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None extensible by other means

A type bound procedure has to pass a CLASS dummy variable unless the type is none-extensible. Could there be some performance loss here due to CLASS rather than TYPE? I have a small derived TYPE (2 reals) and using it extensively so overhead in passing arguments could be a significant hit. There is no NONEXTENSIBLE attribute for a type so it has to be achieved by the SEQUENCE or BIND(c) attribute. Is there any reason why we don't have a NONEXTENSIBLE attribute?

9/8/2010 8:22:54 PM 2 Andrew Smith <bigt...@ntlworld.com>
compilation problem : abstract type and deferred procedure

As an exercise ( I learn Fortran up to F2003 - with great pleasure by the way ) I tried to write a small program using an abstract type and a deferred function ( code below ). As it is: Using ifort I got an Internal Compiler Error ( and posted something at the Intel compiler forum ) Using gfortran I have an error: myPoint = point2d(2.3, 4.2) 1 Error: Invalid character in name at (1) Replacing this line by : myPoint%x = 2.3 ; myPoint%y = 4.2 everything works. Does someone here see a problem with the code ? Marc module pointModule implicit n

9/7/2010 8:54:53 PM 7 AT <"gtitus(AT)wanadoo.fr">
rounding problem with single precision

I'm working on a program that uses a seed < 2**31 - 1 to create a uniform pseudo-random number. The seed is double precision, but it could be integer. I divide it by 2**31 to convert it to a floating point number. This works just fine when the variable to which it is assigned is double precision, but not single precision. (g95 on MinGW32, Vista/XP). I want the returned result to be on (0,1) not on (0,1]. Why not use the intrinsic? Why not return a "double"? Why not use a better PRNG? That's the design spec I have. ---- start text ---- module my_kinds implicit none integer,

9/7/2010 8:08:28 PM 11 e p chandler <e...@juno.com>
cos intrinsic and double precision

Hello, I am a newcomer to Fortran and I have the following question. Does the cos intrinsic in fortran returns a double precision number o a single precision one. Reading the documentation I am lead to believe the latter, but then how do I calculate trigonometric functions in double precision. Thank you in advance, Makis ps. I am using g77 from the gcc4.3.6 collection.

9/7/2010 4:16:52 PM 14 makis <makismun...@gmail.com>
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9/7/2010 7:19:54 AM 0 SUKANYA <magguri.rama...@gmail.com>
Format reading

Ok guys I made a mistake in the reading language: Should be IF (HHMM1 .EQ. HHMM2) THEN DO SOMETHING END IF Now my question would go further than that. In fortran77 how do you deal with other formats, specially Excel, CSV, etc.? Thanks for your coolaboration

9/5/2010 8:00:12 PM 1 ritchie31 <medina....@gmail.com>
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1. Reduce heater's room temperature For each extra degree (Celsius) of temperature, your heater will consume 7 to 11% more energy. Adjust it to 18degrees which is also better for your health. 2. Install a programmable thermostat You will be able to control the heater's temperature during specific hours every day. 3. Insulate your house Loss of heat is loss of energy. 4. Fix air leaks 5. Close the chimney of the fireplace when you don't use it It is designed to drive smoke (hot air) out of the house! 6. Get an energy audit to advice you about the necessary fixes and insulation 7.

9/5/2010 2:13:55 PM 0 "......" <sustainable.future...@gmail.com>
A plug for Code::Blocks

http://www.codeblocks.org/ I've been trying this out (on Windows, with gcc/gfortran) and I'm pretty impressed. It is a free open-source cross-platform IDE, with a high degree of configurability, but intelligent defaults. The project I've been testing with has about 10 modules created by different files, with multiple dependencies. It took me a bit of hunting around, but I found that the compilation order can be controlled by setting priority levels on the source files. I've just scratched the surface of what's available, but already I have something I can use. Another big pl

9/5/2010 1:31:36 AM 0 Gib Bogle <g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz>
Code for sparse stiffness matrix assembly

I _need_ to explicitly assemble the sparse stiffness matrix resulting from finite element discretization. Does anyone know of any Fortran code/subroutine which can do this using linked lists etc? Any sparse format like CSR, COO would do. Thanks in advance.

9/4/2010 3:46:08 AM 5 rusi_pathan <tabrez...@gmail.com>
Effect of SPAM on number of active contributors

I really appreciated the give-and-take of the postings trying (and succeeding) to help me in converting the old (1978) CDC Fortan IV program. It took this war-story telling to get 88 responses. But how few the author names (aliases) that cropped up! But the non-news-service feed (Google Forum)s access to this Usenet Forum provides a 20-to-1 SPAM to Fortran posting ratio. I actually counted a 99-to-1 raion one single horrible day. I am now certain that SPAM is killing the active membership of this Forum. Some days are better than others. Wouldn't a moderated forum but a better

9/4/2010 1:45:05 AM 30 Terence <tbwri...@cantv.net>
Generic lists

I accidently posted this as a reply to an unrelated topic so I'm reposting it for visibility. I'm working on a generic list structure but can't figure out how to get the data (integers in this example) into the list. It's probably simplest to include a cut-down version of the code (164 lines) that exhibits the problem. If you build and run you'll it will print out the errors. I think I can see what the problem is but I can't work out how to fix it. I've tried the Intel 11.1.067 compiler on WinXP and the Intel 12.0.0 compiler on Linux. Thanks for any help. Simon ! Generic l

9/3/2010 9:45:22 PM 8 SimonG <si...@whiteowl.co.uk>
intent(in) / intent(out)

Just to see what happens, I tried the following: program test_intent implicit none integer :: var var = 1 call test_intent( in=var, out=var ) print*,var ! contains ! subroutine test_intent(in, out) implicit none integer, intent(in) :: in integer, intent(out) :: out ! Initialize out. out = 0 ! Calculate something. out = in*5 end subroutine test_intent end program test_intent !--------------------------------------- the output is not 5, but 0. The reason for having the input and output in one variable is simply

9/3/2010 4:37:54 AM 12 "ralf.schaa" <ralf.sc...@gmail.com>
trunk versus underneath the hood

I try to understand the compilers I compute with, primarily gcc and gfortran. These haven't always been my compilers of choice, but they seem to stick with me in the lean times and stick around later because I forgot I needed something I don't. What makes me think I do is floating point in C. I've "heard" people talk about problems, and I have tried very diligently to follow up to form this opinion. The person I feel comfortable quoting is Nick Mcclaren, who has ghastly, british-things to say about it, which leads me to my first question: q1) Can somebody tell me if the

9/3/2010 2:48:23 AM 2 Uno <merrilljen...@q.com>
generic lexicographical sort in fortran

is it possible to write a sort routine with variable number of arguments and without type restrictions on the arguments plus an ascending/descending flag? Thanks.

9/3/2010 1:17:19 AM 9 "analys...@hotmail.com" <analys...@hotmail.com>
gfortran problem linking to DLL

I was using mingw64-4.5, but I've now installed mingw-4.4.4 (from equation.com) to try building 32-bit executables. I've run into a problem that didn't show up in the 64-bit case. Having successfully (as far as I can tell) built a DLL, I try to build a main program that links to it. The command gfortran para_main.f90 release\libpara32.dll gives this error at the linking stage: c:/mingw-4.4.4/bin/../lib/gcc/i686-pc-mingw32/4.4.4/../../../libgfortran.a(compile_options.o): In function `*__gfortran_set_options': /home/gfortran/gcc-home/workshop/gcc/objdir/i686-pc-mingw32/libgf

9/2/2010 9:07:07 AM 8 Gib Bogle <g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz>
Web site and Workshops

Hello, I've reworked my web site. It's now www.daniellnagle.com The old erols site should be ignored. I haven't kept it for a couple of years. (I'm working on my dissertation.) I've got two new workshops. One is on coarrays, the other is on using CUDA from Fortran. Please contact me if you have any interest. Further details are on the web site. -- Cheers! Dan Nagle

8/31/2010 4:27:51 PM 14 Dan Nagle <danna...@verizon.net>
Fortran Start Page

Fortran Start Page ( http://fortran.domeintje.net) started in year 2000. For several reasons (retired now for several years, missing contact in the FTN World and losing experience) I have decided to stop to maintain this website. I thank everyone for all the support they have given to keep the data up-to-date. Do you like to take over? By redirect I will mention the new website. Regards, Jan Verburgt

8/31/2010 3:14:23 PM 0 Jan <j_verbu...@hotmail.com>
Re: OT: Punched cards -- was Re: non portable - a problem with direct access

Roland Hutchinson wrote: > On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:18:40 -0400, Joe Morris wrote: > >> "Peter Flass" <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> wrote: >>> dpb wrote: >>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: >> >>>>> I know FORTRAN is old, but *that* old ? >>>> >>>> Now you know what the advantage Caesar had over the Gauls was based >>>> on... :) >> >>> The Gauls used Algol? >> >> Probably using the compiler (for IBSYS) written at Grenoble. (Anyone >> else recall Gralgol?) >> >> Side question: does anyone here remember enough of their high-school >> Latin to come up with a plausible Latin expression

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8/31/2010 10:37:58 AM 0 Tibor Pausz <pa...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de>
Problem with allocate

I recently met a problem with allocate. The code runs smoothly all the way till the following segment: ALLOCATE(E(nlength),STAT=allo_stat) IF(MemoryError('E',error)) GOTO 9999 E = 0.0d0 I believe the error is due to allocate a big array and the system does not have sufficient memory. MemoryError is a function for reporting this error. However, instead of getting meaningful error message, the system crashed instead. Can somebody tell me why and how to present such situations? I cannot even get the system return the value for allo_stat. Thanks in advance for your help!

8/30/2010 7:59:00 PM 16 Hifi-Comp <wenbinyu.hea...@gmail.com>
Sockets in gfortran?

Is there a way to program socket communications in gfortran on Windows? I'm guessing that this can be achieved via gcc, so a better question might be has someone seen or developed Fortran code to handle sockets via C?

8/30/2010 9:02:35 AM 33 Gib Bogle <g.bo...@auckland.no.spam.ac.nz>
how to examine filelength?

i'd like to open a file with lines like 1 ; H ; Wasserstoff ; 1.007947 ; 1.0079 2 ; He ; Helium ; 4.0026022 ; 4.0026 i want to find out how many rows this file has. How is that done? Can i use inquire for that? Has someone a good howto for reading data from files? I found a lot of howtos, but they only explained the simple situation without strings and without seperation characters like ";" and the examples expected that the length of the numbers is fixed (like I3). Kind regards, -- Jonas Stein <news@jonasstein.de>

8/29/2010 1:33:07 PM 19 Jonas Stein <n...@jonasstein.de>
Hey, Walt, be a nice guy!

Dick Hendrickson commented on a subject in which I don't seem to lose interest: asterisks. He mentioned that Walt Brainerd, a frequent reader of c.l.f., wrote a paper on this. I'd like to lay eyes on that paper and ask Walt, should he happen to lay eyes on this post, to rummage through where he might have it and get it posted in a medium that suits him. Here's Dick's quote: If you're interested in history, Walt Brainerd wrote a paper titled something like "Astronomy versus colonoscopy" back when the various new F90 statements were being initially syntaxed. It contrasts t

8/27/2010 12:24:54 AM 5 Uno <merrilljen...@q.com>
Anyone running Linux and XLF on a PowerMac G5?

Back in ancient times (2005!) I bought a PowerMac G5 running OSX mostly because IBM's XL-Fortran (8.1) was available for it. Shortly afterwards IBM dropped support for it when Apple moved to Intel processors. However, I still use it as my primary development platform becuase it still outperforms the latest Gfortran even though Mac-XLF is getting a little long in the tooth (Linux-XLF is up to version 13.1). I've been thinking of converting the box over to Linux (e.g. YDL 6.2) and getting a later version of XLF. Has anyone gone this route? One stumbling block is that IBM has increas

8/26/2010 4:04:12 PM 8 Al Greynolds <awgreyno...@earthlink.net>
Help with C interoperability of derived type

Hello, I am trying to learn the F2003 C interoperability feature. I need to write Fortran code to call C library functions, but I need some help. Here's an example of the C function prototype: ToC * GetContent ( int id ) The ToC is a struct defined as: typedef struct { char **curve_names; int nCurves; char **subdirectories_names; int nSubdirectories; .... } ToC; So I need to construct a derived type in Fortran to bind with the ToC struc. My first question is: 1. What to do with the "char ** <var>" stuffs, what interoperability type do I use and how ? Second

8/26/2010 3:01:37 PM 3 Armelius <armeli...@gmail.com>
GAULEG.FOR quadratue weights and nodes.

The routine for finding Gaussian quadrature nodes and weights given in numerical recipe can be trusted for how many digits in double and quad precision.

8/26/2010 11:04:58 AM 2 ajay <ajay.rawa...@gmail.com>
FORTRAN 90 'PARAMETER' Scope

Hello, I am wondering about the scope of the parameters when included in my main source. I have a FORTRAN 90 program with an included parameter file. ie: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! MY PARAMETER FILE ! MY_PARAMS.f90 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! integer, parameter :: m=267,n=115,msoc=0,nh=3,nb=458,l=22,lo=36 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! MY MAIN FILE ! MY_MAIN.f90 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! program main include 'MY_PARAMS.f90' common /y1/u(2,l,m,n),uab(2,l,m,n),tb(2,

8/25/2010 11:01:39 PM 32 pwillis <silliw.re...@gmail.com>
Calling Linux C library and F2003's C interoperability

Hello, I am trying to figure out if the F2003's C interoperability can help me to call Linux's system library call without resorting to write all sorts of C wrappers for Fortran. Specifically, I want a simple & portable way to create directories from a Fortran program. On Unix / Linux, there is of course a library function that can be called from C: "man 2 mkdir": #include <sys/stat.h> #include <sys/types.h> int mkdir(const char *pathname, mode_t mode); The question is, can I call this from Fortran with the the 2003 C interoperability features to help ? I am not sure w

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=?windows-1252?Q?Beginner_Question_=96_passing_strings_to_subroutines?=

Another noob question. I want to be able to pass a fixed string to a subroutine but I can't find any examples on the web and my attempt fails to compile. The program currently looks like this: c-- c This program contains the following examples: c - a simple function that gets user input and returns it. c - a subroutine that prints out the string supplied as a parameter c-- program functions character name*20, get_string*20 name = get_string() call print_string(name) end program functions character*20 function get_string() cha

8/25/2010 6:30:12 AM 12 marktyers <markty...@gmail.com>
current status of gfortran vs g95

I tried f95 on a linux work station and it suggested I download gfortran and I did. It ran a "hello world" program fine, supported integer*8 and the bound checking flag works fine. Thats very cursory testing of course - I would love to hear others' comments and also where do gfortran and g95 stand in relation to each other currently.

8/25/2010 12:52:03 AM 20 "analys...@hotmail.com" <analys...@hotmail.com>
Returning strings from a function

I am trying to write a simple function that returns a string value. So far it looks like this: c-- c a simple function that gets user input and returns it. c-- program functions character name*20 name = get_string() end program functions character*20 function get_string() character name*20 write (*,'(a)',advance='no') 'Enter your name: ' read *,name get_string = name end I am new to Fortran and am puzzled over what I thought would be a simple task. I get the following error when I try to compile this

8/24/2010 8:24:11 PM 5 marktyers <markty...@gmail.com>
forrtl: 161 exceed array boundary in Compaq Visual Fortran 6.6

Hello. I am encountering the error: forrtl: 161 exceed array boundary when executing the following program (the first part of the code is included): program winsorized_t_amount USE t_test_ind_samp_mod USE rangen USE qsort_c_module implicit none INTEGER :: i, j, nx, ny, wins, cv, rep, lowertail, uppertail, nscenarios, nparameters REAL :: t_obt integer, allocatable, dimension (:):: ltsum, utsum REAL, ALLOCATABLE, DIMENSION (:):: x, y REAL, ALLOCATABLE, DIMENSION (:,:):: z REAL (KIND=8):: dseed Allocate (z(nscenarios, nparameters)) rep=1000000 open (1, file = 'rp.dat', statu

8/24/2010 6:13:41 PM 4 frtnprgmr <interview.respon...@gmail.com>
Self-referencing abstract interface - legal?

Hello, I happened to make a mistake in defining a set of abstract interfaces and one compiler that I use chokes on it, whereas another accepts it without any fuss. Looking more closely I found the error - the interface "compute_routine" refers to itself and I wanted a different interface. However, I wonder if this is at all legal. Here is the code in question (just the essential part): module computation_data implicit none type computation_method character(len=40) :: name procedure(compute_routine), pointer, nopass :: co

8/24/2010 10:57:43 AM 1 Arjen Markus <arjen.markus...@gmail.com>
Recursive & Stack Size

Hi all, I have a recursive subroutine that traverses a 3d mesh - theoretically the recursion can be as much as the upper limit of the cells in the mesh, currently 2^31-1. I am testing this upper limit and the program constantly crashed until I resized the stack-size. The resize was just a guess of mine since I saw that kind of fix in the newsgroup before - however I don't know why this is working. So what is the relationship with the recursive feature and the stack? Cheers -Ralf

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Library files for reading *.HDF files

Hello, everyone! I am working on processing satellite images made in *.HDF format. I have been working with Interactive Data Language (IDL). However, My research is focusing on water resources. Many hydrology and water quality models are developed by FORTRAN, and I think it is meaningful to write up FORTRAN source codes to process images for hydrological application on remote sensing in near future. In order to process satellite images with FORTRAN, I heard I need to have several library files (i.e.:read_hdf.f90 stuff like this). Where can I find this library files. Thanks. Harry

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Building BLAS with gfortran/MinGW

More or less as an excercise, I'm building the BLAS library on a Windows machine with the MinGW version of gfortran (4.5.0). I'm using the reference implementation of BLAS, available from www.netlib.org. Building the library isn't too great a problem. Initially I compiled all source files with the -O3 optimization switch. Compilation went fine, but when I ran the test programs supplied on Netlib, two of the level 1 BLAS tests failed. The following output was produced: Test of subprogram number 10 ICAMAX FAIL CASE N INCX

8/20/2010 4:38:16 PM 7 Erik Toussaint <u...@example.net.invalid>
call system in MS Fortran 5.1

Hi, I am having troubles regarding "call system" in MS Fortran 5.1. Simply, it doesn't work... I have copied the same code in Microsoft Fortran Power Station 4.0 and everything is working just fine. Linker in MS Fortran 5.1 is saying "error L2029: 'SYSTEM' : unresolved external" . I don't have a clue how to make it work in MS Fortran 5.1. Am I missing some libraries? Can anyone help me? Thank you! p.s. this is the line in my code: call system('c:\print.exe') and print.exe is just printing something on computer screen...

8/20/2010 12:38:57 PM 10 krivi <ivan.kriva...@gmail.com>
Advice on synchronisation and OpenMP

Hello, we have run into a problem with OpenMP and compiler optimisation. Here is a sketch of the code in question: $omp parallel $omp do private(run) do i = 1,notasks run = .false. do while ( .not. run ) run = .true. do task = 1,no_dependencies if ( .not. done(dependency(task)) ) then run = .false. exit endif enddo enddo ! Now we can proceed ... call work( ... ) enddo $omp end do $omp end parallel What we are trying to do is this: - We have a number of tasks,

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8/20/2010 6:01:34 AM 11 Terence <tbwri...@cantv.net>
silent loss of character data

Do later fortrans warn when this is done ? character*8 abcdedfg character*4 abcd abcdefgh = 'abcdefgh' abcd = abcdefgh We just got burned on this loss of data problem and our F77 compiler did not warn us. Should it have ? Thanks, Lynn

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thunderbird for cfl

This is not really a fortran question, but do anyone help me to access cfl via thunderbird/evilution? I am in linux

8/19/2010 5:22:04 AM 22 rudra <bnrj.ru...@gmail.com>
beginner question

Hi, I'm learning Fortran 77, and I have a little problem with I/O. In the following piece of code, the program calls a function u and writes its value on the output. If the "write" is done on a line after the call, I get two lines on output (as expected, I think). But when I write it as shown, then depending on the compiler the program crashes (saying I/O is already open), or prints everything on one line. Is there something wrong in writing code like this ? (e.g., is it forbidden by the standard ?) program test external u integer u,n n=10 wr

8/18/2010 5:57:33 PM 19 nobody <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
Automatically create generic interface for different kinds

I can create a generic interface for an identical procedure using different kinds, for example: module generic_interface interface norm module procedure snorm, dnorm end interface contains subroutine snorm(a) real(kind=4), intent(inout) :: a(:) a = a / sqrt(sum(a**2)) end subroutine subroutine dnorm(a) real(kind=8), intent(inout) :: a(:) a = a / sqrt(sum(a**2)) end subroutine end module Is there any way to automatically create a generic interface for all possible kinds without rewriting the entire su

8/18/2010 5:12:40 AM 5 JN <jnaltjREEMMOOV...@gmail.com>
how to assign a NaN?

I am reading data with lots of missing values and need a good way to be a ble to assign NaN to integer, real and character vars. the missing value is represented by an empty string '' ! two quotes without a space I am using gfortran which has the isnan(x) to check for nan. I hope there is a way to use a character representation of the NaN so then read(ch(1:2),*) myint,myreal will give me int and real nans from the same string in ch(1:2) thanks everybody.

8/17/2010 3:15:39 PM 17 xvtstephen <constantine.b...@gmail.com>
Space padding in DATE_AND_TIME

I typically use both g95 and gfortran when compiling new code, because each tends to find bugs the other doesn't. I just tripped up on something they do differently, which this trivial code fragment illustrates CHARACTER(LEN=12) :: date, time CALL DATE_AND_TIME(date, time) Using g95 the variables are both returned with spaces filling the unused character positions; with gfortran the unused positions are filled with junk (probably whatever was in there already). TRIM() when writing them obviously doesn't help. Naturally I can reduce these variables to the right length fo

8/17/2010 12:35:43 PM 3 Clive Page <j...@nospam.net>
problem with compiling under G77

Just a short note. I re-wrote the discussed Earthquake data processing program written in Fortan IV for the CDC 6400 in 1978. I finally compiled this with my F77 compiler, linked and ran and it gave the exact same reports, plots and tables as it was expected to. I had kept the intended user abreast of the compile tests (my tentaive version being tested by him because it was initially too large for my compiler to completely compile OR finally link). So after the first crude compile problems were remotely tested with G77 and the error listing information returned to me, I was able

8/17/2010 11:33:40 AM 9 Terence <tbwri...@cantv.net>

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