Keith Thompson wrote this by private email:
>"Charlie Gordon" <news@chqrlie.org> writes:
> [...]
>> What is wrong with Keith's news server, I don't receive any of his posts
>> (neither free.fr, nor aioe.org carry them).  Is this some sort of agency
>> mantated embargo, as the name suggests ?
>
> I don't think there's anything wrong with my news server (which is
> "news-server.san.rr.com", provided by my ISP, Time Warner Cable's
> Roadrunner service).  At least some people are obviously seeing my
> messages, and Google Groups shows four of my articls in this thread.
>
> Perhaps someone or something has decided to block messages from
> news-server.san.rr.com for some reason.  Charlie, perhaps you could
> check with the administrators of free.fr and aioe.org?  If I'm being
> blocked, it's always possible that somebody important is being blocked
> too.  8-)}
>
> It also seemed odd that I didn't show up on the latest "Stats for
> comp.lang.c (last 7 days)" post, for Nov 3-10.  I don't think I've
> been *that* quiet.
>
> I'll e-mail this to Charlie as well as posting here.

I've open an account with motzarella.org, and your last post does not show 
up there either.
As a matter of fact, your messages show up on a very irregular basis:
Since November 1st, 2007, I received:
on motzarella.org (a German news host):
 4 messages dated nov 1st, 11 dated 11/4, 7 dated 11/5, 9 dated 11/9 and 5 
dated 11/7.
on aieo.org (an Italian news host), retention is 10 days:
 3 messages dated 11/2, 10 dated 11/3 and nothing more recent.
on free.fr (a French ISP, retention is much longer)
 8 messages dated 11/1, 4 dated 11/2, 9 dated 11/3, and nothing since.

I have not investigated other posters and other news services, and I realize 
NNTP and Usenet are not 100% reliable, but I think this is way beyond normal 
news service regularity.
Has anyone else experienced similar irregularities ?

Also does anyone know of an NNTP reader that can retrieve posts from 
different servers and aggregate them in a single local store, removing 
duplicates (and spam ;-)

I know this is somewhat off topic, but this annoyance hampers my ability to 
follow some of the most interesting discussions, and probably affects 
several regulars on the forum, including the one that posts the weekly 
stats.

-- 
Chqrlie. 

In article <4737a6dc$0$6237$426a34cc@news.free.fr>,
Charlie Gordon <news@chqrlie.org> wrote:

>Also does anyone know of an NNTP reader that can retrieve posts from 
>different servers and aggregate them in a single local store, removing 
>duplicates (and spam ;-)

[OT]

The documentation for xnews implies it can do this (not the spam part
though.) I haven't managed to get the duplicate-removing function
working myself, but I haven't tried much.
-- 
   So you found your solution
   What will be your last contribution?
   -- Supertramp (Fool's Overture)

Charlie Gordon wrote:
> Keith Thompson wrote this by private email:
>> "Charlie Gordon" <news@chqrlie.org> writes:
>> [...]
>>> What is wrong with Keith's news server, I don't receive any of his posts
>>> (neither free.fr, nor aioe.org carry them).  Is this some sort of agency
>>> mantated embargo, as the name suggests ?
>> I don't think there's anything wrong with my news server (which is
>> "news-server.san.rr.com", provided by my ISP, Time Warner Cable's
>> Roadrunner service).  At least some people are obviously seeing my
>> messages, and Google Groups shows four of my articls in this thread.
>>
>> Perhaps someone or something has decided to block messages from
>> news-server.san.rr.com for some reason.  Charlie, perhaps you could
>> check with the administrators of free.fr and aioe.org?  If I'm being
>> blocked, it's always possible that somebody important is being blocked
>> too.  8-)}
>>
>> It also seemed odd that I didn't show up on the latest "Stats for
>> comp.lang.c (last 7 days)" post, for Nov 3-10.  I don't think I've
>> been *that* quiet.
>>
>> I'll e-mail this to Charlie as well as posting here.
> 
> I've open an account with motzarella.org, and your last post does not show 
> up there either.
> As a matter of fact, your messages show up on a very irregular basis:
> Since November 1st, 2007, I received:
> on motzarella.org (a German news host):
>  4 messages dated nov 1st, 11 dated 11/4, 7 dated 11/5, 9 dated 11/9 and 5 
> dated 11/7.
> on aieo.org (an Italian news host), retention is 10 days:
>  3 messages dated 11/2, 10 dated 11/3 and nothing more recent.
> on free.fr (a French ISP, retention is much longer)
>  8 messages dated 11/1, 4 dated 11/2, 9 dated 11/3, and nothing since.
> 
> I have not investigated other posters and other news services, and I realize 
> NNTP and Usenet are not 100% reliable, but I think this is way beyond normal 
> news service regularity.
> Has anyone else experienced similar irregularities ?

I finally made the effort to give up on Google Groups a couple of weeks 
ago after they introduced some new bugs (or rather reintroduced some old 
ones). With NNTP server news.enta.net in the UK I almost immediately 
noticed I wasn't seeing Keith's postings. Since then I've seen a total 
of 10 all posted on November 3rd (which was roughly when I moved). I'm 
not sure if they're coming through sporadically or just very slowly. 
I've not noticed any problems with other regulars.

In article <4737a6dc$0$6237$426a34cc@news.free.fr>, Charlie Gordon
<news@chqrlie.org> wrote on Monday 12 Nov 2007 6:35 am:

> Keith Thompson wrote this by private email:
>>"Charlie Gordon" <news@chqrlie.org> writes:
>> [...]
>>> What is wrong with Keith's news server, I don't receive any of his
>>> posts (neither free.fr, nor aioe.org carry them).  Is this some sort
>>> of agency mantated embargo, as the name suggests ?
>>
>> I don't think there's anything wrong with my news server (which is
>> "news-server.san.rr.com", provided by my ISP, Time Warner Cable's
>> Roadrunner service).  At least some people are obviously seeing my
>> messages, and Google Groups shows four of my articls in this thread.
>>
>> Perhaps someone or something has decided to block messages from
>> news-server.san.rr.com for some reason.  Charlie, perhaps you could
>> check with the administrators of free.fr and aioe.org?  If I'm being
>> blocked, it's always possible that somebody important is being
>> blocked too.  8-)}
>>
>> It also seemed odd that I didn't show up on the latest "Stats for
>> comp.lang.c (last 7 days)" post, for Nov 3-10.  I don't think I've
>> been *that* quiet.
>>
>> I'll e-mail this to Charlie as well as posting here.
> 
> I've open an account with motzarella.org, and your last post does not
> show up there either.

I can confirm that. Keith's articles have not been showing up on both
news.motzarella.org as well as nntp.aioe.org for some time now, (I
estimate a month and a half).

> As a matter of fact, your messages show up on a very irregular basis:
> Since November 1st, 2007, I received:
> on motzarella.org (a German news host):
>  4 messages dated nov 1st, 11 dated 11/4, 7 dated 11/5, 9 dated 11/9
>  and 5  dated 11/7.
> on aieo.org (an Italian news host), retention is 10 days:
>  3 messages dated 11/2, 10 dated 11/3 and nothing more recent.
> on free.fr (a French ISP, retention is much longer)
>  8 messages dated 11/1, 4 dated 11/2, 9 dated 11/3, and nothing since.
> 
> I have not investigated other posters and other news services, and I
> realize NNTP and Usenet are not 100% reliable, but I think this is way
> beyond normal news service regularity.
> Has anyone else experienced similar irregularities ?

Google Groups, as far as I can tell, seems to carry his posts. It's
certainly unusual that three news providers, (all in mainland Europe),
don't seem to carry Keith's posts. The only logical reason I can think
of is that his news provider has been blocked.

> Also does anyone know of an NNTP reader that can retrieve posts from 
> different servers and aggregate them in a single local store, removing 
> duplicates (and spam ;-)

I think, I'm not sure, that Gnus can do this.

> I know this is somewhat off topic, but this annoyance hampers my
> ability to follow some of the most interesting discussions, and
> probably affects several regulars on the forum, including the one that
> posts the weekly stats.

Yes. It has certainly been a nuisance to visit Google Groups to read
Keith's articles. Otherwise I only see portions of his articles quoted
in reply by others.

In article <4737a6dc$0$6237$426a34cc@news.free.fr> "Charlie Gordon" <news@chqrlie.org> writes:
 > Keith Thompson wrote this by private email:
....
 > >> What is wrong with Keith's news server, I don't receive any of his posts
 > >> (neither free.fr, nor aioe.org carry them).  Is this some sort of agency
 > >> mantated embargo, as the name suggests ?
 > >
 > > I don't think there's anything wrong with my news server (which is
 > > "news-server.san.rr.com", provided by my ISP, Time Warner Cable's
 > > Roadrunner service).  At least some people are obviously seeing my
 > > messages, and Google Groups shows four of my articls in this thread.
....
 > I've open an account with motzarella.org, and your last post does not show 
 > up there either.
 > As a matter of fact, your messages show up on a very irregular basis:
 > Since November 1st, 2007, I received:
 > on motzarella.org (a German news host):
 >  4 messages dated nov 1st, 11 dated 11/4, 7 dated 11/5, 9 dated 11/9 and 5 
 > dated 11/7.
 > on aieo.org (an Italian news host), retention is 10 days:
 >  3 messages dated 11/2, 10 dated 11/3 and nothing more recent.
 > on free.fr (a French ISP, retention is much longer)
 >  8 messages dated 11/1, 4 dated 11/2, 9 dated 11/3, and nothing since.

Well, here (also in Europe) the messages appear to come through without
problem.  47 messages from Keith since late 11/04.
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

santosh <santosh.k83@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <4737a6dc$0$6237$426a34cc@news.free.fr>, Charlie Gordon
> 
> > Keith Thompson wrote this by private email:
> >> It also seemed odd that I didn't show up on the latest "Stats for
> >> comp.lang.c (last 7 days)" post, for Nov 3-10.  I don't think I've
> >> been *that* quiet.
> >>
> >> I'll e-mail this to Charlie as well as posting here.
> > 
> > I've open an account with motzarella.org, and your last post does not
> > show up there either.
> 
> I can confirm that. Keith's articles have not been showing up on both
> news.motzarella.org as well as nntp.aioe.org for some time now, (I
> estimate a month and a half).

He's disappeared from my server about a week ago. Before that, I can't
be sure of course, but I _think_ everything came through fine.

Richard

Charlie Gordon wrote:
> Keith Thompson wrote this by private email:
>> "Charlie Gordon" <news@chqrlie.org> writes:
>> [...]
>>> What is wrong with Keith's news server, I don't receive any of his posts
>>> (neither free.fr, nor aioe.org carry them).  Is this some sort of agency
>>> mantated embargo, as the name suggests ?

[...]

> I have not investigated other posters and other news services, and I realize 
> NNTP and Usenet are not 100% reliable, but I think this is way beyond normal 
> news service regularity.
> Has anyone else experienced similar irregularities ?

Not me, Keith post a lot. :)

> Also does anyone know of an NNTP reader that can retrieve posts from 
> different servers and aggregate them in a single local store, removing 
> duplicates (and spam ;-)

Sounded like a fun project, that is, if dropping the GUI programming. :)

Are you sure, your current spam or kill filter, isn't buggy?

-- 
Tor <bwzcab@wvtqvm.vw | tr i-za-h a-z>

Tor Rustad wrote:
> Charlie Gordon wrote:
>> Keith Thompson wrote this by private email:
>>> "Charlie Gordon" <news@chqrlie.org> writes:
>>> [...]
>>>> What is wrong with Keith's news server, I don't receive any of his 
>>>> posts
>>>> (neither free.fr, nor aioe.org carry them).  Is this some sort of 
>>>> agency
>>>> mantated embargo, as the name suggests ?
> 
> [...]
> 
>> I have not investigated other posters and other news services, and I 
>> realize NNTP and Usenet are not 100% reliable, but I think this is way 
>> beyond normal news service regularity.
>> Has anyone else experienced similar irregularities ?
> 
> Not me, Keith post a lot. :)
> 
....
> Are you sure, your current spam or kill filter, isn't buggy?

I also view the group via aioe and Keith's posts are missing.

Richard Bos wrote:

> santosh <santosh.k83@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I can confirm that. Keith's articles have not been showing up on
> > both news.motzarella.org as well as nntp.aioe.org for some time
> > now, (I estimate a month and a half).
> 
> He's disappeared from my server about a week ago. Before that, I can't
> be sure of course, but I think everything came through fine.

I'm seeing his posts through news.individual.net.




Brian

"J. J. Farrell" wrote:
> 
.... snip ...
> 
> I finally made the effort to give up on Google Groups a couple of
> weeks ago after they introduced some new bugs (or rather
> reintroduced some old ones). With NNTP server news.enta.net in the
> UK I almost immediately noticed I wasn't seeing Keith's postings.
> Since then I've seen a total of 10 all posted on November 3rd
> (which was roughly when I moved). I'm not sure if they're coming
> through sporadically or just very slowly. I've not noticed any
> problems with other regulars.

News servers can do peculiar things.  I have noticed that some of
my postings on teranews are delayed for as long as 5 days.  It
hasn't happened recently.  I have no idea why.  The delays can
interact with old message purging rules at the destination.

-- 
 Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
   <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
   Try the download section.



-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Mark Bluemel wrote:
> Tor Rustad wrote:
>> Charlie Gordon wrote:
>>
.... snip ...
>>
>>> I have not investigated other posters and other news services,
>>> and I realize NNTP and Usenet are not 100% reliable, but I think
>>> this is way beyond normal news service regularity.
>>> Has anyone else experienced similar irregularities ?
>>
>> Not me, Keith post a lot. :)
>>
> ...
>> Are you sure, your current spam or kill filter, isn't buggy?
> 
> I also view the group via aioe and Keith's posts are missing.

It's not just the one news-server, it's the whole path from there
to whatever you are reading it on.  There are many possibilities. 
The 'Path' header identifies the route for successful posts, but
the lack of posts doesn't have any 'Path' at the destination!

Remember, there are no transmission guarantees in Usenet.

-- 
 Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
   <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
   Try the download section.



-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On 12 Nov 2007 18:11:54 GMT, "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Richard Bos wrote:
>
>> santosh <santosh.k83@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > I can confirm that. Keith's articles have not been showing up on
>> > both news.motzarella.org as well as nntp.aioe.org for some time
>> > now, (I estimate a month and a half).
>> 
>> He's disappeared from my server about a week ago. Before that, I can't
>> be sure of course, but I think everything came through fine.
>
>I'm seeing his posts through news.individual.net.

Interesting.  Now I _know_ that aioe.org do filter, simply because
since I've been with them I am not seeing 99.9999% of the current
sporge attack in sci.crypt - the precise reason I moved to them from
teranews, in fact.  I suppose it's possible that their filtering could
be a tad over-zealous, and certainly I've not been seeing any of Keith
T's articles for a while.  But why would motzarella be over-zealous in
the exact same way?  In other words, is there anything 'singlular'
about Keith's posts that might mark them as suitable for filtering?
-- 
PGP key ID 0xEB7180EC

In article <rjrij31v0grs7b4epnq8k6reidkei83vuu@4ax.com>,
Keith Willis  <me@privacy.net> wrote:
....
>Interesting.  Now I _know_ that aioe.org do filter, simply because
>since I've been with them I am not seeing 99.9999% of the current
>sporge attack in sci.crypt - the precise reason I moved to them from
>teranews, in fact.  I suppose it's possible that their filtering could
>be a tad over-zealous, and certainly I've not been seeing any of Keith
>T's articles for a while.  But why would motzarella be over-zealous in
>the exact same way?  In other words, is there anything 'singlular'
>about Keith's posts that might mark them as suitable for filtering?

Words fail me.

Maybe, if we get really lucky, we could get the newsservers of the world
to drop RH's silliness as well.

In article <rjrij31v0grs7b4epnq8k6reidkei83vuu@4ax.com>, Keith Willis
<me@privacy.net> wrote on Tuesday 13 Nov 2007 3:05 pm:

> On 12 Nov 2007 18:11:54 GMT, "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>Richard Bos wrote:
>>
>>> santosh <santosh.k83@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > I can confirm that. Keith's articles have not been showing up on
>>> > both news.motzarella.org as well as nntp.aioe.org for some time
>>> > now, (I estimate a month and a half).
>>> 
>>> He's disappeared from my server about a week ago. Before that, I
>>> can't be sure of course, but I think everything came through fine.
>>
>>I'm seeing his posts through news.individual.net.
> 
> Interesting.  Now I _know_ that aioe.org do filter, simply because
> since I've been with them I am not seeing 99.9999% of the current
> sporge attack in sci.crypt - the precise reason I moved to them from
> teranews, in fact.  I suppose it's possible that their filtering could
> be a tad over-zealous, and certainly I've not been seeing any of Keith
> T's articles for a while.  But why would motzarella be over-zealous in
> the exact same way?  In other words, is there anything 'singlular'
> about Keith's posts that might mark them as suitable for filtering?

Perhaps the "filtering" is being done by some other server from which
both aioe and motzarella both get feeds? And Charlie has confirmed that
free.fr also has the same problem. It seems unlikely that three
different servers will employ precisely the same filtering.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:47:05 +0000 (UTC),
gazelle@xmission.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:

>Words fail me.

One can only hope.

>Maybe, if we get really lucky, we could get the newsservers of the world
>to drop RH's silliness as well.

Well I certainly shan't be seeing any more of your silliness.
<*plonk*>
-- 
PGP key ID 0xEB7180EC

santosh wrote:

> Perhaps the "filtering" is being done by some other server from which
> both aioe and motzarella both get feeds? And Charlie has confirmed that
> free.fr also has the same problem. It seems unlikely that three
> different servers will employ precisely the same filtering.

Here's one of the last messages I have.

Path: 
news.free.fr!xref-2.proxad.net!spooler2c-1.proxad.net!cleanfeed4-a.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post02.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Simple allocation of two buffer on AMD64
References: [snip]
From: Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Organization: None to speak of
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:07:47 -0700
Message-ID: <lnk5ozyzgs.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:EEKzUlNRZq++JsGcvDZZL6VA7f4=
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Lines: 20
NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.80.183.54
X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:03:18 +0100, Spoon <root@localhost> wrote:

>santosh wrote:
>
>> Perhaps the "filtering" is being done by some other server from which
>> both aioe and motzarella both get feeds? And Charlie has confirmed that
>> free.fr also has the same problem. It seems unlikely that three
>> different servers will employ precisely the same filtering.
>
>Here's one of the last messages I have.
>
>Path: 
>news.free.fr!xref-2.proxad.net!spooler2c-1.proxad.net!cleanfeed4-a.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder2-2.proxad.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post02.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail

I'm still getting them - the latest path was
Path:
bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnmaster12!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!63.218.45.10!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!post01.iad01!roadrunner.com!not-for-mail

Same through newshosting.com.

>Newsgroups: comp.lang.c
>Subject: Re: Simple allocation of two buffer on AMD64
>References: [snip]
>From: Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
>Organization: None to speak of
>Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:07:47 -0700
>Message-ID: <lnk5ozyzgs.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
>User-Agent: Gnus/5.1008 (Gnus v5.10.8) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux)
>Cancel-Lock: sha1:EEKzUlNRZq++JsGcvDZZL6VA7f4=
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Lines: 20
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.80.183.54
>X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com

-- 
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ

Spoon wrote:

> santosh wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps the "filtering" is being done by some other server from
> > which both aioe and motzarella both get feeds? And Charlie has
> > confirmed that free.fr also has the same problem. It seems unlikely
> > that three different servers will employ precisely the same
> > filtering.
> 
> Here's one of the last messages I have.

> X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com



Due to the sporge attack in some groups, I've heard something about
cancel messages being sent for Road Runner posts. I don't remember the
details, and NIN doesn't seem to be honoring them if this is the case
here. I don't know that it has anything to do with it or not.




Brian

"Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> writes:
[...]
> Due to the sporge attack in some groups, I've heard something about
> cancel messages being sent for Road Runner posts. I don't remember the
> details, and NIN doesn't seem to be honoring them if this is the case
> here. I don't know that it has anything to do with it or not.

Ok, I think that probably explains it.  A bit of Googling
turned up a thread in news.admin.net-abuse.policy at

http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.policy/browse_frm/thread/b3327ff1bacd5618/b9840dbbb9ceb3a8%23b9840dbbb9ceb3a8

or equivalently

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2c563t

According to the second article in that thread, posted Nov 4 by Xavier
Roche:

    rr.com: still being used for floods, never replied to complaints
    (6 sent so far) ; upstream (newshosting) replied _once_ that
    something should be done (..)

I've already complained to rr.com about this; I'll do so again and
draw their attention to the thread in nanap.

"Default User": if you see this, can you post a followup quoting the
entire article?  If Default User hasn't done so after a while, can
someone else do so?  Thanks.

-- 
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Looking for software development work in the San Diego area.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

Default User wrote:
[...]
> Due to the sporge attack in some groups, I've heard something about
> cancel messages being sent for Road Runner posts. I don't remember the
> details, and NIN doesn't seem to be honoring them if this is the case
> here. I don't know that it has anything to do with it or not.

I'm trying aoie.org; we'll see if it works.  (BTW, aioe.org doesn't have
the messages I've posted from rr.com; I think somebody already mentioned 
that.)  The following is a repeat of what I posted from rr.com.  I might 
consider switching to aioe.org for news posting if RoadRunner doesn't 
get its act together.

========================================

Ok, I think that probably explains it.  A bit of Googling
turned up a thread in news.admin.net-abuse.policy at

http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.policy/browse_frm/thread/b3327ff1bacd5618/b9840dbbb9ceb3a8%23b9840dbbb9ceb3a8

or equivalently

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2c563t

According to the second article in that thread, posted Nov 4 by Xavier
Roche:

     rr.com: still being used for floods, never replied to complaints
     (6 sent so far) ; upstream (newshosting) replied _once_ that
     something should be done (..)

I've already complained to rr.com about this; I'll do so again and
draw their attention to the thread in nanap.

"Default User": if you see this, can you post a followup quoting the
entire article?  If Default User hasn't done so after a while, can
someone else do so?  Thanks.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Looking for software development work in the San Diego area.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
     -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

Default User wrote:

> Due to the sporge attack in some groups, I've heard something about
> cancel messages being sent for Road Runner posts. I don't remember the
> details, and NIN doesn't seem to be honoring them if this is the case
> here. I don't know that it has anything to do with it or not.

In fact, Roadrunner has been the primary source of these floods for
three months (up to 10.000 spam articles/day to sci.crypt) without any
reaction to complaints or any visible effort to stop the spammer. As a
consequence, Roadrunner is under an active UDP right now[1] and many news
servers refuse to accept *any* postings from it. 

[1] see ongoing discussion in news.admin.net-abuse.policy

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In article <fhd1l9$s55$1@aioe.org>, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> 
wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> [...]
> > Due to the sporge attack in some groups, I've heard something about
> > cancel messages being sent for Road Runner posts. I don't remember the
> > details, and NIN doesn't seem to be honoring them if this is the case
> > here. I don't know that it has anything to do with it or not.
> 
> I'm trying aoie.org; we'll see if it works.  (BTW, aioe.org doesn't have
> the messages I've posted from rr.com; I think somebody already mentioned 
> that.)  The following is a repeat of what I posted from rr.com.  I might 
> consider switching to aioe.org for news posting if RoadRunner doesn't 
> get its act together.
> 
> ========================================
> 
> Ok, I think that probably explains it.  A bit of Googling
> turned up a thread in news.admin.net-abuse.policy at
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.policy/browse_frm/thread/b
> 3327ff1bacd5618/b9840dbbb9ceb3a8%23b9840dbbb9ceb3a8
> 
> or equivalently
> 
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2c563t
> 
> According to the second article in that thread, posted Nov 4 by Xavier
> Roche:
> 
>      rr.com: still being used for floods, never replied to complaints
>      (6 sent so far) ; upstream (newshosting) replied _once_ that
>      something should be done (..)
> 
> I've already complained to rr.com about this; I'll do so again and
> draw their attention to the thread in nanap.

Given their past history regarding abuse complaints, you'll get nothing.

> 
> "Default User": if you see this, can you post a followup quoting the
> entire article?  If Default User hasn't done so after a while, can
> someone else do so?  Thanks.
> 
> --
> Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
> Looking for software development work in the San Diego area.
> "We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
>      -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

Havent' seen anything from "Default User", so here's a quoteback for you 
- I'm seeing it on sonic.net's news server. 

Sonic seems to be honoring the cancels against Roadrunner - A few of the 
flooder's messages are getting to me, but the vast majority vanish 
before I see them. 

Of the few that are still getting through, the (almost always a 
dotted-quad IP number) NNTP-posting host is, with only two exceptions 
that I've seen, a *.rr.com server. (both exceptions are *.suddenlink.net 
addresses)

Fair warning, Keith - Roadrunner has a *REALLY* bad reputation on the 
'net as far as dealing with abuse complaints - their standard practice 
seems to be to black-hole them. This has been true for *WAY* too long. 
So I, for one, welcome the cancel-bots and/or UDP against them. Maybe 
this will *FINALLY* wake them up. (but only if the users that are being 
affected bitch loud enough to them... Hint, hint...)

-- 
Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info

Keith Thompson wrote:

> "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> writes:
> [...]
> > Due to the sporge attack in some groups, I've heard something about
> > cancel messages being sent for Road Runner posts. I don't remember
> > the details, and NIN doesn't seem to be honoring them if this is
> > the case here. I don't know that it has anything to do with it or
> > not.
> 
> Ok, I think that probably explains it.  A bit of Googling
> turned up a thread in news.admin.net-abuse.policy at
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.policy/browse_frm/
> thread/b3327ff1bacd5618/b9840dbbb9ceb3a8%23b9840dbbb9ceb3a8
> 
> or equivalently
> 
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2c563t
> 
> According to the second article in that thread, posted Nov 4 by Xavier
> Roche:
> 
>     rr.com: still being used for floods, never replied to complaints
>     (6 sent so far) ; upstream (newshosting) replied once that
>     something should be done (..)
> 
> I've already complained to rr.com about this; I'll do so again and
> draw their attention to the thread in nanap.
> 
> "Default User": if you see this, can you post a followup quoting the
> entire article?  If Default User hasn't done so after a while, can
> someone else do so?  Thanks.


Here you go.




Brian

Don Bruder wrote:


> Havent' seen anything from "Default User", so here's a quoteback for
> you - I'm seeing it on sonic.net's news server. 


I was bizee making slides for a presentation. 




Brian

In article <5pv1mnFtc4hiU1@mid.individual.net>,
 "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Don Bruder wrote:
> 
> 
> > Havent' seen anything from "Default User", so here's a quoteback for
> > you - I'm seeing it on sonic.net's news server. 
> 
> 
> I was bizee making slides for a presentation. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brian

A likely story :)

-- 
Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info

Don Bruder wrote:

> In article <5pv1mnFtc4hiU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Don Bruder wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Havent' seen anything from "Default User", so here's a quoteback
> > > for you - I'm seeing it on sonic.net's news server. 
> > 
> > 
> > I was bizee making slides for a presentation. 

> A likely story :)


If you knew how little I like making slides . . . .




Brian

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:05:18 +0100, "Charlie Gordon"
<news@chqrlie.org> wrote:
<snip: issues with news propagation>
> Also does anyone know of an NNTP reader that can retrieve posts from 
> different servers and aggregate them in a single local store, removing 
> duplicates (and spam ;-)
> 
On Win32 only (or emulations like Wine), as is true for OE:

Forte' Agent at www.forteinc.com version 3 or up (current is 4.2).
30-day free trial then USD29, or up through IIRC 3.3 allows a
permanently free but somewhat restricted mode called Free Agent.

Resolves true duplicates (same message-id) across servers and
downloads from only one. Resolves cross-posts by message-id and can
filter or discard.

Can filter news (before download) only on Author and Subject,
synthesized Newsgroups, and number of lines; this can be used to deal
with some spam but not all. Automatic filtering on additional headers
(after download) is a FAQ and FRequestedFeature in the Agent users
newsgroup alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent and may happen
someday. In the meantime you can do particularly troublesome lots in
less than a minute by global-search, select-all, delete-or-whatever.
v4 has much more extensive (and complicated) features for dealing with
spam and junk _email_ -- if you choose to use Agent for your email. 

Uses hash values rather than full message-id's to thread, which can
result in false matches. On moderate volume groups like clc, I
experience this issue maybe 2-3 times a year, but high-volume binary
folks complain pretty vociferously about it.

> I know this is somewhat off topic, but this annoyance hampers my ability to 
> follow some of the most interesting discussions, and probably affects 
> several regulars on the forum, including the one that posts the weekly 
> stats.
- formerly david.thompson1 || achar(64) || worldnet.att.net

"David Thompson" <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:cdsjk3ldo1tp6u6o1o5dv5a3sdo1pe6pm5@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:05:18 +0100, "Charlie Gordon"
> <news@chqrlie.org> wrote:
> <snip: issues with news propagation>
>> Also does anyone know of an NNTP reader that can retrieve posts from
>> different servers and aggregate them in a single local store, removing
>> duplicates (and spam ;-)
>>
> On Win32 only (or emulations like Wine), as is true for OE:
>
> Forte' Agent at www.forteinc.com version 3 or up (current is 4.2).
> 30-day free trial then USD29, or up through IIRC 3.3 allows a
> permanently free but somewhat restricted mode called Free Agent.
>
> Resolves true duplicates (same message-id) across servers and
> downloads from only one. Resolves cross-posts by message-id and can
> filter or discard.
>
> Can filter news (before download) only on Author and Subject,
> synthesized Newsgroups, and number of lines; this can be used to deal
> with some spam but not all. Automatic filtering on additional headers
> (after download) is a FAQ and FRequestedFeature in the Agent users
> newsgroup alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent and may happen
> someday. In the meantime you can do particularly troublesome lots in
> less than a minute by global-search, select-all, delete-or-whatever.
> v4 has much more extensive (and complicated) features for dealing with
> spam and junk _email_ -- if you choose to use Agent for your email.
>
> Uses hash values rather than full message-id's to thread, which can
> result in false matches. On moderate volume groups like clc, I
> experience this issue maybe 2-3 times a year, but high-volume binary
> folks complain pretty vociferously about it.
>
>> I know this is somewhat off topic, but this annoyance hampers my ability 
>> to
>> follow some of the most interesting discussions, and probably affects
>> several regulars on the forum, including the one that posts the weekly
>> stats.
Holy shit, I came here to challenge Jabba but would rather comment on the 
above.  I'm trying opera.

Tja.


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