Hi:

    I'm agonizing over my collapsed NTVDM on my Win XP Pro development 
machine (my 16-bit apps start up and stop immediately).

    As a last resort, I guess I'll have to upgrade to Win 7 (Pro or 
Ultimate).

Question: Will I be able to use cmd.exe (or its analog in Win7) to execute 
my older 16-bit stuff apps in Win 7 ?

Thanks for any guidance.

btw, most all my work is done at the command prompt, and I'm lost now.

-Mel Smith

Hi

cmd.exe in windows 7 yes ,( i use here)
16bits apps no

Regards
Luiz

On 23 fev, 15:08, "Mel Smith" <medsyn...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> =A0 =A0 I'm agonizing over my collapsed NTVDM on my Win XP Pro developmen=
t
> machine (my 16-bit apps start up and stop immediately).
>
> =A0 =A0 As a last resort, I guess I'll have to upgrade to Win 7 (Pro or
> Ultimate).
>
> Question: Will I be able to use cmd.exe (or its analog in Win7) to execut=
e
> my older 16-bit stuff apps in Win 7 ?
>
> Thanks for any guidance.
>
> btw, most all my work is done at the command prompt, and I'm lost now.
>
> -Mel Smith

Luiz said:

cmd.exe in windows 7 yes ,( i use here)
16bits apps no


    So, my favourite app and the one I've been using for nearly 20 years 
(foxplus.exe) can no longer be used ??

    I am *crushed* !!

-Mel Smith

Dear Mel Smith:

On Feb 23, 11:08=A0am, "Mel Smith" <medsyn...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 I'm agonizing over my collapsed NTVDM on my Win
> XP Pro development machine (my 16-bit apps start up
> and stop immediately).
>
> =A0 =A0 As a last resort, I guess I'll have to upgrade to
> Win 7 (Pro or Ultimate).
>
> Question: Will I be able to use cmd.exe (or its analog
> in Win7) to execute my older 16-bit stuff apps in Win 7 ?
>
> Thanks for any guidance.
>
> btw, most all my work is done at the command prompt,
> and I'm lost now.

I still have a command prompt on my Win7 64-bit OS machine...

If you have Win7 Professional or higher, you can download "Virtual
Windows XP" from Micro$haft, at it *will* run 16-bit applications.
Only necessary if you are running the 64-bit version of the OS.  The
32-bit version will natively run 16-bit (but not make full use of
system resources).

I miss the Search function in older Windows.  What they have now is
*not* intuitive.  But this OS does not seem to slow down over time,
like WinXP did.

David A. Smith

David said:

I still have a command prompt on my Win7 64-bit OS machine...

If you have Win7 Professional or higher, you can download "Virtual
Windows XP" from Micro$haft, at it *will* run 16-bit applications.
Only necessary if you are running the 64-bit version of the OS.  The
32-bit version will natively run 16-bit (but not make full use of
system resources).

I miss the Search function in older Windows.  What they have now is
*not* intuitive.  But this OS does not seem to slow down over time,
like WinXP did.

David:

    Prior to my going shopping for Win 7 Professiional, this morning I 
downloaded DOSBOX.  I have not yet installed it, but will try later this 
afternoon, after I complete *another* antivirus scan / run on my development 
machine.

    Its been 3 hours so far doing this run (using the GMER1.0.15.15281 
antivirus package). Supposedly it can repair the damage that the MBR (Master 
Boot Record) virus causes.  Anyway, it turns out that after all my agony, 
I'm left with a non-operative NTVDM sub-system -- and I'm hoping for 
miracles after the scan / repair completes.

    So, I'll probably try to install the DOSBOX package later this 
afternoon.

Thanks for your response.

-Mel
 

Dear Mel Smith:

On Feb 23, 1:29=A0pm, "Mel Smith" <medsyn...@aol.com> wrote:
....
> =A0 =A0 Prior to my going shopping for Win 7 Professiional,
> this morning I downloaded DOSBOX. =A0I have not yet
> installed it, but will try later this afternoon, after I
> complete *another* antivirus scan / run on my
> development machine.

Sorry.

> =A0 =A0 Its been 3 hours so far doing this run (using the
> GMER1.0.15.15281 antivirus package). Supposedly
> it can repair the damage that the MBR (Master
> Boot Record) virus causes.

Installing Win7 will fix this too, since it overwrites the MBR.

>=A0Anyway, it turns out that after all my agony,
> I'm left with a non-operative NTVDM sub-system --
> and I'm hoping for miracles after the scan / repair
> completes.

Fingers crossed.

> =A0 =A0 So, I'll probably try to install the DOSBOX
> package later this afternoon.

Never used it.  Let me know how it goes.  I have Win7 Pro, and I use
this:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

David A. Smith

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Dear Mel Smith:


David said:
....
> Prior to my going shopping for Win 7 Professiional,
> this morning I downloaded DOSBOX. I have not yet
> installed it, but will try later this afternoon, after I
> complete *another* antivirus scan / run on my
> development machine.

Sorry.

> Its been 3 hours so far doing this run (using the
> GMER1.0.15.15281 antivirus package). Supposedly
> it can repair the damage that the MBR (Master
> Boot Record) virus causes.

Installing Win7 will fix this too, since it overwrites the MBR.


    Good !!!



> Anyway, it turns out that after all my agony,
> I'm left with a non-operative NTVDM sub-system --
> and I'm hoping for miracles after the scan / repair
> completes.

Fingers crossed.

> So, I'll probably try to install the DOSBOX
> package later this afternoon.

Never used it.  Let me know how it goes.  I have Win7 Pro, and I use
this:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx


I'll let you know if I install DOSBOX and *if* it works.

btw,  its now been *five* hours since I started the antivirus run (on my 
development machine), and it still going like hell !

Thanks for your help !

-Mel

David:

    No joy :((

    The 8-hour run found no further viruses, and *still* NTVDM 'runs' but 
immediately returns without actually executing my 16-bit executable (i.e., 
foxpluse.exe and foxpro.exe)  or my older editor TheSemware Editor (TSE).

    So, I guess tomorrow I buy (on amazon.com)  Windows 7 for $171.

    And I'll start using the upgraded editor from The Semware Group: g32.exe

    Basically, I now just need a good 32-bit FoxPro/Foxbase/FoxPlus 
'look-alike'.

    and I suppose that I'll find a bunch of obstacles on my way to getting / 
installing Win 7. Oh well ...

Thanks for your comments and the link for the download for Virtual Win XP

-Mel

David:

    I forgot to mention that DOSBOX is a bit 'painful' to use but I'm going 
to struggle with it, and see if I can get a batch file working that will 
allow me to use foxplus.exe tomorrow  on a varity of databases in a bunch of 
different directories..

    I got a shortcut to DOSBOX on my desktop, and it *does* work. But you 
have to use a bunch of 'mount' commands that I haven't tried seriously yet.

-Mel

>      I'm agonizing over my collapsed NTVDM on my Win XP Pro development
> machine (my 16-bit apps start up and stop immediately).
>      As a last resort, I guess I'll have to upgrade to Win 7 (Pro or
> Ultimate).

reminder: 64-bit Win 7 DOES NOT run 16-bit applications. You could even 
install them.

Not too sure if WinXP mode would do ... But if it couldn't, the last 
option was to use a virtual machine + win98 image.

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> reminder: 64-bit Win 7 DOES NOT run 16-bit applications. You could even 
> install them.
>
> Not too sure if WinXP mode would do ... But if it couldn't, the last 
> option was to use a virtual machine + win98 image.

    David Smith said (in an earlier post that Win 7 with the Virtual Win XP 
download *would* allow 16-bit apps to run.

    So, I guess I'll order Win 7 Pro this morning.

-Mel Smith

>      David Smith said (in an earlier post that Win 7 with the Virtual Win XP
> download *would* allow 16-bit apps to run.

Now I have a new toy to try. I just installed Win 7 after fixing the 56k 
modem problem. :)

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> Now I have a new toy to try. I just installed Win 7 after fixing the 56k 
> modem problem. :)
>

To:  Man-wai Chang & David Smith:

    Well., I ordered Win 7 Pro this morning from amazon.com (approx $188 
with 2-days shipping)

    Now, I'm getting 'panicky' about this because:

    -    Outlook Express is *not* included in Win 7 *and* I do all of my 
newsgroup work thru OE and also my business mail !

    -    Apparently, I *must* transfer all my current files, etc, etc to 
another device (preferable an external hard drive), *then* re-install them 
from that drive back to the Windows 7 platform !!

    -    The Win 7 Upgrade Advisor said to keep the 'oriiginal installation 
disks' and use them to re-install (I don't have *any* disks anymore ! --  
even my Win XP Pro disks are up north)

   What a kick-in-the-crotch !!

    Am I misreading this ???

    Anybody want to buy a brand-new copy of Win 7 Pro upgrade ??   :((

-Mel Smith
(maybe its back to the DOSBOX solution ??)

Mel Smith wrote:
> "Man-wai Chang to The Door (24000bps)" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in 
> message news:hm3jn1$dh2$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> 
>> Now I have a new toy to try. I just installed Win 7 after fixing the 56k 
>> modem problem. :)
>>
> 
> To:  Man-wai Chang & David Smith:
> 
>     Well., I ordered Win 7 Pro this morning from amazon.com (approx $188 
> with 2-days shipping)
> 
>     Now, I'm getting 'panicky' about this because:
> 
>     -    Outlook Express is *not* included in Win 7 *and* I do all of my 
> newsgroup work thru OE and also my business mail !
> 
>     -    Apparently, I *must* transfer all my current files, etc, etc to 
> another device (preferable an external hard drive), *then* re-install them 
> from that drive back to the Windows 7 platform !!
> 
>     -    The Win 7 Upgrade Advisor said to keep the 'oriiginal installation 
> disks' and use them to re-install (I don't have *any* disks anymore ! --  
> even my Win XP Pro disks are up north)
> 
>    What a kick-in-the-crotch !!
> 
>     Am I misreading this ???
> 
>     Anybody want to buy a brand-new copy of Win 7 Pro upgrade ??   :((
> 
> -Mel Smith
> (maybe its back to the DOSBOX solution ??)
> 
> 
> 
Try Thunderbird. It is free and works pretty good. I don't know about 
transferring existing emails and contact to new mail reader.

http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

Dear Mel Smith:

On Feb 24, 1:12=A0pm, "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syn...@aol.com> wrote:
> "Man-wai Chang to The Door (24000bps)" <toylet.toy...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:hm3jn1$dh2$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > Now I have a new toy to try. I just installed Win 7 after fixing the 56=
k
> > modem problem. :)
>
> To: =A0Man-wai Chang & David Smith:
>
> =A0 =A0 Well., I ordered Win 7 Pro this morning from
> amazon.com (approx $188 with 2-days shipping)
>
> =A0 =A0 Now, I'm getting 'panicky' about this because:
>
> =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0Outlook Express is *not* included in Win 7
> *and* I do all of my newsgroup work thru OE and
> also my business mail !

Virtual Windows XP inlcudes OE.

If you are doing business work, I'd recommend either Thunderbird or
Outlook.  OE had too many bugs for "safety".

> =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0Apparently, I *must* transfer all my current
> files, etc, etc to another device (preferable an
> external hard drive), *then* re-install them
> from that drive back to the Windows 7 platform !!

Not if you get Win 7 *upgrade* form Costco / Sam's / Walmart for about
$140.

I'm not too far from you (email me), and I have a 1 Tb external or
various internal IDE drives (up to 200 Gb) laying around.  But your
caveat about source disks is correct.

> =A0 =A0 - =A0 =A0The Win 7 Upgrade Advisor said to keep the
> 'oriiginal installation disks' and use them to re-install
> (I don't have *any* disks anymore ! -- =A0 even my
> Win XP Pro disks are up north)
>
> =A0 =A0What a kick-in-the-crotch !!
>
> =A0 =A0 Am I misreading this ???

I'd recommend Fry's Electronics for an OEM copy of Win7 Pro, and buy a
new hard drive while you are there (with which you will qualify for
OEM).  Install clean to the new drive, leaving the old one
uninstalled.  When installed and updated, power down, install the old
drive, and see what tools Win7 gives you to migrate software /
settings from the old drive.

I am sorry this has been such a big bite out of your time.

David A. Smith

Dear GDFord:

On Feb 24, 2:06=A0pm, GDFord <gale.f...@wwrowland.com> wrote:
....
> Try Thunderbird. It is free and works pretty good.
> I don't know about transferring existing emails
> and contact to new mail reader.

It does transfer from OE and Eudora without issue.  It requires
Outlook to be installed to transfer from (any form of) Outlook.
Whatever sense that makes.

David A. Smith

Mel,

>    Well., I ordered Win 7 Pro this morning from amazon.com (approx $188 
> with 2-days shipping)
>
>    Now, I'm getting 'panicky' about this because:
>
>    -    Outlook Express is *not* included in Win 7 *and* I do all of my 
> newsgroup work thru OE and also my business mail !

Don't worry, Windows Live Mail is a free download and it is basically a 
modernized OL Express, and is fully compatible.

Ron 

Ron & David:

> Don't worry, Windows Live Mail is a free download and it is basically a 
> modernized OL Express, and is fully compatible.

Ron:
Thanks for your assurances

David:

    If OE is part of the Virtual XP download -- that's great  and thank you 
!

-Mel
(btw, I've been working hard on dosbox, and its looking better !)

Mel,

>> Don't worry, Windows Live Mail is a free download and it is basically a 
>> modernized OL Express, and is fully compatible.
>
> Thanks for your assurances

Small clarification, Outlook Express is basically discontinued and is 
superseded by Microsoft's "Windows Live Mail", which is available freely to 
everyone. Windows Live Mail, can import all your mail and newsgroup content 
from OL Express, and you can also perform that upgrade on Windows XP. and 
later move the already upgraded data file to the Windows 7 machine. No 
Virtual XP support will be needed.

Ron 

Ron said:

> Small clarification, Outlook Express is basically discontinued and is 
> superseded by Microsoft's "Windows Live Mail", which is available freely 
> to everyone. Windows Live Mail, can import all your mail and newsgroup 
> content from OL Express, and you can also perform that upgrade on Windows 
> XP. and later move the already upgraded data file to the Windows 7 
> machine. No Virtual XP support will be needed.


Ron:

    I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail yesterday, and as you 
noted, it imported all my contacts and mail and newsgroups.

    It looks quite similar but I sdtill like the old OE better --- seems 
simple and more colourful

    It also has a 'Sync' button which (I guess) keeps OE and WLM in 'synch.

    Currently, I have become a bit more immersed in DOSBOX, and it is 
helping me use FoxBase for my wide-ranging 'fingering' of many of my 
databases.  I tried to use xbscript for this but got bogged down in getting 
it to look/feel like Foxbase.

    btw, I'm expecting my Win 7 Pro Upgrade tomorrow by Fedex and and I 
believe I'll put it away until I go back up north.  I'm frightened of it : 
((

Thanks for your further comments.

-Mel 

> I'd recommend Fry's Electronics for an OEM copy of Win7 Pro, and buy a
> new hard drive while you are there (with which you will qualify for
> OEM).  Install clean to the new drive, leaving the old one
> uninstalled.  When installed and updated, power down, install the old
> drive, and see what tools Win7 gives you to migrate software /
> settings from the old drive.

I think the System Builder (OEM in Hong Kong) license requires a full 
*BOOTABLE PC*, not just a piece of pheripheral....

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>      -    Outlook Express is *not* included in Win 7 *and* I do all of my
> newsgroup work thru OE and also my business mail !

Mozilla Thunderbird could replace OE, plus a lot of add-ons. If you need 
calendars, there is Mozilla Sunbird. Both are freeware.

>      -    Apparently, I *must* transfer all my current files, etc, etc to
> another device (preferable an external hard drive), *then* re-install them
> from that drive back to the Windows 7 platform !!

It's a good thing to have a backup! Buy a new hard disk to run Win 7, 
then copy data from the old disk. Unplug the old disk and keep it as 
offline backup. You might want to lock it in a bank vault! :)

>      -    The Win 7 Upgrade Advisor said to keep the 'oriiginal installation
> disks' and use them to re-install (I don't have *any* disks anymore ! --
> even my Win XP Pro disks are up north)

Do a clean install using a new hard disk! :)


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Hi:

    Well, after a week of agony, I finally got my Win XP Pro NTVDM system 
working again with 16-bit apps !

    I checked *everything*, and followed all the leads you folks.  I went 
thru most all the guidance on the Microsoft support site, and copied (from 
my other Win Xp server machine) all the 44 suggested files that are the 
basis of NTVDM.

    But finally, a few minutes ago, I decided to also *copy* the file 
'command.com' itself from my server.

    That was the fix !

    MS said that if command.com didn't work, then copy all the *other* 44 
files and replace them.  It did *not* say to copy command.com itself !  But 
I did copy it and now:

    Everything works correctly now. Praise the Lord !!

and Thank You to everyone else.

-Mel Smith
 ps. I'll keep my new copy of Win 7 Pro Upgrade for a later time.

 

Mel Smith wrote:
> Hi:
> 
>     Well, after a week of agony, I finally got my Win XP Pro NTVDM system 
> working again with 16-bit apps !
> 
>     I checked *everything*, and followed all the leads you folks.  I went 
> thru most all the guidance on the Microsoft support site, and copied (from 
> my other Win Xp server machine) all the 44 suggested files that are the 
> basis of NTVDM.
> 
>     But finally, a few minutes ago, I decided to also *copy* the file 
> 'command.com' itself from my server.
> 
>     That was the fix !
> 
>     MS said that if command.com didn't work, then copy all the *other* 44 
> files and replace them.  It did *not* say to copy command.com itself !  But 
> I did copy it and now:
> 
>     Everything works correctly now. Praise the Lord !!
> 
> and Thank You to everyone else.
> 
> -Mel Smith
>  ps. I'll keep my new copy of Win 7 Pro Upgrade for a later time.
> 
Mel,
Glad you got it running. Please confirm that CPU and Win7 are 32 bits. It 
is my understanding that 64-bit CPU's from Intel or AMD no longer support 
Real Mode for 16-bit programs.

-- 
Joe Wright
"If you rob Peter to pay Paul you can depend on the support of Paul."

Hi Joe:

> Glad you got it running. Please confirm that CPU and Win7 are 32 bits. It 
> is my understanding that 64-bit CPU's from Intel or AMD no longer support

    I know my current dev machine is 32-bits. The Win7 Upgrade Ipurchased 
says:  "32- and 64-bit discs inside"

    So, I guess any 'new' machine I buy (let's say a new, powerful Laptop) 
should be 32-bit and *not* 64-bit ??

    Maybe David can comment ??

Thanks for your observation.

-Mel Smith

Dear Joe Wright:

On Feb 27, 4:12=A0pm, Joe Wright <joewwri...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mel Smith wrote:
>
> > =A0 =A0 Well, after a week of agony, I finally got my
> > Win XP Pro NTVDM system working again with
> > 16-bit apps !
....
> Glad you got it running. Please confirm that CPU
> and Win7 are 32 bits. It is my understanding that
> 64-bit CPU's from Intel or AMD no longer support
> Real Mode for 16-bit programs.

No, this is untrue.  These processors all support "real" mode.  They
have no problem supporting it when running a 32-bit OS.  And they have
no problem on multiple core processors.

It was a strategic decision NOT to incorporate support for "non-flat
memory space" (like more than 4 Gb of RAM on a 32-bit OS), and not to
support "real" mode.  The processors both can and do support either.
It simply leaves doors open at low levels, that the OS cannot
protect.  And since Windoze is number one, it is the biggest target...

David A. Smith

Dear Mel Smith:

On Feb 27, 7:25=A0pm, "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syn...@aol.com> wrote:
....
> =A0 =A0 I know my current dev machine is 32-bits. The Win7
> Upgrade Ipurchased says: =A0"32- and 64-bit discs inside"
>
> =A0 =A0 So, I guess any 'new' machine I buy (let's say a new,
> powerful Laptop) should be 32-bit and *not* 64-bit ??

Get a 64 bit machine, and Win7 Pro.  If you didn't open the package,
you should be able to get a refund on Win7 Home.  Personally, the only
laptop I'd buy is a netbook, and leave the expensive stuff for a
machine I build myself.  6 hours on batteries is a lot less annoying
than 2, and small screens are never as small as "iPhones".

Good work on getting running.  I'd helped, if you'd have let me...

David A. Smith

Davide said:


No, this is untrue.  These processors all support "real" mode.  They
have no problem supporting it when running a 32-bit OS.  And they have
no problem on multiple core processors.

It was a strategic decision NOT to incorporate support for "non-flat
memory space" (like more than 4 Gb of RAM on a 32-bit OS), and not to
support "real" mode.  The processors both can and do support either.
It simply leaves doors open at low levels, that the OS cannot
protect.  And since Windoze is number one, it is the biggest target...

David:

    I *did* purchase Window 7 Pro (not Home). So, I'll keep it until I get 
home to Canada next month.

    btw, the Win7 package box says on the outside that its an upgrade from 
*Vista*, but I never have had Vista -- only Win XP Pro on my recent 
machines. I winder about this.

    Thanks for your earlier offer of helping me get my files backed-up.  I 
want to do that in the privacy of my own northern home where I have stacks 
of original CDs, and plenty of time to do and resources to it wrong and 
right.

    btw,  I have 93 subdirs in my "Program Files" sub directory, so I 
adequate opportunity for ruining my whole system and *never* getting back up 
properly again :(

Your support is valuable to all of us on this ng. Thanks again.

-Mel Smith
(Just watched the Canadian hockey team this afternoon take the Gold Medal at 
the Olympics by beating the U.S. 3 - 2 !!)

>      btw, the Win7 package box says on the outside that its an upgrade from
> *Vista*, but I never have had Vista -- only Win XP Pro on my recent
> machines. I winder about this.

You bought the Upgrade version? Don't worry! You could still do a clean 
install with an Upgrade version (by Custom Install twice without 
entering the product key).

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Hi Mel,

From my experience with an Intel 32/64 bit dualcore processor, let me
add these info:

* it has a dual boot
  xp home (32bit) in one partition
  windows 7 pro (64bit) in another

  on the same machine, and both work (windows7 effectively in 64bit
mode)

* with windows 7 pro (64bit), additionally download and install XP
Mode (a preconfigured VirtualPC image containing XP Pro - for free)

http://groups.google.be/group/comp.lang.clipper/browse_thread/thread/ec1f3e=
ee5fa568cb?hl=3Dnl
(instructions by Geoff Schaller)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx (as David
pointed out)

From within XP mode, NTVDM is available, but the nice thing is that is
you create a shortcut (.pif file) inside XP Mode in the c:\Documents
and Settings\All Users\Menu Start\Programs folder (inside the XP Mode
c:\ (virtual) drive), then shut down VirtualPC, and back in Windows7
this shortcut is directly available which opens a window on the W7
desktop (just like any other normal W7 window), with your 16bit
Clipper app running besides 64bit apps

I have a .jpg showing this (can't post here on usenet)

The only limitation afaik is that the 16bit app cannot be graphic
based (forcing fullscreen mode, which was abandoned since Vista)

HTH

Best regards,

frank

ps: nice to be back online!

On 28 feb, 03:25, "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syn...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Joe:
>
> > Glad you got it running. Please confirm that CPU and Win7 are 32 bits. =
It
> > is my understanding that 64-bit CPU's from Intel or AMD no longer suppo=
rt
>
> =A0 =A0 I know my current dev machine is 32-bits. The Win7 Upgrade Ipurch=
ased
> says: =A0"32- and 64-bit discs inside"
>
> =A0 =A0 So, I guess any 'new' machine I buy (let's say a new, powerful La=
ptop)
> should be 32-bit and *not* 64-bit ??
>
> =A0 =A0 Maybe David can comment ??
>
> Thanks for your observation.
>
> -Mel Smith

Hi

I have an windows 7 64 and no 16bits apps can run on it

Regards
Luiz

On 27 fev, 20:12, Joe Wright <joewwri...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mel Smith wrote:
> > Hi:
>
> > =A0 =A0 Well, after a week of agony, I finally got my Win XP Pro NTVDM =
system
> > working again with 16-bit apps !
>
> > =A0 =A0 I checked *everything*, and followed all the leads you folks. =
=A0I went
> > thru most all the guidance on the Microsoft support site, and copied (f=
rom
> > my other Win Xp server machine) all the 44 suggested files that are the
> > basis of NTVDM.
>
> > =A0 =A0 But finally, a few minutes ago, I decided to also *copy* the fi=
le
> > 'command.com' itself from my server.
>
> > =A0 =A0 That was the fix !
>
> > =A0 =A0 MS said that if command.com didn't work, then copy all the *oth=
er* 44
> > files and replace them. =A0It did *not* say to copy command.com itself =
! =A0But
> > I did copy it and now:
>
> > =A0 =A0 Everything works correctly now. Praise the Lord !!
>
> > and Thank You to everyone else.
>
> > -Mel Smith
> > =A0ps. I'll keep my new copy of Win 7 Pro Upgrade for a later time.
>
> Mel,
> Glad you got it running. Please confirm that CPU and Win7 are 32 bits. It
> is my understanding that 64-bit CPU's from Intel or AMD no longer support
> Real Mode for 16-bit programs.
>
> --
> Joe Wright
> "If you rob Peter to pay Paul you can depend on the support of Paul."

Frank said:


From my experience with an Intel 32/64 bit dualcore processor, let me
add these info:

* it has a dual boot
  xp home (32bit) in one partition
  windows 7 pro (64bit) in another

  on the same machine, and both work (windows7 effectively in 64bit
mode)

* with windows 7 pro (64bit), additionally download and install XP
Mode (a preconfigured VirtualPC image containing XP Pro - for free)

http://groups.google.be/group/comp.lang.clipper/browse_thread/thread/ec1f3eee5fa568cb?hl=nl
(instructions by Geoff Schaller)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx (as David
pointed out)

From within XP mode, NTVDM is available, but the nice thing is that is
you create a shortcut (.pif file) inside XP Mode in the c:\Documents
and Settings\All Users\Menu Start\Programs folder (inside the XP Mode
c:\ (virtual) drive), then shut down VirtualPC, and back in Windows7
this shortcut is directly available which opens a window on the W7
desktop (just like any other normal W7 window), with your 16bit
Clipper app running besides 64bit apps

I have a .jpg showing this (can't post here on usenet)

The only limitation afaik is that the 16bit app cannot be graphic
based (forcing fullscreen mode, which was abandoned since Vista)

Frank:

    Thanks for your comments.   I'm going to upgrade an older LapTop (which 
currently has XP Pro (sp3) on it) to Win 7Pro when I get back to Canada. 
THat will serve as a learning tool for me.

    The Win 7 Pro upgrade I purchased is specified for Vista (which I've 
never owned).  So, this means that if I use it everything will be wiped out 
even my old Clipper stuff and 'zillions' of other old installations of 
programs. Puzzling and terrifying !

-Mel

Hey Mel,

> I have a .jpg showing this (can't post here on usenet)

You should take a look at http://www.Dropbox.com
With this you can simply copy a JPG to a local folder and you get a 
public link to it.

For example:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/390763/SpeedTest.PNG

And best of all. Its FREE ;-)

Patrick

Patrick said:
> Hey Mel,
>
>> I have a .jpg showing this (can't post here on usenet)
>

Patrick:

    Frank left this statement above (Not me).

    But thank you anyway !

-Mel


> You should take a look at http://www.Dropbox.com
> With this you can simply copy a JPG to a local folder and you get a public 
> link to it.
>
> For example:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/390763/SpeedTest.PNG
>
> And best of all. Its FREE ;-)
>
> Patrick
> 

Hey Mel,

>> Hey Mel,
>> 
>>> I have a .jpg showing this (can't post here on usenet)
>> 
> 
> Patrick:
> 
>     Frank left this statement above (Not me).
> 
>     But thank you anyway !

Oops, sorry ;-)

Anyways, dropbox is fantastic! ;-)

Patrick

Hi Patrick,

Thx much for this! Here's the jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5253195/%28o%29ceans/win7pro64bitRunningClipperInXPmode.jpg

By the way, i'll post a new preview to my (o)ceans' for ca-clipper
project here too, just leave me a couple of days
(it was before on http://www.4shared.com)

All the best,

Frank

On 8 mrt, 10:21, Patrick Mast <patrickm...@me.com> wrote:

> You should take a look athttp://www.Dropbox.com
> With this you can simply copy a JPG to a local folder and you get a
> public link to it.

> Patrick