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Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:

*  He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
freestanding environment, which completely undercuts 15 years of
saying that it's not standard C

*  He was forced to withdraw "C: the Complete Nonsense" because of
complaints, and not only from me, that it was about the wrong edition
of "C: the Complete Reference" and it has been for fifteen
years...that Seebach has, in effect, allowed it to be cited in both
wikipedia and a published book of C FAQs despite the fact that
Schildt's latest edition came out in 2000.

But when an infant like Seebach loses he throws a temper tantrum. He
hastily cobbled together a new polemic and changed the Herb Schildt
wikipedia article to reference, as its major reference, this new
polemic despite the fact that citing a polemic is in direct violation
of wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons policies.

claims that I'm a "net.kook" because that's what losers do.

Yet in a court of law he'd naturally be asked to reconcile these
statements:

"Edward G. Nilges is a Usenet Kook. An epic kook. He has an astounding
talent for getting things wrong, really beyond anything you're likely
to anticipate. It is a wonder and a miracle to behold."

* At http://www.seebs.net/c/c_tcn4e.html: "I must of course credit
Edward Nilges, whose tireless crusade against the deficiencies of the
previous version made it clear that a more complete treatment was
needed. "

Note that attorneys are like cops. Literal-minded and deaf to
sarcastic overtones as regards a written document.

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Reply spinoza1111 (3250) 4/20/2010 5:54:57 PM

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On Apr 20, 6:54=A0pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Edward G. Nilges is a Usenet Kook. An epic kook. He has an astounding
> talent for getting things wrong, really beyond anything you're likely
> to anticipate. It is a wonder and a miracle to behold."

I agree one hundred percent.

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Reply christian.bau1 (424) 4/20/2010 9:52:56 PM

On 2010-04-20, christian.bau <christian.bau@cbau.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 6:54�pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Edward G. Nilges is a Usenet Kook. An epic kook. He has an astounding
>> talent for getting things wrong, really beyond anything you're likely
>> to anticipate. It is a wonder and a miracle to behold."

> I agree one hundred percent.

I'd just like to clarify something for the folks in CLC:

I specifically wrote that, knowing that he searches for references to
himself, in the hopes that it would get him to come interact with me
somewhere where it's less of a disruption for the rest of you all.  With
any luck, he can be induced to spend time talking to people who care,
or who find him amusing, whichever comes first.

-s
--
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http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
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Reply usenet-nospam (2309) 4/20/2010 11:33:17 PM

Such quick Google work is a sign of the high level narcissism found
only in the finest of internet kooks.

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Reply rigorist (3) 4/21/2010 1:25:12 AM

spinoza1111 wrote:
> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
>
> *  He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
> freestanding environment,

I don't recall him ever denying it.

which completely undercuts 15 years of
> saying that it's not standard C
>
> *  He was forced to withdraw "C: the Complete Nonsense" because of
> complaints,

Wrong. It's still up. So is an updated version (the original has been
left for comparison). The updated version reads in part: "a careful
study of the 4th edition of Schildt's C: The Complete Reference reveals
that, while he may have fixed a few problems after being called on them,
he continues to be unwilling or unable to correctly explain many of the
basics of effective and correct C programming."

Hardly a withdrawal.

<nonsense snipped>

> Yet in a court of law he'd naturally be asked to reconcile these
> statements:
>
> "Edward G. Nilges is a Usenet Kook. An epic kook. He has an astounding
> talent for getting things wrong, really beyond anything you're likely
> to anticipate. It is a wonder and a miracle to behold."
>
> * At http://www.seebs.net/c/c_tcn4e.html: "I must of course credit
> Edward Nilges, whose tireless crusade against the deficiencies of the
> previous version made it clear that a more complete treatment was
> needed. "

A comparison of the two versions will show that, as a direct result of
previously been the case. You have, therefore, succeeded in increasing
the amount of criticism levelled at Schildt's works. If that was your
intent, you chose a very strange way of going about it.

> Note that attorneys are like cops. Literal-minded and deaf to
> sarcastic overtones as regards a written document.

But they are perfectly capable of reading the Usenet thread in which you
an idiot.

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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Reply rjh (10790) 4/21/2010 1:51:34 AM

On Apr 21, 7:33=A0am, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2010-04-20, christian.bau <christian....@cbau.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 6:54 pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "Edward G. Nilges is a Usenet Kook. An epic kook. He has an astounding
> >> talent for getting things wrong, really beyond anything you're likely
> >> to anticipate. It is a wonder and a miracle to behold."
> > I agree one hundred percent.
>
> I'd just like to clarify something for the folks in CLC:
>
> I specifically wrote that, knowing that he searches for references to
> himself, in the hopes that it would get him to come interact with me
> somewhere where it's less of a disruption for the rest of you all. =A0Wit=
h
> any luck, he can be induced to spend time talking to people who care,
> or who find him amusing, whichever comes first.

Actually, since over the past few months I've relearned C, I find it
more amusing to stay here and watch you and Keith Thompson turn away
genuine questions, claiming that the OP has come to the wrong place,
because you can't answer the question.

a competent C programmer will know enough YACC to see that his problem
was that his professor doesn't know how to implement operator
precedence in a formal grammar (another programmer with no computer
science?). I used yacc with C years ago and realized it was better to
write one's own generator (did so in Rexx) or write the parser
manually.

Kiki also tried to get rid of the OP whose call to odbc was pretty
obviously wrong.

As to doing us a favor: I don't believe you, based on your track
record. You like to ensure that a person's name is replicated and
becomes a byword, because you're incompetent as a programmer and this
in my experience how incompetent programmers flourish.
>
> -s
> --
> Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed. =A0Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@see=
bs.nethttp://www.seebs.net/log/<-- lawsuits, religion, and funny picturesht=
tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!


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Reply spinoza1111 (3250) 4/21/2010 2:00:05 AM

Richard Heathfield wrote:
> spinoza1111 wrote:
>> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
>>
>> *  He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
>> freestanding environment,
>
> I don't recall him ever denying it.

I need to rephrase that. I read the above too quickly.

void main is only "standard C in a freestanding environment" in the
sense that the Standard does not forbid void main in such an
environment. It is this fact (the lack of prohibition) which I don't
recall Seebs ever denying.

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
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Reply rjh (10790) 4/21/2010 2:03:39 AM

On 04/21/10 01:51 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> spinoza1111 wrote:
>
>> Note that attorneys are like cops. Literal-minded and deaf to
>> sarcastic overtones as regards a written document.
>
> But they are perfectly capable of reading the Usenet thread in which you
> carried out your crusade, and perfectly capable of deducing that you're
> an idiot.

They will then send you a hefty bill for discovering the blindingly obvious.

--
Ian Collins

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Reply ian-news (10155) 4/21/2010 2:11:42 AM

On 2010-04-21, Richard Heathfield <rjh@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
> spinoza1111 wrote:
>> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
>> *  He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
>> freestanding environment,

> I don't recall him ever denying it.

Indeed, I even defended Nilges on that point -- not that it's
relevant, because Schildt was unambiguously writing about a hosted
environment:

* He never refers to the distinction at all.
* He uses <stdio.h> functionality, which is only meaningful in a hosted
environment.
* He fixed the error in the 4th edition.

>> Yet in a court of law

Please.  My lawyer needs the lulz.

>> he'd naturally be asked to reconcile these
>> statements:

I do not share your optimism.  A lawyer dumb enough to ask a question
that stupid is, in terms of sheer lulz, beyond the dreams of avarice.

>> Note that attorneys are like cops. Literal-minded and deaf to
>> sarcastic overtones as regards a written document.

> But they are perfectly capable of reading the Usenet thread in which you
> carried out your crusade, and perfectly capable of deducing that you're
> an idiot.

Sure, but that statement is fractally wrong anyway.

1.  Lawyers often have a great sense of humor.
2.  Who cares whether attorneys get sarcasm?  Decisions are made
by judges and juries.
3.  Says a judge:

Despite the continued shortcomings of Plaintiff's supplemental
submission, the Court commends Plaintiff for his vastly improved
choice of crayon -- Brick Red is much easier on the eyes
than Goldenrod, and stands out much better amidst the mustard
splotched about Plaintiff's briefing. But at the end of the day, even
if you put a calico dress on it and call it Florence, a pig is still
a pig.
4.  It doesn't matter whether the judge, or any attorney, thinks it's
funny; at most, what would matter is whether *I* appeared to think it
was funny, and I do not believe I would have any trouble convincing
a jury of my peers that I have a, shall we say, broad-ranging sense
of humor.
5.  Imagine that all of the above don't apply, and I can't reconcile the
statements.  So what?

Seriously, though, Nilges, I waved your magic search terms around on that
forum in the hopes that you'd come over there and play.

-s
--
Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed.  Peter Seebach / usenet-nospam@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

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Reply usenet-nospam (2309) 4/21/2010 2:20:59 AM

Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> ...Seriously, though, Nilges, I waved your magic search
> terms around on that forum in the hopes that you'd come
> over there and play.

But you announced it in this forum, clearly not willing to
take his googling success for granted; leaving the door open
to continue the noise in clc.

--
Peter

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Ian Collins <ian-n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > spinoza1111 wrote:
> > > Note that attorneys are like cops. Literal-minded and
> > > deaf to sarcastic overtones as regards a written document.
> >
> > But they are perfectly capable of reading the Usenet thread
> > in which you carried out your crusade, and perfectly capable
> > of deducing that you're an idiot.
>
> They will then send you a hefty bill for discovering the
> blindingly obvious.

This incessant and habitual need to reaffirm opinions that
have been made many times over *years*, not just months, is
beyond tiresome. It is *no less* damaging to clc than the
troll's habitual reaffirmations of solidarity, since the
motivation and outcomes are the precisely the same.

--
Peter

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On 2010-04-21, Peter Nilsson <airia@acay.com.au> wrote:
> Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
>> ...Seriously, though, Nilges, I waved your magic search
>> terms around on that forum in the hopes that you'd come
>> over there and play.

> But you announced it in this forum, clearly not willing to
> take his googling success for granted; leaving the door open
> to continue the noise in clc.

I don't recall announcing it here.  I recall commenting on why I did
it in response to his post about it.  I also recall mentioning that I'd
rather play in another forum more suited to goofing off.  I don't recall
announcing that message board post here, though.

-s
--
Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed.  Peter Seebach / usenet-nospam@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

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On Apr 21, 10:20=A0am, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2010-04-21, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
>
> >spinoza1111wrote:
> >> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
> >> * =A0He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
> >> freestanding environment,
> > I don't recall him ever denying it.
>
> Indeed, I even defended Nilges on that point -- not that it's
> relevant, because Schildt was unambiguously writing about a hosted
> environment:
>
> * He never refers to the distinction at all.

His target audience doesn't need to know, since its entry-level.
Furthermore, the distinction was made for political reasons.

> * He uses <stdio.h> functionality, which is only meaningful in a hosted
> =A0 environment.

Your lack of education is showing, since you don't comprehend "modal"
logic. The Standard says that the freestanding environment does not
have to implement the libraries (which is a good thing since the
libraries suck and preserve bad habits from the dawn of time).
However, freestanding environments MAY support any or all C libraries.

"In a freestanding environment (in which C program execution may [but
doesn't have to] take place without any benefit of an operaring
system, the name and type of the function called at program startup
are implementation-defined. Any library facilities available to a
freestanding program, other than the minimal set required by clause 4,
are implementation-defined." 5.1.2.1

Therefore the implementation MAY define stdio.h.

In fact, this seems to have been K & R's intention: that the libraries
be modular and selected or changed as needed.

> * He fixed the error in the 4th edition.
>
> >> Yet in a court of law
>
> Please. =A0My lawyer needs the lulz.
>
> >> he'd naturally be asked to reconcile these
> >> statements:
>
> I do not share your optimism. =A0A lawyer dumb enough to ask a question
> that stupid is, in terms of sheer lulz, beyond the dreams of avarice.

Hmm, did you study law while shitcanning computer science? I've used a
legal process twice, and twice I have won, since lawyers tend to
prefer my more "verbose" (more literate) way of expressing myself.
>
> >> Note that attorneys are like cops. Literal-minded and deaf to
> >> sarcastic overtones as regards a written document.
> > But they are perfectly capable of reading the Usenet thread in which yo=
u
> > carried out your crusade, and perfectly capable of deducing that you're
> > an idiot.
>
> Sure, but that statement is fractally wrong anyway.
>
> 1. =A0Lawyers often have a great sense of humor.
> 2. =A0Who cares whether attorneys get sarcasm? =A0Decisions are made
> =A0 =A0 by judges and juries.

Most judges are lawyers and most cases never go to a jury trial. My
lawyer will demonstrate to you that you have committed a civil libel
of long duration in the matter of Schildt, and your lawyer will
settle, in all probability, if it comes to that.

> 3. =A0Says a judge:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Despite the continued shortcomings of Plaintiff's supplem=
ental
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 submission, the Court commends Plaintiff for his vastly i=
mproved
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 choice of crayon -- Brick Red is much easier on the eyes
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 than Goldenrod, and stands out much better amidst the mus=
tard
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 splotched about Plaintiff's briefing. But at the end of t=
he day, even
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 if you put a calico dress on it and call it Florence, a p=
ig is still
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 a pig.
> 4. =A0It doesn't matter whether the judge, or any attorney, thinks it's
> =A0 =A0 funny; at most, what would matter is whether *I* appeared to thin=
k it
> =A0 =A0 was funny, and I do not believe I would have any trouble convinci=
ng
> =A0 =A0 a jury of my peers that I have a, shall we say, broad-ranging sen=
se
> =A0 =A0 of humor.
> 5. =A0Imagine that all of the above don't apply, and I can't reconcile th=
e
> =A0 =A0 statements. =A0So what?
>
> Seriously, though, Nilges, I waved your magic search terms around on that
> forum in the hopes that you'd come over there and play.

Fuck you, asshole. And grow up.
>
> -s
> --
> Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed. =A0Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@see=
bs.nethttp://www.seebs.net/log/<-- lawsuits, religion, and funny picturesht=
tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!


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spinoza1111 wrote:
> On Apr 21, 10:20 am, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
>> On 2010-04-21, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> spinoza1111wrote:
>>>> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
>>>> *  He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
>>>> freestanding environment,
>>> I don't recall him ever denying it.
>> Indeed, I even defended Nilges on that point -- not that it's
>> relevant, because Schildt was unambiguously writing about a hosted
>> environment:
>>
>> * He never refers to the distinction at all.
>
> His target audience doesn't need to know, since its entry-level.

Seebs was right - "fractally wrong" is a very good way to describe you.
Here's a quote from the book's preface:

"This C reference is designed for all C programmers, regardless of their
experience level."

Or are you claiming that this quote is yet another example of a Schildt
error?

<nonsense snipped>

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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On Apr 21, 12:42=A0pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
> spinoza1111 wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 10:20 am, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> >> On 2010-04-21, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>> spinoza1111wrote:
> >>>> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
> >>>> * =A0He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
> >>>> freestanding environment,
> >>> I don't recall him ever denying it.
> >> Indeed, I even defended Nilges on that point -- not that it's
> >> relevant, because Schildt was unambiguously writing about a hosted
> >> environment:
>
> >> * He never refers to the distinction at all.
>
> > His target audience doesn't need to know, since its entry-level.
>
> Seebs was right - "fractally wrong" is a very good way to describe you.
> Here's a quote from the book's preface:
>
> "This C reference is designed for all C programmers, regardless of their
> experience level."
>
> Or are you claiming that this quote is yet another example of a Schildt
> error?

can be a complete beginner; it emphasizes that the book is entry level
while it can be used by more experienced people.

Again, your lack of education means that you're effectively unaware of
the modal distinction between "must" and "may". Technical education
for the lower middle class, in my experience, tends to occlude this
distinction, transforming half of all "mays" into "musts" and the
other 50% into "must not" since it's assumed (often rightfully) that
low level white collar people are indisciplined deep down, their
surface repression only increasing the internal chaos.

In fact, Herb's books might be good for you. You should zip up and
test each code snippet step by step.
>
> <nonsense snipped>
>
> --
> Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
> Email: -http://www. +rjh@
> "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
> Sig line vacant - apply within


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spinoza1111 wrote:
> On Apr 21, 12:42 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
>> spinoza1111 wrote:
>>> On Apr 21, 10:20 am, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2010-04-21, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> spinoza1111wrote:
>>>>>> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
>>>>>> *  He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
>>>>>> freestanding environment,
>>>>> I don't recall him ever denying it.
>>>> Indeed, I even defended Nilges on that point -- not that it's
>>>> relevant, because Schildt was unambiguously writing about a hosted
>>>> environment:
>>>> * He never refers to the distinction at all.
>>> His target audience doesn't need to know, since its entry-level.
>> Seebs was right - "fractally wrong" is a very good way to describe you.
>> Here's a quote from the book's preface:
>>
>> "This C reference is designed for all C programmers, regardless of their
>> experience level."
>>
>> Or are you claiming that this quote is yet another example of a Schildt
>> error?
>
> Learn to read. "Regardless of your experience level" means that you
> can be a complete beginner; it emphasizes that the book is entry level
> while it can be used by more experienced people.

Learn to read. It claims to be a *complete reference*. The phrase gives
no scope for omissions for the sake of the less experienced reader.

<nonsense snipped>

> In fact, Herb's books might be good for you.

Well, it's a kind thought, but I prefer Calvin and Hobbes.

> You should zip up and
> test each code snippet step by step.

Let's get this straight - you want me to point out *even more* of
Schildt's errors?

--
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
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On Apr 21, 4:01=A0pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
> spinoza1111 wrote:
> > On Apr 21, 12:42 pm, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
> >> spinoza1111 wrote:
> >>> On Apr 21, 10:20 am, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 2010-04-21, Richard Heathfield <r...@see.sig.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>> spinoza1111wrote:
> >>>>>> Seebach has lost the argument on two major points this past week:
> >>>>>> * =A0He was forced to concede that void main() is standard C in a
> >>>>>> freestanding environment,
> >>>>> I don't recall him ever denying it.
> >>>> Indeed, I even defended Nilges on that point -- not that it's
> >>>> relevant, because Schildt was unambiguously writing about a hosted
> >>>> environment:
> >>>> * He never refers to the distinction at all.
> >>> His target audience doesn't need to know, since its entry-level.
> >> Seebs was right - "fractally wrong" is a very good way to describe you=
..
> >> Here's a quote from the book's preface:
>
> >> "This C reference is designed for all C programmers, regardless of the=
ir
> >> experience level."
>
> >> Or are you claiming that this quote is yet another example of a Schild=
t
> >> error?
>
> > Learn to read. "Regardless of your experience level" means that you
> > can be a complete beginner; it emphasizes that the book is entry level
> > while it can be used by more experienced people.
>
> Learn to read. It claims to be a *complete reference*. The phrase gives
> no scope for omissions for the sake of the less experienced reader.
>
> <nonsense snipped>
>
> > In fact, Herb's books might be good for you.
>
> Well, it's a kind thought, but I prefer Calvin and Hobbes.
>
> > You should zip up and
> > test each code snippet step by step.
>
> Let's get this straight - you want me to point out *even more* of
> Schildt's errors?

No, because your track record is so poor. We have established that
while you and your friends find errors in Schildt's books, you dredge
up so much trivia and shibboleth that one has to root through your
laundry lists for anything of value. A more productive use of our time
would be the same way we read, say, Johnson's Dictionary: critical
reading, that takes responsibility for finding Samuel Johnson's errors
whilst learning from them.

It is more valuable for the tyro to test Schildt's code snippets.
Unless you can find one that executes a command to erase a hard disk,
the testing is safe and fun and any errors found give the sufficiently
motivated tyro that energy which comes from the creation or
reconstruction of knowledge.

You make significant errors in finding errors, the most infamous being
mockery to the sum total of confusion and actual unhappiness in this
world.
>
> --
> Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
> Email: -http://www. +rjh@
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On Apr 21, 2:40=A0pm, spinoza1111 <spinoza1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

To make something clear right from the beginning:
I am not an expert in C programming and I don't consider myself to be
one.

programming by following the topics under discussion, which I have.
However, this process has basically come to an end since an average of
3 out of the 5 most discussed topics of the day (sometimes all 5) are
concerned with spinoza111 vs Seebs vs "The author of a book who has
never appeared himself in this group (at least since I follow it)" and
others who join in.

To make it short: THIS SUCKS!

Though I have no doubt that the programming skills as well as the
knowledge concerning English law of spinoza111 exceed mine by far IT
STILL SUCKS. Why don't you just open another group and move your
discussions, which are almost purely motivated from personal
reluctance to this group. Like this, the group comp.lang.c could deal
again with things the group name indicates.

A second thing...
Why does anyone answer to spinoza111? Don't you think you feed his
anger (or whatever) with every answer. Ignore him! Like this he will
not appear in the digest and most people will not even notice his
posts! After a couple of weeks even he will get tired (okok in (t)his
special case it might take longer but at least it will not be fun
anymore if nobody bothers to answer)

PS:
To be consistent, don't answer my post!


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On 4/21/2010 1:46 AM, spinoza1111 wrote:
> On Apr 21, 12:42 pm, Richard Heathfield<r...@see.sig.invalid>  wrote:
>> spinoza1111 wrote:
>>> On Apr 21, 10:20 am, Seebs<usenet-nos...@seebs.net>  wrote:
[...]
>>>> * He never refers to the distinction at all.
>>
>>> His target audience doesn't need to know, since its entry-level.
>>
>> Seebs was right - "fractally wrong" is a very good way to describe you.
>> Here's a quote from the book's preface:
>>
>> "This C reference is designed for all C programmers, regardless of their
>> experience level."
>>
>> Or are you claiming that this quote is yet another example of a Schildt
>> error?
>
> Learn to read. "Regardless of your experience level" means that you
> can be a complete beginner; it emphasizes that the book is entry level
> while it can be used by more experienced people.

I take "regardless of your experience level" to mean there is something for
everyone, and that includes things that are beyond the comprehension of
beginners.  I would hardly expect something whose "target audience" is
"entry-level" to contain anything being entry-level stuff.  I would hardly
expect to see "this book is designed for all readers, regardless of their
reading level" to be found in a "Dick and Jane" book.

[...]

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Kenneth Brody

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spinoza1111 wrote:

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>>
>>> You should zip up and
>>> test each code snippet step by step.
>> Let's get this straight - you want me to point out *even more* of
>> Schildt's errors?
>
> No, because your track record is so poor.

Better than yours - I don't recall your posting even one yet. Perhaps
this is because you don't actually have a copy of the book?

<nonsense snipped>

> It is more valuable for the tyro to test Schildt's code snippets.
> Unless you can find one that executes a command to erase a hard disk,

Any of the many that use gets() could certainly do that under certain
circumstances.

<nonsense snipped>

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