Has anyone used "Data Structures and Program Design in C"?

ISBN 0-13-725649-3 copyright 1991 old book ... I'm working though the book and would like to discuss some of the examples with someone from time to time. Yes, I could include the authors complete programs for discussion from everyone, but that's a lot of code in some cases. Thanks everyone.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:09:16 -0700 (PDT), gdotone@gmail.com wrote: >ISBN 0-13-725649-3 >copyright 1991 old book ... > >I'm working though the book and would like to discuss some of the examples with someone from time to time. Yes, I could include the authors complete programs for discussion from everyone, but that's a lot of code in some cases. > >Thanks everyone. I may have a copy packed away in my library, but I am in the process of moving and it is unavailable. However, I would suggest that you might want to update your text to an edition that includes the 2011 ANSI/ISO updates. I am finding many legacy features are being deprecated and only maintained to support legacy software. If you are trying to update your skills, this might be a better approach. I know that Sams has a good tutorial series in their Sams Learn C and other languages. I have an edition from 2010 before the standards were officially updated, and it is a good read and a good walk through the C-language. I haven't checked, but there might be a newer edition that fully incorporates the 2011 -> C11 standards. Some other readers of this forum may have other suggestions for updated tutorials should they choose to respond? Good luck, MJR

TheGunslinger <mikiesrunsbaal.sec@sbcglobal.net> writes: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:09:16 -0700 (PDT), gdotone@gmail.com wrote: >>ISBN 0-13-725649-3 >>copyright 1991 old book ... >> >>I'm working though the book and would like to discuss some of the >>examples with someone from time to time. Yes, I could include the >>authors complete programs for discussion from everyone, but that's a >>lot of code in some cases. > > I may have a copy packed away in my library, but I am in the process > of moving and it is unavailable. > > However, I would suggest that you might want to update your text to an > edition that includes the 2011 ANSI/ISO updates. [snip] I'm not sure that there are any books out yet that cover the 2011 ISO C standard (unless you count the standard itself, of course). A book that covers the 1999 standard would likely be better than a book from 1991. Note that not all compilers even support the 1999 standard; Microsoft in particular has expressed a lack of interest in supporting any standard past the 1990 one. (Ignore anyone who claims that this statement indicates any dislike for C99; it's just something to be aware of.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Will write code for food. "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this." -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:38:18 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: >TheGunslinger <mikiesrunsbaal.sec@sbcglobal.net> writes: >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:09:16 -0700 (PDT), gdotone@gmail.com wrote: >>>ISBN 0-13-725649-3 >>>copyright 1991 old book ... >>> >>>I'm working though the book and would like to discuss some of the >>>examples with someone from time to time. Yes, I could include the >>>authors complete programs for discussion from everyone, but that's a >>>lot of code in some cases. >> >> I may have a copy packed away in my library, but I am in the process >> of moving and it is unavailable. >> >> However, I would suggest that you might want to update your text to an >> edition that includes the 2011 ANSI/ISO updates. >[snip] > >I'm not sure that there are any books out yet that cover the 2011 ISO C >standard (unless you count the standard itself, of course). > >A book that covers the 1999 standard would likely be better than a book >from 1991. > >Note that not all compilers even support the 1999 standard; Microsoft in >particular has expressed a lack of interest in supporting any standard >past the 1990 one. (Ignore anyone who claims that this statement >indicates any dislike for C99; it's just something to be aware of.) Good point about C99. But I believe there was a C standard update in 2003? I am currently reviewing C++ myself, and most of the books published recently indicate that they actually incorporate the new standard C++11 because it has been out for so long as C++oX (I think). And I purchased a new text a few months back that specifically states it is updated for the new features according to the 2011 standard. I pretty much expect that to be true for C though I could be totally wrong, but a little research should uncover the most recent versions of C-texts and what they cover. Hope this helps in your decision to do w/e. Respectfully, MJR

TheGunslinger <mikiesrunsbaal.sec@sbcglobal.net> writes: > wrote: [...] >>I'm not sure that there are any books out yet that cover the 2011 ISO C >>standard (unless you count the standard itself, of course). >> >>A book that covers the 1999 standard would likely be better than a book >>from 1991. >> >>Note that not all compilers even support the 1999 standard; Microsoft in >>particular has expressed a lack of interest in supporting any standard >>past the 1990 one. (Ignore anyone who claims that this statement >>indicates any dislike for C99; it's just something to be aware of.) > > Good point about C99. But I believe there was a C standard update in > 2003? No. ISO C standards were issued in 1990, 1999, and 2011. An amendment was issued in 1995. (The 1990 ISO standard was based on the 1989 ANSI standard; after that, all standards were issued directly by ISO.) (There was a 2003 standard in C++; if you want to discuss that, try comp.std.c++.) [...] -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Will write code for food. "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this." -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 18:04:14 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: >TheGunslinger <mikiesrunsbaal.sec@sbcglobal.net> writes: > >> wrote: >[...] >>>I'm not sure that there are any books out yet that cover the 2011 ISO C >>>standard (unless you count the standard itself, of course). >>> >>>A book that covers the 1999 standard would likely be better than a book >>>from 1991. >>> >>>Note that not all compilers even support the 1999 standard; Microsoft in >>>particular has expressed a lack of interest in supporting any standard >>>past the 1990 one. (Ignore anyone who claims that this statement >>>indicates any dislike for C99; it's just something to be aware of.) >> >> Good point about C99. But I believe there was a C standard update in >> 2003? > >No. ISO C standards were issued in 1990, 1999, and 2011. An amendment >was issued in 1995. (The 1990 ISO standard was based on the 1989 ANSI >standard; after that, all standards were issued directly by ISO.) > >(There was a 2003 standard in C++; if you want to discuss that, try >comp.std.c++.) > >[...] This is a C Forum and I am good with that. I generally try to keep my discussions separate. I do find that there is often some overlap in discussions simply because C++ support most (but not all) features of C. I think the important point is that newer texts, especially as it get closer to a new standard ratification, tend to start documenting and implementing new features and those features that are being deprecated. This is, also, true of compiler publishers anticipating what features must be ready for release in the next generation of compiler products. So, let's not make any mistaken assumptions about what I want to discuss. The original question is the topic, and if we can help him make a better decision regarding his efforts, let's stick to that. Respectfully, MJR

Thanks everyone for the suggestion to get a more up-to-date book. I will follow that suggestion. Is there away to obtain the new standard specifications for C? Well, is the standard freely described somewhere? ANSI sells the standard publication, right? I'll check the web for some up-to-date publications, books, on C Data Structures. ISBNs would be welcomed. :-) Again, Thanks Everyone.

Am 02.08.2012 21:22, schrieb gdotone@gmail.com: > Thanks everyone for the suggestion to get a more up-to-date book. I will follow that suggestion. > > Is there away to obtain the new standard specifications for C? Well, is the standard freely described somewhere? ANSI sells the standard publication, right? You'd find versions that are officially drafts but come very close to the final document here: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/nXXXX.pdf where you have to replace XXXX by 1570 for the latest standard (C11) and 1256 for the previous one (C99 plus corigenda). Jens

On 08/02/2012 03:37 PM, Jens Gustedt wrote: .... > You'd find versions that are officially drafts but come very close to > the final document here: > > http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/nXXXX.pdf > > where you have to replace XXXX by 1570 for the latest standard (C11) and > 1256 for the previous one (C99 plus corigenda). Note that 1256 is actually a more useful reference for C99 than the documents that you have to pay for, because it's the only document that combines C99 with the three technical corrigenda.

TheGunslinger <mikiesrunsbaal.sec@sbcglobal.net> wrote: <snip> > Good point about C99. But I believe there was a C standard update in > 2003? > > I am currently reviewing C++ myself, and most of the books published > recently indicate that they actually incorporate the new standard > C++11 because it has been out for so long as C++oX (I think). And I > purchased a new text a few months back that specifically states it is > updated for the new features according to the 2011 standard. > > I pretty much expect that to be true for C though I could be totally > wrong, but a little research should uncover the most recent versions > of C-texts and what they cover. You shouldn't expect that. C and C++ are completely different languages with different communities. C++ is incomparably more popular in the eyes of the media and commentators. Expecting the number and vitality of C books to track that of C++ is like expecting it wrt to Java or Python. Books are published and updated according to market demand. Without having to argue that C++ is actually more popular in practice than C, most inexperienced programmers believe it is. They represent the demographic most likely to buy these sorts of books--"How to do X in Y"--and that demand controls the supply. Also, newer features in C are mostly incremental and rather straight-forward. The marginal benefit in updating and republishing C books to include these features isn't nearly as significant as with C++, Java, etc. That's why the "K&R" book is still a superb introduction to C, and why the 2nd revision with ANSI function syntax--the last indisputably significant change in syntax--is still in publication.

On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT), gdotone@gmail.com wrote: >Thanks everyone for the suggestion to get a more up-to-date book. I will follow that suggestion. > >Is there away to obtain the new standard specifications for C? Well, is the standard freely described somewhere? ANSI sells the standard publication, right? > >I'll check the web for some up-to-date publications, books, on C Data Structures. >ISBNs would be welcomed. :-) > >Again, > >Thanks Everyone. You can purchase and/or download copies of standard at the NIST or ISO website: (or other support sites) The standard is titled: ISO/IEC 9899:2011 Google it and make your choice. Here is one URL that works: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1570.pdf Respectfully, MJR

TheGunslinger <mikiesrunsbaal.sec@sbcglobal.net> writes: [...] > You can purchase and/or download copies of standard at the NIST or ISO > website: (or other support sites) > > The standard is titled: > > ISO/IEC 9899:2011 > > Google it and make your choice. > > Here is one URL that works: > > http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1570.pdf That URL is for a draft of the C11 standard. It should be nearly identical to the released standard, but if you want the official standard itself you can buy it here: http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=INCITS%2fISO%2fIEC+9899-2012 ANSI charges $30 US for the PDF. There's also a Technical Corrigendum, available at no charge here: http://webstore.ansi.org/RecordDetail.aspx?sku=ISO%2fIEC+9899%2fCor1%3a2012 It just corrects the values of __STDC_VERSION__ and __STDC_LIB_EXT1__, both of which expand to 201112L. I didn't see copies of the standard at the NIST web site. ISO sells the C11 standard for 238 Swiss francs (currently $246.14 US). It's robably also available from other national standard bodies. I don't know whether ANSI sells to non-US customers. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> Will write code for food. "We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this." -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"