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In article <1120963701.862698.160260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Throne Software <mail@thronesoftware.com> writes
>Throne Software has opened up C, C++ and C# Forums at:
>
>http://www.thronesoftware.com/forum/
>
>Join us!

Why?

The beauty of news groups is that they come to me I don't  have to go to
them. Also all the people who have been around a while know what they
are doing and are here.

I noticed that there are some C and C++ Forums on another system. Full
of the blind (opinionated) leading the blind. 

The problem is that as the experienced people who have been around a
long while are on usenet. the system works. Why move. Certainly not to a
forum on a commercial web site.  The web site might go down. Usenet
can't. Web based systems are not as safe. I have to trust you about
cookies and all sorts. (active X etc). 

Usenet is international and independent. It is not controlled by anyone.
Why would anyone move from this system to a web based one in a a rogue
state?

There is no point in running a web based forum except as a support forum
for your own products. 

-- 
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org      www.phaedsys.org \/\/\
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chris32 (3361)
7/10/2005 9:12:59 AM

Chris Hills wrote:
> In article <1120963701.862698.160260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Throne Software <mail@thronesoftware.com> writes
> >Throne Software has opened up C, C++ and C# Forums at:
> >
> >http://www.thronesoftware.com/forum/
> >
> >Join us!
>
> Why?
>
> The beauty of news groups is that they come to me I don't  have to go to
> them. Also all the people who have been around a while know what they
> are doing and are here.
>
> I noticed that there are some C and C++ Forums on another system. Full
> of the blind (opinionated) leading the blind.
>
> The problem is that as the experienced people who have been around a
> long while are on usenet. the system works. Why move. Certainly not to a
> forum on a commercial web site.  The web site might go down. Usenet
> can't. Web based systems are not as safe. I have to trust you about
> cookies and all sorts. (active X etc).
>
> Usenet is international and independent. It is not controlled by anyone.
> Why would anyone move from this system to a web based one in a a rogue
> state?
>
> There is no point in running a web based forum except as a support forum
> for your own products.

The two main things I despise about newsgroups are the topic police and
some of the ill mannered participants that spoil it for everyone.
One good reason to use a web base forum VS newsgroup is that you don't
have so many topic police in forums like you do in newsgroups.  And in
forums, members usually behave like they have some manners.

If I want to know how to do XYZ in C language, I don't want to talk
to a general programmer who specializes in XYZ.  I personally prefer to
talk to a C expert who knows how to do XYZ.

I think web base forums do a good job in allowing users to ask a
variety of questions that only require a loose relationship with the
topic forum.

I've been programming for over 15 years, and I rarely visit the
usenet.  Most of the experts I know do not participate in the usenet.
I place a higher value on advise coming from a good forum like
experts-exchange.com or CodeGuru.com, over the advise from a newsgroup.
It's much easier to measure a members expertise on either of the
above two forums, then it is to measure a newsgroups user's
expertise.

I recommend you try these forums out, before making an uninformed
conclusion.

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temp (103)
7/12/2005 5:41:06 AM
In article <1121146866.649361.45670@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Axter
<temp@axter.com> writes
>
>
>Chris Hills wrote:
>> In article <1120963701.862698.160260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>> Throne Software <mail@thronesoftware.com> writes
>> >Throne Software has opened up C, C++ and C# Forums at:
>> >
>> >http://www.thronesoftware.com/forum/
>> >
>> >Join us!
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> The beauty of news groups is that they come to me I don't  have to go to
>> them. Also all the people who have been around a while know what they
>> are doing and are here.
>>
>> I noticed that there are some C and C++ Forums on another system. Full
>> of the blind (opinionated) leading the blind.
>>
>> The problem is that as the experienced people who have been around a
>> long while are on usenet. the system works. Why move. Certainly not to a
>> forum on a commercial web site.  The web site might go down. Usenet
>> can't. Web based systems are not as safe. I have to trust you about
>> cookies and all sorts. (active X etc).
>>
>> Usenet is international and independent. It is not controlled by anyone.
>> Why would anyone move from this system to a web based one in a a rogue
>> state?
>>
>> There is no point in running a web based forum except as a support forum
>> for your own products.
>
>The two main things I despise about newsgroups are the topic police and
>some of the ill mannered participants that spoil it for everyone.
>One good reason to use a web base forum VS newsgroup is that you don't
>have so many topic police in forums like you do in newsgroups.  And in
>forums, members usually behave like they have some manners.

I think that is marginally true.  the problem with NG's is trolls and
cross posting.

>If I want to know how to do XYZ in C language, I don't want to talk
>to a general programmer who specializes in XYZ.  I personally prefer to
>talk to a C expert who knows how to do XYZ.

Then use this or the standard.c NG  

>I think web base forums do a good job in allowing users to ask a
>variety of questions that only require a loose relationship with the
>topic forum.

How is that different to a NG? 

>I've been programming for over 15 years, and I rarely visit the
>usenet.  

I have been programming 20 years and on the net for 15. (fido before
that :-)

>Most of the experts I know do not participate in the usenet.

As a member of several ISO panels (C and C++) I think you wil find that
most are on usenet. It is where they started long before web forums came
about. 

That is the point, most of the experts were on usenet before the web
based stuff was around. There are lots of these web based forum that
have cropped up. Some that specialise in a particular product are quite
good but on the whole they are not as good as the NG.

>I place a higher value on advise coming from a good forum like
>experts-exchange.com or CodeGuru.com, over the advise from a newsgroup.
>It's much easier to measure a members expertise on either of the
>above two forums, then it is to measure a newsgroups user's
>expertise.

How?

>I recommend you try these forums out, before making an uninformed
>conclusion.

I have seen them hence my conclusion. 

-- 
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills  Staffs  England     /\/\/\/\/
/\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org      www.phaedsys.org \/\/\
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/



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chris32 (3361)
7/12/2005 7:53:51 AM

Axter wrote:

> The two main things I despise about newsgroups are the topic police and
> some of the ill mannered participants that spoil it for everyone.
> One good reason to use a web base forum VS newsgroup is that you don't
> have so many topic police in forums like you do in newsgroups.  And in
> forums, members usually behave like they have some manners.

If you want moderated groups for C or C++, their are usenet ones
already.

> I recommend you try these forums out, before making an uninformed
> conclusion.

No need. Most of us have looked at or even used such forums over the
years. They generally fail miserably. The traffic will be light (it's
essentially zero at those currently), and those that are using it are
fairly clueless.

Most of us have trouble keeping up with the usenet groups applicable to
our craft, we don't need to add a bunch of web forums that duplicate
those. I also MUCH prefer the usenet newsreader display options to the
fixed (and not very useful) one in most web forums. I'm surprised that
web programmers haven't worked harder to produce something closer to
the window-style usenet reader.



Brain

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defaultuserbr (3656)
7/12/2005 4:43:08 PM

Default User wrote:

> If you want moderated groups for C or C++, their are usenet ones
> already.

Jeez, that looks illiterate, "there are usenet ones" is what I intended
to type.



> Brain

And misspledded my own name as well. Oh well.



Brian

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defaultuserbr (3656)
7/12/2005 8:14:38 PM
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