Hello all
             I recently took a few pics, using my digital camera, to make a
panorama. I have PSP 7.04
All seemed to be going well until I noticed that whenever I lined up the
horizon ok, objects in the foreground weren`t lining up correctly. I was
taking the photos by hand, and I suspect my problem might stem from
preventing the camera from tilting a little between pics. Or am I missing
something obvious? :) Another question, and again I`m probably missing
something obvious, but is it possible to position the cursor, or draw a line
for example, by inputing co-ordinates when using the ruler grid?
 Thanks in anticipation
     Gerry


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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:33:13 GMT, "Fred Hiltz" <not@home.ca> wrote:

>"JoAnn" <jowhitaker@verizonmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Gerry" <majella@NO.THANKS.blueyonderr.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:7HlWa.1948$OO1.304@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Hello all
>>>              I recently took a few pics, using my digital
>>> camera, to make a panorama. I have PSP 7.04
>>> All seemed to be going well until I noticed that whenever I
>>> lined up the horizon ok, objects in the foreground weren`t
>>> lining up correctly. I was taking the photos by hand, and I
>>> suspect my problem might stem from preventing the camera from
>>> tilting a little between pics. Or am I missing something
>>> obvious? :) Another question, and again I`m probably missing
>>> something obvious, but is it possible to position the cursor, or
>>>  draw a line for example, by inputing co-ordinates when using
>>>      the ruler grid? Thanks in anticipation Gerry
>>
>> Try Panorama Factory v1.6
>> http://www.panoramafactory.com/index.html
>> Go to the Download section, then scroll down near the bottom of
>> the page for the freebie version.  It will correct the distortion
>> problem for you.  The free version doesn't have all the bells and
>> whistles of the paid version, but most folks don't need them
>> anyway.
>>
>> I don't recall any place to 'input' co-ordinates for the line
>> tool, but if you watch down in the lower right corner of your
>> screen, you'll see cursor co-ordinates displayed there as you
>> move your mouse over your image.  Not sure if that will help, but
>> maybe someone else will come along with a better way.  I no
>> longer have v7.04 on my system to look into it, sorry.
>
>Also, the misaligned foreground objects are due to the slightly different
>position of the camera for the two exposures, as when you move your head to look
>beyond a foreground object. No program can correct that, but if it's a simple
>case you might be able to use the eraser tool.
>
>To prevent the problem, use a tripod with a pan head that positions its center
>of rotation at the camera's focal point. Or avoid panoramas with foreground
>objects (my favorite solution).


Not true.  That's one of the things that Panorama Factory is made for.
If you plan on doing many Pans, it is worth getting the paid version.

Jack
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"Gerry" <majella@NO.THANKS.blueyonderr.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hello all
>              I recently took a few pics, using my digital camera, to make
a
> panorama. I have PSP 7.04
> All seemed to be going well until I noticed that whenever I lined up the
> horizon ok, objects in the foreground weren`t lining up correctly. I was
> taking the photos by hand, and I suspect my problem might stem from
> preventing the camera from tilting a little between pics. Or am I missing
> something obvious? :) Another question, and again I`m probably missing
> something obvious, but is it possible to position the cursor, or draw a
line
> for example, by inputing co-ordinates when using the ruler grid?
>  Thanks in anticipation
>      Gerry
>
Ifyou happen to change the zoom factor between shots, that can mess things
up pretty well.  Often, you can compensate by expanding or contracting a
picture vertically.

The Panorama Factory is fantastic, but you can do a whole lot in PSP, even
in 7.04.
Use the deformation tool in combination with Shift and/or Control. If you
don't want the whole layer to get deformed, you can make a floating
selection and use the Deform tool only on that. It takes a bit of practice
but that how I did it before I bought The Panorama Factory. I have V3.0 now,
the speed has increased spectaculary. It's certainly worth a try.

Kiri

"Gerry" <majella@NO.THANKS.blueyonderr.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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> Hello all
>              I recently took a few pics, using my digital camera, to make
a
> panorama. I have PSP 7.04
> All seemed to be going well until I noticed that whenever I lined up the
> horizon ok, objects in the foreground weren`t lining up correctly. I was
> taking the photos by hand, and I suspect my problem might stem from
> preventing the camera from tilting a little between pics. Or am I missing
> something obvious? :) Another question, and again I`m probably missing
> something obvious, but is it possible to position the cursor, or draw a
line
> for example, by inputing co-ordinates when using the ruler grid?
>  Thanks in anticipation
>      Gerry
>
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"Jack Forbes" <hijack@fidnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:33:13 GMT, "Fred Hiltz" <not@home.ca>
> wrote:
>>> "Gerry" <majella@NO.THANKS.blueyonderr.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:7HlWa.1948$OO1.304@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> Hello all
>>>>              I recently took a few pics, using my digital
>>>> camera, to make a panorama. I have PSP 7.04
>>>> All seemed to be going well until I noticed that whenever I
>>>> lined up the horizon ok, objects in the foreground weren`t
>>>> lining up correctly. I was taking the photos by hand[snip]
>>
>> The misaligned foreground objects are due to the slightly
>> different position of the camera for the two exposures, as when
>> you move your head to look beyond a foreground object. No
>> program can correct that, but if it's a simple case you might be
>> able to use the eraser tool.
>>
>> To prevent the problem, use a tripod with a pan head that
>> positions its center of rotation at the camera's focal point. Or
>> avoid panoramas with foreground objects (my favorite solution).
>
> Not true.  That's one of the things that Panorama Factory is made
> for. If you plan on doing many Pans, it is worth getting the paid
> version.

"Parallax" is the word I should have used, and "nodal point" in place of "focal
point." Gerry, you should try Panorama Factory and decide for yourself. I based
my statement on my own experience and later found some expert advice:

Panorama Factory's FAQ says at
http://www.panoramafactory.com/discus/messages/10/238.html

"In any case, the camera should be held level, both side to side and front to
back. It should rotate around the front nodal point of the lens and should
rotate in a level plane.

"The best way to meet these requirements is to use a tripod with leveling
indicators and use a panoramic bracket to align the lens's front nodal point.
For more information about panoramic photography technique, see Panoramic
Photography Technique at panoguide.com. "

They show some good hand-held examples that avoid foreground objects.

Panoguide says at http://www.panoguide.com/technique/setup_panohead.html

"Why do I need a panoramic head?
The purpose of a panoramic head is to allow you to accurately position your
camera so that when you turn it you are turning it about one of the nodal points
of your lens. By rotating the camera around a nodal point of the lens, you avoid
parallax. Put briefly, parallax causes adjacent pictures to differ in ways that
prevents them from being stitched perfectly and can cause ghosting, blurring, or
even prevent stitching software from being able to work out where to position
the pictures to be able to stitch them together."

Enjoy your pans!
-- 
Fred Hiltz,  fhiltz at yahoo dot com

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:33:13 GMT, "Fred Hiltz" <not@home.ca> wrote:

>No program can correct that, but if it's a simple
>case you might be able to use the eraser tool.

Programs like Panorama factory do indeed correct that.  You need to
provide an overlap from one photo to the next, usually aobut 50%.  The
software then compares the overlap area on adjacent images and
interpolates an intermediate image for that area.

>To prevent the problem, use a tripod with a pan head that positions its center
>of rotation at the camera's focal point. Or avoid panoramas with foreground
>objects (my favorite solution).

That will help lessen it but the perspective distortion inherent in
any lens will prevent you from totally eliminating it. 

Ron

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Can't this job, also be done using the new mesh, or distortions tools.

Ron Lacey wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:33:13 GMT, "Fred Hiltz" <not@home.ca> wrote:
> 
> >No program can correct that, but if it's a simple
> >case you might be able to use the eraser tool.
> 
> Programs like Panorama factory do indeed correct that.  You need to
> provide an overlap from one photo to the next, usually aobut 50%.  The
> software then compares the overlap area on adjacent images and
> interpolates an intermediate image for that area.
> 
> >To prevent the problem, use a tripod with a pan head that positions its center
> >of rotation at the camera's focal point. Or avoid panoramas with foreground
> >objects (my favorite solution).
> 
> That will help lessen it but the perspective distortion inherent in
> any lens will prevent you from totally eliminating it.
> 
> Ron
> 
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>                        Ron Lacey
>                ron at ronstoons dot com
>               http://www.ronanddave.com
>                 http://ronstoons.com/
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:55:04 GMT, fugitive
<"gregfarr,kill_trolls"@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Can't this job, also be done using the new mesh, or distortions tools.

I suppose if you had oodles of time to waste, the perspective tool
might be better but why use a hammer to tighten a bolt?  Pick the
right tool for the job.

Ron

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Ron Lacey wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:55:04 GMT, fugitive
> <"gregfarr,kill_trolls"@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Can't this job, also be done using the new mesh, or distortions tools.
> 
> 
> I suppose if you had oodles of time to waste, the perspective tool
> might be better but why use a hammer to tighten a bolt?  Pick the
> right tool for the job.

That's why I pick Adobe software as my quality tool!!!!

:-)

Uni


> 
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> 
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"Xalinai" <xalinai@xalinai.de> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:55:04 GMT, fugitive
> <"gregfarr,kill_trolls"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Can't this job, also be done using the new mesh, or distortions tools.
>
> Yes - but to align and correct  the 20+ pictures needed for a 360
> degree pan you'll fiddle around for days.
>
> What you can do (if you didn't use a tripod or if the f*** tripod
> wansn't level) is to use the straightening tool and then crop each
> image a little  - it will result in bigger usable area in the
> panorama.

That will probably fix the geometry fine, but what about that wedge of tone
and illumination change across the image left to right?
How do you deal with that?

The tripod should have a spirit level on a good quality pan head.
Over lap a little at each join.

Gary Peach