Subtle...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 16.03.2010 08:40:
> Subtle...

Absolutely.

   Python 2.4.6 (#2, Jan 21 2010, 23:45:25)
   [GCC 4.4.1] on linux2
   Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
   >>> import antigravity
   Traceback (most recent call last):
     File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
   ImportError: No module named antigravity


Stefan

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:
> Subtle...

You're a bit behind the times.
If my calculations are right, that comic is over 2 years old.

Cheers,
Chris

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> wrote=
:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 16.03.2010 08:40:
>>
>> Subtle...
>
> Absolutely.
>
> =C2=A0Python 2.4.6 (#2, Jan 21 2010, 23:45:25)
> =C2=A0[GCC 4.4.1] on linux2
> =C2=A0Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more informati=
on.
> =C2=A0>>> import antigravity
> =C2=A0Traceback (most recent call last):
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
> =C2=A0ImportError: No module named antigravity

http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/antigravity.py?view=3Dmarkup&pa=
threv=3D66902

Cheers,
Chris
--
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Chris Rebert wrote:
> You're a bit behind the times.
> If my calculations are right, that comic is over 2 years old.

import timetravel

Uli

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt
<eckhardt@satorlaser.com> wrote:
> Chris Rebert wrote:
>> You're a bit behind the times.
>> If my calculations are right, that comic is over 2 years old.
>
> import timetravel
>
> Uli

So that's where Guido's been hiding his infamous time machine! Right
in plain sight!
It's so obvious in retrospect.

Cheers,
Chris
--
http://blog.rebertia.com

* Ulrich Eckhardt:
> Chris Rebert wrote:
>> You're a bit behind the times.
>> If my calculations are right, that comic is over 2 years old.
> 
> import timetravel

   C:\test> python
   Python 3.1.1 (r311:74483, Aug 17 2009, 17:02:12) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
   on win32
   Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
   >>> import time
   >>> time.altzone
   -7200
   >>> # hm.
   ...
   >>> _


Cheers,

- Alf

Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
> Chris Rebert wrote:
>> You're a bit behind the times.
>> If my calculations are right, that comic is over 2 years old.
> 
> import timetravel

I think you mean:

     from __future__ import timetravel


-- HansM

On 03/16/10 19:30, Hans Mulder wrote:
> Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
>> Chris Rebert wrote:
>>> You're a bit behind the times.
>>> If my calculations are right, that comic is over 2 years old.
>>
>> import timetravel
>
> I think you mean:
>
> from __future__ import timetravel
>
>
> -- HansM

Well according to Marty it is:
from __back_to_the_future import DeLorean

-- 
mph

Hans Mulder wrote:
> Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
>> Chris Rebert wrote:
>>> You're a bit behind the times.
>>> If my calculations are right, that comic is over 2 years old.
>>
>> import timetravel
> 
> I think you mean:
> 
>     from __future__ import timetravel
> 
> 
> -- HansM

Taking 1984 into account surely it should be

from __past__ import __future__ as future

But the question is, have we yet got to 1984, are we currently there or 
have we already gone past it?  Who actually *IS* running the time 
machine?  Are there any bugs??

Regards.

Mark Lawrence.

Am 16.03.2010 21:44, schrieb Mark Lawrence:
> Who actually *IS* running the time machine?  Are there any bugs??

My is. And as I'm a lazy hacker: sure. there are bugs. lets just call 
them features and move on. nothing to see here ;)

Michael Rudolf, 17.03.2010 00:48:
> Am 16.03.2010 21:44, schrieb Mark Lawrence:
>> Who actually *IS* running the time machine? Are there any bugs??
>
> My is. And as I'm a lazy hacker: sure. there are bugs. lets just call
> them features and move on. nothing to see here ;)

I'll know it, I'll just know it!

Stefan

In message <mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>, Chris 
Rebert wrote:

I see that you published my unobfuscated e-mail address on USENET for all to
see. I obfuscated it for a reason, to keep the spammers away. I'm assuming
this was a momentary lapse of judgement, for which I expect an apology.
Otherwise, it becomes grounds for an abuse complaint to your ISP. 

Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 18.03.2010 08:49:
> In message<mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>, Chris
> Rebert wrote:
>
> I see that you published my unobfuscated e-mail address on USENET for all to
> see. I obfuscated it for a reason, to keep the spammers away. I'm assuming
> this was a momentary lapse of judgement, for which I expect an apology.
> Otherwise, it becomes grounds for an abuse complaint to your ISP.

I hope you just had a bad day. Threatening others for figuring out your 
e-mail address is even worse than posting with an illegal e-mail address.

Stefan

* Lawrence D'Oliveiro:
> In message <mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>, Chris 
> Rebert wrote:
> 
> I see that you published my unobfuscated e-mail address on USENET for all to
> see. I obfuscated it for a reason, to keep the spammers away. I'm assuming
> this was a momentary lapse of judgement, for which I expect an apology.
> Otherwise, it becomes grounds for an abuse complaint to your ISP. 

Hi.

Chris Rebert didn't reveal anything not already present in the posting he 
replied to, and indeed in the posting I'm replying to here.

The headers in the article I'm replying to (yours) look like this:


<headers source="your article">
Path: 
feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail
From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
Subject: Re: import antigravity
Followup-To: comp.lang.python
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:49:55 +1300
Organization: Geek Central
Lines: 7
Message-ID: <hnslv3$jjk$2@lust.ihug.co.nz>
References: <hnnclk$eud$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> 
<mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 118-92-14-26.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1268898595 20084 118.92.14.26 (18 Mar 2010 07:49:55 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:49:55 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: KNode/4.3.4
</headers>


One must assume that you were not aware that you're posting your mail address in 
plaintext in every article?


Cheers & hth.,

- Alf

Alf P. Steinbach, 18.03.2010 09:53:
> <headers source="your article">
> Path:
> feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail
>
> From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand>
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
> Subject: Re: import antigravity
> Followup-To: comp.lang.python
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:49:55 +1300
> Organization: Geek Central
> Lines: 7
> Message-ID: <hnslv3$jjk$2@lust.ihug.co.nz>
> References: <hnnclk$eud$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>
> <mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 118-92-14-26.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
> X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1268898595 20084 118.92.14.26 (18 Mar 2010
> 07:49:55 GMT)
> X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:49:55 +0000 (UTC)
> User-Agent: KNode/4.3.4
> Xref: eternal-september.org comp.lang.python:51777
> </headers>
>
>
> One must assume that you were not aware that you're posting your mail
> address in plaintext in every article?

Uhm - where?

Stefan

* Stefan Behnel:
> Alf P. Steinbach, 18.03.2010 09:53:
>> <headers source="your article">
>> Path:
>> feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail 
>>
>>
>> From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand>
>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
>> Subject: Re: import antigravity
>> Followup-To: comp.lang.python
>> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:49:55 +1300
>> Organization: Geek Central
>> Lines: 7
>> Message-ID: <hnslv3$jjk$2@lust.ihug.co.nz>
>> References: <hnnclk$eud$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>
>> <mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 118-92-14-26.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
>> X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1268898595 20084 118.92.14.26 (18 Mar 2010
>> 07:49:55 GMT)
>> X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:49:55 +0000 (UTC)
>> User-Agent: KNode/4.3.4
>> Xref: eternal-september.org comp.lang.python:51777
>> </headers>
>>
>>
>> One must assume that you were not aware that you're posting your mail
>> address in plaintext in every article?
> 
> Uhm - where?

Well, at least the one that Chris Rebert quoted, 
<mailto:ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> (in the 'From:' header).

The point is, if he's upset about Chris quoting that, then he's probably unaware 
that he's posting it in plaintext himself.


Cheers,

- Alf

Alf P. Steinbach writes:

> The point is, if he's upset about Chris quoting that, then he's
> probably unaware that he's posting it in plaintext himself.

The complaint was not about quoting but about using in public. Chris
sent his piece to three addresses. From his headers, redacted:

   Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
   To: "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@geek-central.gen.[REDACTED]>
   Cc: python-list@python.org

Can we stop importing red herrings now?

* Jussi Piitulainen:
> Alf P. Steinbach writes:
> 
>> The point is, if he's upset about Chris quoting that, then he's
>> probably unaware that he's posting it in plaintext himself.
> 
> The complaint was not about quoting but about using in public. Chris
> sent his piece to three addresses. From his headers, redacted:
> 
>    Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
>    To: "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@geek-central.gen.[REDACTED]>
>    Cc: python-list@python.org
> 
> Can we stop importing red herrings now?

Oh, I didn't see that  --  it's Bad Practice so I didn't look for it.


Cheers,

- Alf

Jussi Piitulainen wrote:
> Alf P. Steinbach writes:
> 
>> The point is, if he's upset about Chris quoting that, then he's
>> probably unaware that he's posting it in plaintext himself.
> 
> The complaint was not about quoting but about using in public. Chris
> sent his piece to three addresses. From his headers, redacted:
> 
>    Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
>    To: "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@geek-central.gen.[REDACTED]>
>    Cc: python-list@python.org
> 
> Can we stop importing red herrings now?

Surely the point of such an obvious obfuscation is that humans can
de-obfuscate is easily. The fact that it was then used in an open
newsgroup communication is just part of the shit that happens every day.

Complaining to Chris's ISP is unlikely to be anything other than a waste
of time. Drawing attention to it the way Lawrence did is much more
likely to draw attention to it that simply gracefully letting it pass.

Lawrence, if you are so worried perhaps you should consider not using
e-mail any more. It's clearly too dangerous to suit you.

regards
 Steve
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:17:43 +0100, Stefan Behnel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 18.03.2010 08:49:
>> In message<mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>, Chris
>> Rebert wrote:
>>
>> I see that you published my unobfuscated e-mail address on USENET for
>> all to see. I obfuscated it for a reason, to keep the spammers away.
>> I'm assuming this was a momentary lapse of judgement, for which I
>> expect an apology. Otherwise, it becomes grounds for an abuse complaint
>> to your ISP.
> 
> I hope you just had a bad day. Threatening others for figuring out your
> e-mail address is even worse than posting with an illegal e-mail
> address.

No, this is hardly the first time that Lawrence has made such a 
wankerific threat:

http://www.mail-archive.com/python-list%40python.org/msg245012.html


I sympathise, because many years ago I lost an email address, made 
unusable by spam, after using it unobfuscated in Usenet. But I think that 
the spammers have mostly moved on these days. The pickings are much 
richer for hijacking people's address books in Hotmail, Facebook or 
Outlook, and the state of the art of anti-spam is better too. So I think 
that Lawrence needs to HTFU and stop making empty threats over something 
so trivial.


-- 
Steven

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<no-spam@extra.super.obfuscation> wrote:
> I see that you published my unobfuscated e-mail address on USENET for all to
> see. I obfuscated it for a reason, to keep the spammers away. I'm assuming
> this was a momentary lapse of judgement, for which I expect an apology.

My apologies to you then. In my own defense, I will say this is the
first complaint I can recall getting about unmungeing the "To:" header
when replying to someone on python-list. To ensure your address's
privacy in the future, either using a disposable address or putting a
/completely/ invalid and unrelated address in the "To:" header are
some possible options.

Regards,
Chris
--
This is one of the pitfalls of mail-news gateways I suppose.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@geek-central.gen.new_zealand> writes:

> In message <mailman.820.1268725930.23598.python-list@python.org>, Chris 
> Rebert wrote:
>
> I see that you published my unobfuscated e-mail address on USENET for all to
> see. I obfuscated it for a reason, to keep the spammers away. I'm assuming
> this was a momentary lapse of judgement, for which I expect an apology.
> Otherwise, it becomes grounds for an abuse complaint to your ISP. 

Ha ha ha! Get a life. You're using a non-existant tld. I recommend to
use .invalid instead, e.g.

ldo@geek-central.gen.nz.invalid

And Chris can make sure that his unobfuscating code doesn't run if the
tld is invalid.


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