Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.

(He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)

Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
Nice piano work as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY

Keith = Linux = defective
Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.

flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.

> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)

> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
> Nice piano work as well.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY

> Keith = Linux = defective
> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.

Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:

Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
Women, ...

Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
that any comparison is laughable.

On 3/26/2011 10:22 AM, owl wrote:
> flatfish+++<flatfish@marianatrench.com>  wrote:
>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>
>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>
>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
>> Nice piano work as well.
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>
>> Keith = Linux = defective
>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>
> Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:
>
> Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
> Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
> Women, ...
>
> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
> that any comparison is laughable.
>

If it was not for Chuck Berry and many other kings of rock and roll 
leading the way, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles would not even exist.

Big Steel <Steel@steel.com> wrote:
> On 3/26/2011 10:22 AM, owl wrote:
> > flatfish+++<flatfish@marianatrench.com>  wrote:
> >> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
> >
> >> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
> >
> >> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
> >> Nice piano work as well.
> >
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
> >
> >> Keith = Linux = defective
> >> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
> >
> > Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:
> >
> > Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
> > Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
> > Women, ...
> >
> > Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
> > that any comparison is laughable.
> >

> If it was not for Chuck Berry and many other kings of rock and roll 
> leading the way, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles would not even exist.

Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten.
That doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
"school" him.

Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play them."
Keith: "Whatever."

On 3/26/2011 11:22 AM, owl wrote:
> Big Steel<Steel@steel.com>  wrote:
>> On 3/26/2011 10:22 AM, owl wrote:
>>> flatfish+++<flatfish@marianatrench.com>   wrote:
>>>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>>
>>>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>>
>>>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
>>>> Nice piano work as well.
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>>
>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>>>
>>> Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:
>>>
>>> Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
>>> Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
>>> Women, ...
>>>
>>> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
>>> that any comparison is laughable.
>>>
>
>> If it was not for Chuck Berry and many other kings of rock and roll
>> leading the way, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles would not even exist.
>
> Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten.
> That doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
> "school" him.
>
> Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play them."
> Keith: "Whatever."
>

Please.....

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:22:18 +0000, owl wrote:

> Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten. That
> doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
> "school" him.
> 
> Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play
> them." Keith: "Whatever."

Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

> flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
> 
>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
> 
>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
>> Nice piano work as well.
> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
> 
>> Keith = Linux = defective
>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
> 
> Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:
> 
> Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
> Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
> Women, ...
> 
> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
> that any comparison is laughable.

Dude calm down......
You seem to have anger management problems.

BTW Chuck Berry can play the skin off of Keith Richards.

Any high school garage rock band can play Stones tunes.
Not many can play like Chuck Berry, the RIGHT WAY.
Even *I* can play the JBG lick on a guitar.
I play it the WRONG way because I'm not a guitar player.
I know because I was in enough of them, back when the Stones started
BTW.
In fact *THAT* was the point of the Stones.
Simple music that was the opposite of the Beatles which is quite complex
music, most of it anyway. 

I like em' all because they are different.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:46:32 -0400, Big Steel wrote:

> On 3/26/2011 10:22 AM, owl wrote:
>> flatfish+++<flatfish@marianatrench.com>  wrote:
>>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>
>>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>
>>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
>>> Nice piano work as well.
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>
>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>>
>> Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:
>>
>> Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
>> Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
>> Women, ...
>>
>> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
>> that any comparison is laughable.
>>
> 
> If it was not for Chuck Berry and many other kings of rock and roll 
> leading the way, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles would not even exist.

That is true.

flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:

> > flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
> >> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
> > 
> >> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
> > 
> >> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
> >> Nice piano work as well.
> > 
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
> > 
> >> Keith = Linux = defective
> >> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
> > 
> > Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:
> > 
> > Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
> > Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
> > Women, ...
> > 
> > Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
> > that any comparison is laughable.

> Dude calm down......
> You seem to have anger management problems.

?

> BTW Chuck Berry can play the skin off of Keith Richards.

The student 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op1FhBmflgo

The great master lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RAfxiyMKAk

Hardon <hardon.quirk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:22:18 +0000, owl wrote:

> > Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten. That
> > doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
> > "school" him.
> > 
> > Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play
> > them." Keith: "Whatever."

> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)

lol Chuck Berry was an overrated old pervert, and that song was the
crowning achievement of his mediocre career.

On 3/26/2011 1:09 PM, owl wrote:
> Hardon<hardon.quirk@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:22:18 +0000, owl wrote:
>
>>> Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten. That
>>> doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
>>> "school" him.
>>>
>>> Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play
>>> them." Keith: "Whatever."
>
>> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
>
> lol Chuck Berry was an overrated old pervert, and that song was the
> crowning achievement of his mediocre career.
>

Yeah, 'He ain't nothing but a hounddog'.

Big Steel <Steel@steel.com> wrote:
> On 3/26/2011 1:09 PM, owl wrote:
> > Hardon<hardon.quirk@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:22:18 +0000, owl wrote:
> >
> >>> Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten. That
> >>> doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
> >>> "school" him.
> >>>
> >>> Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play
> >>> them." Keith: "Whatever."
> >
> >> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
> >
> > lol Chuck Berry was an overrated old pervert, and that song was the
> > crowning achievement of his mediocre career.
> >

> Yeah, 'He ain't nothing but a hounddog'.

He was once, but these days he rarely leaves the walls of Graceland.

On 3/26/2011 4:47 PM, owl wrote:
> Big Steel<Steel@steel.com>  wrote:
>> On 3/26/2011 1:09 PM, owl wrote:
>>> Hardon<hardon.quirk@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:22:18 +0000, owl wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten. That
>>>>> doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
>>>>> "school" him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play
>>>>> them." Keith: "Whatever."
>>>
>>>> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
>>>
>>> lol Chuck Berry was an overrated old pervert, and that song was the
>>> crowning achievement of his mediocre career.
>>>
>
>> Yeah, 'He ain't nothing but a hounddog'.
>
> He was once, but these days he rarely leaves the walls of Graceland.
>

Who Chuck? What's Graceland?

On 26-03-11 16:33, Hardon wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:22:18 +0000, owl wrote:
>
>> Einstein was influenced by the first cave man to count to ten. That
>> doesn't make it any less humorous when the cave man tries to
>> "school" him.
>>
>> Chuck: "These are the three chords I know, and *this* is how I play
>> them." Keith: "Whatever."
>
> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)

Whatever, he's a great guitarist and IMO the Stones made quite a lot of 
cool songs. I especially love their "Steel Wheels" album.

Chuck Berry has always been one of the biggest bores in my book. No idea 
why Flounder feels the need to share his bad taste with all of us, all 
of the time :-/

-- 
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin, alias ML2MST
|_|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://osg33x.blogspot.com

Verily I say unto thee, that flatty trolled:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
>> flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:

>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
[...]
>> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and
>> talent that any comparison is laughable.
>
> Dude calm down......
> You seem to have anger management problems.

Why are you so surprised? After all, you deliberately trolled to elicit
that response, didn't you?

But neither of you are correct, IMHO.

Chuck Berry was (is) perhaps the single most important influence on
music in his era, essentially creating the Rock and Roll genre, and thus
spawning many different variations that form the basis of nearly all
popular music we hear today.

But exactly the same can be said of the Stones, and many others, in
later years, and even Berry's style was merely an evolutionary step
inspired by existing genres such as blue and country. Everyone plays
their own part, albeit Berry's part was more significant than most.

Berry and Richards are merely different, they have different playing
styles and different approaches to music. Neither is better than the
other. Richards' style is more sophisticated, Berry's is more
rhythmical.  That's it.

But to dismiss Berry's contribution merely because of its lack of
sophistication is a mistake. Apart from its very obvious influence on
music, it had significant cultural impact, greatly helping the civil
rights movement of the day in bridging the divide between black and
white, rich and poor. And of course, in Richards own words, Berry is the
very reason he got into music in the first place.

As for your silly and irrelevant comparisons to operating systems, it
seems you have some "anger management" issues of your own to deal with.

About the only relevant comparison that can be made between operating
systems and music, is the fact that, like music, the popular it is, the
more sanitised it is for general consumption. That's great if you're a
businessman, but not so much if you're a connoisseur. 

-- 
K.                           | "Do you have a dot on your head
http://slated.org            |  and are you based in Bangalore?"
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky   |  ~ flatfish+++ the racist scum.
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 39 days  | http://tinyurl.com/flattyracistscum

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:15:07 +0000, Homer wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that flatty trolled:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
>>> flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
> [...]
>>> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and
>>> talent that any comparison is laughable.
>>
>> Dude calm down......
>> You seem to have anger management problems.
> 
> Why are you so surprised? After all, you deliberately trolled to elicit
> that response, didn't you?

Leave it to [Homer] and the Linux loons to turn a funny video into some
discussion of epic proportions.

Yikes!!!

Hey [Homer], you want to have some real fun?

Head over to the classical piano forums and tell them how you like
playing Mozart on your Casio keyboard and how you can't tell the
difference between it and a Baldwin concert grand.

You'll fit right in with that crowd.

BTW you snipped the part where I wrote I like them both.
But that's the way you operate right "tunermator" ?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

On 03/25/2011 05:20 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>
> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>
> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
> Nice piano work as well.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>
> Keith = Linux = defective
> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.


There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker
not too long ago.


He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten 
years in a row...then they figured...oh heck
if he's still alive he'll probably last for a while now

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:11:09 +0100, Marti Van Lin wrote:

> On 26-03-11 16:33, Hardon wrote:
> 
>> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
> 
> Whatever, he's a great guitarist and IMO the Stones made quite a lot
> of cool songs. I especially love their "Steel Wheels" album.

It was meant to be humour hence the smiley. Perhaps you are too young
to remember Chuck Berry's 'My Ding a Ling'. If you do remember it then
I can't explain why you missed the joke. :-)

On 3/26/2011 7:35 PM, Hardon wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:11:09 +0100, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> On 26-03-11 16:33, Hardon wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
>>
>> Whatever, he's a great guitarist and IMO the Stones made quite a lot
>> of cool songs. I especially love their "Steel Wheels" album.
>
> It was meant to be humour hence the smiley. Perhaps you are too young
> to remember Chuck Berry's 'My Ding a Ling'. If you do remember it then
> I can't explain why you missed the joke. :-)

Is he not suppose to be the Electro Chopin. Sure he knows what a 'Ding a 
Ling' is. He knows it 'every which way but loose'.

On 27-03-11 00:35, Hardon wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:11:09 +0100, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> On 26-03-11 16:33, Hardon wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
>>
>> Whatever, he's a great guitarist and IMO the Stones made quite a lot
>> of cool songs. I especially love their "Steel Wheels" album.
>
> It was meant to be humour hence the smiley. Perhaps you are too young
> to remember Chuck Berry's 'My Ding a Ling'. If you do remember it then
> I can't explain why you missed the joke. :-)

Oh well, my apologies, I didn't get the joke. I was born in 1961 and 
thus Chuck Berry was "before my time".

-- 
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin, alias ML2MST
|_|_|0| Registered GNU/Linux user 513040
|0|0|0| http://osg33x.blogspot.com

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:

> On 03/25/2011 05:20 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>
>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>
>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
>> Nice piano work as well.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>
>> Keith = Linux = defective
>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
> 
> 
> There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker
> not too long ago.
> 
> 
> He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten 
> years in a row...then they figured...oh heck
> if he's still alive he'll probably last for a while now

They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.

On 3/26/2011 12:31 PM, owl wrote:
> flatfish+++<flatfish@marianatrench.com>  wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
>
>>> flatfish+++<flatfish@marianatrench.com>  wrote:
>>>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>>
>>>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>>
>>>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds.
>>>> Nice piano work as well.
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>>
>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>>>
>>> Of course, no clips of Chuck Berry attempting:
>>>
>>> Monkey Man, Gimme Shelter, Wild Horses, Satisfaction, 19th Nervous
>>> Breakdown, Start Me Up, Brown Sugar, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Honky Tonk
>>> Women, ...
>>>
>>> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and talent
>>> that any comparison is laughable.
>
>> Dude calm down......
>> You seem to have anger management problems.
>
> ?
>
>> BTW Chuck Berry can play the skin off of Keith Richards.
>
> The student
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op1FhBmflgo
>
> The great master lol
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RAfxiyMKAk



Here's your master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQPHsONF_tE

And that shit was 33 years ago!

Awesome rhythm *and* lead guitarist.

On 3/27/2011 12:49 AM, An Old Friend wrote:

> One of the first questions for one student in my "Who Wants To Be A
> Millionaire" style quiz-show test is: "The earliest preserved sound comes
> from this year." The answers are chosen from A: 1835, B: 1860, C: 1890,
> and D: the most recent Rolling Stones album.
> .
> (The answer is B. 1860.) http://www.firstsounds.org/sounds/scott.php


Is that 7 mumbling to himself when he posts?

On 3/26/2011 10:53 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:


> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.


ha!

I saw them in '89, here in Atlanta.  It was really fun!

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> Here's your master:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQPHsONF_tE

> And that shit was 33 years ago!

> Awesome rhythm *and* lead guitarist.

Alex is a monster, no doubt.

Put your TV on Speed channel.  They're repeating the Australian F1
qualifying from last night right now.  Live race coverage starts
at 1:30am. 

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:53:08 -0400, flatfish+++ chiseled
mpnl19vlitye$.zatuoxkudk9r$.dlg@40tude.net in stone using Trajan:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:
> 
>> On 03/25/2011 05:20 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>>
>>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>>
>>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds. Nice piano work as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>>
>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>> 
>> 
>> There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker not
>> too long ago.
>> 
>> 
>> He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten
>> years in a row...then they figured...oh heck if he's still alive he'll
>> probably last for a while now
> 
> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.

One of the first questions for one student in my "Who Wants To Be A 
Millionaire" style quiz-show test is: "The earliest preserved sound comes 
from this year." The answers are chosen from A: 1835, B: 1860, C: 1890, 
and D: the most recent Rolling Stones album.
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(The answer is B. 1860.) http://www.firstsounds.org/sounds/scott.php

On 3/27/2011 12:14 AM, owl wrote:
> DFS<nospam@dfs.com>  wrote:
>
>> Here's your master:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQPHsONF_tE
>
>> And that shit was 33 years ago!
>
>> Awesome rhythm *and* lead guitarist.
>
> Alex is a monster, no doubt.

My favorite rock guitarist.




> Put your TV on Speed channel.

Is that an order?




> They're repeating the Australian F1
> qualifying from last night right now.  Live race coverage starts
> at 1:30am.

I'll check it out.  F1 racing is amazing - the acceleration and grip of 
those beasts is just incredible.  Love those in-car cameras.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:01:29 -0400, DFS wrote:


> I'll check it out.  F1 racing is amazing - the acceleration and grip of 
> those beasts is just incredible.  Love those in-car cameras.

Scares the hell out of me!
What's worse is auto cross where the spotter is telling the driver how
to drive the car.
Now THAT'S scary!

On 3/27/2011 1:04 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:01:29 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> I'll check it out.  F1 racing is amazing - the acceleration and grip of
>> those beasts is just incredible.  Love those in-car cameras.
>
> Scares the hell out of me!

Yep!  I get slightly sweaty palms (down Marti!) watching it.

On 03/26/2011 09:53 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:


<snip>
>>
>> There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker
>> not too long ago.
>>
>>
>> He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten
>> years in a row...then they figured...oh heck
>> if he's still alive he'll probably last for a while now
>
> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.


Another thing the article mentioned was that when the "Stones" go on a 
tour, they bring in 500 million USD.

Even after taxes, there's probably enough money left over for a 
gallstone operation!

On 03/26/2011 11:00 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 3/26/2011 10:53 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>
>> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
>
>
> ha!
>
> I saw them in '89, here in Atlanta. It was really fun!



They came to Milwaukee many years ago...
but I didn't go...
I probably should have...

On 03/26/2011 11:49 PM, An Old Friend wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:53:08 -0400, flatfish+++ chiseled
> mpnl19vlitye$.zatuoxkudk9r$.dlg@40tude.net in stone using Trajan:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/25/2011 05:20 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>>>
>>>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>>>
>>>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds. Nice piano work as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>>>
>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker not
>>> too long ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten
>>> years in a row...then they figured...oh heck if he's still alive he'll
>>> probably last for a while now
>>
>> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
>
> One of the first questions for one student in my "Who Wants To Be A
> Millionaire" style quiz-show test is: "The earliest preserved sound comes
> from this year." The answers are chosen from A: 1835, B: 1860, C: 1890,
> and D: the most recent Rolling Stones album.
> .
> .
> .


 From an interview with Mick Jagger that I recall from (perhaps) 30 
years ago...they asked what he perceived he'd be doing tTwenty years 
from now".

He replied that he did not have any idea what he'd be doing...
but he sure as hell would not be playing "Can't get no satisfaction"

Of course he still does and as Richards said in the recent interview
that it gets old at times.

I am sure for the money they get they can live with it

"philo" <philo@invalid.not> wrote in message 
news:imn9ad$sl5$1@dont-email.me...
> On 03/26/2011 11:49 PM, An Old Friend wrote:
>> .
>
>
> From an interview with Mick Jagger that I recall from (perhaps) 30 years 
> ago...they asked what he perceived he'd be doing tTwenty years from now".
>
> He replied that he did not have any idea what he'd be doing...
> but he sure as hell would not be playing "Can't get no satisfaction"
>
> Of course he still does and as Richards said in the recent interview
> that it gets old at times.
>
> I am sure for the money they get they can live with it
>

If playing and touring really "gets old at times" then I wonder why they 
don't just stop.

If they haven't made enough money by now to retire then they never will.

At this point after 40+ years if they're not doing it for the love of it - 
they're doing it for the wrong reason.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:15:07 +0000, Homer chiseled
b45268-ufo.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:

> Verily I say unto thee, that flatty trolled:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
>>> flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
> [...]
>>> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and
>>> talent that any comparison is laughable.
>>
>> Dude calm down......
>> You seem to have anger management problems.
> 
> Why are you so surprised? After all, you deliberately trolled to elicit
> that response, didn't you?
> 
> But neither of you are correct, IMHO.
> 
> Chuck Berry was (is) perhaps the single most important influence on
> music in his era, essentially creating the Rock and Roll genre, and thus
> spawning many different variations that form the basis of nearly all
> popular music we hear today.

I'd be really hard pressed to say that any ONE person "created" the rock 
and roll genre. It's not as clear cut as electronica, where one could 
plausibly say that Kraftwerk "created" the genre. (Of course, there was 
Walter/Wendy Carlos and Gershon Kingsley before Kraftwerk, so even then 
the lines are blurred.) Another relatively clear-cut "creator" is heavy 
metal: Even though the Beatles had "Helter Skelter" and the Kinks had 
their proto-metal tunes "All Day and All of the Night" and "You Really Got 
Me," it was Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath that put it all together.

There will always be debate over what song was the "first" rock song, but 
I feel my list of candidates is pretty solid:

Sister Rosetta Tharpe, "Strange Things Happening Every Day" (1944)
Goree Carter, "Rock Awhile" (1949)
The Dominoes, "Sixty Minute Man" (1950)
Jackie Brenston (actually Ike Turner), "Rocket 88" (1951)
Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton, "Hound Dog" (1952)
Ray Charles, "Mess Around" (1953)

> But exactly the same can be said of the Stones, and many others, in
> later years, and even Berry's style was merely an evolutionary step
> inspired by existing genres such as blue and country. Everyone plays
> their own part, albeit Berry's part was more significant than most.

The "Roots of Rock" era in music (post World War II, pre-"Rock around the 
Clock") is probably my favorite popular music era. So many things were 
happening and coalescing at the time, it makes the music so exciting.

> Berry and Richards are merely different, they have different playing
> styles and different approaches to music. Neither is better than the
> other. Richards' style is more sophisticated, Berry's is more
> rhythmical.  That's it.
> 
> But to dismiss Berry's contribution merely because of its lack of
> sophistication is a mistake. Apart from its very obvious influence on
> music, it had significant cultural impact, greatly helping the civil
> rights movement of the day in bridging the divide between black and
> white, rich and poor.

Not to minimize Berry's impact, but Elvis gave the rock and roll era its 
charismatic figurehead. He was central to defining the genre of early rock 
and roll (which would become "rockabilly") and making it a symbol of the 
younger generation and its rebellious attitudes. Stars such as James Dean 
were also influential, and it was the syncing of these influences that 
made the cultural impact of the rock era so profound.

Berry's signature guitar riff was lifted from Goree Carter's "Rock 
Awhile:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3FNLnFg6Ck

> And of course, in Richards own words, Berry is the
> very reason he got into music in the first place.

Indeed, many of the 1960s artists indicate the 1950s legends as reasons 
they got involved in music. Paul McCartney regularly credits Little 
Richard as one of his greatest influences.

> As for your silly and irrelevant comparisons to operating systems, it
> seems you have some "anger management" issues of your own to deal with.
> 
> About the only relevant comparison that can be made between operating
> systems and music, is the fact that, like music, the popular it is, the
> more sanitised it is for general consumption. That's great if you're a
> businessman, but not so much if you're a connoisseur.

Speaking of sanitizing: the #2 artist in the 1950s was Pat Boone.

On 03/27/2011 08:53 AM, Ezekiel wrote:
> "philo"<philo@invalid.not>  wrote in message
> news:imn9ad$sl5$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 03/26/2011 11:49 PM, An Old Friend wrote:
>>> .
>>
>>
>>  From an interview with Mick Jagger that I recall from (perhaps) 30 years
>> ago...they asked what he perceived he'd be doing tTwenty years from now".
>>
>> He replied that he did not have any idea what he'd be doing...
>> but he sure as hell would not be playing "Can't get no satisfaction"
>>
>> Of course he still does and as Richards said in the recent interview
>> that it gets old at times.
>>
>> I am sure for the money they get they can live with it
>>
>
> If playing and touring really "gets old at times" then I wonder why they
> don't just stop.
>
> If they haven't made enough money by now to retire then they never will.
>
> At this point after 40+ years if they're not doing it for the love of it -
> they're doing it for the wrong reason.
>
>
>


They are doing it simply because the love to perform...
there is nothing like a live audience cheering!

FWIW:I know how it feels as I am a (mostly retired) performance poet.

"philo" <philo@invalid.not> wrote in message 
news:imnk76$fdl$1@dont-email.me...
> On 03/27/2011 08:53 AM, Ezekiel wrote:
>> "philo"<philo@invalid.not>  wrote in message
>> news:imn9ad$sl5$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 03/26/2011 11:49 PM, An Old Friend wrote:
>>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>  From an interview with Mick Jagger that I recall from (perhaps) 30 
>>> years
>>> ago...they asked what he perceived he'd be doing tTwenty years from 
>>> now".
>>>
>>> He replied that he did not have any idea what he'd be doing...
>>> but he sure as hell would not be playing "Can't get no satisfaction"
>>>
>>> Of course he still does and as Richards said in the recent interview
>>> that it gets old at times.
>>>
>>> I am sure for the money they get they can live with it
>>>
>>
>> If playing and touring really "gets old at times" then I wonder why they
>> don't just stop.
>>
>> If they haven't made enough money by now to retire then they never will.
>>
>> At this point after 40+ years if they're not doing it for the love of 
>> it -
>> they're doing it for the wrong reason.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> They are doing it simply because the love to perform...
> there is nothing like a live audience cheering!
>

That's what I would expect. It's probably a balance between "we love the 
thrill of doing this" vs. "we're old and getting tired" vs. "gets old at 
times."  Coming up with the right tour lengths and the right number of dates 
is a balancing act that won't make everyone happy.



> FWIW:I know how it feels as I am a (mostly retired) performance poet.
>
I've never met a performance poet - was this a full-time job or a serious 
hobby?

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:02:42 -0500, philo wrote:

> On 03/26/2011 09:53 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:
> 
> 
> <snip>
>>>
>>> There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker
>>> not too long ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten
>>> years in a row...then they figured...oh heck
>>> if he's still alive he'll probably last for a while now
>>
>> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
> 
> 
> Another thing the article mentioned was that when the "Stones" go on a 
> tour, they bring in 500 million USD.
> 
> Even after taxes, there's probably enough money left over for a 
> gallstone operation!

I saw them in concert once. A long time ago.
Had a great time but couldn't hear much because we were down front and
the PA had flying towers which were mostly behind us so we got echos and
so forth. It was loud though!!

They are truly amazing to see live.
I hope I can hop around like that when I get old!

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:07:39 -0500, philo wrote:

> On 03/26/2011 11:49 PM, An Old Friend wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:53:08 -0400, flatfish+++ chiseled
>> mpnl19vlitye$.zatuoxkudk9r$.dlg@40tude.net in stone using Trajan:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/25/2011 05:20 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>>>>
>>>>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds. Nice piano work as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker not
>>>> too long ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten
>>>> years in a row...then they figured...oh heck if he's still alive he'll
>>>> probably last for a while now
>>>
>>> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
>>
>> One of the first questions for one student in my "Who Wants To Be A
>> Millionaire" style quiz-show test is: "The earliest preserved sound comes
>> from this year." The answers are chosen from A: 1835, B: 1860, C: 1890,
>> and D: the most recent Rolling Stones album.
>> .
>> .
>> .
> 
> 
>  From an interview with Mick Jagger that I recall from (perhaps) 30 
> years ago...they asked what he perceived he'd be doing tTwenty years 
> from now".
> 
> He replied that he did not have any idea what he'd be doing...
> but he sure as hell would not be playing "Can't get no satisfaction"
> 
> Of course he still does and as Richards said in the recent interview
> that it gets old at times.
> 
> I am sure for the money they get they can live with it

Yep....

I met Billy Joel and Christy Brinkly at a park here back in the late
80's. They were swinging their daughter, Alexa, on the swings and I just
walked over and started talking to them.

I asked him about "Just The Way You Are" and he told me that every time
he plays that tune he feels like he is back in a wedding band gigging.
He said the band refused to play it when he first wrote it.

The rest is history!

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:53:33 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "philo" <philo@invalid.not> wrote in message 
> news:imn9ad$sl5$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 03/26/2011 11:49 PM, An Old Friend wrote:
>>> .
>>
>>
>> From an interview with Mick Jagger that I recall from (perhaps) 30 years 
>> ago...they asked what he perceived he'd be doing tTwenty years from now".
>>
>> He replied that he did not have any idea what he'd be doing...
>> but he sure as hell would not be playing "Can't get no satisfaction"
>>
>> Of course he still does and as Richards said in the recent interview
>> that it gets old at times.
>>
>> I am sure for the money they get they can live with it
>>
> 
> If playing and touring really "gets old at times" then I wonder why they 
> don't just stop.
> 
> If they haven't made enough money by now to retire then they never will.
> 
> At this point after 40+ years if they're not doing it for the love of it - 
> they're doing it for the wrong reason.

They are doing it for the rush....
They have more money than they could ever spend.

On 27 Mar 2011 15:50:43 +0100, An Old Friend wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:15:07 +0000, Homer chiseled
> b45268-ufo.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:
> 
>> Verily I say unto thee, that flatty trolled:
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:22:21 +0000 (UTC), owl wrote:
>>>> flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>> [...]
>>>> Keith Richards is so far beyond Chuck Berry in both creativity and
>>>> talent that any comparison is laughable.
>>>
>>> Dude calm down......
>>> You seem to have anger management problems.
>> 
>> Why are you so surprised? After all, you deliberately trolled to elicit
>> that response, didn't you?
>> 
>> But neither of you are correct, IMHO.
>> 
>> Chuck Berry was (is) perhaps the single most important influence on
>> music in his era, essentially creating the Rock and Roll genre, and thus
>> spawning many different variations that form the basis of nearly all
>> popular music we hear today.
> 
> I'd be really hard pressed to say that any ONE person "created" the rock 
> and roll genre. It's not as clear cut as electronica, where one could 
> plausibly say that Kraftwerk "created" the genre. (Of course, there was 
> Walter/Wendy Carlos and Gershon Kingsley before Kraftwerk, so even then 
> the lines are blurred.) Another relatively clear-cut "creator" is heavy 
> metal: Even though the Beatles had "Helter Skelter" and the Kinks had 
> their proto-metal tunes "All Day and All of the Night" and "You Really Got 
> Me," it was Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath that put it all together.
> 
> There will always be debate over what song was the "first" rock song, but 
> I feel my list of candidates is pretty solid:
> 
> Sister Rosetta Tharpe, "Strange Things Happening Every Day" (1944)
> Goree Carter, "Rock Awhile" (1949)
> The Dominoes, "Sixty Minute Man" (1950)
> Jackie Brenston (actually Ike Turner), "Rocket 88" (1951)
> Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton, "Hound Dog" (1952)
> Ray Charles, "Mess Around" (1953)
> 
>> But exactly the same can be said of the Stones, and many others, in
>> later years, and even Berry's style was merely an evolutionary step
>> inspired by existing genres such as blue and country. Everyone plays
>> their own part, albeit Berry's part was more significant than most.
> 
> The "Roots of Rock" era in music (post World War II, pre-"Rock around the 
> Clock") is probably my favorite popular music era. So many things were 
> happening and coalescing at the time, it makes the music so exciting.
> 
>> Berry and Richards are merely different, they have different playing
>> styles and different approaches to music. Neither is better than the
>> other. Richards' style is more sophisticated, Berry's is more
>> rhythmical.  That's it.
>> 
>> But to dismiss Berry's contribution merely because of its lack of
>> sophistication is a mistake. Apart from its very obvious influence on
>> music, it had significant cultural impact, greatly helping the civil
>> rights movement of the day in bridging the divide between black and
>> white, rich and poor.
> 
> Not to minimize Berry's impact, but Elvis gave the rock and roll era its 
> charismatic figurehead. He was central to defining the genre of early rock 
> and roll (which would become "rockabilly") and making it a symbol of the 
> younger generation and its rebellious attitudes. Stars such as James Dean 
> were also influential, and it was the syncing of these influences that 
> made the cultural impact of the rock era so profound.
> 
> Berry's signature guitar riff was lifted from Goree Carter's "Rock 
> Awhile:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3FNLnFg6Ck
> 
>> And of course, in Richards own words, Berry is the
>> very reason he got into music in the first place.
> 
> Indeed, many of the 1960s artists indicate the 1950s legends as reasons 
> they got involved in music. Paul McCartney regularly credits Little 
> Richard as one of his greatest influences.
> 
>> As for your silly and irrelevant comparisons to operating systems, it
>> seems you have some "anger management" issues of your own to deal with.
>> 
>> About the only relevant comparison that can be made between operating
>> systems and music, is the fact that, like music, the popular it is, the
>> more sanitised it is for general consumption. That's great if you're a
>> businessman, but not so much if you're a connoisseur.
> 
> Speaking of sanitizing: the #2 artist in the 1950s was Pat Boone.

Nice post!
Pretty much what I was taught about R&R.

Kids today don't even know what R&R actually means.
Hint, there was a reason our parents hated R&R  :)

Pat Boone...
Now there is a no talent if ever there was one.

If anything pushed R&R toward overwhelming it was the "pop" songs of the 
50's.

They were riding on the tails of the great big band era, but they 
weren;t big band tunes.
TV killed the big bands for the most part.
Who wants to watch 30 minutes of a band sitting there?

Getting back to the pop tunes...
They were mostly syrupy, nauseating awful stuff like Pat Boone, Doris 
Day, Don Cornell (I actually met that clown once)and so forth. 

This slop continued up till about the time the Beatles arrived and then 
happily died a quick death.

Thank God for Sinatra and the rat pack for keeping the jazz/big band 
genre rolling.

No wonder the kids revolted.

Electronic music is as you say pretty well documented.
Switched on Bach is still one of my favorite albums.

I was more into jazz rock, like Chicago, Blood Sweat and Tears and so 
forth.
Best concert I ever attended was Earth Wind and Fire and as a teenager I 
got to see just about all of them at Madison Square Garden because a 
friend of mine's father was "connected". Don't ask. I didn't either :)

Sadly, today's music is mostly garbage.
Torch song girls talking about how their man did them wrong.
And pretty much noise.

A few stand out. Amy Winehouse as long as she remains alive, Sugarland 
and some others I can't think of now.

On 03/27/2011 12:19 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:53:33 -
>>> I am sure for the money they get they can live with it
>>>
>>
>> If playing and touring really "gets old at times" then I wonder why they
>> don't just stop.
>>
>> If they haven't made enough money by now to retire then they never will.
>>
>> At this point after 40+ years if they're not doing it for the love of it -
>> they're doing it for the wrong reason.
>
> They are doing it for the rush....
> They have more money than they could ever spend.



They don't know my friend Ricky

he won $20,000 playing Keno...
by the time I got there to help him celebrate he had spent it all
and needed to borrow $1,000 from me.


Yes, he did pay me back

On 03/27/2011 12:19 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:07:39 -0500, philo wrote:
>
>> On 03/26/2011 11:49 PM, An Old Friend wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:53:08 -0400, flatfish+++ chiseled
>>> mpnl19vlitye$.zatuoxkudk9r$.dlg@40tude.net in stone using Trajan:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/25/2011 05:20 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>>>> Notice Keith plays it wrong even after the lesson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (He starts the slur on the lower instead of the upper)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also notice how much nicer Chuck's guitar sounds. Nice piano work as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith = Linux = defective
>>>>>> Chuck = Windows = The Real Thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a good interview with Keith Richards in the New Yorker not
>>>>> too long ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He made the "Rock musician most likely to be found dead" list for ten
>>>>> years in a row...then they figured...oh heck if he's still alive he'll
>>>>> probably last for a while now
>>>>
>>>> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
>>>
>>> One of the first questions for one student in my "Who Wants To Be A
>>> Millionaire" style quiz-show test is: "The earliest preserved sound comes
>>> from this year." The answers are chosen from A: 1835, B: 1860, C: 1890,
>>> and D: the most recent Rolling Stones album.
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>
> I met Billy Joel and Christy Brinkly at a park here back in the late
> 80's. They were swinging their daughter, Alexa, on the swings and I just
> walked over and started talking to them.
>
> I asked him about "Just The Way You Are" and he told me that every time
> he plays that tune he feels like he is back in a wedding band gigging.
> He said the band refused to play it when he first wrote it.
>
> The rest is history!

Yeah, I never cared for that one...
but I did learn to play "Piano Man"

Of course I have not played in years

On 03/27/2011 12:15 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:02:42 -0500, philo wrote:
>
>> On 03/26/2011 09:53 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:
>>
>>all the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
>>
>>
>> Another thing the article mentioned was that when the "Stones" go on a
>> tour, they bring in 500 million USD.
>>
>> Even after taxes, there's probably enough money left over for a
>> gallstone operation!
>
> I saw them in concert once. A long time ago.
> Had a great time but couldn't hear much because we were down front and
> the PA had flying towers which were mostly behind us so we got echos and
> so forth. It was loud though!!
>
> They are truly amazing to see live.
> I hope I can hop around like that when I get old!


One reason I did not go was because they played in our baseball stadium 
and figured I'd probably not be able to see much

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:34:33 -0500, philo wrote:

> On 03/27/2011 12:19 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:53:33 -
>>>> I am sure for the money they get they can live with it
>>>>
>>>
>>> If playing and touring really "gets old at times" then I wonder why they
>>> don't just stop.
>>>
>>> If they haven't made enough money by now to retire then they never will.
>>>
>>> At this point after 40+ years if they're not doing it for the love of it -
>>> they're doing it for the wrong reason.
>>
>> They are doing it for the rush....
>> They have more money than they could ever spend.
> 
> 
> 
> They don't know my friend Ricky
> 
> he won $20,000 playing Keno...
> by the time I got there to help him celebrate he had spent it all
> and needed to borrow $1,000 from me.
> 
> 
> Yes, he did pay me back

Ouch....
Sounds like something HPT would do.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:37:24 -0500, philo wrote:

> On 03/27/2011 12:15 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:02:42 -0500, philo wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/26/2011 09:53 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:01:35 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>
>>>all the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
>>>
>>>
>>> Another thing the article mentioned was that when the "Stones" go on a
>>> tour, they bring in 500 million USD.
>>>
>>> Even after taxes, there's probably enough money left over for a
>>> gallstone operation!
>>
>> I saw them in concert once. A long time ago.
>> Had a great time but couldn't hear much because we were down front and
>> the PA had flying towers which were mostly behind us so we got echos and
>> so forth. It was loud though!!
>>
>> They are truly amazing to see live.
>> I hope I can hop around like that when I get old!
> 
> 
> One reason I did not go was because they played in our baseball stadium 
> and figured I'd probably not be able to see much

How true.
I saw Billy Joel at Shea Stadium and it sucked.

Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:15:07 +0000, Homer chiseled
> b45268-ufo.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:

>> Chuck Berry was (is) perhaps the single most important influence on
>> music in his era, essentially creating the Rock and Roll genre, and
>> thus spawning many different variations that form the basis of nearly
>> all popular music we hear today.
>
> I'd be really hard pressed to say that any ONE person "created" the
> rock and roll genre.

I mean in terms of being one of the earliest and most popular artists of
the genre, rather than being its "inventor".

>> But to dismiss Berry's contribution merely because of its lack of
>> sophistication is a mistake. Apart from its very obvious influence on
>> music, it had significant cultural impact, greatly helping the civil
>> rights movement of the day in bridging the divide between black and
>> white, rich and poor.
>
> Not to minimize Berry's impact, but Elvis gave the rock and roll era
> its charismatic figurehead. He was central to defining the genre of
> early rock and roll (which would become "rockabilly") and making it a
> symbol of the younger generation and its rebellious attitudes.

Elvis' contribution was significant too, of course, and he was
ultimately far more successful. He and Berry (and many others) were all
part of the same movement that gradually became mainstream Rock and
Roll. But the difference is Elvis was a white man (technically part
Indian) playing to a mostly white, middle-class audience. Berry OTOH was
quite a culture shock, since it was rare for any black person to hold a
position of significant cultural influence, especially one which
permeated the traditional white middle-classes (mostly via teenagers).

> Berry's signature guitar riff was lifted from Goree Carter's "Rock 
> Awhile:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3FNLnFg6Ck

Yes, and his first hit, "Maybellene", was based on an old country song
called "Ida Red":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OMFTxPbtg

Nothing is ever completely original, all creations only exist as a
result of accretion (one of the reasons I'm so opposed to "IP"). But
Berry was the right guy in the right place at the right time, and is
perhaps the earliest significant contributor that brought Rock and Roll
to the masses. There were more successful artists like Elvis, and
earlier artists like Goree Carter, but none that promoted the general
popularity of the genre as early and significantly as Berry.

> Speaking of sanitizing: the #2 artist in the 1950s was Pat Boone.

There was a time when even Boone's style of music was considered vulgar,
to certain classes. But this is how music affects culture, by slowly
filtering through to the mainstream, gradually changing the balance of
norms. Music is a great leveller.

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On 2011-03-27, An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> wrote:
> Me," it was Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath that put it all together.
>
> There will always be debate over what song was the "first" rock song, but 
> I feel my list of candidates is pretty solid:
>
> Sister Rosetta Tharpe, "Strange Things Happening Every Day" (1944)
> Goree Carter, "Rock Awhile" (1949)
> The Dominoes, "Sixty Minute Man" (1950)
> Jackie Brenston (actually Ike Turner), "Rocket 88" (1951)
> Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton, "Hound Dog" (1952)
> Ray Charles, "Mess Around" (1953)

I'd go even earlier with Huddie Ledbetter's 1939 version of "Black Betty".

My favourite version is by Australian band Spiderbait...(2004).

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On 27 Mar 2011 20:22:34 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> On 2011-03-27, An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Me," it was Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath that put it all together.
>>
>> There will always be debate over what song was the "first" rock song, but 
>> I feel my list of candidates is pretty solid:
>>
>> Sister Rosetta Tharpe, "Strange Things Happening Every Day" (1944)
>> Goree Carter, "Rock Awhile" (1949)
>> The Dominoes, "Sixty Minute Man" (1950)
>> Jackie Brenston (actually Ike Turner), "Rocket 88" (1951)
>> Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton, "Hound Dog" (1952)
>> Ray Charles, "Mess Around" (1953)
> 
> I'd go even earlier with Huddie Ledbetter's 1939 version of "Black Betty".

That's an excellent tune....!!!
Best version too.

> My favourite version is by Australian band Spiderbait...(2004).

Good name for an Australian band.
Place is full of those 8 legged freaks.
The spiders, not the band :)

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:43:03 +0100, Homer chiseled
7jg468-4t6.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:

> Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:15:07 +0000, Homer chiseled
>> b45268-ufo.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:
> 
>>> Chuck Berry was (is) perhaps the single most important influence on
>>> music in his era, essentially creating the Rock and Roll genre, and
>>> thus spawning many different variations that form the basis of nearly
>>> all popular music we hear today.
>>
>> I'd be really hard pressed to say that any ONE person "created" the
>> rock and roll genre.
> 
> I mean in terms of being one of the earliest and most popular artists of
> the genre, rather than being its "inventor".

I understand what you're saying now. Sorry for the confusion.

> 
>>> But to dismiss Berry's contribution merely because of its lack of
>>> sophistication is a mistake. Apart from its very obvious influence on
>>> music, it had significant cultural impact, greatly helping the civil
>>> rights movement of the day in bridging the divide between black and
>>> white, rich and poor.
>>
>> Not to minimize Berry's impact, but Elvis gave the rock and roll era
>> its charismatic figurehead. He was central to defining the genre of
>> early rock and roll (which would become "rockabilly") and making it a
>> symbol of the younger generation and its rebellious attitudes.
> 
> Elvis' contribution was significant too, of course, and he was
> ultimately far more successful. He and Berry (and many others) were all
> part of the same movement that gradually became mainstream Rock and
> Roll. But the difference is Elvis was a white man (technically part
> Indian) playing to a mostly white, middle-class audience. Berry OTOH was
> quite a culture shock, since it was rare for any black person to hold a
> position of significant cultural influence, especially one which
> permeated the traditional white middle-classes (mostly via teenagers).

Louis Jordan had done so in the 1940s. He was known in his day as "King of 
the Jukebox." "Saturday Night Fish Fry" is one of my favorite songs from 
that era. Other popular tunes from Jordan that crossed the color line are 
"Open the Door, Richard" and "Choo Choo Ch'Boogie" (not to be confused 
with "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" from Glenn Miller and Tex Benecke).

And of course, Louis Armstrong has cross-cultural appeal.

It's possible Little Richard may have been more of a culture shock than 
Chuck Berry, but that doesn't diminish Berry's impact or influence.

>> Berry's signature guitar riff was lifted from Goree Carter's "Rock
>> Awhile:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3FNLnFg6Ck
> 
> Yes, and his first hit, "Maybellene", was based on an old country song
> called "Ida Red":
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OMFTxPbtg
> 
> Nothing is ever completely original, all creations only exist as a
> result of accretion (one of the reasons I'm so opposed to "IP").

Blues-based tunes, in particular lifted from each other ... that's what 
helped define the style. Thank goodness Congress didn't allow chord 
progressions to be copyrighted. If they had, so many of those bebop tunes 
of Parker and Gillespie would be infringing.

> But
> Berry was the right guy in the right place at the right time, and is
> perhaps the earliest significant contributor that brought Rock and Roll
> to the masses. There were more successful artists like Elvis, and
> earlier artists like Goree Carter, but none that promoted the general
> popularity of the genre as early and significantly as Berry.
> 
>> Speaking of sanitizing: the #2 artist in the 1950s was Pat Boone.
> 
> There was a time when even Boone's style of music was considered vulgar,
> to certain classes. But this is how music affects culture, by slowly
> filtering through to the mainstream, gradually changing the balance of
> norms. Music is a great leveller.

I still find it amazing that some people thought the Beatles were "noise" 
even though they were playing good covers of Broadway music! ("Till There 
Was You")

We'll agree to disagree about Chuck Berry. I'm certainly not saying that 
he wasn't significant--he most certainly was. But my research points to 
Elvis as being more significant.

Have you ever listened to Elvis' inspiration for his cover of Hound Dog? 
It wasn't Big Mama Thornton, but Freddie Bell. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQ-fDb4M4s

I still think Big Mama's version is the best of the bunch.

Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:
> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:43:03 +0100, Homer chiseled
> 7jg468-4t6.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:

>> Elvis' contribution was significant too, of course, and he was
>> ultimately far more successful. He and Berry (and many others) were
>> all part of the same movement that gradually became mainstream Rock
>> and Roll. But the difference is Elvis was a white man (technically
>> part Indian) playing to a mostly white, middle-class audience. Berry
>> OTOH was quite a culture shock, since it was rare for any black
>> person to hold a position of significant cultural influence,
>> especially one which permeated the traditional white middle-classes
>> (mostly via teenagers).
>
> Louis Jordan had done so in the 1940s. He was known in his day as
> "King of the Jukebox." "Saturday Night Fish Fry" is one of my favorite
> songs from that era. Other popular tunes from Jordan that crossed the
> color line are "Open the Door, Richard" and "Choo Choo Ch'Boogie" (not
> to be confused with "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" from Glenn Miller and Tex
> Benecke).
>
> And of course, Louis Armstrong has cross-cultural appeal.
>
> It's possible Little Richard may have been more of a culture shock
> than Chuck Berry, but that doesn't diminish Berry's impact or
> influence.

Well WRT to bridging cultural divides, again Berry wasn't the first
musician in all history to do this, but he was one of the most
significant of his era. It was a step-change, if you will. In later
decades the likes of Jimi Hendrix had perhaps an even more significant
influence, helped in no small part by cross-cultural support for the
anti-war movement.

> Have you ever listened to Elvis' inspiration for his cover of Hound
> Dog?  It wasn't Big Mama Thornton, but Freddie Bell. 

No, I didn't know that, but then I've never really been much of an Elvis
fan, despite having to listen to him constantly throughout my childhood
(or perhaps because of that fact). Occasionally I got a break in the
form of Patsy Cline or Jim Reeves. Oddly enough, I hated country music
for years after that, and it was only once country crossover artists
like Shania Twain became popular that I began having an appreciation for
it.

I inherited a collection of Elvis albums and singles, including 78s,
which AFAICT are all UK first editions, and a big box of quarter inch
open reel tapes of Elvis (and other) radio broadcasts from the 50s, 60s
and 70s. I don't listen to any of it, but I'm loath to part with it for
sentimental reasons (my parents, not the music).

The first song I ever heard (according to my parents), and the first I
can remember, is Roger Miller's "King of the Road", which turned out to
be rather prophetic for me, in many ways. Other music I remember from my
early childhood includes the Carpenters, the Commodores, and a host of
"easy listening" one-hit-wonders that I've long forgotten. My musical
tastes turned out to be radically different from my parents', but then
isn't that always the way of things?

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:21:30 +0100, Homer chiseled
at0568-0ab.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:

> Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:43:03 +0100, Homer chiseled
>> 7jg468-4t6.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:
> 
>>> Elvis' contribution was significant too, of course, and he was
>>> ultimately far more successful. He and Berry (and many others) were
>>> all part of the same movement that gradually became mainstream Rock
>>> and Roll. But the difference is Elvis was a white man (technically
>>> part Indian) playing to a mostly white, middle-class audience. Berry
>>> OTOH was quite a culture shock, since it was rare for any black person
>>> to hold a position of significant cultural influence, especially one
>>> which permeated the traditional white middle-classes (mostly via
>>> teenagers).
>>
>> Louis Jordan had done so in the 1940s. He was known in his day as "King
>> of the Jukebox." "Saturday Night Fish Fry" is one of my favorite songs
>> from that era. Other popular tunes from Jordan that crossed the color
>> line are "Open the Door, Richard" and "Choo Choo Ch'Boogie" (not to be
>> confused with "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" from Glenn Miller and Tex
>> Benecke).
>>
>> And of course, Louis Armstrong has cross-cultural appeal.
>>
>> It's possible Little Richard may have been more of a culture shock than
>> Chuck Berry, but that doesn't diminish Berry's impact or influence.
> 
> Well WRT to bridging cultural divides, again Berry wasn't the first
> musician in all history to do this, but he was one of the most
> significant of his era. It was a step-change, if you will. In later
> decades the likes of Jimi Hendrix had perhaps an even more significant
> influence, helped in no small part by cross-cultural support for the
> anti-war movement.

I can definitely agree with you there.

>> Have you ever listened to Elvis' inspiration for his cover of Hound
>> Dog?  It wasn't Big Mama Thornton, but Freddie Bell.
> 
> No, I didn't know that, but then I've never really been much of an Elvis
> fan, despite having to listen to him constantly throughout my childhood
> (or perhaps because of that fact). 

*grin* I know what you mean. I don't have Elvis shrines and take 
pilgrimages to Graceland, but I do respect what the man did. I think that 
because I am so familiar with Presley's "Hound Dog," I find the others 
more appealing. Especially Big Mama's because hers was the first version, 
and that naturally gives it a head start in influencing other versions. 
Take a listen to Freddie's version: it has a honking sax solo that's right 
up there with other 50s sax breaks, if not better.

> Occasionally I got a break in the
> form of Patsy Cline or Jim Reeves. Oddly enough, I hated country music
> for years after that, and it was only once country crossover artists
> like Shania Twain became popular that I began having an appreciation for
> it.

I grew up during the "Countrypolitan" era of the 1970s and early 80s: 
Kenny Rogers, B.J. Thomas, Dolly Parton, Crystal Gayle, Olivia Newton-
John, etc. and wasn't too fond of a lot of the music at the time, although 
now I know that there were some great songs written in that style. ("The 
Gambler," for one.)

It was a while before I started listening to cylinders and acoustic-
recorded 78s of country music to get back to its roots and have a better 
appreciation of it today.

What happened when rap came out was a de-facto segregation of music after 
the integration that took place from rock to funk to disco ... and white 
audiences began to listen more and more to country music as it took on 
more rock and pop elements, as black audiences flocked to their new music 
style.

> I inherited a collection of Elvis albums and singles, including 78s,
> which AFAICT are all UK first editions, and a big box of quarter inch
> open reel tapes of Elvis (and other) radio broadcasts from the 50s, 60s
> and 70s. I don't listen to any of it, but I'm loath to part with it for
> sentimental reasons (my parents, not the music).

Hang on to them, and treasure them. You probably should take the time to 
transfer the audio digitally when you get the time.

> The first song I ever heard (according to my parents), and the first I
> can remember, is Roger Miller's "King of the Road", which turned out to
> be rather prophetic for me, in many ways. Other music I remember from my
> early childhood includes the Carpenters, the Commodores, and a host of
> "easy listening" one-hit-wonders that I've long forgotten. My musical
> tastes turned out to be radically different from my parents', but then
> isn't that always the way of things?

The first song my parents told me I liked was "ABC" by the Jackson Five. 
The first song I remember hearing on the radio was "50 Ways to Leave Your 
Lover" by Paul Simon. My folks were into the MOR easy-listening adult 
contemporary of the 70s, which included staples from the 50s and 60s. 
"Theme from A Summer Place" and such.

I loved Big Band music as a kid, and the story behind that is one for 
another time. So my tastes ended up similar to my parents, but broader, 
because I could accept the music I was growing up with, too, like AC/DC, 
which my parents couldn't accept.

It was like that back in the 1700s, too. Bach's kids called their dad "the 
old wig" and sometimes made fun of the fact that Dad couldn't "change with 
the times."

An Old Friend stated in post 4d8fdc60@news.x-privat.org on 3/27/11 6:54 PM:

>> The first song I ever heard (according to my parents), and the first I
>> can remember, is Roger Miller's "King of the Road", which turned out to
>> be rather prophetic for me, in many ways. Other music I remember from my
>> early childhood includes the Carpenters, the Commodores, and a host of
>> "easy listening" one-hit-wonders that I've long forgotten. My musical
>> tastes turned out to be radically different from my parents', but then
>> isn't that always the way of things?
> 
> The first song my parents told me I liked was "ABC" by the Jackson Five.
> The first song I remember hearing on the radio was "50 Ways to Leave Your
> Lover" by Paul Simon. My folks were into the MOR easy-listening adult
> contemporary of the 70s, which included staples from the 50s and 60s.
> "Theme from A Summer Place" and such.
> 
> I loved Big Band music as a kid, and the story behind that is one for
> another time. So my tastes ended up similar to my parents, but broader,
> because I could accept the music I was growing up with, too, like AC/DC,
> which my parents couldn't accept.
> 
> It was like that back in the 1700s, too. Bach's kids called their dad "the
> old wig" and sometimes made fun of the fact that Dad couldn't "change with
> the times."

Ah, Bach to the good ol' days.  :)


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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:07:16 -0700, Snit chiseled
C9B52D54.93646%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com in stone using Trajan:

> An Old Friend stated in post 4d8fdc60@news.x-privat.org on 3/27/11 6:54
> PM:
> 
>>> The first song I ever heard (according to my parents), and the first I
>>> can remember, is Roger Miller's "King of the Road", which turned out
>>> to be rather prophetic for me, in many ways. Other music I remember
>>> from my early childhood includes the Carpenters, the Commodores, and a
>>> host of "easy listening" one-hit-wonders that I've long forgotten. My
>>> musical tastes turned out to be radically different from my parents',
>>> but then isn't that always the way of things?
>> 
>> The first song my parents told me I liked was "ABC" by the Jackson
>> Five. The first song I remember hearing on the radio was "50 Ways to
>> Leave Your Lover" by Paul Simon. My folks were into the MOR
>> easy-listening adult contemporary of the 70s, which included staples
>> from the 50s and 60s. "Theme from A Summer Place" and such.
>> 
>> I loved Big Band music as a kid, and the story behind that is one for
>> another time. So my tastes ended up similar to my parents, but broader,
>> because I could accept the music I was growing up with, too, like
>> AC/DC, which my parents couldn't accept.
>> 
>> It was like that back in the 1700s, too. Bach's kids called their dad
>> "the old wig" and sometimes made fun of the fact that Dad couldn't
>> "change with the times."
> 
> Ah, Bach to the good ol' days.  :)

You've been hiding a Liszt of all your composer puns, and you finally got 
a chance to Handel things properly. ;P

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:21:30 +0100, Homer wrote:


> The first song I ever heard (according to my parents), and the first I
> can remember, is Roger Miller's "King of the Road", which turned out to
> be rather prophetic for me, in many ways. 

Yea.
I can see that.

This line sure turned out to be prophetic:

"I smoke old stogies I have found"

-----King Of The Road-------

"Trailers for sale or rent
Rooms to let...fifty cents.
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain't got no cigarettes
Ah, but..two hours of pushin' broom
Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
I'm a man of means by no means
King of the road.

Third boxcar, midnight train
Destination...Bangor, Maine.
Old worn out suits and shoes,
I don't pay no union dues,
I smoke old stogies I have found
Short, but not too big around
I'm a man of means by no means
King of the road.

I know every engineer on every train
All of their children, and all of their names
And every handout in every town
And every lock that ain't locked
When no one's around.

I sing,
Trailers for sale or rent
Rooms to let, fifty cents
No phone, no pool, no pets
I ain't got no cigarettes
Ah, but, two hours of pushin' broom
Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
I'm a man of means by no means
King of the road."

An Old Friend stated in post 4d8fe23d@news.x-privat.org on 3/27/11 7:19 PM:

> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:07:16 -0700, Snit chiseled
> C9B52D54.93646%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com in stone using Trajan:
> 
>> An Old Friend stated in post 4d8fdc60@news.x-privat.org on 3/27/11 6:54
>> PM:
>> 
>>>> The first song I ever heard (according to my parents), and the first I
>>>> can remember, is Roger Miller's "King of the Road", which turned out
>>>> to be rather prophetic for me, in many ways. Other music I remember
>>>> from my early childhood includes the Carpenters, the Commodores, and a
>>>> host of "easy listening" one-hit-wonders that I've long forgotten. My
>>>> musical tastes turned out to be radically different from my parents',
>>>> but then isn't that always the way of things?
>>> 
>>> The first song my parents told me I liked was "ABC" by the Jackson
>>> Five. The first song I remember hearing on the radio was "50 Ways to
>>> Leave Your Lover" by Paul Simon. My folks were into the MOR
>>> easy-listening adult contemporary of the 70s, which included staples
>>> from the 50s and 60s. "Theme from A Summer Place" and such.
>>> 
>>> I loved Big Band music as a kid, and the story behind that is one for
>>> another time. So my tastes ended up similar to my parents, but broader,
>>> because I could accept the music I was growing up with, too, like
>>> AC/DC, which my parents couldn't accept.
>>> 
>>> It was like that back in the 1700s, too. Bach's kids called their dad
>>> "the old wig" and sometimes made fun of the fact that Dad couldn't
>>> "change with the times."
>> 
>> Ah, Bach to the good ol' days.  :)
> 
> You've been hiding a Liszt of all your composer puns, and you finally got
> a chance to Handel things properly. ;P

Yes, I have been Haydn them.  :)

I am going to be shocked if you have not heard this one, but did you hear
they dug up Beethoven's body and he was furiously erasing all of his work?
They asked him why - and he said he was decomposing.

Yeah, I know, if I was a comedian I would go Baroque.


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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:03:41 -0500, philo chiseled
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> On 03/26/2011 11:00 PM, DFS wrote:
>> On 3/26/2011 10:53 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>>
>>
>>> They call the Rolling Stones Tour, the Rolling "Gallstones" tour.
>>
>>
>> ha!
>>
>> I saw them in '89, here in Atlanta. It was really fun!
> 
> 
> 
> They came to Milwaukee many years ago... but I didn't go...
> I probably should have...

The best pop concert I ever attended was Paul McCartney at Williams-Brice 
Stadium in Columbia, SC in the early-mid 90s. Exceptional show.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:12:53 +0200, Marti Van Lin chiseled
imm6f6$7i3$1@news.albasani.net in stone using Trajan:

> On 27-03-11 00:35, Hardon wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:11:09 +0100, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>
>>> On 26-03-11 16:33, Hardon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
>>>
>>> Whatever, he's a great guitarist and IMO the Stones made quite a lot
>>> of cool songs. I especially love their "Steel Wheels" album.
>>
>> It was meant to be humour hence the smiley. Perhaps you are too young
>> to remember Chuck Berry's 'My Ding a Ling'. If you do remember it then
>> I can't explain why you missed the joke. :-)
> 
> Oh well, my apologies, I didn't get the joke. I was born in 1961 and
> thus Chuck Berry was "before my time".

"My Ding-A-Ling" was his only #1 hit (not counting the R&B charts), and 
that was in 1972. Some of the member of Average White Band played on the 
single. Lots of radio stations refused to play the song, so you may not 
have heard it if you were listening to the radio at 10-11 years old.

It's a shame that for all his contributions, his only #1 was a novelty 
piece. I'm sure he's not worried, though. He's still performing, from 
what I understand. It would be cool to see him.

owl wrote:

>DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's your master:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQPHsONF_tE
>
>> And that shit was 33 years ago!
>
>> Awesome rhythm *and* lead guitarist.
>
>Alex is a monster, no doubt.
>
>Put your TV on Speed channel.  They're repeating the Australian F1
>qualifying from last night right now.  Live race coverage starts
>at 1:30am. 

Having fun chit-chatting with those insulting assholes, "owl"?

philo wrote:

>On 03/27/2011 12:15 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:

And another one.

"Yeah, I'll have a friendly discussion with the lying POS Flatfish."

On 28-03-11 14:50, An Old Friend wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 04:12:53 +0200, Marti Van Lin chiseled
> imm6f6$7i3$1@news.albasani.net in stone using Trajan:
>
>> On 27-03-11 00:35, Hardon wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:11:09 +0100, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26-03-11 16:33, Hardon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, but did Keith play with his ding a ling? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Whatever, he's a great guitarist and IMO the Stones made quite a lot
>>>> of cool songs. I especially love their "Steel Wheels" album.
>>>
>>> It was meant to be humour hence the smiley. Perhaps you are too young
>>> to remember Chuck Berry's 'My Ding a Ling'. If you do remember it then
>>> I can't explain why you missed the joke. :-)
>>
>> Oh well, my apologies, I didn't get the joke. I was born in 1961 and
>> thus Chuck Berry was "before my time".
>
> "My Ding-A-Ling" was his only #1 hit (not counting the R&B charts), and
> that was in 1972. Some of the member of Average White Band played on the
> single. Lots of radio stations refused to play the song, so you may not
> have heard it if you were listening to the radio at 10-11 years old.
>
> It's a shame that for all his contributions, his only #1 was a novelty
> piece. I'm sure he's not worried, though. He's still performing, from
> what I understand. It would be cool to see him.

Thanks for the clarification.

1972 where for me the heydays of Middle Of The Road, The Sweet, Slade 
and Alice Cooper.

I just watched a couple of versions of Berry's Ding-A-Ling and indeed I 
never heard that song before and even if I did, I probably ignored it.

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stupid asshole "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:h9v0p6hg9ipla2fhocu0isb0ap3mh6s0qf@4ax.com...
> philo wrote:
>
>>On 03/27/2011 12:15 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>
> And another one.
>
> "Yeah, I'll have a friendly discussion with the lying POS Flatfish."
>

another fine advocacy post from the stupid turd.

"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a piece of shit.

Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:

> I loved Big Band music as a kid, and the story behind that is one for
> another time. So my tastes ended up similar to my parents, but
> broader, because I could accept the music I was growing up with, too,
> like AC/DC, which my parents couldn't accept.
>
> It was like that back in the 1700s, too. Bach's kids called their dad
> "the old wig" and sometimes made fun of the fact that Dad couldn't
> "change with the times."

My first taste of symphony music (outside school - which was always just
"class work", and didn't seem to count for some reason) was the rather
cheesy "Hooked on Classics", which attempted to bring orchestral music
to the masses via the genre of disco. This was also around the time Alan
Parker released "Fame", which contained similar elements in its
soundtrack, and a lead character obsessed with remixing classical music
on his hugely expensive equipment - a highly modular, analogue affair,
typical of the era (Mini Moog et al, IIRC).

I wasn't much impressed by the classical style (although I liked the
film itself - Parker is a genius IMHO), but it did at least inspire me
to eventually buy a keyboard and try for myself. I had my heart set on a
Roland System 100, but by the time I finally got motivated enough to buy
one they were pretty hard to come by, so I ended up getting one of the
(then) new digital music workstations, a Korg M1, which I still have
today.

Around that time I was also doing "tracker" music on my Amiga (along
with nearly every Amiga user out there). I never did really become a
competent musician (too many other interests) but I did have a lot of
fun. It still amuses me when I hear a modern dance/trance piece and can
identify elements remarkably similar to "tracker" songs made by kids in
the 80s and early 90s. It amuses me far less when I consider it's all
now "copyrighted" to someone else, which IMO is just farcical.

I did eventually develop an appreciation for symphony music, and indeed
a broad range of genres. I tend to judge a song on its own merits these
days, rather than simply its genre. But my biggest passion in music is
still remixes. I'm fascinated by how something rather unappealing can
be miraculously transformed to appeal to a completely different
audience, and how one can learn to appreciate different genres by
finding the common ground in all musical styles.

Here's one such remix that I found particularly impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8

At one time this was the most viewed video on YouTube (since overtaken
by music publicists promoting commercial artists, unfortunately).

IMHO this one is even better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxplDa3M5Io

I wonder what Vivaldi would make of it all? If he were alive today,
would he be composing orchestral music for film soundtracks, or rock?

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* It may have been the liquor talking, but 
Homer <usenet@slated.org> wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:15:07 +0000, Homer chiseled
>> b45268-ufo.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:
>
>>> Chuck Berry was (is) perhaps the single most important influence on
>>> music in his era, essentially creating the Rock and Roll genre, and
>>> thus spawning many different variations that form the basis of nearly
>>> all popular music we hear today.
>>
>> I'd be really hard pressed to say that any ONE person "created" the
>> rock and roll genre.
>
> I mean in terms of being one of the earliest and most popular artists of
> the genre, rather than being its "inventor".
>
>>> But to dismiss Berry's contribution merely because of its lack of
>>> sophistication is a mistake. Apart from its very obvious influence on
>>> music, it had significant cultural impact, greatly helping the civil
>>> rights movement of the day in bridging the divide between black and
>>> white, rich and poor.
>>
>> Not to minimize Berry's impact, but Elvis gave the rock and roll era
>> its charismatic figurehead. He was central to defining the genre of
>> early rock and roll (which would become "rockabilly") and making it a
>> symbol of the younger generation and its rebellious attitudes.
>
> Elvis' contribution was significant too, of course, and he was
> ultimately far more successful. He and Berry (and many others) were all
> part of the same movement that gradually became mainstream Rock and
> Roll. But the difference is Elvis was a white man (technically part
> Indian) playing to a mostly white, middle-class audience. Berry OTOH was
> quite a culture shock, since it was rare for any black person to hold a
> position of significant cultural influence, especially one which
> permeated the traditional white middle-classes (mostly via teenagers).
>
>> Berry's signature guitar riff was lifted from Goree Carter's "Rock 
>> Awhile:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3FNLnFg6Ck
>
> Yes, and his first hit, "Maybellene", was based on an old country song
> called "Ida Red":
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1OMFTxPbtg
>
> Nothing is ever completely original, all creations only exist as a
> result of accretion (one of the reasons I'm so opposed to "IP"). But
> Berry was the right guy in the right place at the right time, and is
> perhaps the earliest significant contributor that brought Rock and Roll
> to the masses. There were more successful artists like Elvis, and
> earlier artists like Goree Carter, but none that promoted the general
> popularity of the genre as early and significantly as Berry.
>
>> Speaking of sanitizing: the #2 artist in the 1950s was Pat Boone.
>
> There was a time when even Boone's style of music was considered vulgar,
> to certain classes. But this is how music affects culture, by slowly
> filtering through to the mainstream, gradually changing the balance of
> norms. Music is a great leveller.

Berry was not unsophisticated AT ALL! His chords are mostly 1-4-5 riffs,
surely, but the lyrics betray a sophistication that far exceeds many songs
being written and produced today.

The song 'Memphis, Tennessee' for instance, starts out as an apparant love
song - but the true meaning of the song is revealed in unfolding, teasing
verses that progress until the end, with it's heartbreaking admission.  This
is hardly unsophisticated song-writing, by any stretch:

Memphis Tennessee (Chuck Berry)

Long distance information, give me Memphis Tennessee
Help me find the party trying to get in touch with me
She could not leave her number, but I know who placed the call
'Cause my uncle took the message and he wrote it on the wall

Help me, information, get in touch with my Marie
She's the only one who'd phone me here from Memphis Tennessee
Her home is on the south side, high up on a ridge
Just a half a mile from the Mississippi Bridge

Help me, information, more than that I cannot add
Only that I miss her and all the fun we had
But we were pulled apart because her mom did not agree
And tore apart our happy home in Memphis Tennessee

Last time I saw Marie she's waving me good-bye
With hurry home drops on her cheek that trickled from her eye
Marie is only six years old, information please
Try to put me through to her in Memphis Tennessee

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* It may have been the liquor talking, but 
Homer <usenet@slated.org> wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:43:03 +0100, Homer chiseled
>> 7jg468-4t6.ln1@sky.matrix in stone using Trajan:
>
>>> Elvis' contribution was significant too, of course, and he was
>>> ultimately far more successful. He and Berry (and many others) were
>>> all part of the same movement that gradually became mainstream Rock
>>> and Roll. But the difference is Elvis was a white man (technically
>>> part Indian) playing to a mostly white, middle-class audience. Berry
>>> OTOH was quite a culture shock, since it was rare for any black
>>> person to hold a position of significant cultural influence,
>>> especially one which permeated the traditional white middle-classes
>>> (mostly via teenagers).
>>
>> Louis Jordan had done so in the 1940s. He was known in his day as
>> "King of the Jukebox." "Saturday Night Fish Fry" is one of my favorite
>> songs from that era. Other popular tunes from Jordan that crossed the
>> color line are "Open the Door, Richard" and "Choo Choo Ch'Boogie" (not
>> to be confused with "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" from Glenn Miller and Tex
>> Benecke).
>>
>> And of course, Louis Armstrong has cross-cultural appeal.
>>
>> It's possible Little Richard may have been more of a culture shock
>> than Chuck Berry, but that doesn't diminish Berry's impact or
>> influence.
>
> Well WRT to bridging cultural divides, again Berry wasn't the first
> musician in all history to do this, but he was one of the most
> significant of his era. It was a step-change, if you will. In later
> decades the likes of Jimi Hendrix had perhaps an even more significant
> influence, helped in no small part by cross-cultural support for the
> anti-war movement.

I don't think Hendrix was a full throated anti-war activist. In fact, his
views on the Viet Nam conflict and the Cold War were always in flux.
However, he always remained pro-soldier, helped in no small part by his
personal experience as a paratrooper.


>
>> Have you ever listened to Elvis' inspiration for his cover of Hound
>> Dog?  It wasn't Big Mama Thornton, but Freddie Bell. 
>
> No, I didn't know that, but then I've never really been much of an Elvis
> fan, despite having to listen to him constantly throughout my childhood
> (or perhaps because of that fact). Occasionally I got a break in the
> form of Patsy Cline or Jim Reeves. Oddly enough, I hated country music
> for years after that, and it was only once country crossover artists
> like Shania Twain became popular that I began having an appreciation for
> it.
>
> I inherited a collection of Elvis albums and singles, including 78s,
> which AFAICT are all UK first editions, and a big box of quarter inch
> open reel tapes of Elvis (and other) radio broadcasts from the 50s, 60s
> and 70s. I don't listen to any of it, but I'm loath to part with it for
> sentimental reasons (my parents, not the music).
>
> The first song I ever heard (according to my parents), and the first I
> can remember, is Roger Miller's "King of the Road", which turned out to
> be rather prophetic for me, in many ways. Other music I remember from my
> early childhood includes the Carpenters, the Commodores, and a host of
> "easy listening" one-hit-wonders that I've long forgotten. My musical
> tastes turned out to be radically different from my parents', but then
> isn't that always the way of things?
>
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Homer wrote:

>Well WRT to bridging cultural divides, again Berry wasn't the first
>musician in all history to do this, but he was one of the most
>significant of his era. It was a step-change, if you will. In later
>decades the likes of Jimi Hendrix had perhaps an even more significant
>influence, helped in no small part by cross-cultural support for the
>anti-war movement.

I love Hendrix.  Live at the Isle of Wight, anyone?  Awesome.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:33:54 -0500, chrisv wrote:


> I love Hendrix.  Live at the Isle of Wight, anyone?  Awesome.

Me too :)
Really!

Like Charlie Parker, Hendrix was on a totally different plane than
musicians of the time.

Verily I say unto thee, that Rockinghorse Winner spake thusly:

> Berry was not unsophisticated AT ALL! His chords are mostly 1-4-5
> riffs, surely, but the lyrics betray a sophistication that far exceeds
> many songs being written and produced today.

Well I was referring to the music, not the lyrics.

> The song 'Memphis, Tennessee' for instance, starts out as an apparant
> love song - but the true meaning of the song is revealed in unfolding,
> teasing verses that progress until the end, with it's heartbreaking
> admission.  This is hardly unsophisticated song-writing, by any
> stretch:
>
> Memphis Tennessee (Chuck Berry)
>
> Long distance information, give me Memphis Tennessee
> Help me find the party trying to get in touch with me
> She could not leave her number, but I know who placed the call
> 'Cause my uncle took the message and he wrote it on the wall
>
> Help me, information, get in touch with my Marie
> She's the only one who'd phone me here from Memphis Tennessee
> Her home is on the south side, high up on a ridge
> Just a half a mile from the Mississippi Bridge
>
> Help me, information, more than that I cannot add
> Only that I miss her and all the fun we had
> But we were pulled apart because her mom did not agree
> And tore apart our happy home in Memphis Tennessee
>
> Last time I saw Marie she's waving me good-bye
> With hurry home drops on her cheek that trickled from her eye
> Marie is only six years old, information please
> Try to put me through to her in Memphis Tennessee

Yes, that is quite clever, sombre and reflective - almost profound, but
I don't think I'd go so far as calling it sophisticated. Maybe I'm being
too picky.

Here's a list of other songs with a twist:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/apr/18/readersrecommend18408

The one I always remember is "Save All Your Kisses For Me" by the
Brotherhood of Man, a catchy but irritating Eurovision song from the
70s, with a cutesy catch at the end, which appealed to couples with
young children, and sent everybody else reaching for the mute button.

I quite like "Memphis, Tennessee" though. In a strange way it sort of
reminds me of Scottish ballads.

Talking of ballads, here's another, perhaps even more profound, one:

[quote]
It was the third of June, another sleepy, dusty Delta day
I was out choppin' cotton and my brother was balin' hay
And at dinner time we stopped and walked back to the house to eat
And Mama hollered out the back door "y'all remember to wipe your feet"
And then she said "I got some news this mornin' from Choctaw Ridge"
"Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge"

And Papa said to Mama as he passed around the blackeyed peas
"Well, Billy Joe never had a lick of sense, pass the biscuits, please"
"There's five more acres in the lower forty I've got to plow"
And Mama said it was shame about Billy Joe, anyhow
Seems like nothin' ever comes to no good up on Choctaw Ridge
And now Billy Joe MacAllister's jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge

And Brother said he recollected when he and Tom and Billie Joe
Put a frog down my back at the Carroll County picture show
And wasn't I talkin' to him after church last Sunday night?
"I'll have another piece of apple pie, you know it don't seem right"
"I saw him at the sawmill yesterday on Choctaw Ridge"
"And now you tell me Billie Joe's jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge"

And Mama said to me "Child, what's happened to your appetite?"
"I've been cookin' all morning and you haven't touched a single bite"
"That nice young preacher, Brother Taylor, dropped by today"
"Said he'd be pleased to have dinner on Sunday, oh, by the way"
"He said he saw a girl that looked a lot like you up on Choctaw Ridge"
"And she and Billy Joe was throwing somethin' off the Tallahatchie
Bridge"

A year has come 'n' gone since we heard the news 'bout Billy Joe
And Brother married Becky Thompson, they bought a store in Tupelo
There was a virus going 'round, Papa caught it and he died last Spring
And now Mama doesn't seem to wanna do much of anything
And me, I spend a lot of time pickin' flowers up on Choctaw Ridge

And drop them into the muddy water off the Tallahatchie Bridge
[/quote]

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/gentry-bobbie/ode-to-billie-joe-13490.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZt5Q-u4crc

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* It may have been the liquor talking, but 
Homer <usenet@slated.org> wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that Rockinghorse Winner spake thusly:
>
>> Berry was not unsophisticated AT ALL! His chords are mostly 1-4-5
>> riffs, surely, but the lyrics betray a sophistication that far exceeds
>> many songs being written and produced today.
>
> Well I was referring to the music, not the lyrics.
>
>> The song 'Memphis, Tennessee' for instance, starts out as an apparant
>> love song - but the true meaning of the song is revealed in unfolding,
>> teasing verses that progress until the end, with it's heartbreaking
>> admission.  This is hardly unsophisticated song-writing, by any
>> stretch:
>>
>> Memphis Tennessee (Chuck Berry)
>>
>> Long distance information, give me Memphis Tennessee
>> Help me find the party trying to get in touch with me
>> She could not leave her number, but I know who placed the call
>> 'Cause my uncle took the message and he wrote it on the wall
>>
>> Help me, information, get in touch with my Marie
>> She's the only one who'd phone me here from Memphis Tennessee
>> Her home is on the south side, high up on a ridge
>> Just a half a mile from the Mississippi Bridge
>>
>> Help me, information, more than that I cannot add
>> Only that I miss her and all the fun we had
>> But we were pulled apart because her mom did not agree
>> And tore apart our happy home in Memphis Tennessee
>>
>> Last time I saw Marie she's waving me good-bye
>> With hurry home drops on her cheek that trickled from her eye
>> Marie is only six years old, information please
>> Try to put me through to her in Memphis Tennessee
>
> Yes, that is quite clever, sombre and reflective - almost profound, but
> I don't think I'd go so far as calling it sophisticated. Maybe I'm being
> too picky.

Well, too profound it couldn't be. Berry is a great lyricist, but he's also
a good businessman, and the chief thing back then was to make a living by
getting on the radio. It had to be quick, memorable, danceable and hummable
all at the same time. LOL!

> Here's a list of other songs with a twist:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/apr/18/readersrecommend18408
>
> The one I always remember is "Save All Your Kisses For Me" by the
> Brotherhood of Man, a catchy but irritating Eurovision song from the
> 70s, with a cutesy catch at the end, which appealed to couples with
> young children, and sent everybody else reaching for the mute button.
>
> I quite like "Memphis, Tennessee" though. In a strange way it sort of
> reminds me of Scottish ballads.

I'm not surprised, since the blues are a mix of the folk music of the south,
originally settled by the scotch and irish in the 18th century, and black
rhythm.

> Talking of ballads, here's another, perhaps even more profound, one:
>
> [quote]
> It was the third of June, another sleepy, dusty Delta day
> I was out choppin' cotton and my brother was balin' hay
> And at dinner time we stopped and walked back to the house to eat
> And Mama hollered out the back door "y'all remember to wipe your feet"
> And then she said "I got some news this mornin' from Choctaw Ridge"
> "Today Billy Joe MacAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge"
>
> And Papa said to Mama as he passed around the blackeyed peas
> "Well, Billy Joe never had a lick of sense, pass the biscuits, please"
> "There's five more acres in the lower forty I've got to plow"
> And Mama said it was shame about Billy Joe, anyhow
> Seems like nothin' ever comes to no good up on Choctaw Ridge
> And now Billy Joe MacAllister's jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge
>
> And Brother said he recollected when he and Tom and Billie Joe
> Put a frog down my back at the Carroll County picture show
> And wasn't I talkin' to him after church last Sunday night?
> "I'll have another piece of apple pie, you know it don't seem right"
> "I saw him at the sawmill yesterday on Choctaw Ridge"
> "And now you tell me Billie Joe's jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge"
>
> And Mama said to me "Child, what's happened to your appetite?"
> "I've been cookin' all morning and you haven't touched a single bite"
> "That nice young preacher, Brother Taylor, dropped by today"
> "Said he'd be pleased to have dinner on Sunday, oh, by the way"
> "He said he saw a girl that looked a lot like you up on Choctaw Ridge"
> "And she and Billy Joe was throwing somethin' off the Tallahatchie
> Bridge"
>
> A year has come 'n' gone since we heard the news 'bout Billy Joe
> And Brother married Becky Thompson, they bought a store in Tupelo
> There was a virus going 'round, Papa caught it and he died last Spring
> And now Mama doesn't seem to wanna do much of anything
> And me, I spend a lot of time pickin' flowers up on Choctaw Ridge
>
> And drop them into the muddy water off the Tallahatchie Bridge
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/gentry-bobbie/ode-to-billie-joe-13490.html
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZt5Q-u4crc

Very good ballad, indeed - I enjoyed that!

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:51:08 -0400, flatfish+++ chiseled
19pkg553anzyb.de3ha6sss3r6.dlg@40tude.net in stone using Trajan:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:33:54 -0500, chrisv wrote:
> 
> 
>> I love Hendrix.  Live at the Isle of Wight, anyone?  Awesome.
> 
> Me too :)
> Really!
> 
> Like Charlie Parker, Hendrix was on a totally different plane than
> musicians of the time.

Parker, Miles, Hendrix, Me ... (just kidding about me)

Verily I say unto thee, that Rockinghorse Winner spake thusly:
> * It may have been the liquor talking, but Homer <usenet@slated.org>
> wrote:

>> I quite like "Memphis, Tennessee" though. In a strange way it sort of
>> reminds me of Scottish ballads.
>
> I'm not surprised, since the blues are a mix of the folk music of the
> south, originally settled by the scotch and irish in the 18th century,
> and black rhythm.

Pedant point: "Scotch" is a drink. "Scots" are the people of Scotland.

But anyway... Yes the Celtic ancestry of American music is immediately
recognisable in many cases, especially in Country music, which may be
why it's always been so popular over here.

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* It may have been the liquor talking, but 
Homer <usenet@slated.org> wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that Rockinghorse Winner spake thusly:
>> * It may have been the liquor talking, but Homer <usenet@slated.org>
>> wrote:
>
>>> I quite like "Memphis, Tennessee" though. In a strange way it sort of
>>> reminds me of Scottish ballads.
>>
>> I'm not surprised, since the blues are a mix of the folk music of the
>> south, originally settled by the scotch and irish in the 18th century,
>> and black rhythm.
>
> Pedant point: "Scotch" is a drink. "Scots" are the people of Scotland.

Point well taken, forgive my Americanisms.


>
> But anyway... Yes the Celtic ancestry of American music is immediately
> recognisable in many cases, especially in Country music, which may be
> why it's always been so popular over here.

Yes. It's also why the British Invasion was so successful. The music had
simply made a complete circle. 

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