467 million PCs don't run XP - comp.os.linux.advocacy

After Googling to find the total number of PCs in use worldwide, I find this article: http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww.htm#1.3 <q> The sheer size of the PC industry limits its growth rate, but the yearly worldwide sales will nearly double in the next six years-from 128M in 2000 to 216M in 2006 or a 9.0% compound annual growth rate. The number of PCs in use surpassed 500M units in 2000 and will reach 1B units by year-end 2006. Cumulative PC sales reached 810M units in 2000 and will top 1.8B in 2006. PCs-in-use topped 160M in the U.S. in 2000 and will surpass 240M in 2006. </q> The chart on this page says in 2003, the worldwide installed base was 757 million. Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either pre-installed or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% don't use XP. Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes that access Google are XP http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html

Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: > After Googling to find the total number of PCs in use worldwide, I find > this article: > > http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww.htm#1.3 > > <q> > The sheer size of the PC industry limits its growth rate, but the yearly > worldwide sales will nearly double in the next six years-from 128M in 2000 > to 216M in 2006 or a 9.0% compound annual growth rate. The number of PCs > in use surpassed 500M units in 2000 and will reach 1B units by year-end > 2006. Cumulative PC sales reached 810M units in 2000 and will top 1.8B in > 2006. PCs-in-use topped 160M in the U.S. in 2000 and will surpass 240M in > 2006. </q> > > The chart on this page says in 2003, the worldwide installed base was 757 > million. > > Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either > pre-installed or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). > > That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% don't > use XP. > > Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes that > access Google are XP > > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Ok, so let's adjust the figures based on the etforecasts numbers and m$ own number of XP units shipped. If XP is really 39% of the total number of PCs, but Google shows it as 49% that's a disparity of 21%. So lets take all the other Windos categories in Zeitgist and reduce them by 21% Zeitgist says: 98: 21% XP: 49% 2K: 18% NT: 3% 95: 1% So we reduce each by 11% and get: 91: 17% XP: 39% 2K: 14% NT: 2.3% 95: .7% So that now makes it: 73% for Windos. Let's assume the Mac number is correct, 4%. That leaves 100-77 or 13% of the OS systems worldwide unaccounted for. 13% for Linux ???

Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: > Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: > >> After Googling to find the total number of PCs in use worldwide, I find >> this article: >> >> http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww.htm#1.3 >> >> <q> >> The sheer size of the PC industry limits its growth rate, but the yearly >> worldwide sales will nearly double in the next six years-from 128M in >> 2000 to 216M in 2006 or a 9.0% compound annual growth rate. The number of >> PCs in use surpassed 500M units in 2000 and will reach 1B units by >> year-end 2006. Cumulative PC sales reached 810M units in 2000 and will >> top 1.8B in 2006. PCs-in-use topped 160M in the U.S. in 2000 and will >> surpass 240M in 2006. </q> >> >> The chart on this page says in 2003, the worldwide installed base was 757 >> million. >> >> Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either >> pre-installed or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). >> >> That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% don't >> use XP. >> >> Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes that >> access Google are XP >> >> http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html > > Ok, so let's adjust the figures based on the etforecasts numbers and m$ > own number of XP units shipped. > > If XP is really 39% of the total number of PCs, but Google shows it as 49% > that's a disparity of 21%. So lets take all the other Windos categories > in Zeitgist and reduce them by 21% > > Zeitgist says: > > 98: 21% > XP: 49% > 2K: 18% > NT: 3% > 95: 1% > > So we reduce each by 11% and get: > > 91: 17% > XP: 39% > 2K: 14% > NT: 2.3% > 95: .7% > > So that now makes it: > > 73% for Windos. > > Let's assume the Mac number is correct, 4%. > > That leaves 100-77 or 13% of the OS systems worldwide unaccounted for. > > 13% for Linux ??? Opps. Make that 23% for Linux !

Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: > Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes that > access Google are XP > > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html 49% of people looking for something on google use XP You'd probably have to track the 1001 search engines together as a group, and then check the OS's overall to get any rought figure, but a fair portion of those 467M PC's may not access the Internet (or any network for that matter) at all. I think it just indicates most people smart enough to not run XP, know better places to look for what they want to find out (hmm, wonder how many of my old gopher addresses work hehehe)

Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: > Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either > pre-installed or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). > > That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% > don't use XP. > > Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes > that access Google are XP Obvious conclusion: there are a lot of illegal copies of XP out there.

Peter Tr�hlmann wrote: > Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: > > >>Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either >>pre-installed or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). >> >>That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% >>don't use XP. >> >>Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes >>that access Google are XP > > > Obvious conclusion: there are a lot of illegal copies of XP out there. > > > So you'd rather assume they are all illegal copies, than people who choose not to run MS? That's a pretty big assumption..

Philip Callan wrote: > Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: > >> Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes that >> access Google are XP >> >> http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html > > 49% of people looking for something on google use XP > > You'd probably have to track the 1001 search engines together as a > group, and then check the OS's overall to get any rought figure, but a > fair portion of those 467M PC's may not access the Internet (or any > network for that matter) at all. > > I think it just indicates most people smart enough to not run XP, know > better places to look for what they want to find out (hmm, wonder how > many of my old gopher addresses work hehehe) I agree with you here. I was just walking back from getting my dinner at Quizno's and thought the same thing. For example, an XP user is far more likely to use Google Groups. Whereas a Linux user is far more likely to use a client newsreader. Therefore, all those Google Groups posts/reads are being registered as Google hits, but not Linux/newsreader posts.

Philip Callan spewed forth with the following drivel: > Peter Tr�hlmann wrote: >> Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: >> >> >>> Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either >>> pre-installed or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). >>> >>> That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% >>> don't use XP. >>> >>> Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes >>> that access Google are XP >> >> >> Obvious conclusion: there are a lot of illegal copies of XP out >> there. >> >> >> > > So you'd rather assume they are all illegal copies, than people who > choose not to run MS? > > That's a pretty big assumption.. Maybe, but it's acurate. -- Buster Gatekeeper: alt.os.windows-xp

trollslayer@thecave wrote: > Philip Callan spewed forth with the following drivel: > >>So you'd rather assume they are all illegal copies, than people who >>choose not to run MS? >> >>That's a pretty big assumption.. > > > Maybe, but it's acurate. We'll see. SP2 will not install on pirate copies. http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=3159 Which means the value and usefulness of pirated copies is declining. This makes the low cost aspect of Linux that much more appealing.

trollslayer@thecave wrote: > Philip Callan spewed forth with the following drivel: > > >>Peter Tr�hlmann wrote: >> >>>Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either >>>>pre-installed or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). >>>> >>>>That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% >>>>don't use XP. >>>> >>>>Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes >>>>that access Google are XP >>> >>> >>>Obvious conclusion: there are a lot of illegal copies of XP out >>>there. >>> >>> >>> >> >>So you'd rather assume they are all illegal copies, than people who >>choose not to run MS? >> >>That's a pretty big assumption.. > > > Maybe, but it's acurate. > > -- > Buster > > Gatekeeper: alt.os.windows-xp Some of them are, I have no doubt of that, if there were no piracy of XP, the no-sp2 thing would be a non-issue, but I doubt that many of those 467m are, a good chunk I'd say fall below the useable level for XP machines, maybe 98se/2k boxes, and there are still people who run ME for some reason (shudder)

Guess My Sphincta wrote: > trollslayer@thecave wrote: > >> Philip Callan spewed forth with the following drivel: >> > >>> So you'd rather assume they are all illegal copies, than people who >>> choose not to run MS? >>> >>> That's a pretty big assumption.. >> >> >> Maybe, but it's acurate. > > We'll see. SP2 will not install on pirate copies. > > http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=3159 > > Which means the value and usefulness of pirated copies is declining. > This makes the low cost aspect of Linux that much more appealing. Its the same thing they tried with SP1, which worked so well that some Pirates had to change the ID numbers. Took about 5 minutes or so too do it.... It might take the pirates a few extra minutes but they will have it installed within a day of the release.

Quantum Leaper wrote: > Its the same thing they tried with SP1, which worked so well that some > Pirates had to change the ID numbers. Took about 5 minutes or so too do > it.... It might take the pirates a few extra minutes but they will > have it installed within a day of the release. Well, bottom line is m$ can't have it both ways. If the numbers show that there are way more PCs then there are copies of Windos, they claim the copies of 'pirated'. Then, to boost their stock price, they claim that no, they have 'copy protection'. I suspect that, for them, it's the worst of both worlds. That not only are there way more Linux desktops than their wildest fears would allow, there are also way more pirated copies of Windos and that they are probably *fudging* their own numbers on copies 'sold'. My estimate of worldwide installed Linux desktops, based on information on the number of PCs worldwide, the claims of shipped WIndos product, the increasing number of Linux versions of major products, the increasing number of Linux jobs, Linux programmers, Google Zeitgeist and other factors, such as the promotion of Linux by almost all of Asia, South America, Europe and so on, is about 16% of all desktops. Sorry, but I

Guess My Sphincta wrote: > > We'll see. SP2 will not install on pirate copies. > http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=3159 > Which means the value and usefulness of pirated copies is declining. > This makes the low cost aspect of Linux that much more appealing. Memo to Sweaty: "Make sure you don't stop SP-2 installing on pirated boxes. You may give Linux a boost." :o)

What you can say is that 49% of the consumers who use a PC to access the internet are using XP. That market segment is pretty important to the PC makers and Microsoft certainly and is a huge installed base. It's the market that PC purchased at Costco, Best Buy, etc., are sold into and goes a long way to establish the perception of a Windows PC being the "usual" choice in the consumer mind. If you are going to ever get the big numbers, you have to work on the marketing aspect of it all. Linux folk don't like that idea and have a lot of disdain it seems for the marketers, but they do make the world go around. If every one thought for themselves, it might be a very different world, but that is not the reality and is not going to be the reality. To be successful, you are going to have to deal with reality. As long as the linux advocates refuse to do this, Microsoft will be in charge and that looks like it will be forever. "Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity" <ihop@ihop.us> wrote in message news:217061227.jOC6nA7UHy@news.west.earthlink.net... > After Googling to find the total number of PCs in use worldwide, I find this > article: > > http://www.etforecasts.com/products/ES_pcww.htm#1.3 > > <q> > The sheer size of the PC industry limits its growth rate, but the yearly > worldwide sales will nearly double in the next six years-from 128M in 2000 > to 216M in 2006 or a 9.0% compound annual growth rate. The number of PCs in > use surpassed 500M units in 2000 and will reach 1B units by year-end 2006. > Cumulative PC sales reached 810M units in 2000 and will top 1.8B in 2006. > PCs-in-use topped 160M in the U.S. in 2000 and will surpass 240M in 2006. > </q> > > The chart on this page says in 2003, the worldwide installed base was 757 > million. > > Microsoft claims that 290 copies of XP have been sold, either pre-installed > or user installed, so far ( according to SCOoke ). > > That leaves 757 - 290 = 467 million not running XP or 467/757 = 61% don't > use XP. > > Yet, the trolls often refer to Google, which shows that 49% of OSes that > access Google are XP > > http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html > > > > >

billwg wrote: > What you can say is that 49% of the consumers who use a PC to access the > internet are using XP. Wrong. 49% of the consumers accessing GOOGLE use XP, unless your naive enough to figure 290M sold copies plus even say 60M more pirated (300M) is 49% of all people who access the Internet. > To > be successful, you are going to have to deal with reality. As long as the > linux advocates refuse to do this, Microsoft will be in charge and that > looks like it will be forever. > To be a good advocate for Windows, perhaps you should deal with reality, and at least get your facts straight. And if you think MS will be in charge forever, your ignorant, even empires fall, its just all the more spectacular when the big ones do.