Whenever I start FreeRIDE I get a ton of warnings. It takes a long time
to start as well, probably because it is I/O bound to the console
window.

Suggestions?

Jonathan

2.so: warning: already initialized constant FOLDINGLIST_ROOT_BOXES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant FOLDINGLIST_NORMAL
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LOOKUPTIMER
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_HEADER_CHANGE
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LAST
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_EXTENDEDSELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_SINGLESELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_BROWSESELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_MULTIPLESELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_AUTOSELECT
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_SHOWS_LINES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_SHOWS_BOXES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_ROOT_BOXES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant TREELIST_NORMAL
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LOOKUPTIMER
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LAST
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant DIRLIST_SHOWFILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant DIRLIST_SHOWHIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant DIRLIST_NO_OWN_ASSOC
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_REFRESHTIMER
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SHOW_FILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_HIDE_FILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_TOGGLE_FILES
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SHOW_HIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_HIDE_HIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_TOGGLE_HIDDEN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SET_PATTERN
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SORT_REVERSE
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_SORT_CASE
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_REFRESH
C:/Program
Files/Ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/fxruby-1.2.6-mswin32/ext/fox12/fox1
2.so: warning: already initialized constant ID_LAST

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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
> Whenever I start FreeRIDE I get a ton of warnings. It takes a long
> time
> to start as well, probably because it is I/O bound to the console
> window.
> 
> Suggestions?

Yes 2 of them:
1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.

matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
> 
> Yes 2 of them:
> 1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
> 2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.

You mind telling me who the fx ruby people are and how to contact them?

All I have is the whatever came with the base installation at 
www.ruby-lang.org, so I assumed it was something core to the language.

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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 05:51 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> matt wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
> > 
> > Yes 2 of them:
> > 1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
> > 2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.
> 
> You mind telling me who the fx ruby people are and how to contact them?
> 
> All I have is the whatever came with the base installation at 
> www.ruby-lang.org, so I assumed it was something core to the language.
> 

I must be in a good mood.  Didn't even get laid last night....

http://www.google.com/search?q=fxruby&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a


returned this in position numero uno:
http://www.fxruby.org/


And this in numero treso:
http://rubyforge.org/projects/fxruby/

On 1/20/07, matt <matt@kettlewell.net> wrote:

> I must be in a good mood.  Didn't even get laid last night....
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=fxruby&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
>
> returned this in position numero uno:
> http://www.fxruby.org/

What is this "Google," and why have you been keeping it a secret from
the rest of us?

matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
>> Whenever I start FreeRIDE I get a ton of warnings. It takes a long
>> time
>> to start as well, probably because it is I/O bound to the console
>> window.
>> 
>> Suggestions?
> 
> Yes 2 of them:
> 1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
> 2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.

They say its Ruby's fault for putting the bug in v1.8.5 and FreeRide's 
fault for not upgrading to FX Ruby v1.6. Though I suppose they share 
part of the blame for not making backwards compatible.

Now what?

Jonathan

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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 08:43 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> matt wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 03:32 +0900, Ab Cd wrote:
> >> Whenever I start FreeRIDE I get a ton of warnings. It takes a long
> >> time
> >> to start as well, probably because it is I/O bound to the console
> >> window.
> >> 
> >> Suggestions?
> > 
> > Yes 2 of them:
> > 1) Don't post the thousands of repeated errors to the list
> > 2) Ask the fx ruby folks what the problem is.
> 
> They say its Ruby's fault for putting the bug in v1.8.5 and FreeRide's 
> fault for not upgrading to FX Ruby v1.6. Though I suppose they share 
> part of the blame for not making backwards compatible.
> 
> Now what?
> 
> Jonathan
> 

1. Fix the bug in ruby and submit patch
2. fix FreeRides dependency to use a newer version of FXRuby
or
3. Find another IDE.  

try VI or [X]Emacs or pico or notepad or word or works or OpenOffice
or... 

ohh you want an all in one... try Eclipse or RadRails  I've never used
either of them, but they (among others) have gotten good reviews.

Matt
 

matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 05:51 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
>> www.ruby-lang.org, so I assumed it was something core to the language.
>> 
> 
> I must be in a good mood.  Didn't even get laid last night....
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=fxruby&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
> 
> 
> returned this in position numero uno:
> http://www.fxruby.org/
> 
> 
> And this in numero treso:
> http://rubyforge.org/projects/fxruby/

Gee thanks for being ever so helpful. It was so nice of you to almost 
point out which of the 148,000 pages returned by google the FX Ruby 
developers hang out on. I'm not even annoyed that you didn't mention 
item 4, which actually had the correct mailing list.

And now I realize how hard it would have been to just go ahead and give 
me the right URL when you originally suggested I contact them. For 
crying out loud, you might have had to actually think about your 
response to my question.

You see, I have been ever so spoiled by hanging out in the Microsoft 
forums. I'm used to people answering questions with useful information 
and links in case I want to know more.

Jonathan

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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 09:13 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> matt wrote:
> > On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 05:51 +0900, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> >> www.ruby-lang.org, so I assumed it was something core to the language.
> >> 
> > 
> > I must be in a good mood.  Didn't even get laid last night....
> > 
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=fxruby&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
> > 
> > 
> > returned this in position numero uno:
> > http://www.fxruby.org/
> > 
> > 
> > And this in numero treso:
> > http://rubyforge.org/projects/fxruby/
> 
> Gee thanks for being ever so helpful. It was so nice of you to almost 
> point out which of the 148,000 pages returned by google the FX Ruby 
> developers hang out on. I'm not even annoyed that you didn't mention 
> item 4, which actually had the correct mailing list.
> 
> And now I realize how hard it would have been to just go ahead and give 
> me the right URL when you originally suggested I contact them. For 
> crying out loud, you might have had to actually think about your 
> response to my question.
> 
> You see, I have been ever so spoiled by hanging out in the Microsoft 
> forums. I'm used to people answering questions with useful information 
> and links in case I want to know more.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
Yes, but I saved you from having to type "www.google.com" and then find
a text box to type in "fxruby" and then click submit.

See how many keystrokes I just saved you from typing?  Not to mention
that your wrists are now at a reduced risk of developing carpal tunnel.

And to think that for a moment I thought you were implying that I was
self-serving and arrogant.

> 1. Fix the bug in ruby and submit patch
> 2. fix FreeRides dependency to use a newer version of FXRuby
> or
> 3. Find another IDE.
> 
> try VI or [X]Emacs or pico or notepad or word or works or OpenOffice
> or...
> 
> ohh you want an all in one... try Eclipse or RadRails  I've never used
> either of them, but they (among others) have gotten good reviews.
> 
> Matt

Let me get this straight. You are telling a newbie with one day of 
experience that if I need to track down and fix a bug in the core of the 
language itself.

Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to 
submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?

Jonathan

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Jonathan Allen wrote:
> Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to 
> submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?
>   
Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your 
reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and 
supportive of new Rubyists.

You don't have to report this problem. It is well-known. Search the 
Google archives for earlier discussions if you're interested. I believe 
this bug report 
http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5701&group_id=426&atid=1698 
addresses the problem.

Welcome to Ruby!

Timothy Hunter wrote:
> Jonathan Allen wrote:
>> Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to 
>> submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?
>>   
> Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your
> reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and
> supportive of new Rubyists.
> 
> You don't have to report this problem. It is well-known. Search the
> Google archives for earlier discussions if you're interested. I believe
> this bug report
> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5701&group_id=426&atid=1698
> addresses the problem.
> 
> Welcome to Ruby!

Thanks, I really appreciate that. It is so hard to find ones way around 
a new community, especially when you run into problems right from the 
start.

Do you know if anyone has of list of which components are still 
supported and which are not?

If I'm ever going to use Ruby in production, knowing what stuff has 
already reached end of life is vital. And apparently I cannot blindly 
trust the main Ruby distribution to be up to date.

Jonathan

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On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 10:41 +0900, Timothy Hunter wrote:
> Jonathan Allen wrote:
> > Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to 
> > submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?
> >   
> Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your 
> reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and 
> supportive of new Rubyists.
> 
> You don't have to report this problem. It is well-known. Search the 
> Google archives for earlier discussions if you're interested. I believe 
> this bug report 
> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5701&group_id=426&atid=1698 
> addresses the problem.
> 
> Welcome to Ruby!
> 

There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either). Remember, I did his
homework for him, and presented several options of how to proceed.  I
should be thanked for presenting the information on a hyper-text
platter.  And we should pity and feel sorry for those that have
forgotten (or never knew) how to do research on there own.  But don't
worry, over time, they can be trained.

Welcome to reality.

matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 10:41 +0900, Timothy Hunter wrote:
>> this bug report 
>> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5701&group_id=426&atid=1698 
>> addresses the problem.
>> 
>> Welcome to Ruby!
>> 
> 
> There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
> sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either). Remember, I did his
> homework for him, and presented several options of how to proceed.  I
> should be thanked for presenting the information on a hyper-text
> platter.  And we should pity and feel sorry for those that have
> forgotten (or never knew) how to do research on there own.  But don't
> worry, over time, they can be trained.
> 
> Welcome to reality.

Tell me something, why do you bother?

I mean, clearly the only "help" you are willing to offer to people like 
me is to tell us how do google searches. So why not just ignore the 
question and let someone else field the answer?

And does it really bother you that much that I was unable to find the 
information on my own? Is not the purpose of this forum for helping 
people use Ruby? 'Cause if its not, let me know and I will go elsewhere.

From where I stand, all you are doing is wasting both my time and yours. 
Is you faith in the all mighty search engine really worth alienating a 
new user?

Jonathan

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matt wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-01-21 at 10:41 +0900, Timothy Hunter wrote:
>> this bug report 
>> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5701&group_id=426&atid=1698 
>> addresses the problem.
>> 
>> Welcome to Ruby!
>> 
> 
> There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
> sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either). Remember, I did his
> homework for him, and presented several options of how to proceed.  I
> should be thanked for presenting the information on a hyper-text
> platter.  And we should pity and feel sorry for those that have
> forgotten (or never knew) how to do research on there own.  But don't
> worry, over time, they can be trained.
> 
> Welcome to reality.

I pity those that have forgotten (or never knew) the difference between 
"there", "their", and "they're".

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On Jan 21, 2:10 pm, matt <m...@kettlewell.net> wrote:
>
> > Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your
> > reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and
> > supportive of new Rubyists.
>
> There's no need to apologize on anyone's behalf (I'm certainly not
> sorry, and I don't consider what I did rude either).

I offer my condolences too, Johnathan.  Statistically, you're very
likely to get a nicer response next time :)

Cheers,
Gavin

Jonathan Allen wrote:
> Timothy Hunter wrote:
>   
>> Jonathan Allen wrote:
>>     
>>> Anyone else want to pick up this thread. Maybe tell me how and where to 
>>> submit bug reports? Or do you guys not do that?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Please accept my apologies, on behalf of the Ruby community, for your
>> reception on this mailing list. Normally we are quite civilized and
>> supportive of new Rubyists.
>>
>> You don't have to report this problem. It is well-known. Search the
>> Google archives for earlier discussions if you're interested. I believe
>> this bug report
>> http://rubyforge.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5701&group_id=426&atid=1698
>> addresses the problem.
>>
>> Welcome to Ruby!
>>     
>
> Thanks, I really appreciate that. It is so hard to find ones way around 
> a new community, especially when you run into problems right from the 
> start.
>
> Do you know if anyone has of list of which components are still 
> supported and which are not?
>
> If I'm ever going to use Ruby in production, knowing what stuff has 
> already reached end of life is vital. And apparently I cannot blindly 
> trust the main Ruby distribution to be up to date.
>
> Jonathan
>
>   
To the best of my knowledge all the components in the 1.8.5 one-click 
installer are completely supported. The problem you've encountered is 
known. Apparently it is currently considered as a problem in Ruby 
itself, not FreeRIDE. I see from the bug report that it is currently 
assigned to Ruby's inventor, Matz.

Typically the one-click installer goes through many pre-release versions 
before the final. When it is next released you'll have plenty of 
opportunity to test the components and offer feedback. Instead of blind 
trust you'll have your own hands-on evaluation, and the rest of the 
community will benefit from your work.

On Jan 22, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Johan Veenstra wrote:

> On 1/21/07, Jonathan Allen <grauenwolf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Tell me something, why do you bother?
>>
>> I mean, clearly the only "help" you are willing to offer to people  
>> like
>> me is to tell us how do google searches. So why not just ignore the
>> question and let someone else field the answer?
>
>
> The answer to that is quite simple, the only help you needed was  
> knowing who
> to ask 'the fx ruby people'  and how to find them. Personally I  
> think I
> think the help was presented in a light hearted manner, but feel  
> free to
> disagree.
>
> Time is precious to each and every one of us, so doing some  
> research before
> asking questions, is more than just a courtesy. Do your reseach,  
> ask clear
> questions and most of the time your question gets answered.
>
> Since Matt answered your second question, he really must have been  
> in a good
> mood.

We really shouldn't get into long threads discussing who was polite  
and who wasn't. Despite that, I can't resist jumping to the posters  
defense here and saying that I didn't find Matt's replies "light  
hearted" at all. I found them to be on the rude side.

Most car accidents involving two vehicles are the fault of both drivers.

Same here. One asked a question that Google could easily answer, and
the other told him so, and thus offended him.

People who are somewhat new to FLOSS communities sometimes don't even
think about googling for answers, because the information they need
would be private in a proprietary platform. For instance, it is very
hard to discover who is responsible for a certain component of
Microsoft Visual Studio. And even if you do find out, they are usually
not accessible to an outsider. So it's easy to understand why the
whole thread started.

Welcome to Ruby and Free/Libre/OpenSource Software in general, Jonathan!

Cheers,

Luciano

> People who are somewhat new to FLOSS communities sometimes don't even
> think about googling for answers, because the information they need
> would be private in a proprietary platform.

Luciano, do you have any idea how rude and arrogant you are being right 
now?

People coming from the MS world know damn well how to use a search 
engine. It is generally the first thing we try before going to the news 
groups.

In fact, in this case the first thing I did was search google for the 
error messages I was seeing.

> Time is precious to each and every one of us, so doing some research 
> before
> asking questions, is more than just a courtesy. Do your reseach, ask 
> clear
> questions and most of the time your question gets answered.

That is a complete load of bullshit. Matt alone has already spent more 
time on saying how much of a lazy idiot I am than he did answering my 
question. And that doesn't count the time all of you spend either 
defending or critizing him.

All I asked was that Matt give me a complete answer. On any other 
newsgroup, the person would have had the foresight to think "Maybe this 
person would like to know HOW to contact the people I told him to talk 
to." It isn't like it would have taken him any extra time.

As for research, I did it BEFORE I found this forum. Once I was in a 
conversation with Matt, he was a going to help me through my problem.

******

I have something to say about the general attitude of the people on the 
Microsoft groups compared to that of this list.

On a Microsoft lists, I have never heard someone say "Why didn't you 
search of Google?" or "Didn't you read the manual?" There is a general 
assumption that if the person is asking a question than obviously they 
have tried the other routes and were unsuccessful.

Likewise, if I are going to help someone I spend the time to actually 
help them. That often means I have do to a little bit of research on my 
own in order to give a complete answer. If I don't have that time, then 
I let someone else answer the question. Better no answer at all than a 
useless one.

If you guys are serious about pulling people from the closed source 
world, then some of your members really need to learn how to treat 
people with kindess respect. Especially frustrated newbies who have not 
yet learned where to look for information. And that includes that you 
stop assuming they are too lazy or stupid to use google.

That said, I still don't have an answer to my question about how to fix 
FreeRIDE.

Jonathan

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> That said, I still don't have an answer to my question about how to fix 
> FreeRIDE.
> 
> Jonathan

Here's an answer that might actually help you out :)

I encountered the same issues when first delving into ruby. However, I 
soon discovered that the ruby one-click installer comes with a great 
little light-weight editor called SciTE. Check the install directory 
from the one-click, it should be there. Now, I wouldn't call it an "IDE" 
but it's got syntax highlighting and is very light weight. I really 
enjoy coding in it.

I also use RadRails (an Eclipse plugin) when doing Rails development on 
windows. When I'm working with either Rails or Ruby on a mac, I turn to 
TextMate (what else?). Hope this helps clear up some issues you're 
having.

I, for one, feel that the response you received was ridiculous. I 
started learning ruby and frequenting these boards about 6 months ago 
and the warm reception I received as a nuby was one of the main things 
that cause me to be so drawn to the language.

There may be a few people that are degrading the quality of these 
boards, but as said previously, you are very likely to get a nice, 
helpful response. Don't give up on ruby, it's a great language and a 
wonderful community (in my experience).

-Drew

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I appreciate your help, and I'm sure I'll forget this incident in short
order. However, there is one thing that really troubles me over the
long term.

It isn't that FreeRIDE and the other tool were being affected by bugs
in Ruby, that can be fixed. My problem is that unsupported software is
being shipped in the main distribution and the general attitude it "Oh
well, just try XXX".

This time it was just a basic IDE, but what about next time? It seems
to me that there is a really good chance that I am going to end up
developming something in Ruby 1.8.5, only to find out that one of the
libraries I rely on is not supported and the new version isn't
backwards compatible.

Will it really happen? Probably not. But the impression that it could,
and that Ruby doesn't have good oversight over it is distributing, make
me really nervious.

Jonathan


Drew Olson wrote:
> > That said, I still don't have an answer to my question about how to fix
> > FreeRIDE.
> >
> > Jonathan
>
> Here's an answer that might actually help you out :)
>
> I encountered the same issues when first delving into ruby. However, I
> soon discovered that the ruby one-click installer comes with a great
> little light-weight editor called SciTE. Check the install directory
> from the one-click, it should be there. Now, I wouldn't call it an "IDE"
> but it's got syntax highlighting and is very light weight. I really
> enjoy coding in it.
>
> I also use RadRails (an Eclipse plugin) when doing Rails development on
> windows. When I'm working with either Rails or Ruby on a mac, I turn to
> TextMate (what else?). Hope this helps clear up some issues you're
> having.
>
> I, for one, feel that the response you received was ridiculous. I
> started learning ruby and frequenting these boards about 6 months ago
> and the warm reception I received as a nuby was one of the main things
> that cause me to be so drawn to the language.
>
> There may be a few people that are degrading the quality of these
> boards, but as said previously, you are very likely to get a nice,
> helpful response. Don't give up on ruby, it's a great language and a
> wonderful community (in my experience).
> 
> -Drew
> 
> -- 
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

On Jan 22, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Grauenwolf@gmail.com wrote:
> It isn't that FreeRIDE and the other tool were being affected by bugs
> in Ruby, that can be fixed. My problem is that unsupported software is
> being shipped in the main distribution and the general attitude it "Oh
> well, just try XXX".

The one-click installer isn't the 'main distribution' for Ruby. It
is an independent project put together by a volunteer.  Perhaps it meets
your needs, perhaps not, but I don't think it would be accurate to  
view it
as the 'main distribution' of Ruby.

I'm also not sure that you should be expecting 'supported' software
in this case.  That usually implies you are purchasing some sort of
service plan from a vendor of some sort.  Sure, the 'community' might
be supporting it but that isn't the same thing as some sort of  
contracted
support.

Maybe I'm reading too much into your comments but it seems like you have
some unfounded expectations going into this endeavor.  That is a good
way to get disappointed.

Gary Wright

> > The one-click installer isn't the 'main distribution' for Ruby. It
> is an independent project put together by a volunteer.

Then Ruby has a serious perception issue it needs to be addressed. The
one-click installer is the very first entry listed under "Windows", is
described as "the best option for you", and has no mention that some of
the components are no longer being maintained.

> Maybe I'm reading too much into your comments but it seems like you have
> some unfounded expectations going into this endeavor.  That is a good
> way to get disappointed.

No, you are not reading too much into it. And the deeper I dig into
this, the more I'm disappointed.

In order to use tech like Ruby in a production setting, I need to know
that the software is "supported". To me that means that someone is
still comitted to maintaining the product and that when something goes
wrong, someone is willing to fix it.

That isn't the case with FX Ruby 1.2, even though it is only a couple
of years old. And I suspect there is some serious problems with the FX
Ruby team's philosophy, as it appears that it isn't an easy upgrade to
the current version. Of course, it may be the FreeRIDE team which has
the problem, I don't know.

If you guys want to be taken seriously by the business world, there is
a certain level of quality that needs to be reached. That includes
having reasonable control over the distributions on your own home page
and clear indication about what is being maintained and what isn't.

Now maybe that isn't your goal, which is fine. There is no shame in
targeting hobbyists. But the quality of work and attention to detail in
other areas suggests otherwise.

Jonathan

On Jan 22, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Grauenwolf@gmail.com wrote:

> If you guys want to be taken seriously by the business world, there is
> a certain level of quality that needs to be reached. That includes
> having reasonable control over the distributions on your own home page
> and clear indication about what is being maintained and what isn't.
>

I think you are imagining an organization that doesn't exist with
respect to Ruby.  The www.ruby-lang.org website is maintained entirely
by volunteers from the Ruby community. There is no Ruby Foundation
analogous to the Apache Software Foundation or the Mozilla Foundation
nor is their a commercial organization like Red Hat.

Maybe there should be.  But until then, the tone of your comments seems
somewhat untoward.

Gary Wright

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> Tell me something, why do you bother?



> I mean, clearly the only "help" you are willing to offer to people like=20
> me is to tell us how do google searches. So why not just ignore the=20
> question and let someone else field the answer?


How else is he supposed to prove that his Pretendy-Fun-Time e-penis is
bigger than yours?

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