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Best OS for Ruby Dev/Best OS for Ruby Hosting

Which is the best OS to use for ruby development...My vote goes to Mac
OS X?

What would be considered the best environment for hosting ruby and
rails? Mac? FreeBSD? Gentoo?

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Rawn027 (17)
11/19/2005 8:12:04 AM
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Ruby is, I believe, primarily designed for use with Linux, although the
code is highly portable. Since Linux is the primary development
platform, it may also have the fastest bug fixing and the most thorough
testing. As a result, your best bet for hosting would be a server-grade
Linux OS such as RHEL, CentOS, or the server versions of other
distributions.

For development, consistency with your hosting platform may or may not
be a concern. You can probably use anything here, but if your rails app
relies on some more advanced libraries you may be best off with linux
again, as package management makes that side of things much simpler and
you can ensure that both are running exactly the same libraries.

Other similar unices such as BSDs are also likely to work well. Mac OS
X would OK as well.

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interfecus (128)
11/19/2005 8:48:59 AM
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 05:12:23PM +0900, Rawn027 wrote:
> Which is the best OS to use for ruby development...My vote goes to Mac
> OS X?

matz uses Debian ;-)

-- 
Mauricio Fernandez


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mfp1 (316)
11/19/2005 9:20:05 AM
Rawn027 <Rawn027@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which is the best OS to use for ruby development...My vote
> goes to Mac OS X?

I have a great time developing Ruby on both OS X and FreeBSD.
I don't happen to have any Linux boxen at the moment, but last
time I did, it worked really well.

For me, any system that has vim and a ruby installation is
ideal.

> What would be considered the best environment for hosting ruby
> and rails? Mac? FreeBSD? Gentoo?

I like OS X as a desktop and/or development system, where tools
like CocoaMySQL make short work of things which can be tedious
on other systems.  But OS X is large, bulky, and sluggish and,
to a lesser extent, the G4 PPC platform is not optimized for
data throughput.

For performance, I've found recent versions of FreeBSD to be
increasingly snappy, and they keep fairly current versions of
most of their packages.

Next to FreeBSD, I have to say I think Debian has the most
streamlined package management system, making it ridiculously
simple to keep an up-to-date system.  In the past, Debian has
been somewhat slow to update packages, but they've gotten better
about this in recent years.

Both these platforms offer an enormous array of software ready
to build and/or install.

My USD$0.05,
Tim
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penryu2 (3)
11/19/2005 10:50:00 AM
jqshenker wrote:
> I'd recommend staying away from Gentoo: I prefer
> source-based OSs, but Gentoo just breaks too often for it to be worth
> it. Also, Gentoo users are on the whole jerkyer and less helpful than
> normal people. 

I can't help to defend gentoo here a bit. I've been using gentoo for two 
years now and in my experience it doesn't break often, but YMMV. The 
main pro about gentoo is its users and support. The forums are just 
amazing and people are generally very helpful. I know some people who 
use other distros, but they often first turn to the gentoo forums for 
help etc. Of course I have no experience with gentoo people in 
mailinglists and irc. They may all be jerks there.

(Sorry couldn't help but defend them a little :))


-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.


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edder (38)
11/19/2005 11:38:35 AM
On 11/19/05, Rawn027 <Rawn027@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which is the best OS to use for ruby development...My vote goes to Mac
> OS X?

Which OS do you find best for development? That will give you your
answer.

I develop PDF::Writer entirely on Windows. When I get around to
purchasing a MacOS X laptop, I will probably shift my development of
PDF::Writer to the Mac (or it might be both Mac and Win since I'm
planning on getting a macintel). I find that I develop for the Ruby
platform.

[...]

On 11/19/05, Timothy Goddard <interfecus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ruby is, I believe, primarily designed for use with Linux, although
> the code is highly portable.

I'm not sure that's true. In fact, I think it would be fair to say that
no, Ruby is not "primarily designed for use with Linux". It is designed
as a cross-platform language. Debian Linux is Matz's primary development
environment and there are a lot of Linux users, but the "many eyeballs"
theory definitely applies, as bugs with AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, Windows,
Mac OS X, FreeBSD and less popular platforms get noticed relatively
quickly, even if they aren't necessarily fixed quickly because of
developers' limited access to some of those boxes.

Indeed, I will be adding new features to the Windows implementation of
Ruby in the not-too-distant future because I have access to that as a
development platform.

By and large, though, I personally would prefer to run on FreeBSD or
MacOS X than any version of Linux, but especially Debian. I know Matz
uses Debian, but there have been quality issues with Debian's Ruby
support in the past and while the current situation is *better*, it's
still not (IMO) good enough.

On 11/19/05, Tim Hammerquist <penryu@vegeta.ath.cx> wrote:
> I have a great time developing Ruby on both OS X and FreeBSD. I don't
> happen to have any Linux boxen at the moment, but last time I did, it
> worked really well.
>
> For me, any system that has vim and a ruby installation is ideal.

Precisely!

-austin
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com
               * Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca


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halostatue (1713)
11/19/2005 1:05:36 PM
On Nov 19, 2005, at 6:38 AM, Edwin van Leeuwen wrote:

> jqshenker wrote:
>> I'd recommend staying away from Gentoo: I prefer
>> source-based OSs, but Gentoo just breaks too often for it to be worth
>> it. Also, Gentoo users are on the whole jerkyer and less helpful than
>> normal people.
>
> I can't help to defend gentoo here a bit. I've been using gentoo  
> for two
> years now and in my experience it doesn't break often, but YMMV. The
> main pro about gentoo is its users and support. The forums are just
> amazing and people are generally very helpful. I know some people who
> use other distros, but they often first turn to the gentoo forums for
> help etc. Of course I have no experience with gentoo people in
> mailinglists and irc. They may all be jerks there.
>

Thanks.  As a Gentoo maintainer for Ruby, I'll chime in and say that  
I actively read this list.  I can't speak for other parts of the  
distribution, but at I can at least safely say that Gentoo is a great  
development platform for Ruby.

Caleb


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caleb (111)
11/19/2005 2:15:34 PM
Calab, I would like to comment on that I have been fussing around with
gentoo for quite some time now. What WM do you use? I will currently
just be using it on AMD Sempron with 512MB RAM. I really dont have
heavy iron but not really heavy iron is needed for this application
just for development and hosting on the same box. I am going to check
out using Gentoo. What editor on gentoo do you use for development.
Also do you use lighttpd with fcgi?

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Rawn027 (17)
11/19/2005 2:23:22 PM
On Nov 19, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Rawn027 wrote:

> Calab, I would like to comment on that I have been fussing around with
> gentoo for quite some time now. What WM do you use? I will currently
> just be using it on AMD Sempron with 512MB RAM. I really dont have
> heavy iron but not really heavy iron is needed for this application
> just for development and hosting on the same box. I am going to check
> out using Gentoo. What editor on gentoo do you use for development.
> Also do you use lighttpd with fcgi?
>
>

For development, I run a minimal KDE desktop and use the Kate text  
editor for most of my work.  That and a combination of nano.

For rails work, I have a few machines with lighttpd and fcgi and a  
one running apache2.  For what it's worth, my rails development  
server is a Pentium 3 with 128 MB ram running lighttpd.

I'll also admit that I use Textmate on an OS X Powerbook via tunneled  
ssh connections to work on stuff from home.

Caleb



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caleb (111)
11/19/2005 2:54:17 PM
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mercan01 (9)
11/19/2005 3:40:34 PM
On Sat, Nov 19, 2005 at 10:05:36PM +0900, Austin Ziegler wrote:
> On 11/19/05, Rawn027 <Rawn027@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Which is the best OS to use for ruby development...My vote goes to Mac
> > OS X?
> 
> Which OS do you find best for development? That will give you your
> answer.

I think this is the best answer that I've seen.  I use Ruby on Mac OS X,
Solaris 2.6, 2.8 and 10, various versions of OpenBSD on Intel and Sparc.
It doesn't work (because of no shared library support) on OpenBSD Vax.

One of the real benefits of Ruby is how well it works cross platform.
I can develop on any of these platforms and have no problems with the
code on any of the other platforms.

Rick

-- 
Rick Nooner
rick@nooner.net
http://www.nooner.net



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rick4595 (38)
11/19/2005 8:26:00 PM
On 11/19/05, Jacob Quinn Shenker <jqshenker@gmail.com> wrote:

 > I prefer source-based OSs, but Gentoo just breaks too often for it
to be worth
> it. Also, Gentoo users are on the whole jerkyer and less helpful than
> normal people.

Oh... That's not biased!  Says one of those Gentoo jerks. ;_

Seriously though, I have had no trouble whatsoever running and hosting
RoR stuff on Gentoo. I've been using Gentoo for about 4 years and have
yet to have an issue.

From my experience, between windows 2000 / xp / gentoo / debian /
ubuntu / mac os X.3 / X.4 / FreeBSD, i've had very little problems
with any of them, and I frequent most of them each week.

Of the above, if I had to pick a couple, I'd pick gentoo / debian /
and freebsd, with gentoo being my number one pick, but any of the
above work fairly well for development.

For hosting, I'd say a source based *nix is a the way to go.  Gentoo
or otherwise, it helps with performance and tweaking.

I agree with someone who said anywhere vim and a ruby interpreter
resides is an ideal development environment.  Windows is even (almost)
tolerable via MSys and MinGW (if you have no other options).


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11/19/2005 9:40:54 PM
Rawn027 wrote:
> Which is the best OS to use for ruby development...My vote goes to Mac
> OS X?
> 
> What would be considered the best environment for hosting ruby and
> rails? Mac? FreeBSD? Gentoo?
> 

I've coded for ruby on Windows 2000, XP, Debian, Ubuntu and OSX. For generic ruby code not specified 
on a certain framework or platform-specfic library I find they all work fine (unless you're OSX 
machine only has a one-button mouse).  I use Eclipse as my IDE when running in GUI and nano as my 
text editor when ssh'ing or running a terminal. Eclipse allows you to use any platform and feel righ 
at home in development, since it's the same across the board.

For doing rails work I have recently moved to Ubuntu systems for full-time development although my 
windows xp laptop still gets use on a regular basis. I work with RHEL 4 quality-assurance and 
production servers, so I may be partially bias to running on a linux environment to try to keep a 
closer consistency to the setup that the servers have.

If you do any MySQL on windows due note that for development it may be fine, but MySQL seems to run 
considerably slower on windows then on a *nix box (if you consider running production on windows).

As my *nix know-how has drastically gone up over the past few years I find myself doing quicker work 
in a *nix environment then on windows. Some things I've found that directly and indirectly help that 
are:
  - great virtual desktop support (yes you can get it for windows but it isn't as good imo)
  - tabbed-based console apps, like xterm, gnome-terminal, etc...
  - virtual tty support (alt-f1, alt-f2, etc...)
  - some *nix/bsd distro's have great support for downloading package/applications as they are 
needed. (on windows i found myself googling way to much, it's easier to type apt-get install 
i_need_this_package)

But I'm with Austin...what works for you will be best for you!

Zach



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zdennis (552)
11/20/2005 5:49:51 AM
Most of my experience is based on Rails development, I develop under
W2K and deploy under Fedora. I would recommend to stick to *.nix, many
libraries are just wrappers and it looks like the Windows based one are
not the most compatible, the dll stuff is always annoying (in general
terms) and I have found a lot of weird problems problems running the
apps under Windows (crashes, memory leaks) that just don't happen under
*nix.

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11/20/2005 12:02:07 PM
>> Which is the best OS to use for ruby development...
>
> I've coded for ruby on Windows 2000, XP, Debian, Ubuntu and OSX.

Ubuntu combines Debian's wealth of packages with a higher degree of ease
of use - it's certainly a very nice development platform.

Be aware, however, that Ubuntu 5.10 (breezy) ships a broken preliminary
version of ruby 1.8.3*. If you want to debug threaded apps, you'll need
to compile your own ruby.

Cheers,
Paulus

[*] see http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17415



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11/20/2005 9:04:07 PM
Heretix

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transfire (2969)
11/21/2005 5:14:34 AM
Also, remember that there are still a large number of us *ix users
that prefer to roll our own, and regardless of the packaging system
provided by the OS, I'm gonna go get & compile for myself... I prefer
things that way... Then I know what I have and where I've put it.

I've never had a lick of trouble with a system I setup this way... my
mileage with OS provided packages, unfortunately don't hold that same
quality.

...

j.

On 11/20/05, Aaron Kulbe <akulbe@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Lots of people happen to like FreeBSD for its Ruby support. One of its
> > major system utilities, portupgrade, is written in Ruby, so that's one
> > neat aspect. I'd recommend staying away from Gentoo: I prefer
> > source-based OSs, but Gentoo just breaks too often for it to be worth
> > it. Also, Gentoo users are on the whole jerkyer and less helpful than
> > normal people.
>
> (I'd like to start out by apologizing first, gentlemen.  this is
> certainly off-topic, but needs to be said)
>
> Well Jacob, you succeed in communicating four things in your reply here.
>
> 1. you say Gentoo is prone to be broken
> 2. you say Gentoo users are jerks
> 3. you say Gentoo users are less helpful
> 4. you say Gentoo users are not normal
>
> As a Gentoo user, and a Gentoo developer... I'd like to say that I'm
> rather disturbed, maybe even slightly offended, at your remarks.  We
> work hard to make the distribution good.  And I'd like to say that the
> users bear some responsibility in how well their systems run.
>
> If you want to build your system with an insane set of CFLAGS and USE
> flags, then I think problems that result are your own fault.
>
> You say Gentoo users are jerkyer [sic] than other users.  I beg to
> differ.  A jerk is a jerk, and it matters not what distro the said
> jerk wants to use.  People with the kind of attitude I'm sure you're
> referring to are unbecoming to the entire Linux community.  Gentoo
> does not have the corner on this market, and it's unfair to say so.
>
> Gentoo users are less helpful?  I'm sorry, but this is utter crap.  It
> was this one thing that attracted me to the distribution in the first
> place, before any of its technical merits.  I can personally vouch for
> this.  I had a very frustrating experience early on, when I started to
> use Gentoo.  I kept hitting a wall and was ready to give up.  I had
> one of the developers help me, personally, to figure out the issues I
> was having.  This took a period of hours, and I was ready to pay him
> for his time.  He flatly refused, and asked only one thing in return -
> that I never again say I was going to give up on Gentoo.  I didn't.
> Question - do you think we're less helpful because you come into
> #gentoo and ask a question, and don't get an answer *immediately*?  If
> that's the case, keep in mind it's a VERY busy channel.  And try
> idling there, and remember... /lastlog is your friend.
>
>
> By saying Gentoo users are jerkyer [sic] than normal people, you make
> us out to be abnormal.  Care to explain that one?  We're no different
> than anyone else.  I just enjoy a little more control over my chosen
> distribution.  Does that make one abnormal?  I think not.
>
> Now... on to the Ruby business.  Keep in mind, there is admittedly a
> bit of bias here, but I'm laying out all the cards.  I think Gentoo is
> an excellent distribution to host from, and do Ruby work from.  It
> might require more dedication on your part.  Gentoo is hands-on.  But
> it's really good for people who like to tinker.  Good luck.
>


--
"Remember. Understand. Believe. Yield! -> http://ruby-lang.org"

Jeff Wood


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11/21/2005 7:13:09 AM
Oh, and as far as gentoo vs debian vs blah blah blah ...

I've tried to setup a gentoo system for myself and run into troubles,
so, I haven't yet gotten to play with it.  I have uses FreeBSD 4, 5, (
and just downloaded ISOs for 6 )... and debian, ubuntu, fedora core,
RHEL WS, and mandrake successfully.

Anyways, there's my $0.02.

j.

On 11/20/05, Jeff Wood <jeff.darklight@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, remember that there are still a large number of us *ix users
> that prefer to roll our own, and regardless of the packaging system
> provided by the OS, I'm gonna go get & compile for myself... I prefer
> things that way... Then I know what I have and where I've put it.
>
> I've never had a lick of trouble with a system I setup this way... my
> mileage with OS provided packages, unfortunately don't hold that same
> quality.
>
> ...
>
> j.
>
> On 11/20/05, Aaron Kulbe <akulbe@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Lots of people happen to like FreeBSD for its Ruby support. One of it=
s
> > > major system utilities, portupgrade, is written in Ruby, so that's on=
e
> > > neat aspect. I'd recommend staying away from Gentoo: I prefer
> > > source-based OSs, but Gentoo just breaks too often for it to be worth
> > > it. Also, Gentoo users are on the whole jerkyer and less helpful than
> > > normal people.
> >
> > (I'd like to start out by apologizing first, gentlemen.  this is
> > certainly off-topic, but needs to be said)
> >
> > Well Jacob, you succeed in communicating four things in your reply here=
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11/21/2005 7:15:14 AM
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I put this suggestion to James Edward Gray II as a means to an end. I was thinking that if the quiz inspires people to tackle manageable problems, then it might be that we can use it to help us improve Ruby itself. We may get components for packages built up for the cases where people find them sufficiently interesting to write. So, would anyone object to this strategy? Is the problem expressed below sufficiently challenging to be of interest to those who know they could tackle it? Does it make a good quiz? James said I should ask, so I am. <quote> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:11:1...

Help repost to Ruby Dev -- 2 improvements to Ruby Magic
This is a proposed solution to simplify magic in Ruby. I'd appreciate it if somebody who has post access to 'Ruby-core' or 'Ruby-dev' could post this message there. Thank you in advance. If you get to read this Matz, thank you for bringing about such an excellent language. ----- I'm building a framework that has similarities to Ruby on Rails and Merb but targets the creation of website building software. In writing this software, one of the problems when reading other people's code to get ideas is that it is difficult to find the magic methods. Of course, there ...

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http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/04/01/13/0123250.shtml?tid=185&tid=190 On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:18:39 -0800, Phil Tomson wrote: > http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/04/01/13/0123250.shtml?tid=185&tid=190 I submitted it at osnews, not expecting it to show up at slashdot. The osnews wave of visitors gave ~22000 hits in one day! the ROS project is about one month old and still in the planning state. Feel free to submit text to the wiki. * do you have ideas for how Ruby should be used in a os? * which features in your current os do you believe are vital? * POLS in an...

best ruby blogs?
What are the major ruby blogs that a newbie should read read/follow? -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. [Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.] On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Nicholas Stewart <nicholas4@gmail.com>wrote: > What are the major ruby blogs that a newbie should read read/follow? > > -- > Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. > > I like Ruby Inside a lot, you can also get mailed about its articles by signing up at http://rubyweekly.com/ Nicholas Stewart wrote in post #978274: > What are the m...

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offline Ruby class and library reference from www.ruby-lang.org?
Hi I am not very often online. But I am a frequently user of Ruby class and library reference. Is there any zip package for the whole reference that I can download and use it offline? Thanks ngoc ruby-doc.org has the goods, see http://www.ruby-doc.org/downloads ChrisH wrote: > ruby-doc.org has the goods, see > http://www.ruby-doc.org/downloads > But none of links from http://www.ruby-doc.org/downloads are as user easily(friendly) as the one in "reference link" from www.ruby-lang.org. I can see all in one page from the "reference link". The best one is &qu...

[ANN] Ruby-Locale-0.9.0 / Ruby-Locale for Ruby on Rails-0.1.0
Hi, I'm pleased to announce 2 new libraries for Localization. * Ruby-Locale-0.9.0 * Ruby-Locale for Ruby on Rails-0.1.0 = Website http://rubyforge.org/projects/locale http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-locale.html http://www.yotabanana.com/hiki/ruby-locale-howto.html (HOWTO) http://www.yotabanana.com/localeapi/files/README.html (Sample Website) http://www.yotabanana.com/locale_rails_sample/ = Install $ gem install locale $ gem install locale_rails = Ruby-Locale-0.9.0 Ruby-Locale is the pure ruby library which provides basic APIs for localization. It aims to support all environments which ruby works and all kind of programs (GUI, WWW, library, etc), and becomes the hub of other i18n/l10n libs/apps to handle major locale ID standards. * Manage Locale ID(Language Tag) * Thread safe. Each thread has a Locale ID. * POSIX, CLDR, IETF(RFC4646, 3066(BCP47)), Win32 and Java language tags and convert the tag each others. * Auto detect Locale ID. POSIX(Unix/Linux/*BSD), Win32, JRuby, CGI. * Resources * ISO 639-3 languages * ISO 3166 region(countries). * Support Ruby 1.8.7, Ruby 1.9.1, JRuby 1.1.4. Tested on Win32 and Linux. = Ruby-Locale for Ruby on Rails-0.1.0 Ruby-Locale for Ruby on Rails is the L10n plugin which works with Ruby on Rails 2.2. This is the first library which depends on Ruby-Locale. It supports Rails i18n and have the features below: * Auto-Detect the client locale * D...

[ruby evangelism hint] ruby + DaemonNews ?
daemon news, a great news site about *BSD publishes a monthly ezine about development, administration and daily usage of the bsd family OS/applications. For the second time they are asking the readers to write articles, and I wondered if there is someone here that would like to write some ruby related stuff for them. Ruby could get a good grip in the bsd world (it already has, I think), so why don't save some free time to evangelize ruby a little more? ;) ...

ruby CGI sessions
Long time no type. I have a question about CGI sessions in Ruby. I'm adding a web front end to the (crazy) Ruby BBS. I want to be able to track and display the active sessions. In .asp (evil evil) this would be trivial. I can't figure out how to do it in Ruby. ...

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