The Ruid Concept




Not Spam  (no link, no website, no book, no speech, no nothing like
that)

Is Ruby  (written 100% in ruby, uses Ruby goodness, uses Ruby dynamic
OO to the max)

Is also CONCEPT =96  (but is also 100% implemented)


Is this an appropriate Bored for such a thing?

If not please explain and this is last message
If true then please continue

There are 8 parts.     Each part not trivial, but bigger than a
breadbox

One part is the Ru'id.

The Ru'id =93defines=94 all the other parts.

(Rather as an aircraft defines an Aircraft Carrier)


The =93ru'id=94 explains much of the HOW

The =93Ru'id_Reader=94 is where the real CONCEPT lives.


So we try talking of the Ruid Reader functions.

There are the simple and obvious (but obviously not obvious) ones:

1.Manage many =93ruid casings=94
      A support =93Drill-Down=94  (3 levels)
      B generate reports (or worksheets is better)
2.Project (by way of simple  Categorization ) something like a
DashBoard

The above is useful and given that the Ru'ids can be =93generated=94 from
any_where, any_time, any_expert

this is a =93closed=94 system of some interesting potential.

NOW we get could begin to get even more interesting.....
but if we cannot get past this, going forward to =93RuidCastings=94 /
RuidImages by way of statistical means would also be entirely futile.

QUESTION
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Why would this not be an appropriate topic for this board??

[Note:  parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

An appropriate topic for this is something that we can discuss that is
related to the use of the Ruby programming language.

As no one has the faintest idea about what you are talking about then there
is nothing that we can discuss.

Other than your attention whoring but that has nothing to do with Ruby
either.

On Apr 9, 2010, at 8:55 AM, thunk wrote:

> The Ruid Concept

> [snip]

> QUESTION
> =======
>
> Why would this not be an appropriate topic for this board??
>
>
>
This is appropriate, but you will have to provide a bit of code for  
replies to mean anything. If you have a design question, then show the  
code that implements the design. If your code has "issues" then show  
the snippet that seems to be causing problems.

Cheers--

Charles
--
Charles Johnson
Vanderbilt Advanced Computing Center for Research and Education
Office: 615-343-2776
Cell: 615-478-5743

Charles,

100% of the code is on the table to be available to a trusted party.

no fees (maybe expenses) IF the right party!  but with ND.

there are real reasons why this should be so.   The author sees a
legitimate
reason for some central control or chaos would reign.

another reason is that the author is not interested in working at a
"Ruid Central GitHub"

and there are more reasons!

On Apr 9, 10:15=A0am, thunk <gmkol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Charles,
>
> 100% of the code is on the table to be available to a trusted party.
>
> no fees (maybe expenses) IF the right party! =A0but with ND.
>
> there are real reasons why this should be so. =A0 The author sees a
> legitimate
> reason for some central control or chaos would reign.
>
> another reason is that the author is not interested in working at a
> "Ruid Central GitHub"
>
> and there are more reasons!

Then you have answered your own question. There is nothing to discuss.

On Apr 9, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Intransition wrote:

>
> Then you have answered your own question. There is nothing to discuss.
>
I am under the impression, having actually spoken to the man himself,  
that he understands that ruby-talk is code focussed, and that high- 
level design discussions without code being exhibited are not likely  
to be very helpful here. He is looking for assistance with his  
project, but at the moment he is not willing to open source it; he  
understands (I think) that someone here might be willing to help, but  
that discussions of that should be done elsewhere.

~Charles~
--
Charles Johnson
Vanderbilt Advanced Computing Center for Research and Education
Office: 615-343-2776
Cell: 615-478-5743

Charles Johnson wrote:
> He is looking for assistance with his
> project, but at the moment he is not willing to open source it; he
> understands (I think) that someone here might be willing to help, but
> that discussions of that should be done elsewhere.
> 
> ~Charles~

Last chance.
I have created http://trevoke.net/ruids and emailed thunk the admin 
username/password.

Hopefully, a proper conversation the way thunk wants it can happen 
there.
-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

On 4/9/10, Charles Johnson <charles.johnson@accre.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
> I am under the impression, having actually spoken to the man himself,
> that he understands that ruby-talk is code focussed, and that high-
> level design discussions without code being exhibited are not likely
> to be very helpful here. He is looking for assistance with his
> project, but at the moment he is not willing to open source it; he
> understands (I think) that someone here might be willing to help, but
> that discussions of that should be done elsewhere.

For my part, discussions of just a design, with no code, would be
fine, provided some reasonably comprehensible description of that
design is forthcoming. So far, that has not happened. I have provided
thunk with some (hopefully constructive) criticisms of what his
writings and suggestions of how to improve them. But it doesn't seem
to have done any good. He seems to be one of those people who, when
someone says something he does not want to hear, it goes in one ear
and right out the other.

On Apr 9, 10:05=A0am, Intransition <transf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:15=A0am, thunk <gmkol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Charles,
>
> > 100% of the code is on the table to be available to a trusted party.
>
> > no fees (maybe expenses) IF the right party! =A0but with ND.
>
> > there are real reasons why this should be so. =A0 The author sees a
> > legitimate
> > reason for some central control or chaos would reign.
>
> > another reason is that the author is not interested in working at a
> > "Ruid Central GitHub"
>
> > and there are more reasons!
>
> Then you have answered your own question. There is nothing to discuss.

Oh did he?

thunk slept with Valerian last night
(attributed to Hippocrates circa 425 BC btw)

and has revved down from 10k to 8k or so.   Carbon blown out, and
feeling more like "real work" all the time.

he blasted out 4 topics that dance around this camp fire.

and one thing all can appreciate is this: making 3 years of work
available to all including those eying his secret market - is NOT-
REVERSIBLE - it is not like one can say, ahh, whoops, you guys are not
on my page and i'm not on your page and so on.  it is done, and the
COMMERCIAL folks like MiniTab and Mathematica could say "Thunky ol'
chap, why should we talk to you, when everything you've done is like
everywhere and anywhere on the web already" and we can chat it up with
folks that know more about AI than you do??

so it is just not as simple as some might like it to be.  maybe it is,
but the thought of a Free DEMO (see last 40 posts - not new thought)
seems like a better compromise as best ol' thunk can understand.

and all this campfire stuff has been blasted into text at full on
thunk speed but maybe it will make sense.  maybe not BUT IT SEEMS LIKE
A FAIR PLACE TO START IF THERE IS A START TO BE HAD.

and Thunk does love Ruby and would like to share.  I'm not sure why
else he would be here really.


thunk
http://trevoke.net/ruids/


(thanks for this site / and it will be kept off line / if folks have
questions they will be carefully considered.)

Please, if you have a concrete, specific question about Ruby, by all
means post it.

Vague talk about unknown things just does not make any sense. Not
questioning the openness of the software, that is your choice, just
saying there's nothing concrete to discuss and thus I believe this
thread should stop.

On Apr 10, 5:39=A0am, Xavier Noria <f...@hashref.com> wrote:
> Please, if you have a concrete, specific question about Ruby, by all
> means post it.
>
> Vague talk about unknown things just does not make any sense. Not
> questioning the openness of the software, that is your choice, just
> saying there's nothing concrete to discuss and thus I believe this
> thread should stop.

Thunk has been programming in Ruby for 3 years.  The Pick Ax book and
an occasional guru talk with a certain "Amazing Ramazian" has answered
all his questions so far.  Really, and so there is this concentrated
set now of 8 modules of condensed Ruby Goodness THAT HAS GENERAL
UTILITY.  'AMAZING" general utility in the view of a man that has
programmed for over 30 years and has never failed to finish a project
he starts.  and a man that Loves Ruby.

He's sees this GENERAL UTILITY as few beginner programmers may be able
to because he "has been there, and done a lot of THAT".  dON'T get him
started but there are folks that were SHOT in Mexico, there are
partners that cheated, there are is some history of PHDs from Hong
Kong that then worked for MS, there is a junior programmer that is now
in charge of IT for Mitutoyo.  There are Who's Who professors....
yup, and software that collected QUALITY data all over the world, no
kidding, programming was not invented in 2000 or something kids.

IT WORKS,  if I was asking questions I would be faking, and i would
not do that.

I'm frustrated that some folks still want to believe that i'm an
idiot, and that there is even a guy that has taken time to drag up
really strange things from a Snow Shoe trip, and ready to ignore all
the rest - how strange is that.

Anyway BOTTOM.BOTTOM.BOTTOM.LINE

has been putting his "stuff" out at
http://trevoke.net/ruids/

and it is really general and all but it is where he is living, and
where it goes or what it becomes is up to you folks.  as is, it looks
like that might be the end of it.  And you guys can all play
RubyWarrior and wink yourselves off.

Xavior,


PS   Ol' thunk thinks he sees a "OUTLIER" situation here, folks are
connecting the WRONG dots....

and he will tell anybody that he thinks RUBY has let him do things he
really did not even expect to be able to do.

RUBY has opened barriers of old....

RUBY is the reason Thunk thought this might be an appropriate place to
talk about all this.

Honestly

not to insult folks but here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier


and again....it seems fair to include this, as there is no SPAM as the
author can understand it anywhere.  NOTHING!  but chats about this
whole thing.

http://trevoke.net/ruids/

OK, this seems to be generated text.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:15 AM, thunk <gmkoller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Charles,
>
> 100% of the code is on the table to be available to a trusted party.
>
> no fees (maybe expenses) IF the right party! =A0but with ND.
>
BOLLOCKS! I gave you a non disclosure signed. We even talked about it
on the phone.
I won't do a in person meet up just for a code drop because that's INSANE!
I gave you a signed ND so don't pull that line on us.

The only thing we have here is a textbook case for how badly broken
health care is in the USA.
This list is for ruby programming.=A0 Your a smart guy so I don't get
why this is so hard to understand.

I am very rarely this annoyed, but the truth had to be told. I
apologize if my language offended anyone.

Andrew McElroy


>
> there are real reasons why this should be so. =A0 The author sees a
> legitimate
> reason for some central control or chaos would reign.
>
> another reason is that the author is not interested in working at a
> "Ruid Central GitHub"
>
> and there are more reasons!
>
>
>
>

On 2010-04-10, andrew mcelroy <sophrinix@gmail.com> wrote:
>[thunk]
>> there are real reasons why this should be so. � The author sees a
>> legitimate
>> reason for some central control or chaos would reign.

Okay, yeah, this guy is mentally unwell.

Thunk, if you were for real, you would know that you would have complete
control over YOUR BRANCH.  Which is all that matters.  It doesn't matter
if other people want to fork or not; what matters is that you demonstrate,
or explain, anything.  But you can't, because you don't have anything.
Nothing exists.  There's just a bunch of fleeting thoughts which capture
your attention so strongly that you have to talk about them, but they've
never turned into anything which has a real, functional, form.

Please see a mental health professional.

-s
-- 
Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed.  Peter Seebach / usenet-nospam@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

>
> Andrew McElroy


Was confident enough to announce to this group what he thought this
was, right?

On his side there were kids needing piano lessons, and a SawsAll.  On
my side, I was in total awe of his understanding of all this and he
told me about Python and functions and Google and I made a lot of
notes in a 15/20 minute conversation which.....  made sense to me.

I was ready to drive to Hendersonville to meet him, as, yes, I rather
old fashioned about who I trust.

Given the way he is framing things that decision, in retrospect, seems
like it makes sense.  Or?

Thunk

Seebs wrote:
> On 2010-04-10, andrew mcelroy <sophrinix@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[thunk]
>>> there are real reasons why this should be so. � The author sees a
>>> legitimate
>>> reason for some central control or chaos would reign.
> 
> Okay, yeah, this guy is mentally unwell.
> 

Wow, I find it funny that Think speaks in third person.

Thunk, IF you are real then you could alwys just send code snippets, 
with out revealing all your 'secrets'.

But, I don't quite think you'll listen to my (or anyone's for that 
matter) opinion.

I am curious as to why his IP has not been banned yet. He seems to be 
just spamming and getting everyone annoyed.
-- 
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On Apr 10, 12:36=A0pm, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2010-04-10, andrew mcelroy <sophri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >[thunk]
> >> there are real reasons why this should be so. =A0 The author sees a
> >> legitimate
> >> reason for some central control or chaos would reign.
>
> Okay, yeah, this guy is mentally unwell.
>
> Thunk, if you were for real, you would know that you would have complete
> control over YOUR BRANCH. =A0Which is all that matters. =A0It doesn't mat=
ter
> if other people want to fork or not; what matters is that you demonstrate=
,
> or explain, anything. =A0But you can't, because you don't have anything.
> Nothing exists. =A0There's just a bunch of fleeting thoughts which captur=
e
> your attention so strongly that you have to talk about them, but they've
> never turned into anything which has a real, functional, form.
>
> Please see a mental health professional.
>
> -s
> --
> Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed. =A0Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@see=
bs.nethttp://www.seebs.net/log/<-- lawsuits, religion, and funny picturesht=
tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!


Funny you should mention this. Four years ago I was "certified" to be
not crazy.  And how many of you can say that ;)  -

No, it is about enjoying the visual and understanding how our minds
can work with us and how THEY ARE NOT MACHINES whether we feel like
they should be or not.  And given a background in Blue Sky research
(R&D Kimberly Clark) and a few such things the author enjoys working
with and not against the deeper powers.  Walked past a book titled
something we are all capable of greater things (it wasn't that low
key, but I don't want to make this sound too....)

BUT in MY day - StepWise was the thing.  And I will always try to go
to bed with a problem, because I know that 90% plus chance I will wake
up with the solution "handed to me" - if you guys really don't believe
this happens, well, I feel sorry for you because you are missing
something I have enjoyed and found to be a productivity enhancer to
the first order.  It might explain why I ENJOY programming - it has
never been work.

As for not existing, well, wanna bet??  I'm serious, anybody really
smug and sure enough to take on  bet about this stuff???   It exists,
and it is doing work of a modest sort - but I cannot think why cannot
do much more.

And that's just 100% the truth.

Thunk

On 2010-04-10, H- 16 <s1ay3r44@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am curious as to why his IP has not been banned yet. He seems to be 
> just spamming and getting everyone annoyed.

Usenet does not have "IP bans".  Under the hood, there is a Usenet newsgroup
here, and anyone and anything can post to that.

-s
-- 
Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed.  Peter Seebach / usenet-nospam@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

thunk wrote:
>> Funny you should mention this. Four years ago I was "certified" to be
>> not crazy.  And how many of you can say that ;)  -
>....
> As for not existing, well, wanna bet??  I'm serious, anybody really
> smug and sure enough to take on  bet about this stuff???   It exists,
> and it is doing work of a modest sort - but I cannot think why cannot
> do much more.
> 
> And that's just 100% the truth.
> 
> Thunk

Not to throw dirt in your face but why did you feel you had to be 
tested?

And dude, you are talking like you're just here to annoy everyone.

If you're not, then don't drive off topic like you just did. Please?

I gave you a simple solution to showus some code, without compromising 
your work.

And many others here have also done that as well, HECK, trevoke even 
made a site for you to show us this stuff! And that's not something one 
can do in about five minutes!

And I just looked through the site, and I'm still at a loss of why, and 
what a ruid is. In plan english... what exactly does it do? And please 
do'nt go way off topic. I'm practically begging you.
-- 
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Seebs wrote:
> On 2010-04-10, H- 16 <s1ay3r44@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am curious as to why his IP has not been banned yet. He seems to be 
>> just spamming and getting everyone annoyed.
> 
> Usenet does not have "IP bans".  Under the hood, there is a Usenet 
> newsgroup
> here, and anyone and anything can post to that.
> 
> -s

Ahh, okay, thanks for the clarifacation.
-- 
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[Note:  parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:40 PM, thunk <gmkoller@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Andrew McElroy
>
>
> Was confident enough to announce to this group what he thought this
> was, right?
>
> There is no shame in giving some the benefit of the doubt they have
something up front.


> On his side there were kids needing piano lessons, and a SawsAll.  On
>
What the explicative are you talking about?
I don't have any children.
I do animal rescue and work on try ruby. That's as close as that gets to
what your talking about.


> my side, I was in total awe of his understanding of all this and he
> told me about Python and functions and Google and I made a lot of
> notes in a 15/20 minute conversation which.....  made sense to me.
>

Because python and google (which are off topic here) are real things.
They can be understood. Your boid/ruids are pretty much an ambiguous
religion.
Even time cube is more coherent.
There are no artifacts that can be observed. You might as well be screaming
about
an alien language you learned from light reflections off of titan.


>
> I was ready to drive to Hendersonville to meet him, as, yes, I rather
> old fashioned about who I trust.
>


> Given the way he is framing things that decision, in retrospect, seems
> like it makes sense.  Or?
>
> An ad hominem attack is quiet tempting right now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

The best thing you can do is unsubscribe from this list and get mental help.
Seriously, the symptoms you display are in the DSM-IV-TR.
This is no joke.


> Thunk
>
>

On 2010-04-10, H- 16 <s1ay3r44@gmail.com> wrote:
> thunk wrote:
>> As for not existing, well, wanna bet??

Why would I bet someone who is obviously a cheater, and doesn't understand
how source code works?

Post the project or don't.  If you don't, it doesn't exist.

As they say on the internet:  Screenshot or it didn't happen.

>> I'm serious, anybody really
>> smug and sure enough to take on  bet about this stuff???   It exists,
>> and it is doing work of a modest sort - but I cannot think why cannot
>> do much more.

Possibly because it doesn't really exist, and doesn't really work, because
the person supposedly working on it can't actually complete a simple
declarative sentence in English, and thus presumably *does not know what
it supposedly is*?

> And dude, you are talking like you're just here to annoy everyone.

Ayup.

> And I just looked through the site, and I'm still at a loss of why, and 
> what a ruid is. In plan english... what exactly does it do? And please 
> do'nt go way off topic. I'm practically begging you.

He can't tell you, because he doesn't have any idea what it does.  I
suspect that if we ever do find something, it'll be a PaulaBean labeled
"brillant".

-s
-- 
Copyright 2010, all wrongs reversed.  Peter Seebach / usenet-nospam@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!

On Apr 10, 4:12=A0pm, Seebs <usenet-nos...@seebs.net> wrote:
> On 2010-04-10, H- 16 <s1ay3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > thunk wrote:
> >> As for not existing, well, wanna bet??
>
> Why would I bet someone who is obviously a cheater, and doesn't understan=
d
> how source code works?
>
> Post the project or don't. =A0If you don't, it doesn't exist.
>
> As they say on the internet: =A0Screenshot or it didn't happen.
>
> >> I'm serious, anybody really
> >> smug and sure enough to take on =A0bet about this stuff??? =A0 It exis=
ts,
> >> and it is doing work of a modest sort - but I cannot think why cannot
> >> do much more.
>
> Possibly because it doesn't really exist, and doesn't really work, becaus=
e
> the person supposedly working on it can't actually complete a simple
> declarative sentence in English, and thus presumably *does not know what
> it supposedly is*?
>
> > And dude, you are talking like you're just here to annoy everyone.
>
> Ayup.
>
> > And I just looked through the site, and I'm still at a loss of why, and
> > what a ruid is. In plan english... what exactly does it do? And please
> > do'nt go way off topic. I'm practically begging you.


http://trevoke.net/ruids/index.php?topic=3D5.0

Pretty much says it.   It takes a part in a set of like classes
(therefore the swarm).  There are multiple Types but the "standard"
type makes a few assertions, messages get attached (by the expert) and
a conclusion gets reached (5 sections / 5 DSLs)

The "big secret" to making some basic sense of the conclusions is that
each Ruid has basic "categorization" - done into the Header section of
the Ruid.

THEY are simple - so they can be authored using nothing more than a
"picklist" driven "expert session" which would be key part of a DEMO
system (and must be Web based).   And was done in WEE and tested and
so on.

The SWARM_READER is in charge of making sense of the "Image" made
after the Ruids contact "Screens".   Screens are about presenting
information (like a patient record) to the Ruid.   The Ru'id "docks"
with a "HelperClass" - the HelperClass is something also used by
Ruleby (the author is happy to report).

The "HelperClasses" is where a "Ru'id Programmer must spend his/her
effort.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

If you've followed along these terms are somewhat familiar.  If not
they may or may not make much sense but if I knew other terms I WOULD
USE THEM.  So I have "invented" what makes the very best sense to me -
and adopted when I get clues - for example the term "Boid" is being
carefully avoided.  The term "Swarm" fits WAY too well, I am not
giving that one up because the Ruids are executed in "Waves" -   a 2nd
wave can use the info deposited by the first Wave and so it goes.

So, Seebs, is this making some sense now, or does this seem like
something from another planet?   This medium has limited utility, this
type of thing is best done in conversation and I am sensitive to
glazed looks, and can adjust.
In this medium all I can do is blast my best effort out there and see
the postings to tell me if folks think I'm crazy or not.   If I could
not hit f5 and see 200 or so do what they do, well, I guess I'd be
wondering also.....

and that's my run at it, here


Thunk

thunk wrote:
> http://trevoke.net/ruids/index.php?topic=5.0
> 
> Pretty much says it.   It takes a part in a set of like classes
> (therefore the swarm).  There are multiple Types but the "standard"
> type makes a few assertions, messages get attached (by the expert) and
> a conclusion gets reached (5 sections / 5 DSLs)
> 
> The "big secret" to making some basic sense of the conclusions is that
> each Ruid has basic "categorization" - done into the Header section of
> the Ruid.
> 
> THEY are simple - so they can be authored using nothing more than a
> "picklist" driven "expert session" which would be key part of a DEMO
> system (and must be Web based).   And was done in WEE and tested and
> so on.
> 
> The SWARM_READER is in charge of making sense of the "Image" made
> after the Ruids contact "Screens".   Screens are about presenting
> information (like a patient record) to the Ruid.   The Ru'id "docks"
> with a "HelperClass" - the HelperClass is something also used by
> Ruleby (the author is happy to report).
> 
> The "HelperClasses" is where a "Ru'id Programmer must spend his/her
> effort.
> 
> =================================
> 

Ok, so what's the entire point of the program? What EXACTLY does it do? 
And can you give us even a LITTLE code. If you can't you can't be 
helped.

P.S. If you haven't noticed I'm just about the only one giving you a 
chance right about now. I wouldn't take that kindness for granted. Nuff 
said...
-- 
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

On Apr 10, 8:00=A0pm, H- 16 <s1ay3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thunk wrote:
> >http://trevoke.net/ruids/index.php?topic=3D5.0
>
> > Pretty much says it. =A0 It takes a part in a set of like classes
> > (therefore the swarm). =A0There are multiple Types but the "standard"
> > type makes a few assertions, messages get attached (by the expert) and
> > a conclusion gets reached (5 sections / 5 DSLs)
>
> > The "big secret" to making some basic sense of the conclusions is that
> > each Ruid has basic "categorization" - done into the Header section of
> > the Ruid.
>
> > THEY are simple - so they can be authored using nothing more than a
> > "picklist" driven "expert session" which would be key part of a DEMO
> > system (and must be Web based). =A0 And was done in WEE and tested and
> > so on.
>
> > The SWARM_READER is in charge of making sense of the "Image" made
> > after the Ruids contact "Screens". =A0 Screens are about presenting
> > information (like a patient record) to the Ruid. =A0 The Ru'id "docks"
> > with a "HelperClass" - the HelperClass is something also used by
> > Ruleby (the author is happy to report).
>
> > The "HelperClasses" is where a "Ru'id Programmer must spend his/her
> > effort.
>
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Ok, so what's the entire point of the program? What EXACTLY does it do?
> And can you give us even a LITTLE code. If you can't you can't be
> helped.
>
> P.S. If you haven't noticed I'm just about the only one giving you a
> chance right about now. I wouldn't take that kindness for granted. Nuff
> said...
> --
> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.


There is some general utility for certain problem types.

Just about "any" report / data processing Could be done in a system
like this but that would make very little sense!  However there are
several easy to represent problem types where the system would present
many significant advantages due to the fact that the Ru'id units can
be contributed from "outside" the system (via an expert web session).
The simplest set to recognize, imho, is "the shopping basket" (system)
situation.  Ru'ids could tear apart everything and anything in a
shopping basket and make sense of what there is to make sense of (eg
if it is a single computer they could give you a report on peer
systems, tell you your cables are too small, and that you may be
forgetting the CPU heat sink grease.) That was the ORIGINAL idea - 3
years ago.


http://trevoke.net/ruids/index.php?topic=3D3.0

On Apr 10, 8:00=A0pm, H- 16 <s1ay3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thunk wrote:
> >http://trevoke.net/ruids/index.php?topic=3D5.0
>
> > Pretty much says it. =A0 It takes a part in a set of like classes
> > (therefore the swarm). =A0There are multiple Types but the "standard"
> > type makes a few assertions, messages get attached (by the expert) and
> > a conclusion gets reached (5 sections / 5 DSLs)
>
> > The "big secret" to making some basic sense of the conclusions is that
> > each Ruid has basic "categorization" - done into the Header section of
> > the Ruid.
>
> > THEY are simple - so they can be authored using nothing more than a
> > "picklist" driven "expert session" which would be key part of a DEMO
> > system (and must be Web based). =A0 And was done in WEE and tested and
> > so on.
>
> > The SWARM_READER is in charge of making sense of the "Image" made
> > after the Ruids contact "Screens". =A0 Screens are about presenting
> > information (like a patient record) to the Ruid. =A0 The Ru'id "docks"
> > with a "HelperClass" - the HelperClass is something also used by
> > Ruleby (the author is happy to report).
>
> > The "HelperClasses" is where a "Ru'id Programmer must spend his/her
> > effort.
>
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Ok, so what's the entire point of the program? What EXACTLY does it do?
> And can you give us even a LITTLE code. If you can't you can't be
> helped.
>
> P.S. If you haven't noticed I'm just about the only one giving you a
> chance right about now. I wouldn't take that kindness for granted. Nuff
> said...
> --
> Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/.

Dear H-16

ahhhh Thunk did not come here asking a specific question.  His subject
title was "It's a Bird, it's a Plane, um, ahhh, it's a Boid?"   and, I
believe it was a clear question of "what are these things".  Well,
nobody has been able to say (I had code up) but thunk thinks it is
clear that since it is not threaded or fibered (and does not need
this) it is something "new", and so was born a new name that did not
any carry AI baggage.


No desire to repeat himself, sorry, but there is a lot of confusion,
it might seem.  How can such a simple plug-let class be useful?

BTW  are you any relation to H-8  (my very first computer from
Heathkit :) )

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:55 PM, thunk <gmkoller@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Ruid Concept
<snip>
> QUESTION
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> Why would this not be an appropriate topic for this board??

But it is! Look how many replies you got!!! People just love to kid
with you (YHS e.g.) or holler at you (some others).
Or would you like to get somehow "more" out of it?
Cheers
Robert
>
>
>
>



--=20
Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilou=
s.=94
--- Confucius

>
> > Why would this not be an appropriate topic for this board??
>
> But it is! Look how many replies you got!!! People just love to kid
> with you (YHS e.g.) or holler at you (some others).
> Or would you like to get somehow "more" out of it?
> Cheers
> Robert

My buzzword trap has caught a few things; DISTRIBUTED is something I
"know" but didn't have a clue on how to express.  The intrinsic (?)
value of these things seem to be that they can be "generated" via a
simple web "session".  Where, here "session" means "filling out a
form, basically".  Without that word it was steep up-hill but even
with it, not much glimmer of recognition here, seemingly, on what this
could mean.

I concocted a "realistic" (as far as I know) scenario where a life (or
2 or 3) could be saved daily - but the question came up only on
"Games".

The answer is a resounding YES but the open source world continues to
confound me with things like IronRuby OPEN-SOURCE from MicroSoft???
My golly, are they not the Evil Empire?   And why was "Matz" (a
genuine HERO, in my book) wearing a Python T-Shirt? at IronRuby.

I am feeling OK with it all given the sandbox to put the situation up
in once somewhat cohesive manner at

http://trevoke.net/ruids/

(nothing for sale, only ideas on how something could happen that makes
sense to everybody (including me) given all the circumstances.  Just
putting it up to a gitHub without support, without documentation, and
"to see what happens" just does not seem to make any sense.)

On the other hand - honestly - the more I have learned the more I
think it could be an interesting contribution at the right time.



George

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:15 PM, thunk <gmkoller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Why would this not be an appropriate topic for this board??
>>
>> But it is! Look how many replies you got!!! People just love to kid
>> with you (YHS e.g.) or holler at you (some others).
>> Or would you like to get somehow "more" out of it?
>> Cheers
>> Robert
>
> My buzzword trap has caught a few things; DISTRIBUTED is something I
> "know" but didn't have a clue on how to express. =A0The intrinsic (?)
> value of these things seem to be that they can be "generated" via a
> simple web "session". =A0Where, here "session" means "filling out a
> form, basically". =A0Without that word it was steep up-hill but even
> with it, not much glimmer of recognition here, seemingly, on what this
> could mean.
>
> I concocted a "realistic" (as far as I know) scenario where a life (or
> 2 or 3) could be saved daily - but the question came up only on
> "Games".
>
> The answer is a resounding YES but the open source world continues to
> confound me with things like IronRuby OPEN-SOURCE from MicroSoft???
> My golly, are they not the Evil Empire? =A0 And why was "Matz" (a
> genuine HERO, in my book) wearing a Python T-Shirt? at IronRuby.
>
> I am feeling OK with it all given the sandbox to put the situation up
> in once somewhat cohesive manner at
>
> http://trevoke.net/ruids/
>
> (nothing for sale, only ideas on how something could happen that makes
> sense to everybody (including me) given all the circumstances. =A0Just
> putting it up to a gitHub without support, without documentation, and
> "to see what happens" just does not seem to make any sense.)
>
> On the other hand - honestly - the more I have learned the more I
> think it could be an interesting contribution at the right time.
>
It sure could be, but maybe the fact is that we simply do not
understand what you are talking about? If you are not understood it is
completely useless to repeat over and over again what you are saying,
it might however help to use the language of the people you are
talking too. As you might undoubtedly conclude from my writings I am
one of those poor non native speakers, who have to settle of a very
simple usage of English in order to communicate...
This said I completely understand your frustration about not being
understood ore honored at your true value. As a matter of fact few of
us are and communication problems play a major role in this.

HTH
R.
>
>
> George
>
>
>



--=20
Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilou=
s.=94
--- Confucius

...
> This said I completely understand your frustration about not being
> understood ore honored at your true value. As a matter of fact few of
> us are and communication problems play a major role in this.


Robert,

Some people have asked "What does it do?", and my internal reaction to
this is "what does Ruby do?" because I cannot answer the 2nd question
without saying it is a "Computer Language something like Smalltalk" or
so.

This "Ru'id Framework" so to say is NOT a language, and not really a
FrameWork  anything like Wee, Ramaze  Web are frameworks.

I had my head "stuck" into the code, and I was not thinking everyday
"what does this do", I was thinking much more only "how to I get this
all to come together so it does what I need it to do?".
Encapsulating  "pieces of expertise" is a longer range goal, not an
immediate goal.

Today, after your posting, I started thinking "Concept" - what's the
overall concept and I have started writing something more on that up
at that sandbox of mine   THANK YOU 'TREVOKE'  Whoever you are!!
Because these threads are not really good for such things.

But just thinking about this for a few minutes I believe it only first
came to me that a "Complexity" bullet is/was dodged by using all kinds
of Dynamic OO - that otherwise would have been a super MESS.

As things are now: These "Ru'ids" can just keep being appended to a
"kicked off system" with ZERO changes to the system - theoretically.
However New Classes and New methods into existing classes can expand
the capability at anytime.   These two "modules" are the only place
non-system work would be done in a "Ru'id farm" which is a
knowledge_base but because of the distributed nature of the Ru'ids can
come from anybody, any...   blablabla - I've said all this before.
The Web does this for us.  So - this is about "leveraging the Web" -
another thing I'll have to think about - but it is true - its a way
for a Doctor in Israel to record the result of an Event, and for that
piece of information to get wrapped into a bundle of text, shot around
the USA, and pop up in Boston just in time to save a life (or make a
move in a checkers game?)....

I'll keep spending time in my "sandbox" and explaining this better as
I strain to think about this all.   Thanks for making me think on
this.   Remember I was very involved with software that did this stuff
inside corporations in the 1990s BUT IT WAS NOT 'WEB" - it was "my"
stuff.  However, although I could be surprised, it sure seems like the
Web can transfer a silly little Text File - and that is,  from the
outside, all these things are!   A certain Michael F had this all set
up at horrific speeds using some library from FaceBook that I can't
think of (BeanStalk?).  The performance seemed unbelievable.


George

> This "Ru'id Framework" so to say is NOT a language, and not really a
> FrameWork =C2=A0anything like Wee, Ramaze =C2=A0Web are frameworks.

It's not a language. It is not a framework. It's not even an idea.
It's  just a device you use to spam the list. There is no code,
there will never be any code. Just more text which makes no sense.
I don't know, maybe you did produce FIVE systems "inside coroporations"
but looks like those days are long over. All you are producing is noise.

Regards,
Rimantas
--
http://rimantas.com/