All of a sudden, when I more recently wanted to shut down Eudora ( V5.2) for 
a while, I get the error message;

"Could not install Eudora MAPI system because MAPI.dll and/or MAPI32.dll 
could not be renamed."

Also, my Eudora has been recently very slow to boot. I just tried to improve 
boot speed by running compatibility tests. I  am running XP. Neither W95 or 
W98 compatibility make any difference.

When completing boot despite that error message, my Eudora 5.2 seems to run 
normally.

Ange 

On 3/17/2011 10:15 AM, Angelo Campanella wrote:

> All of a sudden,
> when I more recently wanted to shut down Eudora (V5.2) for a while,
> I get the error message: "Could not install Eudora MAPI system
> because MAPI.dll and/or MAPI32.dll could not be renamed."

Is Outlook also running, all of a sudden?

"MAPI DLL Error when Launching [or closing] Eudora"
http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1897hq.html

> Also, my Eudora has been recently very slow to [Load? Check for first email?].

Have you just installed/changed any anti-virus system?

Do you have 50,000 files in your "Embedded" subfolder?

Have you considered updating to Eudora 7.1.0.9 ?

> I  am running XP. Neither W95 or W98 compatibility make any difference.

"Compatibility mode" adjustment doesn't seem to be a good idea for Eudora,
which (especially later versions) is perfectly "at home" in Win2K thru Win7.

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"John H Meyers" <jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> wrote in message 
news:4D824D7D.60206@nomail.invalid...
> On 3/17/2011 10:15 AM, Angelo Campanella wrote:
>> All of a sudden,
>> when I more recently wanted to shut down Eudora (V5.2) for a while,
>> I get the error message: "Could not install Eudora MAPI system
>> because MAPI.dll and/or MAPI32.dll could not be renamed."
> Is Outlook also running, all of a sudden?

Yes it is...

> "MAPI DLL Error when Launching [or closing] Eudora"
> http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1897hq.html

I read that, and I really do not understand all of it.

> Have you just installed/changed any anti-virus system?

No... Norton AV an SuoerAntiSpyware are active and unchanged.

By the way, that error message disappeared after I shut down and restarted 
Eudora... might have shut down Outlook as well. Can't be sure. But Outlook 
is up again and there seems to be no conflict.

> Do you have 50,000 files in your "Embedded" subfolder?

Possibly, how do I inspect for that?

> Have you considered updating to Eudora 7.1.0.9 ?

I've thought about it, I might still have that installer on file. But I 
balked then when I read all the bad comments about it early-on. I was and 
still am satisfied with the utility of 5.2. Tell me more...

>> I  am running XP. Neither W95 or W98 compatibility make any difference.
>
> "Compatibility mode" adjustment doesn't seem to be a good idea for Eudora,
> which (especially later versions) is perfectly "at home" in Win2K thru 
> Win7.

That seems to be my observation as well.

    Thanks,

        Ange

On 3/21/2011 12:04 PM, Angelo Campanella wrote:

>>> I get the error message: "Could not install Eudora MAPI system
>>> because MAPI.dll and/or MAPI32.dll could not be renamed."

>> Is Outlook also running, all of a sudden?

> Yes it is...

Then those files are "in use" by Outlook,
and Eudora can not change them while that is the case.

If you want Outlook to be the sender of mail for programs
which create mail via MAPI, then tell Eudora not to be,
or if you want Eudora to be, then either have Eudora _always_ be,
or don't try to start/stop Eudora while Outlook (or Word, etc.) is running.

>> "MAPI DLL Error when Launching [or closing] Eudora"
>> http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1897hq.html

> I read that, and I really do not understand all of it.

Without knowing exactly what is not understood,
it's hard to follow up on that.

>> Have you considered updating to Eudora 7.1.0.9 ?

> I've thought about it, I might still have that installer on file.
> But I balked then when I read all the bad comments about it early-on.

I read "bad comments" about Windows early on,
so I'm sticking with MS-DOS for as long as I can hold out :)

> I was and still am satisfied with the utility of 5.2. Tell me more...

That's what "Release Notes" are for:

Changes between 5.0.2 and 6.0:
http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/windows/6.0.1/RelNotes.txt

Changes between 6.0 and 7.1.0.9:
http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/windows/7.1/RelNotes.txt

Latest version's features:
http://www.eudora.com/windows/

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"John H Meyers" <jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> wrote in message 
news:4D87C891.3@nomail.invalid...
> If you want Outlook to be the sender of mail for programs
> which create mail via MAPI, then tell Eudora not to be,
> or if you want Eudora to be, then either have Eudora _always_ be,
> or don't try to start/stop Eudora while Outlook (or Word, etc.) is 
> running.

    I only use Outlook to read the News Groups like this one.

    You are correct that for my fault, I had closed and opened Eudora while 
Outlook was up. Apparently, Outlook does not have the problem of sharing 
MAPI, but Eudora sure does. I'm OK now.

>>> "MAPI DLL Error when Launching [or closing] Eudora"
>>> http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1897hq.html
>> I read that, and I really do not understand all of it.
> Without knowing exactly what is not understood,
> it's hard to follow up on that.

    My main problem is that I can't identify the 50,000 limited file you 
reference.

> Changes between 5.0.2 and 6.0:
> http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/windows/6.0.1/RelNotes.txt
> Changes between 6.0 and 7.1.0.9:
> http://www.eudora.com/download/eudora/windows/7.1/RelNotes.txt

    OK, browsed them... I understand that there were improvements wrought by 
those programmers, but virtually none of them affect my use of 5.2. It would 
be nice to try 7.1, but the hitch I run into with mail readers is that it is 
more than just installing the software. One has to create a new "account" 
that will harmonize with my ISP server (att), which has always been a 
nightmare for me. Then there is the transferring of the messages from all 
old mailboxes to new clones of same. Quite often, tags of the old messages 
are lost, and the unique identification (sent, read, received, etc, are lost 
making them difficult to read and assign at a glance. So I'm not ready to 
try 7.1 until I have those protocols clear in my mind.

> Latest version's features:
> http://www.eudora.com/windows/

    OK... took a glance at it and the download specs... First thing that 
strikes me is that the setup file is 16 megabytes, vs the 5.2 file size of 6 
megabytes.... More space, bound to be slower, I think... it's just one of 
those things...

    I thought that Eudora was dead and that there is no more support and 
certainly no more updates... What's going on?

    I don't want to be a pest... 5.2 is working OK for me for now.   Maybe 
7.1 later


    Thanks,

       Ange
....

On 3/21/2011 8:51 PM, Angelo Campanella wrote:

> My main problem is that I can't identify the 50,000 limited file you re=
ference.

The "Embedded" folder isn't limited to any specific number of files,
but a large number of files has been reported to slow some operations.

> It would be nice to try 7.1, but the hitch I run into with mail readers=

> is that it is more than just installing the software.
> One has to create a new "account" that will harmonize with my ISP serve=
r (att),
> which has always been a nightmare for me. Then there is the transferrin=
g of the messages
> from all old mailboxes to new clones of same. Quite often, tags of the =
old messages are lost,
> and the unique identification (sent, read, received, etc, are lost
> making them difficult to read and assign at a glance.
> So I'm not ready to try 7.1 until I have those protocols clear in my mi=
nd.

There is nothing to do but install new programs over the old.

All existing user files are completely compatible,
and the sole result of updating the program files
is better (sometimes even faster) operating,
plus all the improvements, bug fixes, Etc.

In particular, no "account(s)" need be [re]created,
no mail needs to be transferred, no message status/tags/etc. are lost,
one just launches and continues exactly as before,
in a more powerful and safer vehicle, much like the
frequent security updating of existing web browsers,
which does not require making new bookmarks, etc.

You may of course make backups ("zip" works well)
of your former Eudora programs directory and "Data" directory,
to thus have an "insurance policy" against any misadventure.

>> Latest version's features:
>> http://www.eudora.com/windows/

> OK... took a glance at it and the download specs...
> First thing that strikes me is that the setup file is 16 megabytes,
> vs the 5.2 file size of 6 megabytes.... More space, bound to be slower,=

> I think... it's just one of those things...

It's more a matter of myth, superstition, and fear of the unknown :)

Program sizes, largest components of Version 5.2.1 vs. 7.1.0.9:

Eudora.exe		2481K	2596K
Eudora32/EudoraRes.dll	1185K	2408K
QCSSL.dll		 405K	 496K

Version 7.1.0.9 installs some additional files that are _never used_,
which has expanded the installation, like pumping air into ice cream,
or into "soap that floats" in the bathtub,
but basically, the program itself has grown only modestly,
and, according to sources that I rely on, has become not only
faster (e.g. at searching), but also much more resistant
to mailbox corruption (and it also makes automatic backups
of the most active In/Out mailboxes) -- but you'd never trade in
an old car, I suppose, because of the little extra weight added
for those airbags, automatic braking, and the higher
battery drain of brighter lights, GPS, smarter computer,
catalytic converter for cleaner air, etc.?

> I thought that Eudora was dead and that there is no more support
> and certainly no more updates... What's going on?

What do you mean by "support"?
How much did Qualcomm help you with Eudora?

Do you know that Qualcomm is still operating its Eudora user forums,
which have been in operation since 2004? http://eudorabb.qualcomm.com
and of course its original web site, with all program versions, manuals,
"knowledge base," tutorials, etc. http://www.eudora.com/archive.html

Are you here, in a newsgroup, receiving support right now?
There is also support via mailing lists: http://www.listmoms.net/

Whatever else you may mean, how can you figure that version 5.2
somehow contains more "support" than version 7.1?

And what exactly does "dead" mean?
People who install Eudora completely incorrectly on Windows 7
can be found announcing that "Eudora died" on it,
whereas those who don't "shoot themselves in the foot"
by defying the rules of Windows 7 security practices
are enjoying fully "live" Eudora, as always.

Qualcomm has meanwhile set a handful of its top Eudora developers
(including its original author) to work on making Mozilla Thunderbird
a more acceptable alternative to users of "classic" Eudora,
producing a version of Thunderbird called "Eudora OSE" as their result.

Now, Thunderbird's files are indeed completely different and incompatible=
,
requiring an "import" to a new TB/OSE "profile," including an entirely ne=
w way
of setting up accounts, etc. -- for that "upgrade," you can justifiably
purchase a set of "worry beads" to help stave it off :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombol=F3i
http://www.greekinternetmarket.com/worrybeads.php "How to use" :)

--=20

On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:51:50 -0400, "Angelo Campanella"
<a.campanella@att.net> wrote:

>It would be nice to try 7.1, but the hitch I run into with mail readers is
>that it is more than just installing the software. One has to create a
>new "account" that will harmonize with my ISP server (att), which has
>always been a nightmare for me. Then there is the transferring of the
>messages from all old mailboxes to new clones of same. Quite often,
>tags of the old messages are lost, and the unique identification (sent,
>read, received, etc, are lost making them difficult to read and assign
>at a glance. So I'm not ready to try 7.1 until I have those protocols
>clear in my mind.


I've never had a problem just installing a classic Eudora update over
the top of an existing version.  I always did a backup just in case,
but I've never had a problem and just wound up erasing the backup.


>> Latest version's features:
>> http://www.eudora.com/windows/
>
>    OK... took a glance at it and the download specs... First thing that 
>strikes me is that the setup file is 16 megabytes, vs the 5.2 file size of 6 
>megabytes.... More space, bound to be slower, I think... it's just one of 
>those things...


You'd think it would be slower, but it isn't in my experience... as
long as you disable the option to "check spelling automatically as you
type."  That can cause annoying delays during message composition.


>    I thought that Eudora was dead and that there is no more support and 
>certainly no more updates... What's going on?


The original Eudora is dead as far as future development goes.  What's
going on with the most fanfare is a reskinning of Thunderbird to make
it look like Eudora.  I call it "Thundora."  Thunderbird simply
doesn't have the existing capability to allow a simple reskinning to
make it work like Eudora.  If a future OS version won't run classic
Eudora, "Thundora" isn't my choice of a replacement.  Not sure what
is, but definitely not anything based on Thunderbird.

There is also an entirely separate effort by
http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/ to rewrite Eudora from scratch.
Haven't heard any talk about that in this forum for a couple of years
but their web site has this to say...
http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/blog/files/category-mailforge.html

Top posting to this blog makes following progress difficult, but it's
worth wading thru once because... some day we're going to get a new OS
that won't run classic Eudora and then you'll want options.

I notice the early pressure to preregister for $19.99 vs the planned
release price of $39.99 has given way to a full release price of
$19.99 since early 2010... probably due to understandably low demand
for the product.  (More on that below.)

And the Product Roadmap...
http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/products/mailforge/roadmap.html

These guys have really bitten off a big challenge.  The first is to
duplicate Eudora - a large challenge in itself.  The second is to make
their new product BETTER so Eudora users will switch to it.  That's a
heck of a bold challenge given the general market for email clients,
but that's what it will take to really drive sales.  Until then why
even pay $19.95 for something that's inferior to what we have already.
OK, there's the concept of supporting these guys so they'll be there
when we need them.  But I did that for several low value Eudora
upgrades and what did it get me?  ;-)

I haven't been tempted to try Mailforge yet, but these guys do look
like they have something very real and with high potential going on.

There's a tendency for each new release to be followed by way to many
bug fixes - several minor releasses worth of them - for me to climb on
board.  Their QC isn't even remotely up to Qualcomm standards.

I don't plan to lose the link to their site though.


>I don't want to be a pest... 5.2 is working OK for me for now.   Maybe 
>7.1 later


I'd go for 7.1.0.9 (the absolute latest) now.  Just turn off the
"spell checking automatically as you type" option and performance will
be the same as 5.2.  There's just no downside I can see.  Stupid stuff
like BossWatch and Moodwatch can be ignored or turned off.  They help
make for the larger program size you mentioned, but they don't impact
performance.

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On 3/22/2011 2:49 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:

> And the Product Roadmap...
> http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/products/mailforge/roadmap.html
> 
> These guys have really bitten off a big challenge.

How many guys do you suppose there are?

Is there a "credits" section, as in Eudora or Thunderbird?

Mr. Milano's other project is called "SimpleBooks":

Re: Time tracking
by Matt Milano   Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:24 pm
"Time tracking is one of the main areas we'll be improving
in SimpleBooks in a future release. Right now, virtually all
of our resources are going towards getting MailForge 1.0 out the door.
However, we have a pretty comprehensive list of things that we want
to address and improve on in the SimpleBooks like.
As soon as MailForge 1.0 is out,
SimpleBooks will be in for a major overhaul."
http://www.infinitydatasystems.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=460#p4162

Here's version 1.0.1 (May 2008), for Mac:
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/25214/simplebooks/

Here's the latest version to date (still V. 1.0.1, Total Downloads: 912)
http://download.cnet.com/SimpleBooks-Lite/3000-2066_4-10700910.html

Well, that must be due to all resources going into MailForge,
for three more years.

> I'd go for Eudora 7.1.0.9 (the absolute latest) now.  Just turn off
> the "spell checking automatically as you type" option

I have never had any problem checking my spelling as I type;
in fact, it there were any slowness, I would consider the spell checking
to be useless, but it's actually fine here.  Apparently a "YMMV" thing,
not sufficiently analyzed to find the actual cause.

The spelling checker is from Wintertree Software,
and it's possible that it has never been updated
since its first appearance in Eudora.

> Stupid stuff like BossWatch and Moodwatch can be ignored or turned off.
> They help make for the larger program size you mentioned,
> but they don't impact performance.

Larger _installer_ size does not translate into anything at run time;
as I mentioned, files (including Help and Quick Start guides)
find their way into that package
which have nothing to do with running the program,
and other aspects of run-time behavior are far more important.

There is no actual relationship between program (or installer) size and speed,
and often a larger program (or larger anything) can outrun a smaller one,
so the entire idea of walking away because of the larger installer
falls into the field of psychological science, rather than computer science.

-- 

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:26:10 -0500, John H Meyers
<jhmeyers@nomail.invalid> wrote:

>There is no actual relationship between program (or installer) size and speed,
>and often a larger program (or larger anything) can outrun a smaller one,
>so the entire idea of walking away because of the larger installer
>falls into the field of psychological science, rather than computer science.


Yes.  The latest Eudora.exe is 2.7 MB.  Some DLLs get loaded along
with it or as needed.  Even if the total bytes loaded were 20 MB, the
only systems that would make any difference on would be systems so
short on memory that they can't even provide snappy support for their
own OS.
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