#### Email Script

I'm using the following script on my web site.  I have done this in
order to keep web spider programs from harvesting my email address.

I want to have the "Subject" line filled in also.

Does anyone know how I can do that?

Thanks

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<script language="javascript">

<!--

var contact = " Contact MySiteName"

var email = "myname"

var emailHost = "MySiteName.com"

document.write("<a href=" + "mail" + "to:" + email + "@" +
emailHost+ ">" + contact + "</a>")

//-->

</script>


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In article <tde3m010ivbsatsvcb1gr5rofbqjtuteaf@4ax.com>, TomatoeMan
says...
> I'm using the following script on my web site.  I have done this in
> order to keep web spider programs from harvesting my email address.
>
> I want to have the "Subject" line filled in also.
>
> Does anyone know how I can do that?

Use a server-side form handler.  Trying it with mailto won't work.

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Hywel
10/4/2004 9:07:46 PM
On 4/10/04 9:59 pm, TomatoeMan wrote:

> I'm using the following script on my web site.  I have done this in
> order to keep web spider programs from harvesting my email address.
>
> I want to have the "Subject" line filled in also.
>
> Does anyone know how I can do that?

Basically you need to form a link with an href that looks like this:

mailto:me@my.domain.com?subject=This%20is%20the%20subject
(Note: you have to use "%20" instead of spaces in the subject line)

But beware. There appear to be robots out there that can extract email
addresses from simple Javascripts like this. You would be better off using a
stronger form of scrambling. Here's one you could try:

<http://freespace.virgin.net/phil.ronan/scramble.html>

Hope that helps.

Phil

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Philip
10/4/2004 9:09:40 PM
JRS:  In article <BD877AA4.22E6F%phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net>, dated Mon, 4
Oct 2004 22:09:40, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript, Philip Ronan
<phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net> posted :
>On 4/10/04 9:59 pm, TomatoeMan wrote:
>
>> I'm using the following script on my web site.  I have done this in
>> order to keep web spider programs from harvesting my email address.
>>
>> I want to have the "Subject" line filled in also.
>>
>> Does anyone know how I can do that?
>
>Basically you need to form a link with an href that looks like this:
>
>mailto:me@my.domain.com?subject=This%20is%20the%20subject
>(Note: you have to use "%20" instead of spaces in the subject line)

This question, too, should be a <FAQENTRY>, to point out that mailto:...
can only work on systems with an appropriately-configured browser-mailer
interface (and that not all of those can do Subject).

Moreover, the person who wants to send mail is not necessarily the
person who "owns" the browser.

Therefore, there should always be a means of giving the E-mail address
independently of mailto:.

One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, it
demonstrably does work.

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Dr
10/5/2004 2:01:35 PM
Dr John Stockton wrote:

<--snip-->

> One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, it
> demonstrably does work.

I don't recall reading very many posts where it was said that mailto:
does not work, but I have read many many posts where it was said that it
was unreliable, since it is unreliable in a web environment.

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Randy
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Randy
10/5/2004 10:14:04 PM
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Dr John Stockton wrote:

> JRS: In article <BD877AA4.22E6F%phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net>, dated Mon, 4
> Oct 2004 22:09:40, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript, Philip Ronan
> <phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net> posted :
>
>> On 4/10/04 9:59 pm, TomatoeMan wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using the following script on my web site. I have done this in
>>> order to keep web spider programs from harvesting my email address.
>>>
>>> I want to have the "Subject" line filled in also.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how I can do that?
>>
>> Basically you need to form a link with an href that looks like this:
>>
>> mailto:me@my.domain.com?subject=This%20is%20the%20subject
>> (Note: you have to use "%20" instead of spaces in the subject line)
>
> This question, too, should be a <FAQENTRY>, to point out that
> mailto:... can only work on systems with an appropriately-configured
> browser-mailer interface (and that not all of those can do Subject).

Really? Again I implore, which lame brain browser-mailer interfaces fail

> Moreover, the person who wants to send mail is not necessarily the
> person who "owns" the browser.

What does that mean? Is not the person who wants to send mail the person
who just clicked the mailto link? If not then who is that person?!?

> Therefore, there should always be a means of giving the E-mail address
> independently of mailto:.

I disagree.

> One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, it
> demonstrably does work.

For all users it should work as it is part of the standard, no? For any
user which it doesn't work then they are using non-standard compliant
software, no?
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Dr John Stockton wrote:
<blockquote cite="midehtrEpI$kqYBFweg@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">JRS: In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:BD877AA4.22E6F%phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net">&lt;BD877AA4.22E6F%phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net&gt;</a>, dated Mon, 4<br> Oct 2004 22:09:40, seen in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:comp.lang.javascript">news:comp.lang.javascript</a>, Philip Ronan<br> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net">&lt;phil.ronanzzz@virgin.net&gt;</a> posted :<br> <blockquote type="cite">On 4/10/04 9:59 pm, TomatoeMan wrote:<br> <blockquote type="cite">I'm using the following script on my web site. I have done this in order to keep web spider programs from harvesting my email address.<br> <br> I want to have the "Subject" line filled in also.<br> <br> Does anyone know how I can do that?<br> </blockquote> Basically you need to form a link with an href that looks like this:<br> <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:me@my.domain.com?subject=This%20is%20the%20subject">mailto:me@my.domain.com?subject=This%20is%20the%20subject</a><br> (Note: you have to use "%20" instead of spaces in the subject line)<br> </blockquote> <!---->This question, too, should be a &lt;FAQENTRY&gt;, to point out that mailto:... can only work on systems with an appropriately-configured browser-mailer interface (and that not all of those can do Subject).<br> </blockquote> Really? Again I implore, which lame brain browser-mailer interfaces fail at this task? <br> <blockquote cite="midehtrEpI$kqYBFweg@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">Moreover,
the person who wants to send mail is not necessarily the person who
"owns" the browser.<br>
</blockquote>
What does that mean? Is not the person who wants to send mail the
person who just clicked the mailto link? If not then who is that
person?!?<br>
<blockquote cite="midehtrEpI$kqYBFweg@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">Therefore, there should always be a means of giving the E-mail address independently of mailto:.<br> </blockquote> I disagree.<br> <blockquote cite="midehtrEpI$kqYBFweg@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">One
should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, it
demonstrably does work.<br>
</blockquote>
For all users it should work as it is part of the standard, no? For any
user which it doesn't work then they are using non-standard compliant
software, no?<br>
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Andrew
10/6/2004 12:37:19 AM
JRS:  In article <ycOdndSwb-Q-gf7cRVn-pQ@comcast.com>, dated Tue, 5 Oct
2004 18:14:04, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript, Randy Webb
<HikksNotAtHome@aol.com> posted :
>Dr John Stockton wrote:
>
><--snip-->
>
>> One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, it
>> demonstrably does work.
>
>I don't recall reading very many posts where it was said that mailto:
>does not work,

I recall seeing enough to justify the warning.

> but I have read many many posts where it was said that it
>was unreliable, since it is unreliable in a web environment.

Agreed.

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Dr
10/6/2004 1:40:05 PM
JRS:  In article <22251$41633db1$c09cfcf$19738@msgid.meganewsservers.com >, dated Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:37:19, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript, Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> posted : Don't post HTML or multipart - see FAQ 2.3. > Dr John Stockton wrote: >> This question, too, should be a <FAQENTRY>, to point out that >> mailto:... can only work on systems with an >> appropriately-configured browser-mailer interface (and that not >> all of those can do Subject). > Really? Again I implore, which lame brain browser-mailer interfaces > fail at this task? Any where the browser and mailer have not been configured to interact, or whose interaction has been de-configured. I do not want my browser to interact with my mail system, except by a trusted mechanism, which means one independent of MS. My browser does not know my E-mail address; my mail/news system is from a different, trusted supplier who is reliably security-conscious; therefore I allow mailto: to start, but of course not send, E-mail. >> Moreover, the person who wants to send mail is not necessarily >> the person who "owns" the browser. > What does that mean? Is not the person who wants to send mail the > person who just clicked the mailto link? If not then who is that > person?!? Who knows? it is the person holding the mouse. The computer may belong to someone else entirely; a family member, a friend, the Public Library, the school. It does not necessarily know the E-mail address of the putative sender; its owner is not necessarily willing to provide mail- sending to the current user. And the current user may want to send mail to the web page owner, but not from his current location. >> Therefore, there should always be a means of giving the E-mail >> address independently of mailto:. > I disagree. You have not successfully applied adequate thought and understanding to the matter. >> One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, >> it demonstrably does work. > For all users it should work as it is part of the standard, no? For > any user which it doesn't work then they are using non-standard > compliant software, no? Yhnsaatauttm. -- � John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v4.00 IE 4 � <URL:http://www.jibbering.com/faq/> JL/RC: FAQ of news:comp.lang.javascript <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-index.htm> jscr maths, dates, sources. <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/jscr/&c, FAQ items, links.   0 Dr 10/6/2004 1:52:03 PM Andrew DeFaria wrote: > Dr John Stockton wrote: <--snip--> >> This question, too, should be a <FAQENTRY>, to point out that >> mailto:... can only work on systems with an appropriately-configured >> browser-mailer interface (and that not all of those can do Subject). > > > Really? Again I implore, which lame brain browser-mailer interfaces fail > at this task? See my other reply to you. >> Moreover, the person who wants to send mail is not necessarily the >> person who "owns" the browser. > > What does that mean? Is not the person who wants to send mail the person > who just clicked the mailto link? If not then who is that person?!? You are confusing the user with the "owner" of the browser. Go in an Internet Cafe, click a mailto:, who owns the computer/browser? >> Therefore, there should always be a means of giving the E-mail address >> independently of mailto:. > > > I disagree. > >> One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, it >> demonstrably does work. > > For all users it should work as it is part of the standard, no? For any > user which it doesn't work then they are using non-standard compliant > software, no? Can you quote that "standard"? And, can you give a list of "standard compliant software"? I have 7 browsers, mailto: does not work in a single one. Which one isnt standards compliant? -- Randy comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq   0 Randy 10/6/2004 5:14:23 PM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040803090309050005020101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dr John Stockton wrote: > JRS: In article <22251$41633db1$c09cfcf$19738@msgid.meganewsservers.com
>
>> , dated Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:37:19, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript,
>
> Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> posted :
>
> Don't post HTML or multipart - see FAQ 2.3.

Ah, no. End of discussion.

>> Dr John Stockton wrote:
>
>
>>> This question, too, should be a <FAQENTRY>, to point out that
>>> mailto:... can only work on systems with an
>>> appropriately-configured browser-mailer interface (and that not
>>> all of those can do Subject).
>>
>> Really? Again I implore, which lame brain browser-mailer interfaces
>
> Any where the browser and mailer have not been configured to interact,
> or whose interaction has been de-configured.

Every email client I've seen comes configured to handle mailto links.

> I do not want my browser to interact with my mail system, except by a
> trusted mechanism, which means one independent of MS.

Then get one that is independent of MS. Try Thunderbird. Switch to
Linux. Otherwise you are explicitly saying you don't want mailto links
to work. Fine. Then they won't for you.

> My browser does not know my E-mail address;

So?

> my mail/news system is from a different, trusted supplier who is
> reliably security-conscious; therefore I allow mailto: to start, but
> of course not send, E-mail.

That's all a mailto link does anyway!

>>> Moreover, the person who wants to send mail is not necessarily the
>>> person who "owns" the browser.
>>
>> What does that mean? Is not the person who wants to send mail the
>> person who just clicked the mailto link? If not then who is that
>> person?!?
>
> Who knows? it is the person holding the mouse. The computer may belong
> to someone else entirely; a family member, a friend, the Public
> Library, the school. It does not necessarily know the E-mail address
> of the putative sender; its owner is not necessarily willing to
> provide mail-sending to the current user. And the current user may
> want to send mail to the web page owner, but not from his current
> location.

Then mailto functionality is not for you I guess. But it's better than
form based email by far IMHO.

>>> Therefore, there should always be a means of giving the E-mail
>>
>> I disagree.
>
> You have not successfully applied adequate thought and understanding
> to the matter.

Funny I was gonna say the same thing about you!

>>> One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users,
>>> it demonstrably does work.
>>
>> For all users it should work as it is part of the standard, no? For
>> any user which it doesn't work then they are using non-standard
>> compliant software, no?
>
> Yhnsaatauttm.

Whatever dude...
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Dr John Stockton wrote:
<blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">JRS: In article &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:22251$41633db1$c09cfcf$19738@msgid.meganewsservers.com">22251$41633db1$c09cfcf$19738@msgid.meganewsservers.com</a><br> <blockquote type="cite">, dated Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:37:19, seen in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:comp.lang.javascript">news:comp.lang.javascript</a>,<br> </blockquote> <!---->Andrew DeFaria <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew@DeFaria.com">&lt;Andrew@DeFaria.com&gt;</a> posted :<br> <br> Don't post HTML or multipart - see FAQ 2.3.<br> </blockquote> Ah, no. End of discussion.<br> <blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"> Dr John Stockton wrote: <br>
</blockquote>
<!----><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"> This question, too, should be a
&lt;FAQENTRY&gt;, to point out that <br>
mailto:... can only work on systems with an <br>
appropriately-configured browser-mailer interface (and that not <br>
all of those can do Subject).<br>
</blockquote>
Really? Again I implore, which lame brain browser-mailer interfaces <br>
</blockquote>
Any where the browser and mailer have not been configured to interact,
or whose interaction has been de-configured. </blockquote>
Every email client I've seen comes configured to handle mailto links.<br>
<blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">I do not want my browser to interact with my mail system, except by a trusted mechanism, which means one independent of MS. </blockquote> Then get one that is independent of MS. Try Thunderbird. Switch to Linux. Otherwise you are explicitly saying you don't want mailto links to work. Fine. Then they won't for you.<br> <blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">My
browser does not know my E-mail address; </blockquote>
So?<br>
<blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">my mail/news system is from a different, trusted supplier who is reliably security-conscious; therefore I allow mailto: to start, but of course not send, E-mail.<br> </blockquote> That's all a mailto link does anyway!<br> <blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"> Moreover, the person who wants to send
mail is not necessarily the person who "owns" the browser.<br>
</blockquote>
What does that mean? Is not the person who wants to send mail the
person who just clicked the mailto link? If not then who is that
person?!?<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->Who knows? it is the person holding the mouse. The computer may
belong to someone else entirely; a family member, a friend, the Public
Library, the school. It does not necessarily know the E-mail address of
the putative sender; its owner is not necessarily willing to provide
mail-sending to the current user. And the current user may want to send
mail to the web page owner, but not from his current location.<br>
</blockquote>
Then mailto functionality is not for you I guess. But it's better than
form based email by far IMHO.<br>
<blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"> Therefore, there should always be a means of giving the E-mail address independently of mailto:.<br> </blockquote> I disagree.<br> </blockquote> <!---->You have not successfully applied adequate thought and understanding to the matter.<br> </blockquote> Funny I was gonna say the same thing about you!<br> <blockquote cite="midI0C+xqJDi$YBFwMM@merlyn.demon.co.uk" type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"> One should never say that mailto: does not
work; for many users, <br>
it demonstrably does work.<br>
</blockquote>
For all users it should work as it is part of the standard, no? For <br>
any user which it doesn't work then they are using non-standard <br>
compliant software, no?<br>
</blockquote>
Yhnsaatauttm.<br>
</blockquote>
Whatever dude...<br>
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Andrew
10/6/2004 9:45:55 PM
Randy Webb wrote:

>> Really? Again I implore, which lame brain browser-mailer interfaces
>
> See my other reply to you.

Yeah and see my reply to you. Works great for me.

>>> Moreover, the person who wants to send mail is not necessarily the
>>> person who "owns" the browser.
>>
>> What does that mean? Is not the person who wants to send mail the
>> person who just clicked the mailto link? If not then who is that
>> person?!?
>
> You are confusing the user with the "owner" of the browser. Go in an
> Internet Cafe, click a mailto:, who owns the computer/browser?

I'd believe the owner would be the Internet Cafe owner, no? I would
suspect that the email client would pop up, probably incorrectly
configured. Configure it!

>>> One should never say that mailto: does not work; for many users, it
>>> demonstrably does work.
>>
>> For all users it should work as it is part of the standard, no? For
>> any user which it doesn't work then they are using non-standard
>> compliant software, no?
>
> Can you quote that "standard"?

Sure: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2368.html

> And, can you give a list of "standard compliant software"?

The list would include all software that comply with the standard in
question.

> I have 7 browsers, mailto: does not work in a single one. Which one
> isnt standards compliant?

Again, sorry it doesn't work in any of your browsers. I use some of the
same browsers and they all work just fine for me. I guess the real
question is why isn't it working for you? I guess I'll ask the standard
question that I do of all people who fail to give details about their
problem: What was the first indication that you had that it failed? ;-)
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Andrew
10/6/2004 9:55:29 PM
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:55:29 -0700, Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
wrote:

> Randy Webb wrote:

[snip]

>> You are confusing the user with the "owner" of the browser. Go in an
>> Internet Cafe, click a mailto:, who owns the computer/browser?
>
> I'd believe the owner would be the Internet Cafe owner, no? I would
> suspect that the email client would pop up, probably incorrectly
> configured. Configure it!

And how do you propose that that is done? Create an account for every
single person that uses the service? Not likely.

Either you are unable to understand the intrinsic unreliability of the
mailto: protocol, or you are simply unwilling. Either way, stop wasting
our time. Do you have nothing better to do than troll this group?

[snip]

>> Can you quote that "standard"?
>
> Sure: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2368.html

That's an RFC, not a standard. If you actually did as instructed and read
STD 1 (currently RFC 3700, I believe), you would see that RFC 2368 is
nothing more than a proposed standard; the first stage of standardisation.
The Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) do not recommend that
proposed standards are implemented as they may change before reaching
maturity.

To me, it suggests something quite significant when a Standards Track RFC
has remained at the proposal stage for over six years.

[snip]

Mike

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Michael
10/7/2004 9:22:26 AM
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:45:55 -0700, Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
wrote:

> Dr John Stockton wrote:

[snip]

>> Don't post HTML or multipart - see FAQ 2.3.
>
> Ah, no. End of discussion.

Umm, yes. This is a text-only newsgroup.

[snip]

Mike

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Michael
10/7/2004 9:26:42 AM
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:26:42 GMT, Michael Winter wrote:

> Umm, yes. This is a text-only newsgroup.

Heck yes.  My ISP's news server does it for me

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Andrew
10/7/2004 10:03:45 AM
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:03:45 GMT, Andrew Thompson <SeeMySites@www.invalid>
wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:26:42 GMT, Michael Winter wrote:
>
>> Umm, yes. This is a text-only newsgroup.
>
> Heck yes.  My ISP's news server does it for me

My ISP provides two News servers - one is for binaries, the other is for
text. Guess which one I use.

Mike

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Michael
10/7/2004 10:28:39 AM
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:28:39 GMT, Michael Winter wrote:

> My ISP provides two News servers - one is for binaries, the other is for
> text. Guess which one I use.

Do I get a  ( attach \ \ ments )  T-shirt if I get it right?

...that above is intended to be one of those 'red circle
with a diagonal line crossing out word' thingy symbols,
...what is it?  Oh, yeah ..NOT.

Or mebe that should be a plain ol' ( detachments )         ;-)

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Andrew
10/7/2004 12:30:27 PM
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:30:27 GMT, Andrew Thompson <SeeMySites@www.invalid>
wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:28:39 GMT, Michael Winter wrote:
>
>> My ISP provides two News servers - one is for binaries, the other is
>> for text. Guess which one I use.
>
> Do I get a  ( attach \ \ ments )  T-shirt if I get it right?

Hehe  :P

[snip]

Mike

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Michael
10/7/2004 1:47:00 PM
Michael Winter wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:55:29 -0700, Andrew DeFaria
> <Andrew@DeFaria.com>  wrote:
>
>> Randy Webb wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> You are confusing the user with the "owner" of the browser. Go in
>>> an  Internet Cafe, click a mailto:, who owns the computer/browser?
>>
>>
>> I'd believe the owner would be the Internet Cafe owner, no? I would
>> suspect that the email client would pop up, probably incorrectly
>> configured. Configure it!
>
> And how do you propose that that is done? Create an account for every
> single person that uses the service? Not likely.

Did I suggest that the internet cafe owner configure it? No. I was at an
internet cafe once in a foreign land. You're right, it came up not
configured for me (I didn't necessarily click a mailto link though).
What did I do? (Horrors). I configured it for myself and sent my email.
No big deal!

> Either you are unable to understand the intrinsic unreliability of
> the  mailto: protocol, or you are simply unwilling. Either way, stop
> wasting  our time. Do you have nothing better to do than troll this
> group?

I'm not trolling - I'm simply expressing my opinion on this - just like
you. Sorry you seem to have so much of a problem with that!

>>> Can you quote that "standard"?
>>
>> Sure: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2368.html
>
> That's an RFC, not a standard. If you actually did as instructed and
> read  STD 1 (currently RFC 3700, I believe), you would see that RFC
> 2368 is  nothing more than a proposed standard; the first stage of
> standardisation.  The Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) do
> not recommend that  proposed standards are implemented as they may
> change before reaching  maturity.

There are many RFC's that do not reach maturity and yet are referred to
as standards. The good thing about standards are that there are so many
to choose from!
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Andrew
10/7/2004 4:13:59 PM
Michael Winter wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:45:55 -0700, Andrew DeFaria
> <Andrew@DeFaria.com>  wrote:
>
>> Dr John Stockton wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Don't post HTML or multipart - see FAQ 2.3.
>>
>> Ah, no. End of discussion.
>
> Umm, yes. This is a text-only newsgroup.

Ah, no. Like I said - end of discussion. If you wish to discuss this
issue then you can discuss it amongst yourselves. I have no interest in
debating this with you
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Andrew
10/7/2004 4:15:57 PM
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:13:59 -0700, Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com>
wrote:

[snip]

> Did I suggest that the internet cafe owner configure it? No. I was at an
> internet cafe once in a foreign land. You're right, it came up not
> configured for me (I didn't necessarily click a mailto link though).
> What did I do? (Horrors). I configured it for myself and sent my email.
> No big deal!

And if customers in other places aren't given permission to do that? This
isn't about what you can do. This is about the reliability of a protocol
that obviously fails in some situations where it is beyond the user's
ability to correct.

[MW:]
>> Either you are unable to understand the intrinsic unreliability of the
>> mailto: protocol, or you are simply unwilling. Either way, stop wasting
>> our time. Do you have nothing better to do than troll this group?
>
> I'm not trolling - I'm simply expressing my opinion on this - just like
> you. Sorry you seem to have so much of a problem with that!

The problem that I have is that you're missing the point, seemingly on
purpose. The argument as presented is that mailto: is not reliable on all
configurations. Therefore, as the only form of feedback on websites, or
other similar uses, it is not appropriate.

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that form mail should only ever be
used in such situations, that is a mailto: link can be provided, but as
form mail is more reliable it should be the first choice. As free public
services are provided, there is no reason why this cannot be the case.

At one point in a different thread, you seemed to be under the impression
that we're talking about an e-mail conversation, in which form mail is
obviously unsuitable. However, no-one else is approaching it from that
position. It is this deviation from what seems a straight-forward subject
that I object to.

[snip]

Mike

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Michael
10/7/2004 5:18:03 PM
Michael Winter wrote:

>> Did I suggest that the internet cafe owner configure it? No. I was at
>> an  internet cafe once in a foreign land. You're right, it came up
>> not  configured for me (I didn't necessarily click a mailto link
>> though).  What did I do? (Horrors). I configured it for myself and
>> sent my email.  No big deal!
>
> And if customers in other places aren't given permission to do that?

Find a better Internet Cafe! ;-)

> The problem that I have is that you're missing the point, seemingly
> on  purpose. The argument as presented is that mailto: is not reliable
> on all  configurations. Therefore, as the only form of feedback on
> websites, or  other similar uses, it is not appropriate.
>
> I don't think that anyone is suggesting that form mail should only
> ever be  used in such situations, that is a mailto: link can be
> provided, but as  form mail is more reliable it should be the first
> choice. As free public  services are provided, there is no reason why
> this cannot be the case.

I'd be happy if there were always an mailto link as an alternative.
Companies hide behind email forms, force fitting you into little
quite simply just does not fit the form. Often they never respond to
your email anyway (and regardless if mailto is more or less reliable
than web form based email, communication is a two way street and if they
don't respond then even web based form email is as "reliable" as a mis
configured client and a mailto tag!) Additionally form mail is extremely
limited and often cumbersome to use. And it's not like I have not had
many times when form mail simple does not work - anything from server
errors to browser errors to whatever.

> At one point in a different thread, you seemed to be under the
> impression  that we're talking about an e-mail conversation, in which
> form mail is  obviously unsuitable. However, no-one else is
> approaching it from that  position. It is this deviation from what
> seems a straight-forward subject  that I object to.

I've only ever said that mailto links were good for email conversations!
Obviously mailto links are not designed to be used in web form data
gathering application.

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Andrew
10/7/2004 10:15:35 PM
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