was once Vermeer FrontPage? What about Adobe's
buyouts (Aldus, Yellow Dragon, Q-Link, Frame, Ares, Cyberstudio,
Glassbook, Actlantis, Syntrillium, Cooledit, etc. ad nauseam)? 

It's called business - bigger companies buy smaller ones, for a
variety of reasons. Two - off the top of my head - are to secure the
intellectual property developed by the company (a potentially more
cost-effective alternative than extended licensing or re-inventing the
wheel), in which case the smaller is often subsumed; or to secure the
market share represented by that company, in which case the company
and its products often continues on their own merits. 

>not because of some intrinsic ideal of 'graphics altruism', no, but 
>they (Vector/Corel) still don't have a solid, reliable product that's 
>affordable to most end-users. 

How about Essentials and PrintHouse?

>To buy out a solid, reliable company such as Jasc with it's loyal consumer
>base is what motivated the buy-out.

Well, I could see why a solid, reliable company is a better bet than a
tenuous, unreliable one - but I'm also certain that Corel would not
have bought Jasc if they hadn't been in the market already. Again, I
think you're confusing cause and effect.

>I think Ulead and Adobe will ultimately benefit from the mess.

For what it's worth, I own Ulead and Adobe graphics products. I also
own Corel and Jasc graphics products. For that matter, I own Serif,
Microsoft and Xara graphics products. They all have strengths and
weakenesses. I would love to see PSP with a more robust vector
capability and compatibility with CorelDraw. I'd love to see more Art
Media capability, compatible with Painter. That's certainly a more
reasonable expectation now.

If we're going to gaze into our crystal balls, I would see three
strong Corel products - Draw, Painter and PSP. I would see PSP's
purpose as twofold; first, to provide the photo editing capabilities
for the trio, and second, to provide introductions to the basic
functionality of the other two products. Falling in love with PSP
vectors? Upgrade to Draw. Fascinated with natural media? Upgrade to
Painter.

It's as reliable a prediction as any of the others here - I just
prefer not to believe the sky is falling until the evidence is
stronger than four-year-old acorns.

Jackie

-- 
< o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
  ---@ )                                                         ()-()
< o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
*****************************************************************/\o/\

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:10:05 -0700, "Gary" <sgary53@qwest.net> wrote:

>I know this may be OT, but has anyone used Corel's Photo Paint which comes 
>as part of the Corel Graphics suite?

Sure (although not as much as I use Draw). What did you want to know
about it?

Jackie

-- 
< o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
  ---@ )                                                         ()-()
< o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
*****************************************************************/\o/\

Bonnie wrote:
> 
> Jackie Laderoute wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:15:17 GMT, fugitive <gregfarr@earthlink..net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You got me interested, trophy babe, wow, misappropriation of funds,
>>>yes definitely more. I can't see Kris having an answer to this one.
>>
>>An answer to four year old "news", since which time Corel has been
>>bought out by Vector and is under new management?
>>
>>Why is any answer needed beyond "different people, long time past"?
> 
> 
> Ever heard the expression 'The past is prologue'? You can't sweep
> years of mismanagement under the rug as if it never happened. Vector
> notwithstanding- there are still the old Corel attitudes, employees
> and mindsets to wit- the buyout of Jasc. They're still trying to
> control the graphics market...not because of some intrinsic ideal of
> 'graphics altruism', no, but they (Vector/Corel) still don't have a
> solid, reliable product that's affordable to most end-users. To buy
> out a solid, reliable company such as Jasc with it's loyal consumer
> base is what motivated the buy-out.
> 
> I think Ulead and Adobe will ultimately benefit from the mess.

Corel is just pocket change compared to Ulead or Adobe.

:-)

Uni

Bonnie wrote:
> <snipped>
> 
>>>I went with Jasc PSP over Adobe primarily for cost reasons. I should
>>>have gone with Adobe Photoshop in the beginning after all. <shaking my
>>>head>
>>
>>So true. At least with Adobe, you won't have to search to find who
>>bought them out.
> 
> 
> True. And with Adobe you know you're getting quality


So true, Bonnie (I like your name). Granted, PSP does have some feature 
of Elements and Photoshop, but it lacks accuracy. Like, I tested the HSL 
  feature of PSP-7 and it failed miserably. Of course, the people in 
this group, even Kris, said there were workarounds for it. Why on earth 
would I want workarounds when the HSL should have worked correctly, like 
it did in Element 2. Lack of decent testing and Quality Control, I say.

Uni


  (even though some
> of the products are not in my budget right now), compatibility within
> its' own product line and a hundred other products (such as plugins)
> is a plus for me.
> 
> 
> 
>>:-)
>>
>>Notice how Amish compares Paint Shop Pro to Photoshop. He couldn't wait
>>to use Jasc's old site for it. Sadly, he should be comparing Paint Shop
>>Pro to Photoshop Elements, but he knew he couldn't do that, because
>>Photoshop Elements is less expensive than Amish's Paint Shop Pro!
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>Uni

Well Jackie, first thanks for answering. Second, why would a company that 
has a "full blown" paint program that it doesn't seem to sell on its own any 
more, buy a company that pretty much only makes a paint program. I have 
owned several versions of Draw since version 3 and rarely used their 
Photo-Paint. Started using PSP back around version 4 and use it all the 
time, by-passing Photo-paint 12 and Photoshop CS most of the time. I just 
like PSP for most of my web work.

Mostly, I just wondered if anyone used Photo-paint, or they were just 
bashing Corel.

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"Jackie Laderoute" <jfladeroute@shaw.ca> wrote in message 
news:lv3en0phbbbghdf7blm7aj8fuqnpv2c4i0@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:10:05 -0700, "Gary" <sgary53@qwest.net> wrote:
>
>>I know this may be OT, but has anyone used Corel's Photo Paint which comes
>>as part of the Corel Graphics suite?
>
> Sure (although not as much as I use Draw). What did you want to know
> about it?
>
> Jackie
>
> -- 
> < o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
>  ---@ )                                                         ()-()
> < o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
> *****************************************************************/\o/\ 

Sally Beacham wrote:
<snipped>
> What I'm hearing is "damned if they do, damned if they don't."   So they
> don't have an affordable full-featured raster app - which isn't good.  So
> they buy a company that does... and this is also not good?
> 
> Companies are in business to make a profit.  Employees work for companies,
> to earn a living.  I really don't see what the problem is - new company, new
> leadership, and now the software we love has an opportunity to grow because
> of the greater resources available to it.

You obviously missed the whole point of my note.
> 
> The past is past. The deal is done.  I'm a "live in the moment" kinda girl
> and if things don't work out the way I'd like in the future, there's always
> another software box on the shelf.

How nice for you...but most of us live in the real world where we have
to plan for the future, make goals and work towards them and take a
long-range view of things all the way down to making financial
investments in smaller things like software where even intangibles
such as an investment in time/learning curve of software capabilities.


 In the meantime, I'm staying put, and
> frankly quite optimistic about this turn of events.

Well goody for you Sally. I'm so glad to hear that. But for working
stiff such as myself whose investments are chosen on more important
attributes other than whims the news that Jasc is just another
take-over is a major disappointment...expecially considering that v9
is a bug fix for a buggy, slow, memory-hogging bloatware v8. I'm sorry
I upgraded. I'm back to 7.02 now and am currently looking at Ulead and
Adobe's product lines.
> 
> --
> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)

Jackie Laderoute wrote:
< I just
> prefer not to believe the sky is falling until the evidence is
> stronger than four-year-old acorns.

Indeed. But- it's not just 'four-year-old acorns'. It's an ongoing
trend of buyouts & burials, etc that continues to the current Jasc
situation.

More of the 'same old same old'.
> 
> Jackie
> 
> --
> < o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
>   ---@ )                                                         ()-()
> < o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
> *****************************************************************/\o/\

Gary wrote:
> 
> Well Jackie, first thanks for answering. Second, why would a company that
> has a "full blown" paint program that it doesn't seem to sell on its own any
> more, buy a company that pretty much only makes a paint program.

Try and get past the names of products. Painter is the paint
program par excellence. In the painting arena it is the one
all others are compared against. Instead ask yourself which
previous Corel products were geared towards enhancement and
editing of digital camera and other photographic images. PSP
has those capabilities, notwithstanding the word "paint" in
its name and so adds something to Corel's stable of products.
There is nothing very much in a name. For quite a while
Photoshop had nothing very much to do with photos at all.
You should also bear in mind that your "pretty much only make
a paint program" is a mischaracterization in another way.
Jasc makes and sells Album, a product for organizing images
that also allows some editing. For many people it is their
first introduction to image editing, from which they can
graduate to something more powerful. Corel had nothing like
that in their line-up of products.

> I have
> owned several versions of Draw since version 3 and rarely used their
> Photo-Paint. Started using PSP back around version 4 and use it all the
> time, by-passing Photo-paint 12 and Photoshop CS most of the time. I just
> like PSP for most of my web work.

Maybe Corel understands your choices and wants to sell a
product to you that you aren't currently buying from Corel.

> Mostly, I just wondered if anyone used Photo-paint, or they were just
> bashing Corel.

Opinions in newsgroups are worth exactly what you paid for
them. Sometimes posters have established a track record of
competence and, knowing that record, you can trust their
posts more than others.

[snip]

Uni wrote:
> 
> Bonnie wrote:
> > <snipped>
> >
> >>>I went with Jasc PSP over Adobe primarily for cost reasons. I should
> >>>have gone with Adobe Photoshop in the beginning after all. <shaking my
> >>>head>
> >>
> >>So true. At least with Adobe, you won't have to search to find who
> >>bought them out.
> >
> >
> > True. And with Adobe you know you're getting quality
> 
> So true, Bonnie (I like your name). Granted, PSP does have some feature
> of Elements and Photoshop, but it lacks accuracy. Like, I tested the HSL
>   feature of PSP-7 and it failed miserably. Of course, the people in
> this group, even Kris, said there were workarounds for it. Why on earth
> would I want workarounds when the HSL should have worked correctly, like
> it did in Element 2. Lack of decent testing and Quality Control, I say.
> 
> Uni
Amen! Couldn't agree more! <smiling> and btw~I like your name too :)


> 
>   (even though some
> > of the products are not in my budget right now), compatibility within
> > its' own product line and a hundred other products (such as plugins)
> > is a plus for me.
> >
> >
> >
> >>:-)
> >>
> >>Notice how Amish compares Paint Shop Pro to Photoshop. He couldn't wait
> >>to use Jasc's old site for it. Sadly, he should be comparing Paint Shop
> >>Pro to Photoshop Elements, but he knew he couldn't do that, because
> >>Photoshop Elements is less expensive than Amish's Paint Shop Pro!
> >>
> >>:-)
> >>
> >>Uni

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:23:28 -0400, Bonnie <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote:
>Jackie Laderoute wrote:
>
>< I just
>> prefer not to believe the sky is falling until the evidence is
>> stronger than four-year-old acorns.
>
>Indeed. But- it's not just 'four-year-old acorns'. It's an ongoing
>trend of buyouts & burials, etc that continues to the current Jasc
>situation.
>
>More of the 'same old same old'.

I notice that you were quite selective in your reply, so I'll ask the
question again - how does this differ from the Microsoft and Adobe
trends of buyouts and burials? If you object to Corel on those
grounds, you'd be better off avoiding  Adobe's long history of
entirely swallowing the competition. Actually, though, there is a
difference - when Corel bought out Xara, it didn't just end the
product line. Mind you, it didn't spend a whole lot of effort
developing it either, but when they decided they weren't really
interested in it anymore they just let it go back to the original
developers. That may be not be the ideal, but as a happy Xara customer
I'm quite grateful that they didn't just kill it off.

Can you give any more tangible reason than what is currently boiling
down to "I don't like Corel"? 

As for me, I'm quite happy with my current Corel products, and see no
reason to believe that I won't be in the future. In the meantime, I
see no real point in bemoaning what I can't control. "The moving
finger writes...".

Jackie

-- 
< o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
  ---@ )                                                         ()-()
< o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
*****************************************************************/\o/\

"> Sally Beacham wrote:
> <snipped>
> > What I'm hearing is "damned if they do, damned if they don't."   So they
> > don't have an affordable full-featured raster app - which isn't good.
So
> > they buy a company that does... and this is also not good?
> >
> > Companies are in business to make a profit.  Employees work for
companies,
> > to earn a living.  I really don't see what the problem is - new company,
new
> > leadership, and now the software we love has an opportunity to grow
because
> > of the greater resources available to it.
>
> You obviously missed the whole point of my note.

What WAS the point?

> >
> > The past is past. The deal is done.  I'm a "live in the moment" kinda
girl
> > and if things don't work out the way I'd like in the future, there's
always
> > another software box on the shelf.
>
> How nice for you...but most of us live in the real world where we have
> to plan for the future, make goals and work towards them and take a
> long-range view of things all the way down to making financial
> investments in smaller things like software where even intangibles
> such as an investment in time/learning curve of software capabilities.

And you think Sally and the Jasc folks don't?  Newsflash, Sally works full
time job, that in addition to the books she has authored, not to mention the
classes she writes and teaches!!

>
>
>  In the meantime, I'm staying put, and
> > frankly quite optimistic about this turn of events.
>
> Well goody for you Sally. I'm so glad to hear that. But for working
> stiff such as myself whose investments are chosen on more important
> attributes other than whims the news that Jasc is just another
> take-over is a major disappointment...expecially considering that v9
> is a bug fix for a buggy, slow, memory-hogging bloatware v8. I'm sorry
> I upgraded. I'm back to 7.02 now and am currently looking at Ulead and
> Adobe's product lines.

Why don't you chill a bit and give them a chance to see what happens? If it
doesn't work, which I think it likely will, you can come back here and tell
us all "I told you so" !! But heck, don't sweep it under the rug before they
even have a chance to try it!  What's it been ? A week or so the
announcement has been out?  If nothing else, give it a chance for the good
folks at Jasc that we have all gotten to know somewhat over the years , I
believe all of them have truly EARNED our respect even if COREL hasn't in
some cases!

Sonja wrote:
<snipped>
> 
> And you think Sally and the Jasc folks don't?  Newsflash, Sally works full
> time job, that in addition to the books she has authored, not to mention the
> classes she writes and teaches!!

Are you her sockpuppet? 

> 
> Why don't you chill a bit and give them a chance to see what happens? If it
> doesn't work, which I think it likely will, you can come back here and tell
> us all "I told you so" !! But heck, don't sweep it under the rug before they
> even have a chance to try it!  What's it been ? A week or so the
> announcement has been out?  If nothing else, give it a chance for the good
> folks at Jasc that we have all gotten to know somewhat over the years , I
> believe all of them have truly EARNED our respect even if COREL hasn't in
> some cases!

Jackie Laderoute wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:23:28 -0400, Bonnie <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote:
> >Jackie Laderoute wrote:
> >
> >< I just
> >> prefer not to believe the sky is falling until the evidence is
> >> stronger than four-year-old acorns.
> >
> >Indeed. But- it's not just 'four-year-old acorns'. It's an ongoing
> >trend of buyouts & burials, etc that continues to the current Jasc
> >situation.
> >
> >More of the 'same old same old'.
> 
> I notice that you were quite selective in your reply, so I'll ask the
> question again - how does this differ from the Microsoft and Adobe
> trends of buyouts and burials? If you object to Corel on those
> grounds, you'd be better off avoiding  Adobe's long history of
> entirely swallowing the competition. Actually, though, there is a
> difference - when Corel bought out Xara, it didn't just end the
> product line. Mind you, it didn't spend a whole lot of effort
> developing it either, but when they decided they weren't really
> interested in it anymore they just let it go back to the original
> developers. That may be not be the ideal, but as a happy Xara customer
> I'm quite grateful that they didn't just kill it off.
> 
> Can you give any more tangible reason than what is currently boiling
> down to "I don't like Corel"?

Re-read my answer. I shouldn't have to repeat myself.
> 
> As for me, I'm quite happy with my current Corel products, and see no
> reason to believe that I won't be in the future. In the meantime, I
> see no real point in bemoaning what I can't control. "The moving
> finger writes...".
> 
> Jackie
> 
> --
> < o \"/  Don't play cat and mouse with me!                         (
>   ---@ )                                                         ()-()
> < o /"\  Jackie Laderoute                  jfladeroute@shaw.ca   (o o)
> *****************************************************************/\o/\

"Bonnie" <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote in message
news:417827FC.13842DC9@asdf.asdf...
>
>
> Sonja wrote:
> <snipped>
> >
> > And you think Sally and the Jasc folks don't?  Newsflash, Sally works
full
> > time job, that in addition to the books she has authored, not to mention
the
> > classes she writes and teaches!!
>
> Are you her sockpuppet?

And who's sockpuppet are YOU?

asdf@asdf.asdf - my, I don't believe you've contributed anything memorable
AT ALL to this newsgroup... ever.

So now's just as good a time to plonk you as any.


-- 
Sally Beacham
www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
Digital Scrapbooking (Course Technology)




>
> >
> > Why don't you chill a bit and give them a chance to see what happens? If
it
> > doesn't work, which I think it likely will, you can come back here and
tell
> > us all "I told you so" !! But heck, don't sweep it under the rug before
they
> > even have a chance to try it!  What's it been ? A week or so the
> > announcement has been out?  If nothing else, give it a chance for the
good
> > folks at Jasc that we have all gotten to know somewhat over the years ,
I
> > believe all of them have truly EARNED our respect even if COREL hasn't
in
> > some cases!

Bonnie wrote:
> 
> Sonja wrote:
> <snipped>
> 
>>And you think Sally and the Jasc folks don't?  Newsflash, Sally works full
>>time job, that in addition to the books she has authored, not to mention the
>>classes she writes and teaches!!
> 
> 
> Are you her sockpuppet? 

Fat Sally can't write a book that sells to save her big behind.

:-)

Uni


> 
> 
>>Why don't you chill a bit and give them a chance to see what happens? If it
>>doesn't work, which I think it likely will, you can come back here and tell
>>us all "I told you so" !! But heck, don't sweep it under the rug before they
>>even have a chance to try it!  What's it been ? A week or so the
>>announcement has been out?  If nothing else, give it a chance for the good
>>folks at Jasc that we have all gotten to know somewhat over the years , I
>>believe all of them have truly EARNED our respect even if COREL hasn't in
>>some cases!

Bonnie wrote:
> 
> Jackie Laderoute wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:23:28 -0400, Bonnie <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote:
>>
>>>Jackie Laderoute wrote:
>>>
>>>< I just
>>>
>>>>prefer not to believe the sky is falling until the evidence is
>>>>stronger than four-year-old acorns.
>>>
>>>Indeed. But- it's not just 'four-year-old acorns'. It's an ongoing
>>>trend of buyouts & burials, etc that continues to the current Jasc
>>>situation.
>>>
>>>More of the 'same old same old'.
>>
>>I notice that you were quite selective in your reply, so I'll ask the
>>question again - how does this differ from the Microsoft and Adobe
>>trends of buyouts and burials? If you object to Corel on those
>>grounds, you'd be better off avoiding  Adobe's long history of
>>entirely swallowing the competition. Actually, though, there is a
>>difference - when Corel bought out Xara, it didn't just end the
>>product line. Mind you, it didn't spend a whole lot of effort
>>developing it either, but when they decided they weren't really
>>interested in it anymore they just let it go back to the original
>>developers. That may be not be the ideal, but as a happy Xara customer
>>I'm quite grateful that they didn't just kill it off.
>>
>>Can you give any more tangible reason than what is currently boiling
>>down to "I don't like Corel"?
> 
> 
> Re-read my answer. I shouldn't have to repeat myself.

The gallon contain of ice cream in front of Jackie's face was probably 
blocking her view.

:-)

Uni

> Sonja wrote:
> <snipped>
> >
> > And you think Sally and the Jasc folks don't?  Newsflash, Sally works
full
> > time job, that in addition to the books she has authored, not to mention
the
> > classes she writes and teaches!!
>
> Are you her sockpuppet?


Hahahahah!! LOL well no, I can assure you Sally needs no sockpuppet to speak
FOR her, if you knew ANYTHING about her AT ALL you would know that !!
Sooooooo your comments only reinforce the statement of you(r) and the other
Trolls ignorance and confirm that you are truly a waste of human skin.

My main reasoning for jumping in is something I am sure you could never
grasp so I am not even going to waste my time explaining to the likes of you
but it would also be nice to come down here and read about PSP without
seeing you idiots bashing people you know absolutely NOTHING about.

 bye bye now :)


>
> >
> > Why don't you chill a bit and give them a chance to see what happens? If
it
> > doesn't work, which I think it likely will, you can come back here and
tell
> > us all "I told you so" !! But heck, don't sweep it under the rug before
they
> > even have a chance to try it!  What's it been ? A week or so the
> > announcement has been out?  If nothing else, give it a chance for the
good
> > folks at Jasc that we have all gotten to know somewhat over the years ,
I
> > believe all of them have truly EARNED our respect even if COREL hasn't
in
> > some cases!

Sally Beacham <catintheh@t.com> wrote
news:cl9ka0045s@news4.newsguy.com
> "Bonnie" <asdf@asdf.asdf> wrote in message
> news:417827FC.13842DC9@asdf.asdf...
>> Sonja wrote:
>> <snipped>

>>> And you think Sally and the Jasc folks don't?
>>> Newsflash, Sally works full time job, that in addition
>>> to the books she has authored, not to mention the
>>> classes she writes and teaches!!

>> Are you her sockpuppet?

> And who's sockpuppet are YOU?

> asdf@asdf.asdf - my, I don't believe you've contributed
> anything memorable AT ALL to this newsgroup... ever.

Haha. You mean she doesn't roam the newsgroups looking for
other people's expertise to put in little simpleton books
with your name on them? You are SO funny. No surprise it
took you a week to respond to the Corel takeover. You were
networking like crazy to get a piece of the new pie.

> So now's just as good a time to plonk you as any.

That's right, let your Medusa gang have a go at her and keep
your pudgy hands clean so that the dollars will continue to
land in them.

> Sally Beacham
> www.dizteq.com / www.lvsonline.com
> Paint Shop Pro 8 Zero to Hero
> Digital Scrapbooking (Coarse Technology)
>
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you chill a bit and give them a chance to see
>>> what happens? If it doesn't work, which I think it
>>> likely will, you can come back here and tell us all "I
>>> told you so" !! But heck, don't sweep it under the rug
>>> before they even have a chance to try it!  What's it
>>> been ? A week or so the announcement has been out?  If
>>> nothing else, give it a chance for the good folks at
>>> Jasc that we have all gotten to know somewhat over the
>>> years , I believe all of them have truly EARNED our
>>> respect even if COREL hasn't in some cases!

Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
that Corel is now a Dell product. A way for Dell to
put it's huge hoard of cash to work in software now,
that may be a path to Linux later.  If so, then it will
be a good value for the money product still..



"Jonathan" <I don't like spam thank you. Cat food is cheaper.> wrote in 
message news:OM-dnfgy67iVY_PcRVn-pQ@look.ca...
>
> No one has anything to WORRY ABOUT AT ALL. Corel, like Jasc, has long been
> known for providing superb value for the money. With their efforts 
> combined,
> I belive Paint Shop Pro will only get better.
>
>
>
>
> "Kris Zaklika" <kzaklika@jasc.com> wrote in message
> news:416EC1F9.F5A6839@jasc.com...
>> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>> >
>> > All Things Mopar wrote:
>> > >
>> >
> http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Section/Press/Release
> &sid=1047022959204&cid=1047023901915
>> >
>> > Another one bites the dust. Adobe bought Cool Edit,
>> > Sony bought Video Factory, now Corel buys JASC. It
>> > always makes me sad, because the small, indepedent
>> > companies may have flaws, but their personnel are
>> > present and human, and their products reflect needs
>> > that actual individual users present in places like
>> > this newsgroup.
>> >
>> > If I'm gonna buy Corel, why not just buy Adobe? What's
>> > the difference now?
>>
>> Price and value for money. Jasc is still here and still
>> working in the same way as before. It's simply part of
>> Corel right now. The Paint Shop brand remains and the
>> Paint Shop Pro, Paint Shop Studio and Paint Shop Photo
>> Album products continue. The same people continue to
>> work on the same products.
>>
>> > Dennis
>
>
> 

Bob 4 wrote:
> 
> Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.

It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
of Corel.

> It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
> have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
> that Corel is now a Dell product.

Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
with various other vendors.

[snip]

Kris Zaklika wrote:
> Bob 4 wrote:
> 
>>Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
> 
> 
> It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
> Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
> of Corel.

You should never purchase software or services from investors:
http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/19211.html

> 
> 
>>It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>>have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>>that Corel is now a Dell product.
> 
> 
> Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
> Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
> concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
> with various other vendors.
> 

Kris Zaklika (kzaklika@jasc.com) writes:
> Bob 4 wrote:
>> 
>> Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
> 
> It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
> Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
> of Corel.
> 
>> It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>> have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>> that Corel is now a Dell product.
> 
> Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
> Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
> concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
> with various other vendors.
> 
> [snip]


They also have or had agreements with HP.  My current computer came with a
30-day trial version of Word Perfect 11.  Surely this means Ms. Fiorina
has secret cash in Corel as well. 

Brendan
--

Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:
> Kris Zaklika (kzaklika@jasc.com) writes:
> 
>>Bob 4 wrote:
>>
>>>Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
>>
>>It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
>>Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
>>of Corel.
>>
>>
>>>It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>>>have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>>>that Corel is now a Dell product.
>>
>>Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
>>Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
>>concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
>>with various other vendors.
>>
>>[snip]
> 
> 
> 
> They also have or had agreements with HP.  My current computer came with a
> 30-day trial version of Word Perfect 11.

Who knows, maybe we'll get spell checking in the next version of Paint 
Shop Pro! <bg>

:-)

Uni

Uni wrote:
> Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:
> 
>> Kris Zaklika (kzaklika@jasc.com) writes:
>>
>>> Bob 4 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
>>> Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
>>> of Corel.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>>>> have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>>>> that Corel is now a Dell product.
>>>
>>>
>>> Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
>>> Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
>>> concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
>>> with various other vendors.
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> They also have or had agreements with HP.  My current computer came 
>> with a
>> 30-day trial version of Word Perfect 11.
> 

Whoa, wait a second, Brendan. You mean you DON'T get a registered 
version of Corel software on computers, but trialware?

Uni

Kris Zaklika wrote:
> Bob 4 wrote:
>>
>> Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
>
> It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
> Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
> of Corel.
>
>> It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>> have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>> that Corel is now a Dell product.
>
> Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
> Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
> concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
> with various other vendors.
>
> [snip]


Kris, my take on this matter is simple.  I'm satisfied with the product I 
paid for and received.
I started with PSP 5, and so far each new one has been better.
IF the quality goes down I may not Upgrade again, but I will wait and see 
what happens,
no matter who owns it.

It'd be stupid to jump off any bridges before you come to them.



-- 
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good with Tabasco.


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Gort wrote:
> Kris Zaklika wrote:
> 
>>Bob 4 wrote:
>>
>>>Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
>>
>>It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
>>Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
>>of Corel.
>>
>>
>>>It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>>>have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>>>that Corel is now a Dell product.
>>
>>Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
>>Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
>>concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
>>with various other vendors.
>>
>>[snip]
> 
> 
> 
> Kris, my take on this matter is simple.


Don't mind Kris. He's been a bit edgy since the Corel takeover of Jasc <bg>

:-)

Uni

Uni (no.email@no.email.invalid) writes:
> Uni wrote:
>> Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:
>> 
>>> Kris Zaklika (kzaklika@jasc.com) writes:
>>>
>>>> Bob 4 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
>>>> Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
>>>> of Corel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>>>>> have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>>>>> that Corel is now a Dell product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
>>>> Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
>>>> concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
>>>> with various other vendors.
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They also have or had agreements with HP.  My current computer came 
>>> with a
>>> 30-day trial version of Word Perfect 11.
>> 
> 
> Whoa, wait a second, Brendan. You mean you DON'T get a registered 
> version of Corel software on computers, but trialware?
> 
> Uni
> 


Not on the one I bought.  Which computers include a registered version of PS?

Brendan
--

Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:
> Uni (no.email@no.email.invalid) writes:
> 
>>Uni wrote:
>>
>>>Brendan R. Wehrung wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kris Zaklika (kzaklika@jasc.com) writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Bob 4 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Corel itself was just bought by a hidden banker.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not owned by a hidden banker. It is owned by Vector
>>>>>Capital and a member of Vector Capital is interim CEO
>>>>>of Corel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's not the Corel of old, and I think the way they
>>>>>>have positioned PSP is great.     I'm very suspicious
>>>>>>that Corel is now a Dell product.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Corel is not owned by Dell and is not a "Dell product".
>>>>>Corel, like the former Jasc, has agreements with Dell
>>>>>concerning product distribution. Corel also has agreements
>>>>>with various other vendors.
>>>>>
>>>>>[snip]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They also have or had agreements with HP.  My current computer came 
>>>>with a
>>>>30-day trial version of Word Perfect 11.
>>>
>>Whoa, wait a second, Brendan. You mean you DON'T get a registered 
>>version of Corel software on computers, but trialware?
>>
>>Uni
>>
> 
> 
> 
> Not on the one I bought.

You said "My current computer came with a 30-day trial version of Word 
Perfect 11."


 > Which computers include a registered version of PS?

None that I know of.

Uni


> 
> Brendan
> --

> >>> Newsflash, Sally works full time job, that in addition
> >>> to the books she has authored, not to mention the
> >>> classes she writes and teaches!!
>
> >> Are you her sockpuppet?
>
> > And who's sockpuppet are YOU?
>
> > asdf@asdf.asdf - my, I don't believe you've contributed
> > anything memorable AT ALL to this newsgroup... ever.
>
> Haha. You mean she doesn't roam the newsgroups looking for
> other people's expertise to put in little simpleton books
> with your name on them? You are SO funny. No surprise it
> took you a week to respond to the Corel takeover. You were
> networking like crazy to get a piece of the new pie.
>
> > So now's just as good a time to plonk you as any.
>
> That's right, let your Medusa gang have a go at her and keep
> your pudgy hands clean so that the dollars will continue to
> land in them.


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