<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple-iphone-war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>

"Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined 
Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."

"In a blog post (Techmeme), Bray, also a former Sun Microsystems employee, 
said he joined Google for Android and likes the rapid development and fact 
the mobile operating system is open source. He'll also enjoy duking it out 
with Apple. The money passage from Bray:"

"The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy, sex, 
and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say 
what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed 
lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure and 
fear his anger."

"I hate it."

"I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great, because 
freedom's not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional 
ingredient."

"The big thing about the Web isn't the technology, it's that it's the 
first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this out 
goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters, and 
it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. It's the only kind of 
platform I want to help build."

"Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet while at 
the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of the 
stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other."

"I think they're wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it." 

In article <ihq57q$37v$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple-iphone-
> war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>
> 
> "Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined 
> Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."
> 
> "In a blog post (Techmeme), Bray, also a former Sun Microsystems employee, 
> said he joined Google for Android and likes the rapid development and fact 
> the mobile operating system is open source. He'll also enjoy duking it out 
> with Apple. The money passage from Bray:"
> 
> "The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy, sex, 
> and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say 
> what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed 
> lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure and 
> fear his anger."
> 
> "I hate it."
> 
> "I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great, because 
> freedom's not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional 
> ingredient."
> 
> "The big thing about the Web isn't the technology, it's that it's the 
> first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this out 
> goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters, and 
> it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. It's the only kind of 
> platform I want to help build."
> 
> "Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet while at 
> the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of the 
> stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other."
> 
> "I think they're wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it." 

LOL!  Freedom huh?

As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to 
happen.

-- 
Lloyd

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
news:lloydparsons-A18BA2.16204726012011@port80.individual.net...
> In article <ihq57q$37v$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple-iphone-
>> war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>
>>
>> "Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined
>> Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."
>>
>> "In a blog post (Techmeme), Bray, also a former Sun Microsystems 
>> employee,
>> said he joined Google for Android and likes the rapid development and 
>> fact
>> the mobile operating system is open source. He'll also enjoy duking it 
>> out
>> with Apple. The money passage from Bray:"
>>
>> "The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy, 
>> sex,
>> and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can 
>> say
>> what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by 
>> sharp-toothed
>> lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure 
>> and
>> fear his anger."
>>
>> "I hate it."
>>
>> "I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great, 
>> because
>> freedom's not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional
>> ingredient."
>>
>> "The big thing about the Web isn't the technology, it's that it's the
>> first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this out
>> goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters, 
>> and
>> it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. It's the only kind of
>> platform I want to help build."
>>
>> "Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet while 
>> at
>> the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of the
>> stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other."
>>
>> "I think they're wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it."
>
> LOL!  Freedom huh?
>
> As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
> happen.
>
> -- 
> Lloyd

Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion?   Maybe he'll 
change his mind and become an iOS developer?

LOLLERCOASTER 

On Jan 26, 5:46=A0pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> news:lloydparsons-A18BA2.16204726012011@port80.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <ihq57q$37...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> >> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple=
....
> >> war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>
>
> >> "Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined
> >> Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."
>
> >> "In a blog post (Techmeme), Bray, also a former Sun Microsystems
> >> employee,
> >> said he joined Google for Android and likes the rapid development and
> >> fact
> >> the mobile operating system is open source. He'll also enjoy duking it
> >> out
> >> with Apple. The money passage from Bray:"
>
> >> "The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy,
> >> sex,
> >> and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who c=
an
> >> say
> >> what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by
> >> sharp-toothed
> >> lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasu=
re
> >> and
> >> fear his anger."
>
> >> "I hate it."
>
> >> "I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great,
> >> because
> >> freedom's not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional
> >> ingredient."
>
> >> "The big thing about the Web isn't the technology, it's that it's the
> >> first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this o=
ut
> >> goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters,
> >> and
> >> it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. It's the only kind o=
f
> >> platform I want to help build."
>
> >> "Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet whi=
le
> >> at
> >> the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of t=
he
> >> stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other."
>
> >> "I think they're wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it."
>
> > LOL! =A0Freedom huh?
>
> > As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
> > happen.
>
> > --
> > Lloyd
>
> Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion? =A0 Maybe he=
'll
> change his mind and become an iOS developer?
>
> LOLLERCOASTER

He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes know
more than him or any industry expert.

On 1/26/2011 5:20 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> LOL!  Freedom huh?
>
> As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
> happen.

So, essentially, you're saying 'in for a penny, in for a pound', eh? :)



-- 
-MFB

On 1/26/2011 5:46 PM, Clavicus Vile wrote:

> Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion?   Maybe he'll
> change his mind and become an iOS developer?
>
> LOLLERCOASTER

Is it just me, or does the lock-down carrier/closed garden paradigm 
have a suspiciously familiar 'ring' to it - kind of like Glen Beck has 
been constantly talking about elitist powermongering progressives that 
keep treating the rest of society as cattle to be herded or 'nudged'? 
  one example: Cloud computing(or Google's vision of it)- "we want to 
store the whole world's data, but trust us cuz our motto is 'do no evil'."

Sounds suspiciously familiar to: "Hello, I'm from the government, and 
I'm here to help you."  Just like they 'helped us' with DMCA...

Sometimes I feel iPhones & iPads should be classed as 'iHerd' devices...

-- 
-MFB

In article <ihqdl1$4bl$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Flint <agent1@section31.org> wrote:

> On 1/26/2011 5:20 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> 
> > LOL!  Freedom huh?
> >
> > As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
> > happen.
> 
> So, essentially, you're saying 'in for a penny, in for a pound', eh? :)

Well, I'm saying that beyond the desktop and server market, the 'open' 
stuff isn't all that 'open'.

-- 
Lloyd

In article <ihq88n$7pp$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
> news:lloydparsons-A18BA2.16204726012011@port80.individual.net...
> > In article <ihq57q$37v$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple-ipho
> >> ne-
> >> war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>
> >>
> >> "Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined
> >> Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."
> >>
> >> "In a blog post (Techmeme), Bray, also a former Sun Microsystems 
> >> employee,
> >> said he joined Google for Android and likes the rapid development and 
> >> fact
> >> the mobile operating system is open source. He'll also enjoy duking it 
> >> out
> >> with Apple. The money passage from Bray:"
> >>
> >> "The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy, 
> >> sex,
> >> and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can 
> >> say
> >> what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by 
> >> sharp-toothed
> >> lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure 
> >> and
> >> fear his anger."
> >>
> >> "I hate it."
> >>
> >> "I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great, 
> >> because
> >> freedom's not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional
> >> ingredient."
> >>
> >> "The big thing about the Web isn't the technology, it's that it's the
> >> first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this out
> >> goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters, 
> >> and
> >> it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. It's the only kind of
> >> platform I want to help build."
> >>
> >> "Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet while 
> >> at
> >> the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of the
> >> stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other."
> >>
> >> "I think they're wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it."
> >
> > LOL!  Freedom huh?
> >
> > As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
> > happen.
> >
> > -- 
> > Lloyd
> 
> Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion?   Maybe he'll 
> change his mind and become an iOS developer?
> 
> LOLLERCOASTER 

Why bother, he's got a dog in the hunt at Google.  As long as they can 
convince enough that it is 'open', they'll make a ton 'o bucks.

-- 
Lloyd

In article 
<fd5df29f-a8a7-41fb-acd1-0526c44b53c4@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
 MuahMan <muahman@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 26, 5:46�pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> wrote:
> > "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:lloydparsons-A18BA2.16204726012011@port80.individual.net...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <ihq57q$37...@news.albasani.net>,
> > > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> > >> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple...
> > >> war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>
> >
> > >> "Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined
> > >> Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."
> >
> > >> "In a blog post (Techmeme), Bray, also a former Sun Microsystems
> > >> employee,
> > >> said he joined Google for Android and likes the rapid development and
> > >> fact
> > >> the mobile operating system is open source. He'll also enjoy duking it
> > >> out
> > >> with Apple. The money passage from Bray:"
> >
> > >> "The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy,
> > >> sex,
> > >> and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can
> > >> say
> > >> what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by
> > >> sharp-toothed
> > >> lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's pleasure
> > >> and
> > >> fear his anger."
> >
> > >> "I hate it."
> >
> > >> "I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great,
> > >> because
> > >> freedom's not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional
> > >> ingredient."
> >
> > >> "The big thing about the Web isn't the technology, it's that it's the
> > >> first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this out
> > >> goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters,
> > >> and
> > >> it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. It's the only kind of
> > >> platform I want to help build."
> >
> > >> "Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet while
> > >> at
> > >> the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of the
> > >> stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other."
> >
> > >> "I think they're wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it."
> >
> > > LOL! �Freedom huh?
> >
> > > As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
> > > happen.
> >
> > > --
> > > Lloyd
> >
> > Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion? � Maybe he'll
> > change his mind and become an iOS developer?
> >
> > LOLLERCOASTER
> 
> He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes know
> more than him or any industry expert.

Doesn't have shit to do with programming, has to do with business.

-- 
Lloyd

In article <ihqedo$g76$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Flint <agent1@section31.org> wrote:

> On 1/26/2011 5:46 PM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
> 
> > Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion?   Maybe he'll
> > change his mind and become an iOS developer?
> >
> > LOLLERCOASTER
> 
> Is it just me, or does the lock-down carrier/closed garden paradigm 
> have a suspiciously familiar 'ring' to it - kind of like Glen Beck has 
> been constantly talking about elitist powermongering progressives that 
> keep treating the rest of society as cattle to be herded or 'nudged'? 
>   one example: Cloud computing(or Google's vision of it)- "we want to 
> store the whole world's data, but trust us cuz our motto is 'do no evil'."
> 
> Sounds suspiciously familiar to: "Hello, I'm from the government, and 
> I'm here to help you."  Just like they 'helped us' with DMCA...
> 
> Sometimes I feel iPhones & iPads should be classed as 'iHerd' devices...

Possibly, but then the Android devices don't seem a hell of a lot better 
in that respect, so what're ya gonna call them?  :)

-- 
Lloyd

On 1/26/2011 7:38 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> In article<ihqedo$g76$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>   Flint<agent1@section31.org>  wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/2011 5:46 PM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion?   Maybe he'll
>>> change his mind and become an iOS developer?
>>>
>>> LOLLERCOASTER
>>
>> Is it just me, or does the lock-down carrier/closed garden paradigm
>> have a suspiciously familiar 'ring' to it - kind of like Glen Beck has
>> been constantly talking about elitist powermongering progressives that
>> keep treating the rest of society as cattle to be herded or 'nudged'?
>>    one example: Cloud computing(or Google's vision of it)- "we want to
>> store the whole world's data, but trust us cuz our motto is 'do no evil'."
>>
>> Sounds suspiciously familiar to: "Hello, I'm from the government, and
>> I'm here to help you."  Just like they 'helped us' with DMCA...
>>
>> Sometimes I feel iPhones&  iPads should be classed as 'iHerd' devices...
>
> Possibly, but then the Android devices don't seem a hell of a lot better
> in that respect, so what're ya gonna call them?  :)

Like I've said before, Stargate SG-1 is a perfect metaphor:

Android devices are a bunch of also-ran 'replicators', while
Apple/Jobs are the equivelent of Stargate SG-1's 'Auri', CSMA fanbois 
being the Auri's 'Pryors', and iOS being 'Origen'. :)




-- 
-MFB

On 1/26/2011 7:38 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

>> Sometimes I feel iPhones&  iPads should be classed as 'iHerd' devices...
>
> Possibly, but then the Android devices don't seem a hell of a lot better
> in that respect, so what're ya gonna call them?  :)

Oh, and Microsoft still remains to be G'uald, or in case one prefers a 
Star Trek metaphor, the 'Borg'.

Of course, Google folks are actually "V"_istors or "Cylons" - take 
your pick.





-- 
-MFB

In article <ihq57q$37v$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple-iphone-
> war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>
> 
> "Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined 
> Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."

Google employee toes Google party line. Film at eleven.

"Since March of 2010, I�ve been an employee of Google"

<http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/misc/Tim>

More words by Tim Bray:

"I�m increasingly coming to think that people buy phones based on the 
quality and volume of old-fashioned advertising put behind the products. 
Not coincidentally, not only are the iPhones and iPad excellent 
devices...

....

....I think Apple will sell a ton of devices because they�re good, and 
superbly marketed."

<http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/12/28/Mobile-Market>

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

In article <ihq57q$37v$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great

Bummer when your principles get in the way of using great hardware and 
software... :/


-- 
Sandman[.net]

On 27/01/2011 07:01, Sandman wrote:

> In article<ihq57q$37v$1@news.albasani.net>,
>   "Clavicus Vile"<clavicus.vile@oblivion.org>  wrote:

>> I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great

> Bummer when your principles get in the way of using great hardware and
> software... :/

My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the 
Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.

In article <ihrq22$e4m$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

> >> I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great
> 
> > Bummer when your principles get in the way of using great hardware and
> > software... :/
> 
> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the 
> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.

Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
hardware and software.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

On 27/01/2011 00:33, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> In article
> <fd5df29f-a8a7-41fb-acd1-0526c44b53c4@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>   MuahMan<muahman@gmail.com>  wrote:

>> He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes know
>> more than him or any industry expert.

> Doesn't have shit to do with programming, has to do with business.

XML is used a lot by programmers.  It's actually very useful.

On 27/01/2011 12:57, Sandman wrote:

> In article<ihrq22$e4m$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
>   White Spirit<wspirit@homechoice.co.uk>  wrote:

>>>> I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great

>>> Bummer when your principles get in the way of using great hardware and
>>> software... :/

>> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the
>> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.

> Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
> hardware and software.

My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the 
Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.

In article <ihrq3q$e4m$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
 White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

> >> He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes know
> >> more than him or any industry expert.
> 
> > Doesn't have shit to do with programming, has to do with business.
> 
> XML is used a lot by programmers.  It's actually very useful.

Chairs are also used a lot by programmers. They're actually very 
useful.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

Sandman wrote:

> White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the 
>> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>
>Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
>hardware and software.

Says the Apple fanboi.

In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Sandman wrote:
> 
> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the 
> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
> >
> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
> >hardware and software.
> 
> Says the Apple fanboi.

Tell him I said hello.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

Sandman wrote:

>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sandman wrote:
>> 
>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the 
>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>> >
>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
>> >hardware and software.
>> 
>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>
>Tell him I said hello.

OK.  You said hello to you.

Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.

chrisv stated in post oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com on 1/27/11
7:50 AM:

> Sandman wrote:
> 
>> In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sandman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the
>>>>> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>>>> 
>>>> Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
>>>> hardware and software.
>>> 
>>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>> 
>> Tell him I said hello.
> 
> OK.  You said hello to you.
> 
> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> 

Your "counter" to claims is that someone buys products... you have nothing
even remotely related to the topic to use to back your views.

Interesting.


-- 
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"Flint" <agent1@section31.org> wrote in message 
news:ihqoh7$pu6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/26/2011 7:38 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>>> Sometimes I feel iPhones&  iPads should be classed as 'iHerd' devices...
>>
>> Possibly, but then the Android devices don't seem a hell of a lot better
>> in that respect, so what're ya gonna call them?  :)
>
> Oh, and Microsoft still remains to be G'uald, or in case one prefers a 
> Star Trek metaphor, the 'Borg'.
>
> Of course, Google folks are actually "V"_istors or "Cylons" - take your 
> pick.
>
By your command, Imperious Leader.
>
>
>
> -- 
> -MFB 

"White Spirit" <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:ihrq3q$e4m$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 27/01/2011 00:33, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <fd5df29f-a8a7-41fb-acd1-0526c44b53c4@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>>   MuahMan<muahman@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>> He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes know
>>> more than him or any industry expert.
>
>> Doesn't have shit to do with programming, has to do with business.
>
> XML is used a lot by programmers.  It's actually very useful.

Lloyd doesn't bother to think before he replies.   Don't mind him, it's just 
his senility talking.

Freedom in programming and freedom in choice of programs has nothing to do 
with programming?    LOLLERCOASTER

Typical iPad owner... even stupider than the typical Mac owner... 

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-83CACA.14174327012011@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <ihrq3q$e4m$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
> White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >> He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes know
>> >> more than him or any industry expert.
>>
>> > Doesn't have shit to do with programming, has to do with business.
>>
>> XML is used a lot by programmers.  It's actually very useful.
>
> Chairs are also used a lot by programmers. They're actually very
> useful.

Sitting on a chair puts Sandman under extreme mental pressure.

>
> -- 
> Sandman[.net] 

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
> Sandman wrote:
>
>>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Sandman wrote:
>>>
>>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and 
>>> >> the
>>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>>> >
>>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
>>> >hardware and software.
>>>
>>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>>
>>Tell him I said hello.
>
> OK.  You said hello to you.
>
> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.

Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.   Even ZnU says 
Sandman is "nutty."

LOLLERCOASTER 

In article <ihs6un$srj$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "White Spirit" <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:ihrq3q$e4m$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> > On 27/01/2011 00:33, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <fd5df29f-a8a7-41fb-acd1-0526c44b53c4@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> >>   MuahMan<muahman@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >>> He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes know
> >>> more than him or any industry expert.
> >
> >> Doesn't have shit to do with programming, has to do with business.
> >
> > XML is used a lot by programmers.  It's actually very useful.
> 
> Lloyd doesn't bother to think before he replies.   Don't mind him, it's just 
> his senility talking.
> 
> Freedom in programming and freedom in choice of programs has nothing to do 
> with programming?    LOLLERCOASTER
> 
> Typical iPad owner... even stupider than the typical Mac owner... 

Typical troll stupidity.

His expertise in XML doesn't give him credibility in business.

And if you believe that Google is your friend, you are really dumber 
than I thought.

-- 
Lloyd

On 27/01/2011 16:43, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> And if you believe that Google is your friend, you are really dumber
> than I thought.

I might not go down the pub and enjoy a few drinks with Google at the 
weekend but they do provide a mobile OS and lots of software that I find 
useful.  Apple, on the other hand, has yet to provide anything of use to me.

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
news:lloydparsons-2FCDED.18322126012011@port80.individual.net...
> In article <ihq88n$7pp$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:lloydparsons-A18BA2.16204726012011@port80.individual.net...
>> > In article <ihq57q$37v$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/a-very-personal-google-android-vs-apple-ipho
>> >> ne-
>> >> war-just-got-some-more-personality/31886>
>> >>
>> >> "Tim Bray, who co-invented XML and is a well-known blogger, has joined
>> >> Google's Android team and wasted no time taking on Apple's iPhone."
>> >>
>> >> "In a blog post (Techmeme), Bray, also a former Sun Microsystems
>> >> employee,
>> >> said he joined Google for Android and likes the rapid development and
>> >> fact
>> >> the mobile operating system is open source. He'll also enjoy duking it
>> >> out
>> >> with Apple. The money passage from Bray:"
>> >>
>> >> "The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet's future omits controversy,
>> >> sex,
>> >> and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who 
>> >> can
>> >> say
>> >> what. It's a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by
>> >> sharp-toothed
>> >> lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord's 
>> >> pleasure
>> >> and
>> >> fear his anger."
>> >>
>> >> "I hate it."
>> >>
>> >> "I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great,
>> >> because
>> >> freedom's not just another word for anything, nor is it an optional
>> >> ingredient."
>> >>
>> >> "The big thing about the Web isn't the technology, it's that it's the
>> >> first-ever platform without a vendor (credit for first pointing this 
>> >> out
>> >> goes to Dave Winer). From that follows almost everything that matters,
>> >> and
>> >> it matters a lot now, to a huge number of people. It's the only kind 
>> >> of
>> >> platform I want to help build."
>> >>
>> >> "Apple apparently thinks you can have the benefits of the Internet 
>> >> while
>> >> at
>> >> the same time controlling what programs can be run and what parts of 
>> >> the
>> >> stack can be accessed and what developers can say to each other."
>> >>
>> >> "I think they're wrong and see this job as a chance to help prove it."
>> >
>> > LOL!  Freedom huh?
>> >
>> > As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
>> > happen.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Lloyd
>>
>> Why don't you email Tim Bray and inform him of your opinion?   Maybe 
>> he'll
>> change his mind and become an iOS developer?
>>
>> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> Why bother,

Why did you bother to post your shit here?   Share the wealth.   Give him a 
laugh too.

> he's got a dog in the hunt at Google.

Apple has got a "dog in the hunt too."   So why don't you disregard 
everything they say?   You don't even have an iPhone!   LOL

> As long as they can convince enough that it is 'open', they'll make a ton 
> 'o bucks.

Who's "they?"

Tim Bray joined Android because he feels it's open.   He didn't start there 
and decide to convince people to go along with him.

Do you bother to think for more than five seconds before you reply, or is 
that an overly generous estimate on my part?    LOLLERCOASTER

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
news:lloydparsons-1D4402.18312926012011@port80.individual.net...
> In article <ihqdl1$4bl$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Flint <agent1@section31.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/2011 5:20 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>
>> > LOL!  Freedom huh?
>> >
>> > As long as the cell providers are involved in it, that is not going to
>> > happen.
>>
>> So, essentially, you're saying 'in for a penny, in for a pound', eh? :)
>
> Well, I'm saying that beyond the desktop and server market, the 'open'
> stuff isn't all that 'open'.

Lloyd was just making sure he wouldn't be mistaken for an intelligent 
person.

> -- 
> Lloyd
>
> 

On 2011-01-27, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <ihrq22$e4m$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
>  White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> >> I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great
>> 
>> > Bummer when your principles get in the way of using great hardware and
>> > software... :/
>> 
>> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the 
>> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>
> Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
> hardware and software.

    That would be sad if it were actually true.

    However, it is not.

    Any advantage (real or advantage) that the iPhone has at this point
is very much transitory. Some parts of the iPhone are really quite crappy.
For one, I wish I could run an alternate for the built in SMS app. It's not 
really very accomodating for people that use their phone for work.

-- 
     Apple: Because a large harddrive is for power users.
                                                                  |||
	                                                         / | \

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message 
news:C966E80F.8BF78%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com...
> chrisv stated in post oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com on 
> 1/27/11
> 7:50 AM:
>
>> Sandman wrote:
>>
>>> In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sandman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
>>>>> hardware and software.
>>>>
>>>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>>>
>>> Tell him I said hello.
>>
>> OK.  You said hello to you.
>>
>> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>>
>
> Your "counter" to claims is that someone buys products... you have nothing
> even remotely related to the topic to use to back your views.
>
> Interesting.

He can't deny it!   HOOT!   Dozen in the last six years?    He probably buys 
a dozen in one year.   LOLLERCOASTER 

"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message 
news:slrnik39fm.3lg.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2011-01-27, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>> In article <ihrq22$e4m$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>  White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> >> I hate it even though the iPhone hardware and software are great
>>>
>>> > Bummer when your principles get in the way of using great hardware and
>>> > software... :/
>>>
>>> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and the
>>> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>>
>> Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
>> hardware and software.
>
>    That would be sad if it were actually true.
>
>    However, it is not.
>
>    Any advantage (real or advantage) that the iPhone has at this point
> is very much transitory. Some parts of the iPhone are really quite crappy.
> For one, I wish I could run an alternate for the built in SMS app. It's 
> not
> really very accomodating for people that use their phone for work.

Are you sure about that last part?   Plenty of Apple fans who don't own an 
iPhone tell us businesses are flocking to the iPhone.    LOL 

On 27/01/2011 17:05, JEDIDIAH wrote:

>      Any advantage (real or advantage) that the iPhone has at this point
> is very much transitory.

The same goes for the iFad.  The cheapest, crappiest netbook laden with 
crippleware like Windows Starter Edition can at least multitask and view 
pages with Flash content, whereas the iFad has to have an application 
for every site that has Flash and multitasks like a 8086 running Windows 
1.0.

Clavicus Vile stated in post ihs950$j4$1@news.albasani.net on 1/27/11 10:14
AM:

> 
> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> news:C966E80F.8BF78%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> chrisv stated in post oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com on
>> 1/27/11
>> 7:50 AM:
>> 
>>> Sandman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sandman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
>>>>>> hardware and software.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>>>> 
>>>> Tell him I said hello.
>>> 
>>> OK.  You said hello to you.
>>> 
>>> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>>> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>>> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>>> 
>> 
>> Your "counter" to claims is that someone buys products... you have nothing
>> even remotely related to the topic to use to back your views.
>> 
>> Interesting.
> 
> He can't deny it!   HOOT!   Dozen in the last six years?    He probably buys
> a dozen in one year.   LOLLERCOASTER

Of course, what he buys is not relevant to the discussion.


-- 
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"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...


more documented bald faced lies from the stupid fsckwit named chrisv.

don't you ever get tired of making a jackass out of yourself you stupid 
fscking asshole?

In article <ihs73e$sv9$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
> > Sandman wrote:
> >
> >>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sandman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and 
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
> >>> >
> >>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
> >>> >hardware and software.
> >>>
> >>> Says the Apple fanboi.
> >>
> >>Tell him I said hello.
> >
> > OK.  You said hello to you.
> >
> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> 
> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.

No, he didn't.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
news:lloydparsons-0CDCC8.10435727012011@port80.individual.net...
> In article <ihs6un$srj$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "White Spirit" <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:ihrq3q$e4m$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > On 27/01/2011 00:33, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article
>> >> <fd5df29f-a8a7-41fb-acd1-0526c44b53c4@k14g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>> >>   MuahMan<muahman@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >
>> >>> He's just the co-inventor of XML. Obviously our resident Appholes 
>> >>> know
>> >>> more than him or any industry expert.
>> >
>> >> Doesn't have shit to do with programming, has to do with business.
>> >
>> > XML is used a lot by programmers.  It's actually very useful.
>>
>> Lloyd doesn't bother to think before he replies.   Don't mind him, it's 
>> just
>> his senility talking.
>>
>> Freedom in programming and freedom in choice of programs has nothing to 
>> do
>> with programming?    LOLLERCOASTER
>>
>> Typical iPad owner... even stupider than the typical Mac owner...
>
> Typical troll stupidity.
>
> His expertise in XML doesn't give him credibility in business.

Who said it did?  The subject is freedom and choice.

Try thinking before you reply, after you've had your medication, preferably.

> And if you believe that Google is your friend, you are really dumber
> than I thought.

Apple has given the stupid fanboi a new enemy to hate.

LOLLERCOASTER 

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:alangbaker-714FB2.10213627012011@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ihs73e$sv9$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
>> > Sandman wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Sandman wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices 
>> >>> >> and
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using 
>> >>> >great
>> >>> >hardware and software.
>> >>>
>> >>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>> >>
>> >>Tell him I said hello.
>> >
>> > OK.  You said hello to you.
>> >
>> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>>
>> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
>
> No, he didn't.

Yes he did, Edwin. 

On Jan 27, 9:50=A0am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Sandman wrote:
> >In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jof...@4ax.com>,
> > chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> Sandman wrote:
>
> >> > White Spirit <wspi...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices an=
d the
> >> >> Nokia N900. =A0And I have Flash.
>
> >> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using grea=
t
> >> >hardware and software.
>
> >> Says the Apple fanboi.
>
> >Tell him I said hello.
>
> OK. =A0You said hello to you.
>
> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.

An interesting litmus test ... of sorts.

It does raise a few question on how to really count.  First, should
this be done on a strictly "Per Person" basis?  Or be pro-rated to aid
in addressing common situations such as there being a shared home
machine?  Second, for instances where there's required to be a
separation between personal hardware vs. business hardware, should
this be accounted for within the counting method, and if so, how?

For example, consider a household of 2 that has separation required,
but just buys a new laptop (for both work & home) every three
years.

If we simply sum them all up, then we get "8 devices in 6 years",
which clearly exceeds this 'fanboi' tag by a wide margin ... but I
find it hard to believe that this is the underlying intent of this
suggested metric.

My impression is that you're looking for the individual person who has
a laptop + iPad + iPhone + iPod + older laptop + iMac + aTV + older
iPhone + older iPod +  ... all bought in just a few years.

While there's some merit to looking at this from a 'brand loyalty'
perspective, greater insight into how many of these devices (ALL
BRANDS) the typical person buys over 6 years is needed before picking
a value for 'fanboi-ism' claims.

To illustrate, the metric's proposer can post for us all to see how
many devices their household has purchased in the last 6 years in each
of these categories:

- Personal Computers Desktop (Home + Work)
- Laptops/Notebooks (Home + Work)
- Netbooks/Tablets  (Home + Work*)
- MP3 Players  (Home + Work*)
- Cellular Phones  (Home + Work)
- TV Entertainment devices  (Home + Work*)

* - unlikely, but nevertheless

Suffice to say that if we assume the usual suspects, it wouldn't be
too terribly hard to have 5-9 devices that get replaced twice in 6
years, thereby yielding roughly 10-20 items that qualify for this
criteria, and we can see this from the perspective that brand name
loyalty can be as low as (6/20)=3D30%, yet still be high enough bust the
suggested limit, whereas it can just as easily have been as high as
(5/10)=3D50% and *not* bust the same suggested limit.

Overall, I think that the intent here is to illustrate (via a metric)
that said 'fanboi' stereotype has a high degree of brand-name loyalty
*plus* they're buying an above average number of items.  However, for
that sort of hypothesis, this n=3D6 criteria is inappropriate because it
is too highly simplistic.



-hh

In article <ihselt$9cp$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
> news:alangbaker-714FB2.10213627012011@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <ihs73e$sv9$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
> >> > Sandman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Sandman wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices 
> >> >>> >> and
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using 
> >> >>> >great
> >> >>> >hardware and software.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Says the Apple fanboi.
> >> >>
> >> >>Tell him I said hello.
> >> >
> >> > OK.  You said hello to you.
> >> >
> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> >>
> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
> >
> > No, he didn't.
> 
> Yes he did, Edwin. 

No... ...he didn't.

He bought three xserves for his business's use.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

In article <oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com>,
 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Sandman wrote:
> 
> >In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
> > chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Sandman wrote:
> >> 
> >> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and 
> >> >> the 
> >> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
> >> >
> >> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
> >> >hardware and software.
> >> 
> >> Says the Apple fanboi.
> >
> >Tell him I said hello.
> 
> OK.  You said hello to you.
> 
> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.

What charge?


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <ihs73e$sv9$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
> > Sandman wrote:
> >
> >>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sandman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices and 
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
> >>> >
> >>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
> >>> >hardware and software.
> >>>
> >>> Says the Apple fanboi.
> >>
> >>Tell him I said hello.
> >
> > OK.  You said hello to you.
> >
> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> 
> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.   Even ZnU says 
> Sandman is "nutty."

Hahaha!




-- 
Sandman[.net]

Sandman wrote:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sandman wrote:
>> 
>> > chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sandman wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
>> >> >hardware and software.
>> >> 
>> >> Says the Apple fanboi.
>> >
>> >Tell him I said hello.
>> 
>> OK.  You said hello to you.
>> 
>> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>
>What charge?

You are an Apple fanboi.  Is that clear-enough for you?

My charge that you are an Apple fanboi stands, unless you tell us that
you've bought  fewer than a dozen Apple products (a computer and
monitor counts as two) in the last 6 years.

I'm predicting nothing but more evasion (or thread-slinking) from you.

chrisv stated in post a9o5k6hi0akru5945a9ni2l77jlm56m1c3@4ax.com on 1/28/11
8:38 AM:

> Sandman wrote:
> 
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sandman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sandman wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great
>>>>>> hardware and software.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>>>> 
>>>> Tell him I said hello.
>>> 
>>> OK.  You said hello to you.
>>> 
>>> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>>> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>>> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>> 
>> What charge?
> 
> You are an Apple fanboi.  Is that clear-enough for you?
> 
> My charge that you are an Apple fanboi stands, unless you tell us that
> you've bought  fewer than a dozen Apple products (a computer and
> monitor counts as two) in the last 6 years.
> 
> I'm predicting nothing but more evasion (or thread-slinking) from you.
> 
What he has or had not purchased has no bearing on his argument.  This is a
non-issue you are pushing because you have no actual argument against his.


-- 
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

On Jan 28, 8:38=A0am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Sandman wrote:
> > chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> Sandman wrote:
>
> >> > chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >> Sandman wrote:
>
> >> >> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using g=
reat
> >> >> >hardware and software.
>
> >> >> Says the Apple fanboi.
>
> >> >Tell him I said hello.
>
> >> OK. =A0You said hello to you.
>
> >> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> >> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> >> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>
> >What charge?
>
> You are an Apple fanboi. =A0Is that clear-enough for you?
>
> My charge that you are an Apple fanboi stands,

Stands to whom?


> unless you tell us that
> you've bought =A0fewer than a dozen Apple products (a computer and
> monitor counts as two) in the last 6 years.
>
> I'm predicting nothing but more evasion (or thread-slinking) from you.

As opposed to broad brush strokes from you?

Gee... it might just be time for you to stick your fingers in your
ears, close your eyes and do that thing you do so well;)

On Jan 28, 11:03=A0am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 8:38=A0am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > Sandman wrote:
> > >What charge?
>
> > You are an Apple fanboi. =A0Is that clear-enough for you?
>
> > My charge that you are an Apple fanboi stands,
>
> Stands to whom?

Apparently, to Chrisv's personally defined 'metric'.  Unfortunately
for Chrisv, until Sandman makes a clear declaration for how many Apple
products he's bought over the past 6 years, Sandman isn't playing his
little game.


> > unless you tell us that
> > you've bought =A0fewer than a dozen Apple products (a computer and
> > monitor counts as two) in the last 6 years.
> >
> > I'm predicting nothing but more evasion (or thread-slinking) from you.
>
> As opposed to broad brush strokes from you?
>
> Gee... it might just be time for you to stick your fingers in your
> ears, close your eyes and do that thing you do so well;)

Chrisv already has, by his non-response to my post from last night
which pointed out the shortcomings of his simple little "litmus test".

As I mentioned, Chrisv needs to lead by example by posting for us all
to see how many devices his household has purchased in the last 6
years in each of these Apple-relevant categories:

- Personal Computers Desktop (Home + Work)
- Laptops/Notebooks (Home + Work)
- Netbooks/Tablets  (Home + Work*)
- MP3 Players  (Home + Work*)
- Cellular Phones  (Home + Work)
- TV Entertainment devices  (Home + Work*)

In most basic form, if one has bought Apple products in more than one
of these categories, Chrisv's "test" is pretty much self-fulfilling in
terms of his "fanboy" asseration because Chrisv set his value so
low.

For fun, try applying Chrisv's identical counting criteria to a
notional lable of "Linux Freak".   While we do so, let's not neglect
to also include the other "Apple Qualifying" items that were initially
overlooked and not on the above product category list, specifically:

 - Wireless Routers (Apple Airport)
 - NAS (Apple Time Capsule).

Pray tell...what do we do if someone turns out to be both an "Apple
Fanboi" and a "Linux Freak" too?  :-)


-hh

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:alangbaker-7C7911.21015427012011@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ihselt$9cp$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-714FB2.10213627012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> > In article <ihs73e$sv9$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
>> >> > Sandman wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Sandman wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android 
>> >> >>> >> devices
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using
>> >> >>> >great
>> >> >>> >hardware and software.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Tell him I said hello.
>> >> >
>> >> > OK.  You said hello to you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>> >>
>> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
>> >
>> > No, he didn't.
>>
>> Yes he did, Edwin.
>
> No... ...he didn't.
>
> He bought three xserves for his business's use.

Prove it, Edwin. 

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-808035.09522728012011@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <ihs73e$sv9$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
>> > Sandman wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Sandman wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices 
>> >>> >> and
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using 
>> >>> >great
>> >>> >hardware and software.
>> >>>
>> >>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>> >>
>> >>Tell him I said hello.
>> >
>> > OK.  You said hello to you.
>> >
>> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>>
>> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.   Even ZnU 
>> says
>> Sandman is "nutty."
>
> Hahaha!

There's all the confirmation anybody needs.

LOLLERCOASTER 

On 28/01/2011 16:47, -hh wrote:

> As I mentioned, Chrisv needs to lead by example by posting for us all
> to see how many devices his household has purchased in the last 6
> years in each of these Apple-relevant categories:

I'll play.

> - Personal Computers Desktop (Home + Work)

2 x GNU/Linux.

> - Laptops/Notebooks (Home + Work)

2 x GNU/Linux.

> - Netbooks/Tablets  (Home + Work*)

2 x Android/Linux.

> - MP3 Players  (Home + Work*)

2 x embedded Linux.

> - Cellular Phones  (Home + Work)

2 x Symbian.
1 x Maemo GNU/Linux.

> - TV Entertainment devices  (Home + Work*)

1 x embedded Linux.

White Spirit stated in post ihuu0r$moh$1@news.eternal-september.org on
1/28/11 10:22 AM:

> On 28/01/2011 16:47, -hh wrote:
> 
>> As I mentioned, Chrisv needs to lead by example by posting for us all
>> to see how many devices his household has purchased in the last 6
>> years in each of these Apple-relevant categories:
> 
> I'll play.

Oh, why not?

>> - Personal Computers Desktop (Home + Work)
> 
> 2 x GNU/Linux.

Two.  
 
>> - Laptops/Notebooks (Home + Work)
> 
> 2 x GNU/Linux.

None.

>> - Netbooks/Tablets  (Home + Work*)
> 
> 2 x Android/Linux.

None.
 
>> - MP3 Players  (Home + Work*)
> 
> 2 x embedded Linux.

None, *but* the two computers came with MP3 players for no added cost.

>> - Cellular Phones  (Home + Work)
> 
> 2 x Symbian.
> 1 x Maemo GNU/Linux.

One: cheapest prepaid Tracphone I could get.
 
>> - TV Entertainment devices  (Home + Work*)
> 
> 1 x embedded Linux.

Hmmm, bough a 19 inch TV and a DVD player.  And a VCR/DVD combo that died.



-- 
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> >> >>
> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
> >> >
> >> > No, he didn't.
> >>
> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
> >
> > No... ...he didn't.
> >
> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
> 
> Prove it, Edwin. 

<https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db1
96?hl=en>

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

> -hh wrote:
>> 
>> As I mentioned, Chrisv needs to lead by example by posting for us all
>> to see how many devices his household has purchased in the last 6
>> years in each of these Apple-relevant categories:

That's easy.  Zero.  I've never purchased an Apple product in my life.

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a 
>> >> >> > dozen
>> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the 
>> >> >> > last,
>> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
>> >> >
>> >> > No, he didn't.
>> >>
>> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
>> >
>> > No... ...he didn't.
>> >
>> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
>>
>> Prove it, Edwin.
>
> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db1
> 96?hl=en>

"Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
don't earn any money on them. "

You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, Edwin?

LOLLERCOASTER

"Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote in message 
news:ihuthi$p9m$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
> news:mr-808035.09522728012011@News.Individual.NET...
>> In article <ihs73e$sv9$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:oa13k691766j1c71kbisui5nnq0hmcre2o@4ax.com...
>>> > Sandman wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>In article <lc03k65m65jjae8irn5ugb4d7cl7jofg8k@4ax.com>,
>>> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Sandman wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> My principles don't stand in the way of me using Android devices 
>>> >>> >> and
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> >> Nokia N900.  And I have Flash.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using 
>>> >>> >great
>>> >>> >hardware and software.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Says the Apple fanboi.
>>> >>
>>> >>Tell him I said hello.
>>> >
>>> > OK.  You said hello to you.
>>> >
>>> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
>>> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
>>> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>>>
>>> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.   Even ZnU 
>>> says
>>> Sandman is "nutty."
>>
>> Hahaha!
>
> There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
>
> LOLLERCOASTER

If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enough to 
provide it:

"Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
don't earn any money on them. "

<https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db196?hl=en>

In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a 
> >> >> >> > dozen
> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the 
> >> >> >> > last,
> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, he didn't.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
> >> >
> >> > No... ...he didn't.
> >> >
> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
> >>
> >> Prove it, Edwin.
> >
> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db1
> > 96?hl=en>
> 
> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> don't earn any money on them. "
> 
> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, Edwin?

So? He had game servers and other servers.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:alangbaker-3B5CAB.12214328012011@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a
>> >> >> >> > dozen
>> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the
>> >> >> >> > last,
>> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No, he didn't.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
>> >> >
>> >> > No... ...he didn't.
>> >> >
>> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
>> >>
>> >> Prove it, Edwin.
>> >
>> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db1
>> > 96?hl=en>
>>
>> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
>> don't earn any money on them. "
>>
>> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, Edwin?
>
> So? He had game servers and other servers.

Prove it, Edwin.   What you quoted as proof says his servers are not used 
for business.

LOLLERCOASTER 

In article <ihv8vd$bpj$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
> news:alangbaker-3B5CAB.12214328012011@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
> >> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a
> >> >> >> >> > dozen
> >> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the
> >> >> >> >> > last,
> >> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No, he didn't.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No... ...he didn't.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
> >> >>
> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.
> >> >
> >> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db1
> >> > 96?hl=en>
> >>
> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> >> don't earn any money on them. "
> >>
> >> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, Edwin?
> >
> > So? He had game servers and other servers.
> 
> Prove it, Edwin.   What you quoted as proof says his servers are not used 
> for business.
> 
> LOLLERCOASTER 

No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.

He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. Now 
my business is all-Mac."

Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his 
business "all-Mac", Edwin?

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

In article <a9o5k6hi0akru5945a9ni2l77jlm56m1c3@4ax.com>,
 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> >> >> >Like I said, bummer when your principles get in the way of using great 
> >> >> >hardware and software.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Says the Apple fanboi.
> >> >
> >> >Tell him I said hello.
> >> 
> >> OK.  You said hello to you.
> >> 
> >> Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than a dozen
> >> Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in the last,
> >> say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> >
> >What charge?
> 
> You are an Apple fanboi.  Is that clear-enough for you?

Not unless you show me some form of credentials that make you suited 
as an arbiter of these matters. After all, you mentioned "charge", as 
if you are able to deal such out to any perceived offender and it 
would be taken seriously.

> My charge that you are an Apple fanboi stands, unless you tell us that
> you've bought  fewer than a dozen Apple products (a computer and
> monitor counts as two) in the last 6 years.

As far as I am aware, since you have failed to provide any 
substantiation to the contrary, your "charge" amounts to hot air. 

> I'm predicting nothing but more evasion (or thread-slinking) from you.

I'm not sure what specifically I could be evading here. Your "charge"? 
In what way would I be evading this? And why? Why does it mean to me, 
what is it supposed to mean to me - for you? What do you think this 
charge entails?

Let's use a hypothetical case here. Say, if I tell you that I think 
you're an ignorant usenet troll with pretty much no imagination and no 
real ambition - what would that "charge" mean to you? Would you feel 
compelled to prove it false by some criteria set by me?


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <ihv7u6$acp$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> > There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
> >
> > LOLLERCOASTER
> 
> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enough to 
> provide it:
> 
> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> don't earn any money on them. "
> 
> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db196?hl
> =en>

Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

Sandman wrote:

>Not unless you show me some form of credentials that make you suited 
>as an arbiter of these matters.

Whatever.  Fanboi.

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:alangbaker-0A2090.12403128012011@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ihv8vd$bpj$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-3B5CAB.12214328012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> > In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> >> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than 
>> >> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> >> > dozen
>> >> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in 
>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > last,
>> >> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > No, he didn't.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No... ...he didn't.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.
>> >> >
>> >> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db1
>> >> > 96?hl=en>
>> >>
>> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
>> >> don't earn any money on them. "
>> >>
>> >> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, Edwin?
>> >
>> > So? He had game servers and other servers.
>>
>> Prove it, Edwin.   What you quoted as proof says his servers are not used
>> for business.
>>
>> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.

No it doesn't, Edwin.

> He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. Now
> my business is all-Mac."

"Apart from the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since 
I
don't earn any money on them. "

You left that important part out again, Edwin.

> Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his
> business "all-Mac", Edwin?

He said the servers aren't part of the business, he earns no money on them, 
Edwin.

Why the fuck are you arguing this when Sandman isn't arguing it himself?

LOLLERCOASTER 

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-764901.22220428012011@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <ihv7u6$acp$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> > There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
>> >
>> > LOLLERCOASTER
>>
>> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enough to
>> provide it:
>>
>> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
>> don't earn any money on them. "
>>
>> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db196?hl
>> =en>
>
> Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.

Now?

LOLLERCOASTER

>
> -- 
> Sandman[.net] 

In article <ihvkmi$spi$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
> news:alangbaker-0A2090.12403128012011@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <ihv8vd$bpj$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> news:alangbaker-3B5CAB.12214328012011@news.shawcable.net...
> >> > In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
> >> >> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer than 
> >> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> >> > dozen
> >> >> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in 
> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> > last,
> >> >> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal use.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > No, he didn't.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No... ...he didn't.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521
> >> >> > db1
> >> >> > 96?hl=en>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> >> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> >> >> don't earn any money on them. "
> >> >>
> >> >> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, Edwin?
> >> >
> >> > So? He had game servers and other servers.
> >>
> >> Prove it, Edwin.   What you quoted as proof says his servers are not used
> >> for business.
> >>
> >> LOLLERCOASTER
> >
> > No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.
> 
> No it doesn't, Edwin.
> 
> > He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. Now
> > my business is all-Mac."
> 
> "Apart from the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since 
> I
> don't earn any money on them. "
> 
> You left that important part out again, Edwin.

How does that change the fact that he posted that acquiring his xserves 
had made his business "all-Mac"?

> 
> > Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his
> > business "all-Mac", Edwin?
> 
> He said the servers aren't part of the business, he earns no money on them, 
> Edwin.

No. He said his game servers weren't part of his business. He never said 
his game servers were the xserves.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

On Jan 28, 2:21=A0pm, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> White Spirit stated in post ihuu0r$mo...@news.eternal-september.org on
> 1/28/11 10:22 AM:
>
> > On 28/01/2011 16:47, -hh wrote:
>
> >> As I mentioned, Chrisv needs to lead by example by posting for us all
> >> to see how many devices his household has purchased in the last 6
> >> years in each of these Apple-relevant categories:
>
> > I'll play.
>
> Oh, why not?
>
> >> - Personal Computers Desktop (Home + Work)
>
> > 2 x GNU/Linux.
>
> Two. =A0

As per Chrisv's "NOYB" guidance for disregarding work machines, plus
the 6 year time window, this would be zero, because my current
personal desktop (G5 PowerMac) dates from 2003.

> >> - Laptops/Notebooks (Home + Work)
>
> > 2 x GNU/Linux.
>
> None.

One: a 2005 G4 Powerbook 12".

> >> - Netbooks/Tablets =A0(Home + Work*)
>
> > 2 x Android/Linux.
>
> None.

One iPad; is effectively replacing the 12" G4.


> >> - MP3 Players =A0(Home + Work*)
>
> > 2 x embedded Linux.
>
> None, *but* the two computers came with MP3 players for no added cost.

There's two iPods in the house, but only mine dates is sufficiently
recent vintage (2007 2G nano).  Both also have had noise-cancellation
headsets for years ... and both NC headsets are very, very near their
end-of-life (one has intermittent electronics; the other's foam covers
are disintegrating).  The Mrs says not to replace her's (2004 mini)
because she'll use the iPad instead.


> >> - Cellular Phones =A0(Home + Work)
>
> > 2 x Symbian.
> > 1 x Maemo GNU/Linux.
>
> One: cheapest prepaid Tracphone I could get.

Two personal (his/hers).  Both are older Motorola's (pre-2005 again).

> >> - TV Entertainment devices =A0(Home + Work*)
>
> > 1 x embedded Linux.
>
> Hmmm, bough a 19 inch TV and a DVD player. =A0And a VCR/DVD combo that di=
ed.

Wasn't intending this to include TV sets, since Apple doesn't make any
of these.  Was thinking more along the lines of Apple TV & similar, as
well as Wii, etc.  Here, I have two old used compact macs (Cube &
mini) that I picked up last summer for $200 with the intent to apply
to a home entertainment project, which has since stalled (Ethernet
cabling issue) and they're both sitting in a box collecting dust.
While I've disclosed their existence, I'm also inclined to disregard,
particularly since I hadn't even decided what OS & Software to run on
them.

In the subsequently added categories:

2005 - Wifi Router (linux)
2009 - Ethernet NAS (linux)
2010 - "N" Wifi Router (linux)

Summing can be done a couple of different ways:

Items that are/were "in use" [TBD=3Dstagnant hobby project] over 6 year
period:

1+1+1+2+2+[TBD]+3 =3D  10 items [or 12 items, if stagnant hobby is
included].

Same, identifying which are Apple brand hardware and 2005 or later, in
use:

0+1+1+(0+1)+0+[0]+0 =3D  4 items.

4 of 10 items being used is 40% ... over a 6 year lifecycle period.


Pragmatically, the old 2005 12" G4 is EOL and the 2003 desktop is
close to EOL too; I'll probably be replacing the desktop quite soon
and probably either get a new laptop, and/or pick up a second iPad.
While this does bump up the numbers, do also keep in mind that the
other factor is that these quantities are the sum being used for two
adults, not just one.


-hh

-hh stated in post 
c0859917-36e6-41a2-83ca-9b6e26529201@b34g2000yqc.googlegroups.com on 1/28/11
6:15 PM:

.... 
>>>> - TV Entertainment devices �(Home + Work*)
>> 
>>> 1 x embedded Linux.
>> 
>> Hmmm, bough a 19 inch TV and a DVD player. �And a VCR/DVD combo that died.
> 
> Wasn't intending this to include TV sets, since Apple doesn't make any
> of these.  

Was not sure what was meant here... figured my purchases there might not
count.

> Was thinking more along the lines of Apple TV & similar, as
> well as Wii, etc.

Have none of those... though somewhere my wife has a Playstation 1 buried
away.  

> Here, I have two old used compact macs (Cube &
> mini) that I picked up last summer for $200 with the intent to apply
> to a home entertainment project, which has since stalled (Ethernet
> cabling issue) and they're both sitting in a box collecting dust.
> While I've disclosed their existence, I'm also inclined to disregard,
> particularly since I hadn't even decided what OS & Software to run on
> them.
> 
> In the subsequently added categories:
> 
> 2005 - Wifi Router (linux)
> 2009 - Ethernet NAS (linux)
> 2010 - "N" Wifi Router (linux)

I have purchases two or three routers in the last few years.  None from
Apple (though their routers are excellent, they are a bit more expensive
than I could justify for the added benefits).

> Summing can be done a couple of different ways:
> 
> Items that are/were "in use" [TBD=stagnant hobby project] over 6 year
> period:
> 
> 1+1+1+2+2+[TBD]+3 =  10 items [or 12 items, if stagnant hobby is
> included].
> 
> Same, identifying which are Apple brand hardware and 2005 or later, in
> use:
> 
> 0+1+1+(0+1)+0+[0]+0 =  4 items.
> 
> 4 of 10 items being used is 40% ... over a 6 year lifecycle period.
> 
> 
> Pragmatically, the old 2005 12" G4 is EOL and the 2003 desktop is
> close to EOL too; I'll probably be replacing the desktop quite soon
> and probably either get a new laptop, and/or pick up a second iPad.
> While this does bump up the numbers, do also keep in mind that the
> other factor is that these quantities are the sum being used for two
> adults, not just one.
> 
> 
> -hh



-- 
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> -hh stated:
>
> > Wasn't intending this to include TV sets, since Apple doesn't make any
> > of these. =A0
>
> Was not sure what was meant here... figured my purchases there might not
> count.

Understandable.   The issue is that Chrisv's "anything Apple" purchase
criteria could include the AppleTV, so when we broaden this out to
other brands, we have to consider comparable products.  The same was
also true here:

> > In the subsequently added categories:
>
> > 2005 - Wifi Router (linux)
> > 2009 - Ethernet NAS (linux)
> > 2010 - "N" Wifi Router (linux)
>
> I have purchases two or three routers in the last few years. =A0None from
> Apple (though their routers are excellent, they are a bit more expensive
> than I could justify for the added benefits).

Again, these are examples of where an "Apple Nose Count" becomes
overly simplistic.

For example, I've been deliberating the merits of getting an Airport
Extreme to effectively replace two devices (WiFi + NAS) and from this
perspective, I'm not really sure that it incurs any real "Brand Name"
premium...perhaps someone can look at the prices in this fashion and
offer a comment (I don't really have any real need to look into it
until one or both of these existing WiFi routers die).  And if that
last statement sounds a bit odd, it is because the "N" listed above is
actually not for daily home use:  one of our annual vacations is a
house rental and we take the "N" with us to upgrade its network from
wired to wireless for our own convenience for the weeks while we're
there...it is a lot simpler & easier to simply drop the bucks to buy a
second one for such transient applications than to be hassled with
disrupting the one that's in situ. Even so, I'm tempted to replace it
with an Airport Express because the Express is a much smaller package,
and this item is traveling in carry-on baggage.


-hh

-hh stated in post 
659eb1a7-95d7-4008-bef9-8022e01b220c@f36g2000yqe.googlegroups.com on 1/28/11
7:43 PM:

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> -hh stated:
>> 
>>> Wasn't intending this to include TV sets, since Apple doesn't make any
>>> of these. �
>> 
>> Was not sure what was meant here... figured my purchases there might not
>> count.
> 
> Understandable.   The issue is that Chrisv's "anything Apple" purchase
> criteria could include the AppleTV, so when we broaden this out to
> other brands, we have to consider comparable products.  The same was
> also true here:
> 
>>> In the subsequently added categories:
>> 
>>> 2005 - Wifi Router (linux)
>>> 2009 - Ethernet NAS (linux)
>>> 2010 - "N" Wifi Router (linux)
>> 
>> I have purchases two or three routers in the last few years. �None from
>> Apple (though their routers are excellent, they are a bit more expensive
>> than I could justify for the added benefits).
> 
> Again, these are examples of where an "Apple Nose Count" becomes
> overly simplistic.
> 
> For example, I've been deliberating the merits of getting an Airport
> Extreme to effectively replace two devices (WiFi + NAS) and from this
> perspective, I'm not really sure that it incurs any real "Brand Name"
> premium...perhaps someone can look at the prices in this fashion and
> offer a comment (I don't really have any real need to look into it
> until one or both of these existing WiFi routers die).

Last I checked, the Airport base stations were still pretty expensive, but
it has literally been years since I have done any comparisons... back when
they were round and not squared.

> And if that last statement sounds a bit odd, it is because the "N" listed
> above is actually not for daily home use:  one of our annual vacations is a
> house rental and we take the "N" with us to upgrade its network from wired to
> wireless for our own convenience for the weeks while we're there...it is a lot
> simpler & easier to simply drop the bucks to buy a second one for such
> transient applications than to be hassled with disrupting the one that's in
> situ. 

Makes sense.

> Even so, I'm tempted to replace it with an Airport Express because the
> Express is a much smaller package, and this item is traveling in carry-on
> baggage.

Again, makes complete sense.  I might take a wireless router with me when I
go visiting family later this year.



-- 
[INSERT .SIG HERE]

In article <ihvknu$sun$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> >> > There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
> >> >
> >> > LOLLERCOASTER
> >>
> >> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enough to
> >> provide it:
> >>
> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> >> don't earn any money on them. "
> >>
> >> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db196
> >> ?hl
> >> =en>
> >
> > Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.
> 
> Now?

Yeah, please help. Was the Xserves for my business or for personal use?



-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <51e6k658ugeq215d0o2og6l3hpnas8shkf@4ax.com>,
 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Sandman wrote:
> 
> >Not unless you show me some form of credentials that make you suited 
> >as an arbiter of these matters.
> 
> Whatever.  Fanboi.

Whatever, stupid unimaginative troll-wannabe. 


-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <ihvkmi$spi$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> > No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.
> 
> No it doesn't, Edwin.
> 
> > He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. Now
> > my business is all-Mac."
> 
> "Apart from the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since 
> I
> don't earn any money on them. "
> 
> You left that important part out again, Edwin.
> 
> > Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his
> > business "all-Mac", Edwin?
> 
> He said the servers aren't part of the business, he earns no money on them, 
> Edwin.
> 
> Why the fuck are you arguing this when Sandman isn't arguing it himself?

What's to argue with? You made a claim, all your claims are always 
100% wrong. It's not like people here need any "argument" to display 
your ignorance about English or computers. You may now proclaim 
victory:




-- 
Sandman[.net]

Sandman stated in post mr-A6D2DB.10422629012011@News.Individual.NET on
1/29/11 2:42 AM:

> In article <ihvknu$sun$1@news.albasani.net>,
>  "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> 
>>>>> There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> LOLLERCOASTER
>>>> 
>>>> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enough to
>>>> provide it:
>>>> 
>>>> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>>>> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
>>>> don't earn any money on them. "
>>>> 
>>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db196
>>>> ?hl
>>>> =en>
>>> 
>>> Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.
>> 
>> Now?
> 
> Yeah, please help. Was the Xserves for my business or for personal use?
> 
> 
What percent of your web work is just trolling?  Clearly you have a lot...
just your lying/trolling me:

    <http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/faq/index.php?faq=sigmond>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Css_Validation>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Gibberish>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_New_Sock_Puppet>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Quote_Forging>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Tilde>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/PDFforgery>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/ScreenshotForgery>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/plain/ascii.php?name=Snit>
    <http://csma.sandman.net/TrollScoring/Snit>
    
And there is a *lot* more... hundreds of pages... all just with references
to me... *very clearly* used for your personal trolling purposes (and this
does not include your info on Dreamweaver, etc. which is there just to troll
me):

<http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/ajax/interactive/read.php?mode=comment&id=350
105>

<http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/ajax/interactive/read.php?mode=comment&id=735
19>

<http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/faq/index.php?faq=sigmond>

<http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/faq/index.php?faq=sigmond&id=80>

<http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/faq/index.php?faq=sigmond&id=81>

<http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/faq/index.php?faq=sigmond&id=82>

<http://csma.sandman.net/atlas/faq/index.php?faq=sigmond&id=83>

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On Jan 29, 5:11=A0am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Sandman stated in post mr-A6D2DB.10422629012...@News.Individual.NET on
> 1/29/11 2:42 AM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <ihvknu$su...@news.albasani.net>,
> > =A0"Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>> There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
>
> >>>>> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> >>>> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enoug=
h to
> >>>> provide it:
>
> >>>> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> >>>> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> >>>> don't earn any money on them. "
>
> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b285=
21...
> >>>> ?hl
> >>>> =3Den>
>
> >>> Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.
>
> >> Now?
>
> > Yeah, please help. Was the Xserves for my business or for personal use?
>
> What percent of your web work

.... points out trolls like you? Probably not much at all. Now cap off
and STFU, you hypocritical, whining weasel. I say "hypocritical"
because it was you who started building web pages about people before
Sandman created the trolling criteria section of his site that you
essentially begged him for. I say "whining weasel" because the term
defines you better than any other.

Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> And there is a *lot* more... hundreds of pages...

Hmmm....

<http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/HTML/How-to-Create-a-Dynamic-Web-Page/
>



-hh

-hh stated in post 
ddfe7d48-32e5-4797-a33d-8e55dd033d71@s11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com on 1/29/11
11:09 AM:

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And there is a *lot* more... hundreds of pages...
> 
> Hmmm....
> 
> <http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/HTML/How-to-Create-a-Dynamic-Web-Page/

I can find irrelevant links as well.  So?   This does not change the fact
that Sandman had *hundreds* of pages that reference his lies and trolling.
For him to say this is his job is just insane, unless other trolls are
paying him to house their data.... which might be the case.  Heck, HPT
certainly uses the list of obsessively gathered and forged quotes.  Carroll
uses other pages.  Maybe that is how Sandman earns his living.

-- 
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On Jan 29, 11:09=A0am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > And there is a *lot* more... hundreds of pages...
>
> Hmmm....
>
> <http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/HTML/How-to-Create-a-Dynamic-Web-Page/
>
>
>
> -hh

LOL!

On Jan 29, 5:44=A0pm, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 11:09=A0am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
> > Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > > And there is a *lot* more... hundreds of pages...
>
> > Hmmm....
>
> > <http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/HTML/How-to-Create-a-Dynamic-Web-Page/
>
> > -hh
>
> LOL!

Glad someone understood it.


-hh

-hh stated in post 
87c8bae7-1cfa-4258-98b3-59400cf16abb@l18g2000yqm.googlegroups.com on 1/29/11
4:18 PM:

> On Jan 29, 5:44�pm, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 11:09�am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> And there is a *lot* more... hundreds of pages...
>> 
>>> Hmmm....
>> 
>>> <http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/HTML/How-to-Create-a-Dynamic-Web-Page/
>> 
>>> -hh
>> 
>> LOL!
> 
> Glad someone understood it.

No - Carroll just laughs like that because he thinks it bugs me.  Look at
his sock "Big Crotch" for dozens of examples.

It sounds as if you thought his site being dynamic was not understood by...
someone.  Maybe you thought I did not get it?  In any case, it is not
relevant.

Of course, you will claim it is... but then never say why.  The fact is, for
Sandman to say he makes money off his sites filled with trolling and lying
is pretty sad - and points to the idea that Steve and HPT and others pay him
to post their lies.  They have made it clear they work together, but I never
knew they *paid* him to post that BS.  No wonder he keeps it there - as
humiliating as it is for him and as much as it is going against his word to
not lie or troll, he feels obligated (and might even have contractual
obligations).  How pathetic.


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"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:alangbaker-C35C3A.15561428012011@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ihvkmi$spi$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-0A2090.12403128012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> > In article <ihv8vd$bpj$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:alangbaker-3B5CAB.12214328012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> >> > In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> >> >> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> >> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer 
>> >> >> >> >> >> > than
>> >> >> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> >> >> > dozen
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in
>> >> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> > last,
>> >> >> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal 
>> >> >> >> >> >> use.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > No, he didn't.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > No... ...he didn't.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521
>> >> >> > db1
>> >> >> > 96?hl=en>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>> >> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
>> >> >> don't earn any money on them. "
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, 
>> >> >> Edwin?
>> >> >
>> >> > So? He had game servers and other servers.
>> >>
>> >> Prove it, Edwin.   What you quoted as proof says his servers are not 
>> >> used
>> >> for business.
>> >>
>> >> LOLLERCOASTER
>> >
>> > No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.
>>
>> No it doesn't, Edwin.
>>
>> > He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. Now
>> > my business is all-Mac."
>>
>> "Apart from the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, 
>> since
>> I
>> don't earn any money on them. "
>>
>> You left that important part out again, Edwin.
>
> How does that change the fact that he posted that acquiring his xserves
> had made his business "all-Mac"?

He didn't post anything like that in what you quoted.   It said his business 
is on a Linux Server, dunce.

"I replaced it some years later with a cheap
Athlon Linux server and when I lost the job and started my own company
I went with the linux solution. Being a Mac guy, this has always been
a "thing" for me. How I rather would have a Mac server. The linux
server (dual 3.6Ghz Xeon (last-gen)) has served me well (not a single
crash, ever) though. "

He says he would rather have a Mac server, but the Linux server has served 
him well.


>>
>> > Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his
>> > business "all-Mac", Edwin?
>>
>> He said the servers aren't part of the business, he earns no money on 
>> them,
>> Edwin.
>
> No. He said his game servers weren't part of his business. He never said
> his game servers were the xserves.

He said his Mac servers are game servers, and his business server is a Linux 
server, Edwin.

Where the fuck did you learn to read?   Were you home schooled?

LOLLERCOASTER 

In article <ii769c$qps$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
> news:alangbaker-C35C3A.15561428012011@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <ihvkmi$spi$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> news:alangbaker-0A2090.12403128012011@news.shawcable.net...
> >> > In article <ihv8vd$bpj$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:alangbaker-3B5CAB.12214328012011@news.shawcable.net...
> >> >> > In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
> >> >> >> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >> >> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought fewer 
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > than
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dozen
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > last,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal 
> >> >> >> >> >> >> use.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > No, he didn't.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > No... ...he didn't.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28
> >> >> >> > 521
> >> >> >> > db1
> >> >> >> > 96?hl=en>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> >> >> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> >> >> >> don't earn any money on them. "
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, 
> >> >> >> Edwin?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So? He had game servers and other servers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.   What you quoted as proof says his servers are not 
> >> >> used
> >> >> for business.
> >> >>
> >> >> LOLLERCOASTER
> >> >
> >> > No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.
> >>
> >> No it doesn't, Edwin.
> >>
> >> > He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. Now
> >> > my business is all-Mac."
> >>
> >> "Apart from the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, 
> >> since
> >> I
> >> don't earn any money on them. "
> >>
> >> You left that important part out again, Edwin.
> >
> > How does that change the fact that he posted that acquiring his xserves
> > had made his business "all-Mac"?
> 
> He didn't post anything like that in what you quoted.   It said his business 
> is on a Linux Server, dunce.
> 
> "I replaced it some years later with a cheap
> Athlon Linux server and when I lost the job and started my own company
> I went with the linux solution. Being a Mac guy, this has always been
> a "thing" for me. How I rather would have a Mac server. The linux
> server (dual 3.6Ghz Xeon (last-gen)) has served me well (not a single
> crash, ever) though. "
> 
> He says he would rather have a Mac server, but the Linux server has served 
> him well.

Yes. He went with (past tense) with a Linux server, then he bought is 
xserves to replace them.

> 
> 
> >>
> >> > Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his
> >> > business "all-Mac", Edwin?
> >>
> >> He said the servers aren't part of the business, he earns no money on 
> >> them,
> >> Edwin.
> >
> > No. He said his game servers weren't part of his business. He never said
> > his game servers were the xserves.
> 
> He said his Mac servers are game servers, and his business server is a Linux 
> server, Edwin.

I'm sorry, but that isn't what he said.

> 
> Where the fuck did you learn to read?   Were you home schooled?
> 
> LOLLERCOASTER

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:alangbaker-0696EC.12521931012011@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ii769c$qps$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-C35C3A.15561428012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> > In article <ihvkmi$spi$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:alangbaker-0A2090.12403128012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> >> > In article <ihv8vd$bpj$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:alangbaker-3B5CAB.12214328012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> >> >> > In article <ihv7am$9gc$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> >> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:alangbaker-CB40BA.11325628012011@news.shawcable.net...
>> >> >> >> > In article <ihutg6$p8p$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> >> >> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Tell you what, if you tell us that you've bought 
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > fewer
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > than
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dozen
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Apple products (a computer and monitor counts as two) 
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > last,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > say, 6 years, I'll withdraw my charge.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Shit, the fanboi bought three xserves for his personal
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> use.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > No, he didn't.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Yes he did, Edwin.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > No... ...he didn't.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > He bought three xserves for his business's use.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28
>> >> >> >> > 521
>> >> >> >> > db1
>> >> >> >> > 96?hl=en>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>> >> >> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since 
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> don't earn any money on them. "
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you,
>> >> >> >> Edwin?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So? He had game servers and other servers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Prove it, Edwin.   What you quoted as proof says his servers are 
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> used
>> >> >> for business.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> LOLLERCOASTER
>> >> >
>> >> > No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.
>> >>
>> >> No it doesn't, Edwin.
>> >>
>> >> > He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. 
>> >> > Now
>> >> > my business is all-Mac."
>> >>
>> >> "Apart from the game servers, which isn't really part of the business,
>> >> since
>> >> I
>> >> don't earn any money on them. "
>> >>
>> >> You left that important part out again, Edwin.
>> >
>> > How does that change the fact that he posted that acquiring his xserves
>> > had made his business "all-Mac"?
>>
>> He didn't post anything like that in what you quoted.   It said his 
>> business
>> is on a Linux Server, dunce.
>>
>> "I replaced it some years later with a cheap
>> Athlon Linux server and when I lost the job and started my own company
>> I went with the linux solution. Being a Mac guy, this has always been
>> a "thing" for me. How I rather would have a Mac server. The linux
>> server (dual 3.6Ghz Xeon (last-gen)) has served me well (not a single
>> crash, ever) though. "
>>
>> He says he would rather have a Mac server, but the Linux server has 
>> served
>> him well.
>
> Yes. He went with (past tense) with a Linux server, then he bought is
> xserves to replace them.

Those words do not appear in anything you quoted, Edwin.

>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> > Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his
>> >> > business "all-Mac", Edwin?
>> >>
>> >> He said the servers aren't part of the business, he earns no money on
>> >> them,
>> >> Edwin.
>> >
>> > No. He said his game servers weren't part of his business. He never 
>> > said
>> > his game servers were the xserves.
>>
>> He said his Mac servers are game servers, and his business server is a 
>> Linux
>> server, Edwin.
>
> I'm sorry,

Apology rejected.

> but that isn't what he said.

Yes it is, Edwin.

>>
>> Where the fuck did you learn to read?   Were you home schooled?
>>
>> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> -- 
> "The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
> "I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
> "It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix 
> with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin 
> on Mac OS X)
> '[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
> 'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
> IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
> 'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
> on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-DAD70B.10474929012011@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <ihvkmi$spi$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> > No. It says that his business had game servers and xserves.
>>
>> No it doesn't, Edwin.
>>
>> > He gets three xserves and declares "But now the circle is complete. Now
>> > my business is all-Mac."
>>
>> "Apart from the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, 
>> since
>> I
>> don't earn any money on them. "
>>
>> You left that important part out again, Edwin.
>>
>> > Why would he have said that if the xserves weren't what made his
>> > business "all-Mac", Edwin?
>>
>> He said the servers aren't part of the business, he earns no money on 
>> them,
>> Edwin.
>>
>> Why the fuck are you arguing this when Sandman isn't arguing it himself?
>
> What's to argue with? You made a claim, all your claims are always
> 100% right. It's not like people here need any "argument" to display
> my ignorance about English or computers. You may now proclaim
> victory:

VICTORY!!!

LOLLERCOASTER

>
>
> -- 
> Sandman[.net] 

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-A6D2DB.10422629012011@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <ihvknu$sun$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> >> > There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
>> >> >
>> >> > LOLLERCOASTER
>> >>
>> >> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enough 
>> >> to
>> >> provide it:
>> >>
>> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
>> >> don't earn any money on them. "
>> >>
>> >> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db196
>> >> ?hl
>> >> =en>
>> >
>> > Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.
>>
>> Now?
>
> Yeah, please help. Was the Xserves for my business or for personal use?

LOLLERCOASTER

>
> -- 
> Sandman[.net] 

In article <iieqll$jc4$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> >> >> > There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > LOLLERCOASTER
> >> >>
> >> >> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind enough 
> >> >> to
> >> >> provide it:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
> >> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
> >> >> don't earn any money on them. "
> >> >>
> >> >> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db
> >> >> 196
> >> >> ?hl
> >> >> =en>
> >> >
> >> > Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.
> >>
> >> Now?
> >
> > Yeah, please help. Was the Xserves for my business or for personal use?
> 
> LOLLERCOASTER

I win again. All too easy. 




-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <iieq5e$ig2$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> >> Why the fuck are you arguing this when Sandman isn't arguing it himself?
> >
> > What's to argue with? You made a claim, all your claims are always
> > 100% right. It's not like people here need any "argument" to display
> > my ignorance about English or computers. You may now proclaim
> > victory:
> 
> VICTORY!!!

Like fish in a barrel.


-- 
Sandman[.net]

On Jan 29, 4:50=A0pm, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> -hh stated in post
> 87c8bae7-1cfa-4258-98b3-59400cf16...@l18g2000yqm.googlegroups.com on 1/29=
/11
> 4:18 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:44=A0pm, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 29, 11:09=A0am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> And there is a *lot* more... hundreds of pages...
>
> >>> Hmmm....
>
> >>> <http://www.devarticles.com/c/a/HTML/How-to-Create-a-Dynamic-Web-Page=
/
>
> >>> -hh
>
> >> LOL!
>
> > Glad someone understood it.
>
> No - Carroll just laughs like that because he thinks it bugs me.

Telling people why I laugh not, Snit?

(snip crap)

> It sounds as if you thought his site being dynamic was not understood by.=
...
> someone.

Not someone, you.

>=A0Maybe you thought I did not get it? =A0

It was obvious you did not "get it"

> In any case, it is not relevant.

"Actually", it was totally relevant.

> Of course, you will claim it is... but then never say why. =A0

That you don't know why is what makes this all the funnier;)

> The fact is, for
> Sandman to say he makes money off his sites filled with trolling and lyin=
g
> is pretty sad - and points to the idea that Steve and HPT and others pay =
him
> to post their lies. =A0They have made it clear they work together, but I =
never
> knew they *paid* him to post that BS.

Of course, Snit... we're all on his 'payroll' and we have all
conspired against you.

Now go put your crack pipe down for today, ok?


> =A0No wonder he keeps it there - as
> humiliating as it is for him and as much as it is going against his word =
to
> not lie or troll, he feels obligated (and might even have contractual
> obligations). =A0How pathetic.

And cap off that glue tube while you're at it...

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-F7C17D.20340803022011@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <iieq5e$ig2$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> >> Why the fuck are you arguing this when Sandman isn't arguing it 
>> >> himself?
>> >
>> > What's to argue with? You made a claim, all your claims are always
>> > 100% right. It's not like people here need any "argument" to display
>> > my ignorance about English or computers. You may now proclaim
>> > victory:
>>
>> VICTORY!!!
>
> I'm like a fish in a barrel.

DOUBLE VICTORY!!!

>
> -- 
> Sandman[.net] 

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
news:mr-F13D83.20335103022011@News.Individual.NET...
> In article <iieqll$jc4$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> >> >> > There's all the confirmation anybody needs.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > LOLLERCOASTER
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If any further confirmation is wanted, Alan/Edwin/KDT was kind 
>> >> >> enough
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> provide it:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Now my business is all-Mac. Apart from
>> >> >> the game servers, which isn't really part of the business, since I
>> >> >> don't earn any money on them. "
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/18602b28521db
>> >> >> 196
>> >> >> ?hl
>> >> >> =en>
>> >> >
>> >> > Wait, was it my business or for personal use? I'm confused now.
>> >>
>> >> Now?
>> >
>> > Yeah, please help. Was the Xserves for my business or for personal use?
>>
>> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> I lose again. All too hard.

LOLLERCOASTER

>
>
> -- 
> Sandman[.net] 

In article <iiup5b$2h0$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message 
> news:mr-F7C17D.20340803022011@News.Individual.NET...
> > In article <iieq5e$ig2$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> >> Why the fuck are you arguing this when Sandman isn't arguing it 
> >> >> himself?
> >> >
> >> > What's to argue with? You made a claim, all your claims are always
> >> > 100% right. It's not like people here need any "argument" to display
> >> > my ignorance about English or computers. You may now proclaim
> >> > victory:
> >>
> >> VICTORY!!!
> >
> > I'm like a fish in a barrel.
> 
> DOUBLE VICTORY!!!

So, yeah, I'm going to killfile you now. I hope you take a hiatus and 
return with a better sock puppet troll than this one. I miss the real 
Edwin, actually. 

As I said - you were once a very good troll, now you're Muahman. :/





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