Hello everyone,

I have finally figured out the sequence needed to officially
post the FAQ list to these two groups.

The procedure is to cross post them to 5 groups:
  alt.lang.asm,comp.lang.asm.x86,alt.answers,comp.answers,news.answers
First getting an approval notice from the MIT news server.

Unfortunately, my ISP has a cross posting limit of 4 groups
instead of the 5 needed.  Therefore, I have posted to the
three *.answer groups as one cross post message set, and then
the other two (these two) groups as the second set.  For
a total of 12 cross post messages.

Unfortunately, my ISP has a total cross post limit of 8 messages
a day.  (Well not exactly, there is a formula they use).

Therefore, the first two parts of the FAQ list have been posted
yesterday, while the remaining four parts will post as soon
as the clax moderators approve them.

Hopefully, in the future, I will post the 6 messages to
the *.answers groups one day, then post the other 6 to these
two groups the next day.  The MIT news server has yet to
produce their postings.

I have noticed that there is an automated posting on the first
of the month (or James posts it) to the clax group explaining
where the FAQ are located.  Do we still want this message to
continue to be posted or shall we discontinue this message?
Either way is fine for me.

Thanks to everyone for their patience while I have been getting
this in order.  Once I have done so, the FAQ postings should be
around the 21st of each month.  With this in mind, they may
be posted twice this month.

Thanks,
Ben

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"Benjamin David Lunt" <zfysz@fysnet.net> wrote in message 
news:XTfan.30175$_96.10019@newsfe02.iad...
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have finally figured out the sequence needed to officially
> post the FAQ list to these two groups.
>
> {confusing, convoluted steps snipped}

Who told you to do it this way??

> I have noticed that there is an automated posting on the first
> of the month (or James posts it) to the clax group explaining
> where the FAQ are located.  Do we still want this message to
> continue to be posted or shall we discontinue this message?
> Either way is fine for me.
>

It is an automated posting.

> Thanks to everyone for their patience while I have been getting
> this in order.  Once I have done so, the FAQ postings should be
> around the 21st of each month.  With this in mind, they may
> be posted twice this month.
>

You might want to add a section for 64-bit material.  I have some resource 
links here:  http://delicious.com/Evenbit/

Also,  you should update the last paragraph of Part I, section 3.1 to:

,---
If your ISP does not carry this newsgroup, you can send your post directly
to the email mentioned above using the following address:

comp-lang-asm-x86@moderators.isc.org

or

clax86-submit@inspiretomorrow.net
`---

Nathan.

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:38:42 -0000, Benjamin David Lunt <zfysz@fysnet.net=
> =20
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I have finally figured out the sequence needed to officially
> post the FAQ list to these two groups.

There have been no changes to the FAQ since 2004?



--=20
Nuns! Reverse!

Nathan Baker wrote:
> "Benjamin David Lunt" <zfysz@fysnet.net> wrote in message 
> news:XTfan.30175$_96.10019@newsfe02.iad...
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have finally figured out the sequence needed to officially
>> post the FAQ list to these two groups.
>>
>> {confusing, convoluted steps snipped}
> 
> Who told you to do it this way??

Well, there are more rules, it seems. Some, but not all, of Ben's FAQ 
posts are not being fully propagated. They don't make it to aioe, for 
example. I thought maybe we were doing something wrong, but couldn't see 
anything. Then I thought "maybe aioe has a size limit". Checked:

http://www.aioe.org/03.html

Sure enough, 32k. That explains that. Strangely, the same(?) messages 
that don't make it to aioe don't appear in a.l.a. either. Still puzzling 
over that one!

Best,
Frank

"Nathan Baker" <nathancbaker@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:hkceqt$odp$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> "Benjamin David Lunt" <zfysz@fysnet.net> wrote in message 
> news:XTfan.30175$_96.10019@newsfe02.iad...
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have finally figured out the sequence needed to officially
>> post the FAQ list to these two groups.
>>
>> {confusing, convoluted steps snipped}
>
> Who told you to do it this way??

The official FAQ rules at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/.
To get the FAQ's posted to the *.answers groups, I must
go through a process to be aproved.

Yes, I could simply post the FAQ list to the clax and ala
groups, but the official FAQ list would not be updated
on the faqs.org site.

>> I have noticed that there is an automated posting on the first
>> of the month (or James posts it) to the clax group explaining
>> where the FAQ are located.  Do we still want this message to
>> continue to be posted or shall we discontinue this message?
>> Either way is fine for me.
>>
>
> It is an automated posting.
>
>> Thanks to everyone for their patience while I have been getting
>> this in order.  Once I have done so, the FAQ postings should be
>> around the 21st of each month.  With this in mind, they may
>> be posted twice this month.
>>
>
> You might want to add a section for 64-bit material.  I have some resource 
> links here:  http://delicious.com/Evenbit/
>
> Also,  you should update the last paragraph of Part I, section 3.1 to:
>
> ,---
> If your ISP does not carry this newsgroup, you can send your post directly
> to the email mentioned above using the following address:
>
> comp-lang-asm-x86@moderators.isc.org
>
> or
>
> clax86-submit@inspiretomorrow.net
> `---

I have made the note, thank you.
Ben

"Esra Sdrawkcab" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in message 
news:op.u7kjksxchswpfo@dell3100...
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:38:42 -0000, Benjamin David Lunt <zfysz@fysnet.net>
wrote:

>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have finally figured out the sequence needed to officially
>> post the FAQ list to these two groups.

>There have been no changes to the FAQ since 2004?


Hence the reason for the post :-)  If everything goes as planned,
the FAQ list at www.faqs.org should be updated soon.  However,
they have yet to do so.

Ben

"Frank Kotler" <fbkotler@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message 
news:hkcq6d$8d3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> Well, there are more rules, it seems. Some, but not all, of Ben's FAQ 
> posts are not being fully propagated. They don't make it to aioe, for 
> example. I thought maybe we were doing something wrong, but couldn't see 
> anything. Then I thought "maybe aioe has a size limit". Checked:
>
> http://www.aioe.org/03.html
>
> Sure enough, 32k.

Hmm.  I guess we will start rejecting anything above 32k then.

> That explains that. Strangely, the same(?) messages that don't make it to 
> aioe don't appear in a.l.a. either. Still puzzling over that one!
>

Some servers are showing all of them in a.l.a though.

Nathan.

Nathan Baker wrote:
> "Frank Kotler" <fbkotler@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message 
> news:hkcq6d$8d3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Well, there are more rules, it seems. Some, but not all, of Ben's FAQ 
>> posts are not being fully propagated. They don't make it to aioe, for 
>> example. I thought maybe we were doing something wrong, but couldn't see 
>> anything. Then I thought "maybe aioe has a size limit". Checked:
>>
>> http://www.aioe.org/03.html
>>
>> Sure enough, 32k.
> 
> Hmm.  I guess we will start rejecting anything above 32k then.

Well, maybe not... Do we want to deprive all of our readership of the 
benefits of a legitimate post, because of the special restrictions of 
one free server? I imagine that other free and low cost servers (what? 
you got the *brass* package? only 32k for you!) may have similar 
restrictions (or others). Cancel the entire performance 'cause it can't 
be heard from the cheap seats?

Alternatives might be to ignore the fact that some servers will reject 
it. This has the advantage of being easy. We could split the message 
into <32k parts. What if some server crops up that has a 16k limit?

Besides the 32k limit, aioe has a "no html" rule. Back when Chuck passed 
away, there was an otherwise legitimate post in the queue in html. Chuck 
had told Jim to use his judgment on it. Jim asked me, and I agreed that 
it should be approved. I really dislike html in newsgroups, but I 
figured it's merely an annoyance, not cause to block communication. 
Perhaps we should be more strict about that?

>> That explains that. Strangely, the same(?) messages that don't make it to 
>> aioe don't appear in a.l.a. either. Still puzzling over that one!
>> 
> Some servers are showing all of them in a.l.a though.

Hmmmm. Well, yes... I'm checking a.l.a. with aioe. Duh!

Anyway, it's not something we're doing wrong, apparently.

Best,
Frank

Frank Kotler wrote:
> Nathan Baker wrote:
>>> Sure enough, 32k.
>>
>> Hmm. I guess we will start rejecting anything above 32k then.
>
> Well, maybe not... Do we want to deprive all of our readership of the
> benefits of a legitimate post, because of the special restrictions of
> one free server? I imagine that other free and low cost servers (what?
> you got the *brass* package? only 32k for you!) may have similar
> restrictions (or others). Cancel the entire performance 'cause it can't
> be heard from the cheap seats?

As long as there is no specific size limitations in the NNTP RFCs, we 
really shouldn't add them here!

It is the poster's responsibility to keep her posts valid, be it size or 
formatting, the clax robots should not do anything in this regard.

Terje

-- 
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"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"

I guess most of us have the option to suppress HTML in our news
reader.  Agent does and I find it quite acceptable to allow each user
to decide if they wish to display HTML or not.  Agent allows you to
block HTML, display the pain text portion, or do the full HTML
rendering as the user wishes.

On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:14:49 -0500, Frank Kotler
<fbkotler@myfairpoint.net> wrote:

>Nathan Baker wrote:
>> "Frank Kotler" <fbkotler@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message 
>> news:hkcq6d$8d3$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> Well, there are more rules, it seems. Some, but not all, of Ben's FAQ 
>>> posts are not being fully propagated. They don't make it to aioe, for 
>>> example. I thought maybe we were doing something wrong, but couldn't see 
>>> anything. Then I thought "maybe aioe has a size limit". Checked:
>>>
>>> http://www.aioe.org/03.html
>>>
>>> Sure enough, 32k.
>> 
>> Hmm.  I guess we will start rejecting anything above 32k then.
>
>Well, maybe not... Do we want to deprive all of our readership of the 
>benefits of a legitimate post, because of the special restrictions of 
>one free server? I imagine that other free and low cost servers (what? 
>you got the *brass* package? only 32k for you!) may have similar 
>restrictions (or others). Cancel the entire performance 'cause it can't 
>be heard from the cheap seats?
>
>Alternatives might be to ignore the fact that some servers will reject 
>it. This has the advantage of being easy. We could split the message 
>into <32k parts. What if some server crops up that has a 16k limit?
>
>Besides the 32k limit, aioe has a "no html" rule. Back when Chuck passed 
>away, there was an otherwise legitimate post in the queue in html. Chuck 
>had told Jim to use his judgment on it. Jim asked me, and I agreed that 
>it should be approved. I really dislike html in newsgroups, but I 
>figured it's merely an annoyance, not cause to block communication. 
>Perhaps we should be more strict about that?
>
>>> That explains that. Strangely, the same(?) messages that don't make it to 
>>> aioe don't appear in a.l.a. either. Still puzzling over that one!
>>> 
>> Some servers are showing all of them in a.l.a though.
>
>Hmmmm. Well, yes... I'm checking a.l.a. with aioe. Duh!
>
>Anyway, it's not something we're doing wrong, apparently.
>
>Best,
>Frank