[OT] where is the right NG in english?

Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" they use "benzene"... i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other say is vice versa... there is some study for say who is right? Where I can find the right NG for know something more? Thank you

"io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio news:502a2101$0$17944$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... > Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, > they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" > they use "benzene"... > > i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other > say is vice versa... > > there is some study for say who is right? > Where I can find the right NG for know something more? there is someone can point out the right NG? or if it not so difficult can answer in some way... > Thank you

"io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio news:502a21a7$0$17954$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... > > "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:502a2101$0$17944$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... >> Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, >> they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" >> they use "benzene"... >> >> i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other ^^^^^^ >> say is vice versa... i say "benzene" is worse than lead "piombo" but some other say it is vice versa... modulo grammatical errors, sintattical errors, wrong formed words errors logical error etc >> there is some study for say who is right? >> Where I can find the right NG for know something more? > > there is someone can point out the right NG? > or if it not so difficult can answer in some way... > >> Thank you > >

io_x wrote: > Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, > they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" > they use "benzene"... > > i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other > say is vice versa... > > there is some study for say who is right? > Where I can find the right NG for know something more? > Thank you The lead (actually tetraethyllead) in fuel didn't get replaced, just not added anymore. Well, partly, as lead was used for two purposes, as valve wear protection and as antiknock agent. For the latter purpose alternative additives are used (but I don't think it is "benzene", whatever that may be in English) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead for details. Whether there is an NG for discussing this I have no idea. Bye, Jojo

In article <k0den9$g75$1@online.de>, "Joachim Schmitz" <nospam.jojo@schmitz-digital.de> wrote: > io_x wrote: > > Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, > > they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" > > they use "benzene"... > > > > i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other > > say is vice versa... > > > > there is some study for say who is right? > > Where I can find the right NG for know something more? > > Thank you > > The lead (actually tetraethyllead) in fuel didn't get replaced, just not > added anymore. > Well, partly, as lead was used for two purposes, as valve wear protection > and as antiknock agent. > For the latter purpose alternative additives are used (but I don't think it > is "benzene", whatever that may be in English) Benzene is benzene, a six carbon (C6H6) ring. I would start looking in sci.* -- My name Indigo Montoya. | Die, Robbie Ferrier! Die! You flamed my father. | I'm whoever you want me to be. Prepare to be spanked. | Annoying Usenet one post at a time. Stop posting that! | At least I can stay in character.

On Aug 14, 1:01=A0pm, "Joachim Schmitz" <nospam.j...@schmitz-digital.de> wrote: > io_x wrote: > > Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, > > they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" > > they use "benzene"... > > > i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other > > say is vice versa... > > > there is some study for say who is right? > > Where I can find the right NG for know something more? > > Thank you > > The lead (actually tetraethyllead) in fuel didn't get replaced, just not > added anymore. > Well, partly, as lead was used for two purposes, as valve wear protection > and as antiknock agent. > For the latter purpose alternative additives are used (but I don't think = it > is "benzene", whatever that may be in English) > > Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethylleadfor details. > > Whether there is an NG for discussing this I have no idea. chemistry or physics I suppose. Try googling tetraethyllead. the english for "benzene" is "benzene" and it doesn';t sound a good ant-knock agent. I understand they reduced the amount of branching in the carbon chains. Ah. I googled apparently "aromatic" ("has carbon rings") compounds are used though benzene isn't mentioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiknock_agent then search for a chemistry or environment forum.

Il 14/08/2012 14:01, Joachim Schmitz ha scritto: > io_x wrote: >> Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, >> they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" >> they use "benzene"... >> >> i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other >> say is vice versa... >> >> there is some study for say who is right? >> Where I can find the right NG for know something more? >> Thank you > > The lead (actually tetraethyllead) in fuel didn't get replaced, just not > added anymore. > Well, partly, as lead was used for two purposes, as valve wear > protection and as antiknock agent. > For the latter purpose alternative additives are used (but I don't think > it is "benzene", whatever that may be in English) > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead for details. > > Whether there is an NG for discussing this I have no idea. I don't think it is a good idea to show how knowledgable you are about a topic started by a troll. I don't think it is a good idea to give him an answer at all. Please, don't feed him. It's been years since he started trolling the Usenet. I killed file him long time ago, but I still can read his name in this newsgroup :) -- Vincenzo Mercuri

On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:01:40 +0200, "Joachim Schmitz" <nospam.jojo@schmitz-digital.de> wrote: >io_x wrote: >> Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, >> they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" >> they use "benzene"... >> >> i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other >> say is vice versa... >> >> there is some study for say who is right? >> Where I can find the right NG for know something more? >> Thank you > >The lead (actually tetraethyllead) in fuel didn't get replaced, just not >added anymore. >Well, partly, as lead was used for two purposes, as valve wear protection >and as antiknock agent. >For the latter purpose alternative additives are used (but I don't think it >is "benzene", whatever that may be in English) > >See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead for details. > >Whether there is an NG for discussing this I have no idea. Benzene can be used as an anti-knock additive (and actually is a normal component of gasoline), but you need quite high concentrations (on the order of 20%) to match what you can do with TEL. I don't know of anyone who actual does that for general automotive use, however (AKAIK, most use TAME, ETBE, or MTBE, with the latter decline because of environmental issues). Benzene is fairly toxic in any event.

"Nick Keighley" <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:e09be643-b958-4dd1-abf4-daa46071f2f4@m3g2000vby.googlegroups.com... On Aug 14, 1:01 pm, "Joachim Schmitz" <nospam.j...@schmitz-digital.de> wrote: > io_x wrote: > > Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, > > they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" > > they use "benzene"... > > > i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other > > say is vice versa... > > > there is some study for say who is right? > > Where I can find the right NG for know something more? > > Thank you > > The lead (actually tetraethyllead) in fuel didn't get replaced, just not > added anymore. > Well, partly, as lead was used for two purposes, as valve wear protection > and as antiknock agent. > For the latter purpose alternative additives are used (but I don't think it > is "benzene", whatever that may be in English) > > Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethylleadfor details. > > Whether there is an NG for discussing this I have no idea. chemistry or physics I suppose. Try googling tetraethyllead. the english for "benzene" is "benzene" and it doesn';t sound a good ant-knock agent. I understand they reduced the amount of branching in the carbon chains. Ah. I googled apparently "aromatic" ("has carbon rings") compounds are used though benzene isn't mentioned. #here they speak about benzene in gasoline for cars # http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzina #the UE impose no lead in fuel in 2000 ... #i read in US they use "toluene" as Antiknock agent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiknock_agent #"antidetonanti" they say use benzene as antiknock agent #in the link http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzina then search for a chemistry or environment forum.

"io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio news:502a2101$0$17944$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it... > Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, > they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" > they use "benzene"... > > i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other > say is vice versa... > > there is some study for say who is right? > Where I can find the right NG for know something more? > Thank you MTBE and benzene seem out of US gasoline but in EU are ok as components

Nick Keighley wrote: > On Aug 14, 1:01 pm, "Joachim Schmitz" <nospam.j...@schmitz-digital.de> > wrote: >> io_x wrote: >>> Some years ago here in italy, in the gasoline for cars etc, >>> they make a change of ingredient, instead of lead [plumb]"piombo" >>> they use "benzene"... >> >>> i say "benzene" is worst than lead "piombo" but some other >>> say is vice versa... >> >>> there is some study for say who is right? >>> Where I can find the right NG for know something more? >>> Thank you >> >> The lead (actually tetraethyllead) in fuel didn't get replaced, just >> not added anymore. >> Well, partly, as lead was used for two purposes, as valve wear >> protection and as antiknock agent. >> For the latter purpose alternative additives are used (but I don't >> think it is "benzene", whatever that may be in English) >> >> Seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethylleadfor details. >> >> Whether there is an NG for discussing this I have no idea. > > chemistry or physics I suppose. Try googling tetraethyllead. > > the english for "benzene" is "benzene" and it doesn';t sound a good > ant-knock agent. I understand they reduced the amount of branching in > the carbon chains. Ah, Benzol in German.

io_x wrote: > there is someone can point out the right NG? Congressmen seem to know "right" from "left" pretty well (well, at least they know how to point their greasy little fingers in one direction). Maybe you should write your congressman?