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#### '<?' versus '<?php'

Hi folks,

I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
Yikes!

The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
thing.

So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.

JG

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jerrygarciuh wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
> Yikes!
>
> The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
> thing.
>
> So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
> is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we > used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
>
>
> JG
>

This is PHP short_open_tag setting in your php.ini file.  In PHP5 it is
set to off.

Off is recommended because the short tag can cause problems with xml,
which uses the same tags.

It also means you can't use the <?= syntax.

On Apache, you can override this in your .htaccess file, if the host
allows it.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================


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jstucklex (14659)
10/23/2008 8:42:37 PM
jerrygarciuh wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
> Yikes!
>
> The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
> thing.
>
> So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
> is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we > used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
>
>
> JG

The short_open_tag option is a PHP configuration option in php.ini.
It's not reliable or portable to rely upon the availability of short
tags. The <?=$foo?> syntax relies upon short tags. It's not a problem with PHP5, it just depends on how PHP is configured. -- Curtis   0 dyer85 (342) 10/23/2008 8:52:03 PM jerrygarciuh wrote: > Hi folks, > > I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ? >> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser. Just use sed or awk to change all instances of "<?" to "<?php". You don't want short tags.   0 arestes (103) 10/23/2008 9:31:19 PM Hugh Oxford wrote: > jerrygarciuh wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ? >>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser. > > Just use sed or awk to change all instances of "<?" to "<?php". You > don't want short tags. Don't forget about the <?=$foo?> syntax, it's not as simple as just
changing "<?" to "<?php". Something equivalent would be:

<?php echo $foo; ?> -- Curtis   0 dyer85 (342) 10/24/2008 12:17:48 AM On Oct 23, 3:52 pm, Curtis <dye...@gmail.com> wrote: > jerrygarciuh wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ? > >> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser. > > Yikes! > > > The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5 > > thing. > > > So my question to you: is <?php going to become required? And if it > > is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?>  as we
> > used to <?=$bar?> ? As that was broken too. > > > Thanks for any advice, > > > JG > > The short_open_tag option is a PHP configuration option in php.ini. > It's not reliable or portable to rely upon the availability of short > tags. The <?=$foo?> syntax relies upon short tags.
>
> It's not a problem with PHP5, it just depends on how PHP is configured.
> --
> Curtis

Thanks Curtis, I'll definitely bear this in mind going forward.

JG


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10/24/2008 12:29:18 AM
On Oct 23, 4:31 pm, Hugh Oxford <ares...@fas.com> wrote:
> jerrygarciuh wrote:
> > Hi folks,
>
> > I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
> >> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
>
> Just use sed or awk to change all instances of "<?" to "<?php". You
> don't want short tags.

Thanks for the reply.  I used UltraEdit locally and re-upped.

JG


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10/24/2008 12:30:13 AM
On Oct 23, 3:42 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> jerrygarciuh wrote:
> > Hi folks,
>
> > I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
> >> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
> > Yikes!
>
> > The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
> > thing.
>
> > So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
> > is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we > > used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
>
> > Thanks for any advice,
>
> > JG
>
> This is PHP short_open_tag setting in your php.ini file.  In PHP5 it is
> set to off.
>
> Off is recommended because the short tag can cause problems with xml,
> which uses the same tags.
>
> It also means you can't use the <?= syntax.
>
> On Apache, you can override this in your .htaccess file, if the host
> allows it.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

Thanks Jerry! You are always the man with the answers in clphp!  If
you find yourself in New Orleans I owe you some beers!

JG

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10/24/2008 12:31:59 AM
On Oct 23, 7:17 pm, Curtis <dye...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hugh Oxford wrote:
> > jerrygarciuh wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
>
> >> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
> >>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
>
> > Just use sed or awk to change all instances of "<?" to "<?php". You
> > don't want short tags.
>
> Don't forget about the <?=$foo?> syntax, it's not as simple as just > changing "<?" to "<?php". Something equivalent would be: > > <?php echo$foo; ?>
> --
> Curtis

Thanks

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10/24/2008 12:32:43 AM
jerrygarciuh wrote:
> On Oct 23, 3:42 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> jerrygarciuh wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
>>>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
>>> Yikes!
>>> The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
>>> thing.
>>> So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
>>> is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we >>> used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
>>> JG
>> This is PHP short_open_tag setting in your php.ini file.  In PHP5 it is
>> set to off.
>>
>> Off is recommended because the short tag can cause problems with xml,
>> which uses the same tags.
>>
>> It also means you can't use the <?= syntax.
>>
>> On Apache, you can override this in your .htaccess file, if the host
>> allows it.
>>
>> --
>> ==================
>> Remove the "x" from my email address
>> Jerry Stuckle
>> JDS Computer Training Corp.
>> jstuck...@attglobal.net
>> ==================
>
> Thanks Jerry! You are always the man with the answers in clphp!  If
> you find yourself in New Orleans I owe you some beers!
>
> JG
>

Ah, yes, New Orleans.  One of my favorite cities.  Is Pat O'Brians back

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================


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jstucklex (14659)
10/24/2008 1:48:01 AM
On Oct 23, 6:49 pm, FutureShock <futuresho...@att.net> wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > jerrygarciuh wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
>
> >> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
> >>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
> >> Yikes!
>
> >> The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
> >> thing.
>
> >> So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
> >> is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we > >> used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
>
> >> Thanks for any advice,
>
> >> JG
>
> > This is PHP short_open_tag setting in your php.ini file.  In PHP5 it is
> > set to off.
>
> > Off is recommended because the short tag can cause problems with xml,
> > which uses the same tags.
>
> > It also means you can't use the <?= syntax.
>
> > On Apache, you can override this in your .htaccess file, if the host
> > allows it.
>
> I think what is really disturbing is he stated that his sysadmins did
> not know what the problem was.

I guess one could argue that this is a programming question, not a
sysadmin question. Though that is not a sysadmin I'd want on any of my
projects.


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lkrubner (905)
10/24/2008 6:31:17 PM
On Oct 23, 8:48 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> jerrygarciuh wrote:
> > On Oct 23, 3:42 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> jerrygarciuh wrote:
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
> >>>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
> >>> Yikes!
> >>> The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
> >>> thing.
> >>> So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
> >>> is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we > >>> used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
> >>> Thanks for any advice,
> >>> JG
> >> This is PHP short_open_tag setting in your php.ini file.  In PHP5 it is
> >> set to off.
>
> >> Off is recommended because the short tag can cause problems with xml,
> >> which uses the same tags.
>
> >> It also means you can't use the <?= syntax.
>
> >> On Apache, you can override this in your .htaccess file, if the host
> >> allows it.
>
> >> --
> >> ==================
> >> Remove the "x" from my email address
> >> Jerry Stuckle
> >> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> >> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> >> ==================
>
> > Thanks Jerry! You are always the man with the answers in clphp!  If
> > you find yourself in New Orleans I owe you some beers!
>
> > JG
>
> Ah, yes, New Orleans.  One of my favorite cities.  Is Pat O'Brians back
> in business after Katrina? :-)
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstuck...@attglobal.net
> ==================

I don't think Pat O's was ever out of business!  ;-)

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10/24/2008 11:24:07 PM
lawrence k wrote:
> On Oct 23, 6:49 pm, FutureShock <futuresho...@att.net> wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> jerrygarciuh wrote:
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
>>>>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
>>>> Yikes!
>>>> The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
>>>> thing.
>>>> So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
>>>> is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we >>>> used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
>>>> JG
>>> This is PHP short_open_tag setting in your php.ini file.  In PHP5 it is
>>> set to off.
>>> Off is recommended because the short tag can cause problems with xml,
>>> which uses the same tags.
>>> It also means you can't use the <?= syntax.
>>> On Apache, you can override this in your .htaccess file, if the host
>>> allows it.
>> I think what is really disturbing is he stated that his sysadmins did
>> not know what the problem was.
>
>
> I guess one could argue that this is a programming question, not a
> sysadmin question. Though that is not a sysadmin I'd want on any of my
> projects.
>
Thats what I was thinking. But I suppose it happens.

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futureshockx (139)
10/25/2008 12:16:40 AM
lawrence k wrote:
> On Oct 23, 6:49 pm, FutureShock <futuresho...@att.net> wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> jerrygarciuh wrote:
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> I recently ran into a PHP5 install that rejects the idiom, <? // code ?
>>>>> and in fact renders that in the output that is sent to the browser.
>>>> Yikes!
>>>> The sysadmins could not say why this was but suggested it was a PHP5
>>>> thing.
>>>> So my question to you: is <?php going to become required?  And if it
>>>> is will we not be allowed to echo by the shorthand <?php=$foo?> as we >>>> used to <?=$bar?> ?    As that was broken too.
>>>> JG
>>> This is PHP short_open_tag setting in your php.ini file.  In PHP5 it is
>>> set to off.
>>> Off is recommended because the short tag can cause problems with xml,
>>> which uses the same tags.
>>> It also means you can't use the <?= syntax.
>>> On Apache, you can override this in your .htaccess file, if the host
>>> allows it.
>> I think what is really disturbing is he stated that his sysadmins did
>> not know what the problem was.
>
>
> I guess one could argue that this is a programming question, not a
> sysadmin question. Though that is not a sysadmin I'd want on any of my
> projects.
>

Although I have no sys admin experience, I would think any decent sys
admin should understand how to appropriately configure software on the
server(s) for which they are responsible. The apparent lack of
adeptness of the OP's sys admins does not bode well for future problems.

Also, it seems as if at least some minimal programming experience
overlaps, in that they should probably know how to write shell/batch
scripts. Perl is also popular among sys admins, from what I've read...
--
Curtis

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dyer85 (342)
10/25/2008 8:45:40 AM

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I never came across that abbreviation before (although I have been around on the USENET for quite some time) but maybe it is worth knowing? Josef 'Jupp' Schugt NOTE: mails >100 KiB are ignored -- German edition of comp.lang.ruby FAQ - http://oss.erdfunkstelle.de/ruby/ Aurox Linux - http://qurl.net/7q | http://qurl.net/7r - Firefox Thunderbird - http://qurl.net/7s | http://qurl.net/7t - Liferea Enigmail - http://qurl.net/7u | http://qurl.net/7v - GnuPG [Josef 'Jupp' Schugt <jupp@gmx.de>, 2004-12-10 23.20 CET] > I don't think that this is the intended meaning so what actually *does* > '[OFF]' mean? Off-topic. ... Does '!=' equivelent to 'is not' I'm a bit confusing about whether "is not" equivelent to "!=" if a != b: ... if a is not b: ... What's the difference between "is not" and "!=" or they are the same thing? pirata wrote: > I'm a bit confusing about whether "is not" equivelent to "!=" > > if a != b: > ... > > if a is not b: > ... > > > What's the difference between "is not" and "!=" or they are the same thing? No, they are not the same thing. == and != test to see if the *value* of two variables are the same. Like so: >>> a = 'hello world' >>> b = 'hello world' >>> a == b True a and b both have the value of 'hello world', so they are equal is and is not, however, do not test for value equivalence, they test for object identity. In other words, they test to see if the object the two variables reference are the same object in memory, like so: >>> a is b False a and b are assigned to two different objects that happen to have the same value, but nevertheless there are two separate 'hello world' objects in memory, and therefore you cannot say that a *is* b Now look at this: >>> c = d = 'hello world' >>> c == d True >>> c is d True In this case, they are again the same value, but now the is test also shows that they are the same *object* as well, because... 'a'..'z' Is it possible to achieve something like this? switch (mystring.charAt(0)) { case 'a'..'z': // do something break; } "cruster" <cruster@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1151319731.988814.326200@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Is it possible to achieve something like this? > > switch (mystring.charAt(0)) { > case 'a'..'z': > // do something > break; > } > There are times when an if statement may be more appropriate ;) Sorry - java is not VB :) -- LTP :) cruster schreef: > Is it possible to achieve somethi... '!' vs. '.' Is there an advantage to using the '!' notation to represent form/ control relationships? (eg. Me!text1 vs Me.text1) I am currently using the '.' notation exclusively (for code completion in the VB Editor), but much of the high-quality code that I've seen (in Duane Hookom's Query-by-Form db, for example) uses the other. Here's one opinion for you: http://doc.advisor.com/doc/05352 robert.waters wrote: >Is there an advantage to using the '!' notation to represent form/ >control relationships? (eg. Me!text1 vs Me.text1) > >I am currently using the '.' notation exclusively (for code completion >in the VB Editor), but much of the high-quality code that I've seen >(in Duane Hookom's Query-by-Form db, for example) uses the other. -- HTH - RuralGuy (RG for short) acXP WinXP Pro Please post back to this forum so all may benefit. Message posted via AccessMonster.com http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/databases-ms-access/200704/1 Here's my$0.02 worth on this. I tend to copy the notation style and naming conventions that I see being used in the Help files. That would be Me![text1] for a control on a form. I am of the belief that this notation explicitly refers to a control itself rather than a field in the form's recordset. Here's an example: I have a parts inventory app that uses a "Line" code, which is usually a 3-character abbreviation for a brand name, and is the na...

Re: '^=' and '~='?
Duckhye, According to the doc ( http://xrl.us/befwjx ) they, and one other set of characters, and the mnemonic 'NE' all represent 'NOT EQUAL'. Art ------- On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:52:40 -0600, Duck-Hye Yang <dyang@CHAPINHALL.ORG> wrote: >Hello, >What is the difference between '^=' and '~='? > >Thanks, >Duckhye ...

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Is there a 'break' or 'continue' in 'Do Unitl'... 'Loop'?
If some condition is met, I would like to move to the next record. I tried 'Exit Do', which exits, this is not what i want; i tried 'break' or 'continue loop', none of them works. so, now i used a label with GoTo clause. I am just wondering what is the correct syntax? Thanks, ming swingingming wrote: > If some condition is met, I would like to move to the next record. I > tried 'Exit Do', which exits, this is not what i want; i tried 'break' > or 'continue loop', none of them works. so, now i used a label with > GoTo clause. > I am just wondering what is the correct syntax? > Thanks, ming > The exit do is the correct syntax. Or you can have the same or a different condition itself in the do while statement. For example, the following is building a string, strRoute (for a list of hexes along a straight line in a hexagonal overlay of a map): Do While intCount <= Abs(dy) lngY = lngY + Sgn(dy) lngx = lngx + Sgn(dy) strRoute = strRoute & "," & lngY & "-" & lngx & "," & lngY & "-" & lngx - Sgn(dy) intCount = intCount + 1 If intCount > Abs(dy) Then Exit Do lngY = lngY + Sgn(dy) strRoute = strRoute & "," & lngY & "-" & lngx intCount = intCount + 1 Loop The exit do ...

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Having this description column in a table "Cookies, peanut butter sandwich, regular" When using this WHERE clause: WHERE (((Food_Data.Description) Like "*Butter*" & "*Peanut*")); I dont get any results, however when using it this way round WHERE (((Food_Data.Description) Like "*Peanut*" & "*Butter*")); I get the row as expected. I assume that the query looks for them in order. Is there a way i can get around this and make the query search for both keywords no matter which order i ype them in. Thanks Dave [posted and mailed] SkunkDave (dave_casserly@totalise.co.uk) writes: > Having this description column in a table > > "Cookies, peanut butter sandwich, regular" > > > When using this WHERE clause: > > WHERE (((Food_Data.Description) Like "*Butter*" & "*Peanut*")); > > I dont get any results, however when using it this way round > > WHERE (((Food_Data.Description) Like "*Peanut*" & "*Butter*")); > > I get the row as expected. > > I assume that the query looks for them in order. The query looks for a string that matches the pattern "*Peanut**Butter*", so obviously it's not going to match "Butter Peanut". As suggested by Harald Albrech this works: WHERE (Food_Data.Description Like "*Butter*" or Food_Data..Description Like "*Peanut...

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