cola idiots sure can call 'em...

"DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message 
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> cola idiots sure can call 'em...

Next week ( Thursday? ) Microsoft will announced the financials. So it'll be 
interesting to see what Windows 7 sales were like. Last time they announced 
financial results Win7 was just announced and there were only some 
preliminary sales figures available for it. We've now have a full quarter of 
Win7 sales to look at so it'll be interesting to see the numbers.


 

Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:

> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message 
> news:hqcjru$34o$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>
> Next week ( Thursday? ) Microsoft will announced the financials. So it'll be 
> interesting to see what Windows 7 sales were like. Last time they announced 
> financial results Win7 was just announced and there were only some 
> preliminary sales figures available for it. We've now have a full quarter of 
> Win7 sales to look at so it'll be interesting to see the numbers.

And what they tell the SEC ;->

Why would those numbers be interesting?  Almost all new computers ship with
Win 7.

-- 
Your best consolation is the hope that the things you failed to get weren't
really worth having.

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
news:hqcm44$hqj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
>> news:hqcjru$34o$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>>
>> Next week ( Thursday? ) Microsoft will announced the financials. So it'll 
>> be
>> interesting to see what Windows 7 sales were like. Last time they 
>> announced
>> financial results Win7 was just announced and there were only some
>> preliminary sales figures available for it. We've now have a full quarter 
>> of
>> Win7 sales to look at so it'll be interesting to see the numbers.
>
> And what they tell the SEC ;->

Which is the best and most reliable 'data' we have for MSFT or any other 
company.  Much more reliable and accurate then random claims about what some 
sales associate told them at their local BestBuy store. There some 
interesting stuff in SEC reports and it's not just the numbers.


> Why would those numbers be interesting?
> Almost all new computers ship with Win 7.

It's more than just MS - it's also about the state of the PC industry and 
the economy.  Are people buying more PCs, laptops, netbooks and what are 
they buying. Last week Intel announced earnings that were very solid - 
profit up 288% and other good things. How much of those sales are in the US 
vs other regions of the world and things like that.




 

On Sunday 18 April 2010 16:24 DFS wrote:

> cola idiots sure can call 'em...

They shore ca'an, honey chil' :-)

In fact, I made a call myself, before the release of Windows 7.

I predicted that the usage share of Windows 7 would be anything up to 10% by
1st December 2009 (based on several months' sales of PCs with a "free
upgrade to W7 when it arrives), and followed by an increase at a rate of
about 1.5% per month.

I said that I regarded that as the minimum to count W7 as the overwhelming
success that Windows Enthusiasts were predicting.

Later, and in response to ezekiel, I modified that to accept that a "10%
leap" was unrealistic, and that uptake of those upgrades would very likely
be spread over several months.

Thus my prediction remains - 26% to 28% Wuindows 7 user share on 1st.
December 2010.
This is the figure that was called "a strawman" by some chap calling himself
DFS.
Nevertheless, whatever the outcome, my prediction will be far more accurate
than that of the said DFS, in that he (and several of his ilk) was too
chicken to make any numerical prediction at all!
One thing that these people *did* predict IIRC was that the introduction of
W7 would spell the end of Linux on the desktop.

WE shall see? :-)

"bbgruff" <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:82u9a6Fp0cU1@mid.individual.net...
> On Sunday 18 April 2010 16:24 DFS wrote:
>
>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>
> They shore ca'an, honey chil' :-)
>
> In fact, I made a call myself, before the release of Windows 7.
>
> I predicted that the usage share of Windows 7 would be anything up to 10% 
> by
> 1st December 2009 (based on several months' sales of PCs with a "free
> upgrade to W7 when it arrives), and followed by an increase at a rate of
> about 1.5% per month.
>
> I said that I regarded that as the minimum to count W7 as the overwhelming
> success that Windows Enthusiasts were predicting.
>
> Later, and in response to ezekiel, I modified that to accept that a "10%
> leap" was unrealistic, and that uptake of those upgrades would very likely
> be spread over several months.
>
> Thus my prediction remains - 26% to 28% Wuindows 7 user share on 1st.
> December 2010.
> This is the figure that was called "a strawman" by some chap calling 
> himself
> DFS.

I don't remember the exact numbers predicted but I do remember the thread. 
It's actually going to be close. Right now (according to netstats  - you 
gotta use something) Win7 is growing at about 1.3% per month. If this trend 
continues you get this which ends up with 22% in December. But the 
1.3%/month number will probably change.

Month	Percent	Growth
Sept	1.52%	-------
Oct	2.15%	0.63%
Nov	4.00%	1.85%
Dec	5.71%	1.71%
Jan	7.57%	1.86%
Feb	8.92%	1.35%
March	10.23%	1.31%
April	11.54%	1.31%
May	12.85%	1.31%
June	14.16%	1.31%
July	15.47%	1.31%
Aug	16.78%	1.31%
Sept	18.09%	1.31%
Oct	19.40%	1.31%
Nov	20.71%	1.31%
Dec	22.02%	1.31%


> Nevertheless, whatever the outcome, my prediction will be far more 
> accurate
> than that of the said DFS, in that he (and several of his ilk) was too
> chicken to make any numerical prediction at all!
> One thing that these people *did* predict IIRC was that the introduction 
> of
> W7 would spell the end of Linux on the desktop.

Hopefully 99% of the people who read these sort of insane predictions (on 
both side) have enough sense to brush it off.

> WE shall see? :-)
> 

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Ezekiel pulled this:
>> "DFS" wrote...
>> 
>>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>> 
>> Next week ( Thursday? ) Microsoft will announced the financials. So
>> it'll be interesting to see what Windows 7 sales were like. Last
>> time they announced financial results Win7 was just announced and
>> there were only some preliminary sales figures available for it.
>> We've now have a full quarter of Win7 sales to look at so it'll be
>> interesting to see the numbers.
> 
> And what they tell the SEC ;->
> 
> Why would those numbers be interesting?  Almost all new computers ship
> with Win 7.

Oh yeah, it is interesting:

[quote]
Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses

Now that we in the northern hemisphere have had some time to digest the
Windows 7 hype and settle in for the coming winter, we thought we would
get some more hard data regarding Windows 7 security.

On October 22nd, we settled in at SophosLabs and loaded a full release
copy of Windows 7 on a clean machine. We configured it to follow the
system defaults for User Account Control (UAC) and did not load any
anti-virus software.

We grabbed the next 10 unique samples that arrived in the SophosLabs feed
to see how well the newer, more secure version of Windows and UAC held
up. Unfortunately, despite Microsoft's claims, Windows 7 disappointed
just like earlier versions of Windows. The good news is that, of the
freshest 10 samples that arrived, 2 would not operate correctly under
Windows 7.
[/quote]

http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable-8-10-viruses/

-- 
HPT

On Saturday 17 April 2010 18:49 Ezekiel wrote:

> 
> 
> "bbgruff" <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:82u9a6Fp0cU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On Sunday 18 April 2010 16:24 DFS wrote:
>>
>>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>>
>> They shore ca'an, honey chil' :-)
>>
>> In fact, I made a call myself, before the release of Windows 7.
>>
>> I predicted that the usage share of Windows 7 would be anything up to 10%
>> by
>> 1st December 2009 (based on several months' sales of PCs with a "free
>> upgrade to W7 when it arrives), and followed by an increase at a rate of
>> about 1.5% per month.
>>
>> I said that I regarded that as the minimum to count W7 as the
>> overwhelming success that Windows Enthusiasts were predicting.
>>
>> Later, and in response to ezekiel, I modified that to accept that a "10%
>> leap" was unrealistic, and that uptake of those upgrades would very
>> likely be spread over several months.
>>
>> Thus my prediction remains - 26% to 28% Wuindows 7 user share on 1st.
>> December 2010.
>> This is the figure that was called "a strawman" by some chap calling
>> himself
>> DFS.
> 
> I don't remember the exact numbers predicted but I do remember the thread.
> It's actually going to be close. Right now (according to netstats  - you
> gotta use something) Win7 is growing at about 1.3% per month. If this
> trend continues you get this which ends up with 22% in December. But the
> 1.3%/month number will probably change.
> 
> Month Percent Growth
> Sept  1.52%   -------
> Oct   2.15%   0.63%
> Nov   4.00%   1.85%
> Dec   5.71%   1.71%
> Jan   7.57%   1.86%
> Feb   8.92%   1.35%
> March 10.23%  1.31%
> April 11.54%  1.31%
> May   12.85%  1.31%
> June  14.16%  1.31%
> July  15.47%  1.31%
> Aug   16.78%  1.31%
> Sept  18.09%  1.31%
> Oct   19.40%  1.31%
> Nov   20.71%  1.31%
> Dec   22.02%  1.31%
 
As you say, when it comes to the actual numbers, "you have to use
something":-)

If I may just try Statcounter to compare against "your" netstats figures, we
see this:-

Month   Percent Growth
Sept     1.69%  -------
Oct      2.21%  0.52%
Nov      4.05%  1.84%
Dec      6.21%  2.16%
Jan      8.37%  2.16%
Feb     10.26%  1.89%
March   11.02%  1.76%

- and continuing with that 1.76% a month to December, that would give 26.86%
for December 2010.
Either way, in the right ball park?

The point of my argument, as I'm sure that you at least understand, wasn't
the exact numbers, but to try to point out that the rise in W7 use would
come about by virtually all new PCs being delivered with a pre-loaded W7,
rather than people lining up to buy a W7 upgrade.
 
>> Nevertheless, whatever the outcome, my prediction will be far more
>> accurate
>> than that of the said DFS, in that he (and several of his ilk) was too
>> chicken to make any numerical prediction at all!
>> One thing that these people *did* predict IIRC was that the introduction
>> of
>> W7 would spell the end of Linux on the desktop.
> 
> Hopefully 99% of the people who read these sort of insane predictions (on
> both side) have enough sense to brush it off.

Well, 99% of the *sensible* people? :-)

All that said, my interest in the months to come is really in seeing what
impact the "alternative methods" of Internet access (Netbooks, phones, ipad
and similar, and particularly Google OS when it comes) have on all these
statistics.  It will be interesting...? :-)

Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
pounding the sock DFS wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil
Traffic Light Department of Marketing:


> cola idiots sure can call 'em...


So what happened to my prediction that windump will be crap and
Linux will take 100% of the Open Source Desktop market because
micoshaft has fled the market.

It came 100% true didn't it?

Some asstroturfers and just too idiotic - they should google first!

"7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> schreef in bericht 
news:Qvoyn.7753$TL1.4581@newsfe06.ams2...
> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
> pounding the sock DFS wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil
> Traffic Light Department of Marketing:
>
>
>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>
>
> So what happened to my prediction that windump will be crap and
> Linux will take 100% of the Open Source Desktop market because
> micoshaft has fled the market.
>
> It came 100% true didn't it?


28 percent true in 2005 to 18 percent true in 2009, so you are a liar!, you 
duff cunt.
"FOSS projects more compatible with Windows"
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/codeplex-foundation-announces-new-board-members.ars 

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:24:35 -0400, DFS wrote:

> cola idiots sure can call 'em...

Well, no one, except YOU, of course, is right ALL the time.

On 17 Apr 2010 21:11:30 GMT, ray wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:24:35 -0400, DFS wrote:
> 
>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
> 
> Well, no one, except YOU, of course, is right ALL the time.

Yea but you Linux loons have such a dismal track record it's not
even funny anymore.

The short version is you attack every single gadget Apple
releases, predict the failure of every single piece of Microsoft
software and so forth.

The truth of the matter is, you fall flat on your faces each and
every time.

ray <ray@zianet.com> writes:

> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:24:35 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>
> Well, no one, except YOU, of course, is right ALL the time.

Lame raytard. The usual morons were making the usual claims. If you
would like to point out DFS making similarly fanciful claims about
anything at all please do so. And no - saying he thinks Linux sucks is
not a fanciful claim. Saying its going nowhere fast appears,
unfortunately, to be the truth.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:14:06 -0400, Moshe wrote:

> On 17 Apr 2010 21:11:30 GMT, ray wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:24:35 -0400, DFS wrote:
>> 
>>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>> 
>> Well, no one, except YOU, of course, is right ALL the time.
> 
> Yea but you Linux loons have such a dismal track record it's not even
> funny anymore.
> 
> The short version is you attack every single gadget Apple releases,
> predict the failure of every single piece of Microsoft software and so
> forth.
> 
> The truth of the matter is, you fall flat on your faces each and every
> time.

Please point out where I have done such things. I dare you to make the 
attempt!

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:26:29 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> ray <ray@zianet.com> writes:
> 
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:24:35 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>>
>> Well, no one, except YOU, of course, is right ALL the time.
> 
> Lame raytard. The usual morons were making the usual claims. If you
> would like to point out DFS making similarly fanciful claims about
> anything at all please do so. And no - saying he thinks Linux sucks is
> not a fanciful claim. Saying its going nowhere fast appears,
> unfortunately, to be the truth.

I'm sorry that only you and DooFuS are never wrong - it must be quite an 
onus to carry.

ray pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:26:29 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> ray <ray@zianet.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:24:35 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...
>>>
>>> Well, no one, except YOU, of course, is right ALL the time.
>> 
>> Lame raytard. The usual morons were making the usual claims. If you
>> would like to point out DFS making similarly fanciful claims about
>> anything at all please do so. And no - saying he thinks Linux sucks is
>> not a fanciful claim. Saying its going nowhere fast appears,
>> unfortunately, to be the truth.

Heh.  Very prevalent in servers, a good market in embedded devices and
phonse, almost omnipresent in supercomputer clusters, and even slowly
clawing its way upward in a market under the all-but-total influence of 
Microsoft....  What a prescription for "going nowhere fast".

> I'm sorry that only you and DooFuS are never wrong - it must be quite an 
> onus to carry.
  ==== anus

-- 
You will experience a strong urge to do good; but it will pass.

On Apr 17, 11:37=A0am, "Ezekiel" <M...@Not-there.com> wrote:
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message

> news:hqcjru$34o$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> > cola idiots sure can call 'em...

> Next week ( Thursday? ) Microsoft will announced the financials. So it'll=
 be
> interesting to see what Windows 7 sales were like. Last time they announc=
ed
> financial results Win7 was just announced and there were only some
> preliminary sales figures available for it. We've now have a full quarter=
 of
> Win7 sales to look at so it'll be interesting to see the numbers.

What should we compare them to?

Last year, the economy was in a tail-spin, Vista was very unpopular,
and PC prices fell through the floor.  Microsoft was offering Windows
XP to Netbook makers for $15/copy.

With Windows 7, Microsoft has been asking higher license fees across
the board and almost doubled the price Netbook makers pay for Windows
7.  Meanwhile, PC prices have dropped from about $1500 when Vista was
released to around $375, with "top of the line" Windows PCs selling
for $700.

Microsoft's revenues are probably going to be up from last year, even
though revenues for the PC makers have been down.  Gateway is gone, HP
has ramped down Compaq, and new arrival ASUS has started offering good
laptops.

The more interesting numbers would be the actual PROFITS of the PC
manufacturers and the PC retailers.  Of course, most of these are
buried in the numbers that are heavily padded with sales of everything
else.  How are franchises that specialize in PCs faring?

Meanwhile, Apple is making record profits, can't keep up with demand
for Macs, iPADs, and iPod Touches, and will be adding Verizon to it's
list of carriers that offer iPhones.

To be fair however, Windows 7 isn't second, or even third.

Microsoft's biggest flop was Windows NT 3.1/3.5
This was such a failure that Microsoft pre-announced "Chicago" within
weeks after it was released.  It took nearly 2 years for Windows 95,
which was released in August of 1995, and during that time, Microsoft
had to hype the dailights out of it to keep competitors like IBM's OS/
2 Warp, Novell's UnixWare, SCO Unix, and BSDi Unix, as well as at
least 4 different Linux distributions from exploiting this huge
failure.

The failure of NT 3.x was so bad that Microsoft had to promise free
upgrades to Windows 5.0 to corporate customers who purchased Windows
NT 4.0.

The second Biggest failure was Windows ME.  Windows ME was so
unpopular that it actually created demand for Windows 98 "upgrade"
kits, which customers purchased to upgrade Windows ME machines back to
Windows 98.

The third biggest failure was Vista. Vista was so unpopuar, that Dell
and HP continued to sell Windows XP pre-installed until Microsoft
finally forced them to stop, and even then Dell offered free or low-
cost XP installation media so that customers could install XP.  Many
corporate customers simply refused to even consider the "Game Machine"
Vista for corporate use, and downgraded machines they purchased with
Vista to Windows XP.

Windows 7 has 2 things going for it.  First, it's less onerous than
Vista.  People hate Windows 7 less than they hate Vista, so many
people who purchased machines with Vista are upgrading their machines
to Windows 7 even if they have to pay a little extra to do so.

Microsoft spends $4 billion/year advertizing Windows, even though
people have no choice but to get it with their PC, and $4 billion in
legal fees and settlements for criminal measures used to prevent
competitors from entering the marketplace.

Apple's Macs sell for almost 5 times the price of similarly configured
Windows 7 PCs.

Corporate customers are using Linux and Virtualization to extend the
life of Windows XP without having to worry about missing drivers.

Microsoft is now concerned that if they push Corporate customers too
hard to upgrade to Windows 7 and Office 2010 - by ending support for
Windows XP,  they will push those corporate customers to Linux and
Open Office, Star Office, or Symphony.

While the total number of Windows/Office users has not grown
significantly in the past year, FireFox, OpenOffice, and even Linux
downloads and deployments based on observable measures, have been
growing substantially year after year.  Linux growth stalled for a
while from about 2004 to 2009, when it was obvious that there would be
no help from the courts or the DOJ.  People would simply remortgage
their houses or use HELOCs  to buy new Laptops and SUVs.

Now, the binge is over, and we have hangover.

"bbgruff" <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:82u9a6Fp0cU1@mid.individual.net...

> One thing that these people *did* predict IIRC was that the introduction 
> of
> W7 would spell the end of Linux on the desktop.
>
> WE shall see? :-)
>
Well, the uptake of Win7 is simply the rate of sales of Wintel PCs vs the 
size of the installed base.  The uptake of Vista was the same thing.  Linux 
advocates were hopeful that Win7 would generate as much disparaging comment 
as their perception of Vista and that has not happened.

As to the end of Linux on the desktop, that was more accurately "the end of 
Linux on the netbook" and Linux was more or less out of the netbook picture 
even before the introduction of Win7 due to the pricing move by Microsoft to 
apply XP to them as a stopgap measure.  Today, it appears that all of the 
netbooks on Amazon are Win7, which seems to fulfill the prophecy.
 

"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:c7a3010c-d049-4e2c-8945-f5d7917307f0@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 17, 11:37 am, "Ezekiel" <M...@Not-there.com> wrote:


> Apple's Macs sell for almost 5 times the price of
> similarly configured Windows 7 PCs.

Sure Rex... sure. Anything you say Rex. I'm sure that everybody "believes" 
this latest load of BS from you.

> Corporate customers are using Linux and Virtualization to extend the
> life of Windows XP without having to worry about missing drivers.

Riiiight Rex. Riiiiight.


 

On Sunday 18 April 2010 13:19 amicus_curious wrote:

> 
> 
> "bbgruff" <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:82u9a6Fp0cU1@mid.individual.net...
> 
>> One thing that these people *did* predict IIRC was that the introduction
>> of
>> W7 would spell the end of Linux on the desktop.
>>
>> WE shall see? :-)
>>
> Well, the uptake of Win7 is simply the rate of sales of Wintel PCs vs the
> size of the installed base.  

Absolutely so, and thank you for making that so clear and so concisely.
That is exactly my own view.

> The uptake of Vista was the same thing. 

I'm afraid that there, I must respectfully disagree.
From the figures I've seen, Vista had only about a 50% "hit rate", many
people preferring to stick with XP or even put off purchasing a new machine
altogether.  You don't need to believe ME (ever!) - just refer to the
figures.
 
> Linux advocates were hopeful that Win7 would generate as much disparaging
> comment as their perception of Vista and that has not happened.

I personally had no such high hopes.  In comparison with Vista, W7 is doing
very well.  In fact, my own "take" on it is that W7 is what Vista was
supposed to be.
 
> As to the end of Linux on the desktop, that was more accurately "the end
> of Linux on the netbook" and Linux was more or less out of the netbook
> picture even before the introduction of Win7 due to the pricing move by
> Microsoft to
> apply XP to them as a stopgap measure.  Today, it appears that all of the
> netbooks on Amazon are Win7, which seems to fulfill the prophecy.

I hear what you say, and I have no further comment on that score at this
time, other than to ask you if any of those netbooks on Amazon (U.S?) are
powered by ARM chips? :-)
Also though, may I just ask which VERSION of W7 is being included? 
Presumably not the Ultimate?

"bbgruff" <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:830srjF1b9U1@mid.individual.net...
> On Sunday 18 April 2010 13:19 amicus_curious wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "bbgruff" <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:82u9a6Fp0cU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> One thing that these people *did* predict IIRC was that the introduction
>>> of
>>> W7 would spell the end of Linux on the desktop.
>>>
>>> WE shall see? :-)
>>>
>> Well, the uptake of Win7 is simply the rate of sales of Wintel PCs vs the
>> size of the installed base.
>
> Absolutely so, and thank you for making that so clear and so concisely.
> That is exactly my own view.
>
>> The uptake of Vista was the same thing.
>
> I'm afraid that there, I must respectfully disagree.
> From the figures I've seen, Vista had only about a 50% "hit rate", many
> people preferring to stick with XP or even put off purchasing a new 
> machine
> altogether.  You don't need to believe ME (ever!) - just refer to the
> figures.
>
I don't think that I have ever seen any actual figures anywhere from any 
neutral source.  I do know that the number of copies of Vista claimed by 
Microsoft roughly matches the number of PCs shipped after the introduction 
of Vista.  Certainly there have been many cases where the OEM option of XP 
in lieu of Vista was chosen, but there were hundreds of millions of units 
shipped and even a million or more disgruntled users is a very small 
percentage.  My direct experience gained from occasionally walking by the 
computer aisles at the major retail outlets in the USofA, such as Costco, 
Sams, BestBuy, OfficeDepot, Target, and WalMart, was that all the machines 
offered for sale were Vista based.  I know that you could order a Dell with 
XP in lieu of Vista, but the retail outlet machines, which are the bulk of 
such sales were Vista only.

I bought a Dell touch screen machine that had all the pieces integrated into 
the 25" wide screen LCD monitor at WalMart and there was no provision for 
replacing Vista with XP.   With that kind of situation, I would be very 
surprised to see a lot of people going to the trouble to get their OS 
changed.

>> Linux advocates were hopeful that Win7 would generate as much disparaging
>> comment as their perception of Vista and that has not happened.
>
> I personally had no such high hopes.  In comparison with Vista, W7 is 
> doing
> very well.  In fact, my own "take" on it is that W7 is what Vista was
> supposed to be.
>
>> As to the end of Linux on the desktop, that was more accurately "the end
>> of Linux on the netbook" and Linux was more or less out of the netbook
>> picture even before the introduction of Win7 due to the pricing move by
>> Microsoft to
>> apply XP to them as a stopgap measure.  Today, it appears that all of the
>> netbooks on Amazon are Win7, which seems to fulfill the prophecy.
>
> I hear what you say, and I have no further comment on that score at this
> time, other than to ask you if any of those netbooks on Amazon (U.S?) are
> powered by ARM chips? :-)

None that I could find.  Do you know of any such thing?

> Also though, may I just ask which VERSION of W7 is being included?
> Presumably not the Ultimate?
>
I bought an Acer Aspire One on sale at Sam's Club for $249 and it came with 
Win 7 starter.  It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, 220GB hard drive and 1 
GB RAM.  On several occasions now I have gone coast to coast on the airlines 
without running out of battery.  It seems to last about 6 - 7 hours the way 
I use it although the spec says 8.5 hours.  I don't like the screen that 
dim. 

amicus_curious wrote:

<snipped>

> I bought an Acer Aspire One on sale at Sam's Club for $249 and it came 
> with Win 7 starter.  It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, 220GB hard 
> drive and 1 GB RAM.  On several occasions now I have gone coast to coast 
> on the airlines without running out of battery.  It seems to last about 
> 6 - 7 hours the way I use it although the spec says 8.5 hours.  I don't 
> like the screen that dim.

At the Sam's Club you got this for $249? I might get me one with Win 7 
at that price.

On Monday 19 April 2010 14:03 amicus_curious wrote:

> 
> 
> "bbgruff" <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:830srjF1b9U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On Sunday 18 April 2010 13:19 amicus_curious wrote:

>>> The uptake of Vista was the same thing.
>>
>> I'm afraid that there, I must respectfully disagree.
>> From the figures I've seen, Vista had only about a 50% "hit rate", many
>> people preferring to stick with XP or even put off purchasing a new
>> machine
>> altogether.  You don't need to believe ME (ever!) - just refer to the
>> figures.
>>
> I don't think that I have ever seen any actual figures anywhere from any
> neutral source.  I do know that the number of copies of Vista claimed by
> Microsoft roughly matches the number of PCs shipped after the introduction
> of Vista.  Certainly there have been many cases where the OEM option of XP
> in lieu of Vista was chosen, but there were hundreds of millions of units
> shipped and even a million or more disgruntled users is a very small
> percentage.  My direct experience gained from occasionally walking by the
> computer aisles at the major retail outlets in the USofA, such as Costco,
> Sams, BestBuy, OfficeDepot, Target, and WalMart, was that all the machines
> offered for sale were Vista based.  I know that you could order a Dell
> with XP in lieu of Vista, but the retail outlet machines, which are the
> bulk of such sales were Vista only.

For actual figures, perhaps hitslink?  Is that sufficiently "neutral"?
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=11&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=111&qpnp=25

As you can see, it took Vista 2 years after *consumer* launch to reach 16%
(It was available to businesses for several months previous to consumer
launch).
By contrast, compare Windows 7 figures.  It seems to be going at about twice
that rate, and hence my comment re. "50% Vista hit rate".
I quite accept your comment re. the machines that you saw on the shelves
mostly/all having Vista, but the ones that were selling seem to have been
about half-and-half Vista and XP.

On Apr 17, 4:14=A0pm, "Clogwog" <BWAHAHAH...@BWAHAHAHAAA.LOL> wrote:
> "7" <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> schreef in berichtnews:Qvoyn=
..7753$TL1.4581@newsfe06.ams2...

> 28 percent true in 2005 to 18 percent true in 2009, so you are a liar!, y=
ou
> duff cunt.
> "FOSS projects more compatible with Windows"http://arstechnica.com/open-s=
ource/news/2010/03/codeplex-foundation-a...

So happy to see that Microsoft has agreed to waive all of it's patent
claims against all KDE, Qt, GTK, and GNU projects, as well as any
Linux systems that run them.

It did say that somewhere - didn't it?

;-)

"Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 
news:GIGdncncGeN8CVHWnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> amicus_curious wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
>> I bought an Acer Aspire One on sale at Sam's Club for $249 and it came 
>> with Win 7 starter.  It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, 220GB hard 
>> drive and 1 GB RAM.  On several occasions now I have gone coast to coast 
>> on the airlines without running out of battery.  It seems to last about 
>> 6 - 7 hours the way I use it although the spec says 8.5 hours.  I don't 
>> like the screen that dim.
>
> At the Sam's Club you got this for $249? I might get me one with Win 7 at 
> that price.

I got me the Acer Aspire One 532 Netbook, 2 GHz , 250GB harddisk and 2GB 
ram, Win 7 starter, amazing performance and battery life!
€273,72
http://www.portablegear.nl/reviews/Acer_Aspire-One-532.htm 

Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:

> "Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 
> news:GIGdncncGeN8CVHWnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> amicus_curious wrote:
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>> I bought an Acer Aspire One on sale at Sam's Club for $249 and it came 
>>> with Win 7 starter.  It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, 220GB hard 
>>> drive and 1 GB RAM.  On several occasions now I have gone coast to coast 
>>> on the airlines without running out of battery.  It seems to last about 
>>> 6 - 7 hours the way I use it although the spec says 8.5 hours.  I don't 
>>> like the screen that dim.
>>
>> At the Sam's Club you got this for $249? I might get me one with Win 7 at 
>> that price.
>
> I got me the Acer Aspire One 532 Netbook, 2 GHz , 250GB harddisk and 2GB 
> ram, Win 7 starter, amazing performance and battery life!
> ???273,72
> http://www.portablegear.nl/reviews/Acer_Aspire-One-532.htm 

Bleh:

   Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
   features. The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and it
   is not available in a 64-bit variant. The desktop wallpaper, and Visual
   Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.

-- 
A long-forgotten loved one will appear soon.

Buy the negatives at any price.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> "Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht 
>> news:GIGdncncGeN8CVHWnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> amicus_curious wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>> I bought an Acer Aspire One on sale at Sam's Club for $249 and it came 
>>>> with Win 7 starter.  It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, 220GB hard 
>>>> drive and 1 GB RAM.  On several occasions now I have gone coast to coast 
>>>> on the airlines without running out of battery.  It seems to last about 
>>>> 6 - 7 hours the way I use it although the spec says 8.5 hours.  I don't 
>>>> like the screen that dim.
>>> At the Sam's Club you got this for $249? I might get me one with Win 7 at 
>>> that price.
>> I got me the Acer Aspire One 532 Netbook, 2 GHz , 250GB harddisk and 2GB 
>> ram, Win 7 starter, amazing performance and battery life!
>> ???273,72
>> http://www.portablegear.nl/reviews/Acer_Aspire-One-532.htm 
> 
> Bleh:
> 
>    Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
>    features. The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and it
>    is not available in a 64-bit variant. The desktop wallpaper, and Visual
>    Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.
> 

And your point is what here? If this was something called Ultra Ultra 
Light Linux, you would be slobbering all over it.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Bleh:
> 
> Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
> features. The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and it
> is not available in a 64-bit variant. The desktop wallpaper, and Visual
> Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.

You're telling me that Windows 7 Basic won't even allow you to change the
wallpaper? Good grief. 

-- 
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"

On Monday 19 April 2010 21:36 Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> "Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:GIGdncncGeN8CVHWnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> amicus_curious wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>> I bought an Acer Aspire One on sale at Sam's Club for $249 and it came
>>>> with Win 7 starter.  It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, 220GB hard
>>>> drive and 1 GB RAM.  On several occasions now I have gone coast to
>>>> coast
>>>> on the airlines without running out of battery.  It seems to last about
>>>> 6 - 7 hours the way I use it although the spec says 8.5 hours.  I don't
>>>> like the screen that dim.
>>>
>>> At the Sam's Club you got this for $249? I might get me one with Win 7
>>> at that price.
>>
>> I got me the Acer Aspire One 532 Netbook, 2 GHz , 250GB harddisk and 2GB
>> ram, Win 7 starter, amazing performance and battery life!
>> ???273,72
>> http://www.portablegear.nl/reviews/Acer_Aspire-One-532.htm
> 
> Bleh:
> 
>    Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
>    features. The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and
>    it is not available in a 64-bit variant. The desktop wallpaper, and
>    Visual Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.

So what's the problem?
If it's that bad (and presumably that cheap), and since it presumably costs
a lot to upgrade to real Windows 7, one loses very little by simply
over-writing it with a proper OS? :-)

Lookout pulled this Usenet boner:

> And 

ERR 387 POST TRUNCATED

On Apr 18, 10:32=A0am, "Ezekiel" <M...@Not-there.com> wrote:
> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> > Corporate customers are using Linux and Virtualization to extend the
> > life of Windows XP without having to worry about missing drivers.

> Riiiight Rex. Riiiiight.

Desktop cloud computing
<quote>
VMware View 4 enables you to:

 =95 Virtualize desktops, laptops and thin clients using
   PCoIP display protocol
 =95 Lower your IT operational expenses by up to 60%
 =95 Increase security by moving data from devices to
   the datacenter
 =95 Simplify, automate, manage, update, and provision
   1000's of desktops from a single console in minutes
</quote>

http://info.vmware.com/content/7954_LPb?urlcode=3DPaidSearch_Google_AMER-US=
_AMER-US_VI_Hero_VMware_Search_VMwareView4&src=3DPaidSearch_Google_AMER-US_=
AMER-US_VI_Hero_VMware_Search_VMwareView4&ossrc=3DPaidSearch_Google_AMER-US=
_AMER-US_VI_Hero_VMware_Search_VMwareView4&gclid=3DCPWl76qOlKECFSd75Qodun3L=
Ow

<quote>
With VMware View, you get proven VMware vSphere software, vCenter
Server as well as View Manager 4-an enterprise-class desktop
management tool that enables desktop IT administrators to manage 1000s
of desktops centrally, reducing the time it takes to provision, update
and patch desktops. In addition VMware View 4 includes VMware ThinApp
for application virtualization and View Composer to simplify image
management and reduce storage requirements.
</quote>

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/ff5=
e42fd9a43a93c/5b74a17880c7a9e6#5b74a17880c7a9e6

<quote>
At VMworld on Monday IBM announced what it called the industry=92s first
public desktop cloud. It will be available in the Americas and Europe
starting in October.

IBM describes it as its biggest cloud computing endorsement to date
enabling anywhere/anytime access for everything from distance learning
to business computing.

The new IBM Smart Business Desktop on the IBM Cloud is a subscription
service for virtualizing desktop computing resources, providing a
logical, rather than physical, method of accessing data, computing
power, storage capacity and other resources.
</quote>

http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/1088646

<quote>
Deploy and manage secure, portable client PC environments across the
enterprise and beyond. With VMware ACE, your organization can combine
the power and versatility of virtual machines with the security and
control of centrally managed PCs, making it easier to:

    * Manage virtual desktops from a single point of control, even in
remote and branch offices.
    * Increase security and flexibility for secure mobile computing
    * Safely extend corporate resources to 3rd party unmanaged
desktops
</quote>

https://www.vmware.com/products/ace/

And how are they doing?
$600 million last quarter
http://www.google.com/finance?q=3DNYSE:VMW&fstype=3Dii

And the competition is hot!
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VBox_vs_Others

Mac version of Parallels
http://www.parallels.com/landingpage/dskd38_3/?source=3Dgoogle_us&gclid=3DC=
K_uuM-RlKECFRMNDQodlld3hg

Mac, Windows, and Linux versions.
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/

Linux version
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/pd4wl/

ROI calculations
http://www.enterprisestrategygroup.com/2010/02/how-to-make-desktop-virtuali=
zation-roi-work/

Gartner likes desktop virtualization.
<quote>
Virtualization has been the hottest topic dominating the technology
headlines in the last year, whether it is about server virtualization
initiatives or benefits, or about new developments around virtual
desktop computing. In fact, Gartner expects virtualization to be the
highest-impact trend in IT infrastructure through 2012.
</quote>
http://www.virtual-strategy.com/Features/Debunking-the-No-ROI-in-Virtual-De=
sktop-Computing-Myth.html

"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:d9f5fb8c-8e3e-4c30-836c-c9640c947e95@x38g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 18, 10:32 am, "Ezekiel" <M...@Not-there.com> wrote:
>> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> > Corporate customers are using Linux and Virtualization to extend the
>> > life of Windows XP without having to worry about missing drivers.
>
>> Riiiight Rex. Riiiiight.
>
> Desktop cloud computing
> <quote>
> VMware View 4 enables you to:
> http://info.vmware.com/content/7954_LPb?urlcode=PaidSearch_Google_AMER-US_AMER-US_VI_Hero_VMware_Search_VMwareView4&src=PaidSearch_Google_AMER-US_AMER-US_VI_Hero_VMware_Search_VMwareView4&ossrc=PaidSearch_Google_AMER-US_AMER-US_VI_Hero_VMware_Search_VMwareView4&gclid=CPWl76qOlKECFSd75Qodun3LOw

> <quote>
> At VMworld on Monday IBM announced what it called the industry�s first
> public desktop cloud. It will be available in the Americas and Europe
> starting in October.
>
> And how are they doing?
> $600 million last quarter
> http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:VMW&fstype=ii
>
> And the competition is hot!
> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VBox_vs_Others
>
> Mac version of Parallels
> http://www.parallels.com/landingpage/dskd38_3/?source=google_us&gclid=CK_uuM-RlKECFRMNDQodlld3hg
>
> Mac, Windows, and Linux versions.
> http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/
>
> Linux version
> http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/pd4wl/
>
> ROI calculations
> http://www.enterprisestrategygroup.com/2010/02/how-to-make-desktop-virtualization-roi-work/


Yes - VMWare sold a $600 million total worth of server and client 
virtualization software and Parallels is available for the Mac, etc. But the 
existence of various virtualization products doesn't support the claim that 
customers are using Linux+Virtualization to extend the life of XP.  That's 
your assumption - along with Apple being able to sell computers for 5X the 
price of a Win7 machine.




 

>> troll wrote:
>>>
>>> cola idiots sure can call 'em...

I predicted that Win7 would do quite well, if for no other reason than
pent-up demand for something newer and better than XP.

Of course, a troll won't talk about an advocate being absolutely
correct.  A troll will cherry pick the one statement that most missed
the mark, and then claim that we are all unreasonable.

Lookout wrote:

A Windows defender using Lookout for a user-name, HA, how appropriate. 
That is my name for Microslop Outlook, Microsoft Look-Out!

Cheers

SJS

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:01:18 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Lookout pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> And 
> 
> ERR 387 POST TRUNCATED

You're a fool Chris Ahlstrom.

Snipping, running and hiding once again.

Why not grow a spine and learn to think for yourself.

sidejobscooter wrote:

>A Windows defender using Lookout for a user-name, HA, how appropriate. 
>That is my name for Microslop Outlook, Microsoft Look-Out!

Ha.  I hadn't seen Ouhouse called that before...    8)

-- 
"Linux on the desktop isn't looking very viable."  -  Larry "message
ID" Qualig, AKA Hadron Quark

"RonB" <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:hqiftt$r3l$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Bleh:
>>
>> Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
>> features. The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and it
>> is not available in a 64-bit variant. The desktop wallpaper, and Visual
>> Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.
>
> You're telling me that Windows 7 Basic won't even allow you to change the
> wallpaper? Good grief.
>
I tried that on my netbook and, indeed, there is no obvious way to change 
the background wallpaper.  A quick look at Bing and the answer was found to 
be at: 
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/47294-desktop-background-change-windows-7-starter.html

 

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht 
news:hqieri$cs8$5@news.eternal-september.org...
> Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Lookout" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:GIGdncncGeN8CVHWnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>> amicus_curious wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>> I bought an Acer Aspire One on sale at Sam's Club for $249 and it came
>>>> with Win 7 starter.  It has built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, 220GB hard
>>>> drive and 1 GB RAM.  On several occasions now I have gone coast to 
>>>> coast
>>>> on the airlines without running out of battery.  It seems to last about
>>>> 6 - 7 hours the way I use it although the spec says 8.5 hours.  I don't
>>>> like the screen that dim.
>>>
>>> At the Sam's Club you got this for $249? I might get me one with Win 7 
>>> at
>>> that price.
>>
>> I got me the Acer Aspire One 532 Netbook, 2 GHz , 250GB harddisk and 2GB
>> ram, Win 7 starter, amazing performance and battery life!
>> ???273,72
>> http://www.portablegear.nl/reviews/Acer_Aspire-One-532.htm
>
> Bleh:
>
>   Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
>   features.

Yes, so?

> The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and it
>   is not available in a 64-bit variant.

Why would I need "Aero", when browsing the web on some fscking airport or in 
my car, nor a "64-bit variant", are you stupid or something?

> The desktop wallpaper, and Visual
>   Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.
>
Yes, so?, see above!
Hint: I'm the only user, so why  do I need user-changeability? and I *never* 
use wallpapers, screensavers, aero-glass garbage and I am unanimous on that 
one!
And again, Windows 7 Starter has amazing performance and battery life!
<aside>
Trolling Chris strikes again!

On Apr 18, 11:24=A0am, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> cola idiots sure can call 'em...

This time, I have to give you the point.  Windows7 is definitely more
successful than Vista. According to http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/brows=
ers_os.asp
Windows 7 is already up to 14% after 1 year.  Vista took almost 18
months to reach that level and peaked out at 18.6%.

I would suspect that the 13% still on Vista have resolved that they
are not going to spend any more money for an upgrade to Windows 7.
After suffering with Vista, they should get the upgrade for free.

Windows XP peaked at 76%, just before Vista was released.

That's about 140 million new Windows 7 machines - which would be
slightly higher than the number of PCs sold in that period of time.

Microsoft is "eating it's own children", squeezing customers from one
version to another, whether they like it or not.

Still, I don't think Windows 7 will be nearly as successful as Windows
98 or Windows XP.

On Apr 20, 7:46=A0am, "Ezekiel" <M...@Not-there.com> wrote:
> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote in message



>=A0That's
> your assumption - along with Apple being able to sell computers for 5X th=
e
> price of a Win7 machine.

http://www.apple.com/mac/whichmacbook/compare.html

15-inch MacBook Pro
The mobile computing powerhouse.

$1999
2.53GHz Intel Core i5 processor
500GB 5400-rpm hard drive
Intel HD Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 256MB GDDR3 memory

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ydq6bx5
Asus - Laptop with Intel=AE Pentium=AE Processor - Titanium
Our Price:
$479.99


HP Compaq 610 WH247UT Notebook PC
A comfortable fit for any budget, the HP Compaq 610 WH247UT Notebook
PC helps keep you connected and productive so your office goes with
you. With its attractive design and a starting weight of only 5.5 lb,
the HP Compaq 610 WH247UT Notebook PC is the perfect business
Price: 	  $449.99

ThinkPad SL510 laptop with integrated graphics
List Price:	$734.00
Your Price:	$499.00
(Looks like they haven't been selling so well).

You could pick nits and try to tell me that the processors are
different, but how much of a difference will it really make when it
comes to actual overall laptop performance.  It seems like one version
of Windows 7 is about the same speed as any other, regardless of how
fast the CPU is.  After all, most of us "normal" people who actually
WORK for a living spend most of our time on Windows waiting for the
hard drive.

Unless of course, you are using Linux.

Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht 
> news:hqieri$cs8$5@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> Bleh:
>>
>>   Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
>>   features.
>
> Yes, so?
>
>> The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and it
>>   is not available in a 64-bit variant.
>
> Why would I need "Aero", when browsing the web on some fscking airport or in 
> my car, nor a "64-bit variant", are you stupid or something?
>
>> The desktop wallpaper, and Visual
>>   Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.
>>
> Yes, so?, see above!
> Hint: I'm the only user, so why  do I need user-changeability? and I *never* 
> use wallpapers, screensavers, aero-glass garbage and I am unanimous on that 
> one!

You certainly are ;-)

> And again, Windows 7 Starter has amazing performance and battery life!
> <aside>
> Trolling Chris strikes again!

Indeed.  Because I am going to say this:  Why fsck with Win 7 Starter
when you can have a full-fledged, fully configurable operating system,
GNU/Linux?

-- 
Perfect day for scrubbing the floor and other exciting things.

>
>"Rex Ballard" <rex.ballard@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:5bd5b99c-83e6-49c5-901b-46c8697496b2@x42g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 20, 7:46 am, "Ezekiel" <M...@Not-there.com> wrote:
>> "Rex Ballard" <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>
>> That's
>> your assumption - along with Apple being able to sell computers for 5X 
>> the
>> price of a Win7 machine.
>
>http://www.apple.com/mac/whichmacbook/compare.html
>
>15-inch MacBook Pro
>The mobile computing powerhouse.
>
>$1999
>2.53GHz Intel Core i5 processor
>500GB 5400-rpm hard drive
>Intel HD Graphics
>NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 256MB GDDR3 memory
>
>http://preview.tinyurl.com/ydq6bx5
>Asus - Laptop with Intel� Pentium� Processor - Titanium
>Our Price:
>$479.99

These are not even close.

The obvious differences are:

500GB HDD vs 320GB although that difference (price wise) is minor.

RAM - The Macbook has 4GB memory (1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM) and the Asus has 3GB 
Memory (DDR2 SDRAM). (Less RAM and much slower RAM.)

Processor - Comparing the Intel Pentium in the Asus to the i5 CPU in the 
Macbook isn't even close.
Display resolution - The Macbook has 1440 by 900  and the Asus has netbook 
resolution of 1024 x 600.

Battery life - besides having the slower processor the Asus has less than 
1/2 the battery life. It rates the battery life as "Good battery life Of up 
to 3 hours and 7 minutes."  whereas the Macbook has a battery life of "Up to 
8-9 hours (wireless web browsing)"

The Macbook weighs (very) slightly less and it has a discreet Nvidia 
graphics card (NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M) and the Asus has the standard onboard 
Intel graphics.


No... these are *NOT* comparable machines.




>You could pick nits and try to tell me that the processors are
>different, but how much of a difference will it really make when it
>comes to actual overall laptop performance.  It seems like one version
>of Windows 7 is about the same speed as any other, regardless of how
>fast the CPU is.  After all, most of us "normal" people who actually
>WORK for a living spend most of our time on Windows waiting for the
>hard drive.
>
>Unless of course, you are using Linux.
>

It's a lot more than just the processors being different. The processor is 
newer, faster and so is the RAM and the battery life over 2x as long and it 
has significantly higher screen resolution and substantially better graphics 
performance with the GT 330M graphics card.

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht 
news:hqkr7c$r5v$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:hqieri$cs8$5@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> Bleh:
>>>
>>>   Windows 7 Starter is the edition of Windows 7 that contains the fewest
>>>   features.
>>
>> Yes, so?
>>
>>> The Windows Aero theme is not included in this version, and it
>>>   is not available in a 64-bit variant.
>>
>> Why would I need "Aero", when browsing the web on some fscking airport or 
>> in
>> my car, nor a "64-bit variant", are you stupid or something?
>>
>>> The desktop wallpaper, and Visual
>>>   Style (Windows 7 Basic) is also not user-changeable.
>>>
>> Yes, so?, see above!
>> Hint: I'm the only user, so why  do I need user-changeability? and I 
>> *never*
>> use wallpapers, screensavers, aero-glass garbage and I am unanimous on 
>> that
>> one!
>
> You certainly are ;-)
>
>> And again, Windows 7 Starter has amazing performance and battery life!
>> <aside>
>> Trolling Chris strikes again!
>
> Indeed.  Because I am going to say this:  Why fsck with Win 7 Starter
> when you can have a full-fledged, fully configurable operating system,
> GNU/Linux?
>
I don't need a "fully configurable operating system" on a netbook and 
certainly not some Linux crap distro.
Most Linux distro's have wifi issues too. Windows 7 starter works fine, 
netbooks are purpose-built for a limited role.
Windows 7 starter / Windows 7 Home Basic is not an option for a fully 
equiped laptop or PC. 

Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht 
>
>> Indeed.  Because I am going to say this:  Why fsck with Win 7 Starter
>> when you can have a full-fledged, fully configurable operating system,
>> GNU/Linux?
>>
> I don't need a "fully configurable operating system" on a netbook and 
> certainly not some Linux crap distro.
> Most Linux distro's have wifi issues too.

Nope.  Fedora runs wireless and mesh networking fine on my OLPC.
Debian runs Intel wifi just fine on my DELL.  It also runs Atheros
fine on my Acer.

> Windows 7 starter works fine, 
> netbooks are purpose-built for a limited role.

You mean "Windows netbooks" are purpose-built for a limited role.

"Linux netbooks" are simply small laptops, that can do everything
a laptop can, just a little slower.

> Windows 7 starter / Windows 7 Home Basic is not an option for a fully 
> equiped laptop or PC. 

Even my little old OLPC can run a separate keyboard, mouse, and USB video,
not to mention external storage.  You can even build C code on it.

With Linux, of course.

And compared to the OLPC, a netbook is like, desktop power.

Why would I dick around with Windows on a netbook?

-- 
Q:	What's the difference between a duck and an elephant?
A:	You can't get down off an elephant.

Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht 
>
>> Indeed.  Because I am going to say this:  Why fsck with Win 7 Starter
>> when you can have a full-fledged, fully configurable operating system,
>> GNU/Linux?
>>
> I don't need a "fully configurable operating system" on a netbook and 
> certainly not some Linux crap distro.
> Most Linux distro's have wifi issues too.

Nope.  Fedora runs wireless and mesh networking fine on my OLPC.
Debian runs Intel wifi just fine on my DELL.  It also runs Atheros
fine on my Acer.

> Windows 7 starter works fine, 
> netbooks are purpose-built for a limited role.

You mean "Windows netbooks" are purpose-built for a limited role.

"Linux netbooks" are simply small laptops, that can do everything
a laptop can, just a little slower.

> Windows 7 starter / Windows 7 Home Basic is not an option for a fully 
> equiped laptop or PC. 

Even my little old OLPC can run a separate keyboard, mouse, and USB video,
not to mention external storage.  You can even build C code on it.

With Linux, of course.

And compared to the OLPC, a netbook is like, desktop power.

Why would I dick around with Windows on a netbook?

-- 
Q:	What's the difference between a duck and an elephant?
A:	You can't get down off an elephant.

Chris Ahlstrom pulled this Usenet boner:

<snip>

Repeat message courtesy of NNTP server.

-- 
You need more time; and you probably always will.

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
news:hql856$t49$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>
>> Windows 7 starter works fine,
>> netbooks are purpose-built for a limited role.
>
> You mean "Windows netbooks" are purpose-built for a limited role.
>
> "Linux netbooks" are simply small laptops, that can do everything
> a laptop can, just a little slower.
>
So is a Windows 7 netbook, silly.  Have you ever used one?  Or do you feel 
stuck with that dumbass OLPC thingy that cost so much more?

>> Windows 7 starter / Windows 7 Home Basic is not an option for a fully
>> equiped laptop or PC.
>
> Even my little old OLPC can run a separate keyboard, mouse, and USB video,
> not to mention external storage.  You can even build C code on it.
>
> With Linux, of course.
>
Same thing with Windows 7 starter edition, only somewhat more stylish.  Plug 
in a USB keyboard and external monitor or projector if you wish, same as any 
notebook.

You can run around looking like a displaced person with your OLPC although 
the battery life is not so hot or you can fly coast to cost with a stop in 
Dallas using your Win7 starter netbook all the way.  You can run through 
your Rosetta Stone library and work on your C, C++, C#, or any other of the 
many .NET supported languages using Visual Studio and even run a local copy 
of MS SqlServer Express.  All for no extra charge if you want to do so.  I 
do.

And you have 1024 x 600 32 bit color backlit video for a 10" screen instead 
of the Mickey Mouse limits of the OLPC.  You screwed up when you bought that 
clunker, nut. Own up to the facts and get on with it.

 

amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
> news:hql856$t49$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>> Windows 7 starter works fine,
>>> netbooks are purpose-built for a limited role.
>>
>> You mean "Windows netbooks" are purpose-built for a limited role.
>>
>> "Linux netbooks" are simply small laptops, that can do everything
>> a laptop can, just a little slower.
>>
> So is a Windows 7 netbook, silly.

No it isn't.  You can't change certain items without using difficult hacks,
and you throw away more memory on the OS itself.

> Have you ever used one?  Or do you feel 
> stuck with that dumbass OLPC thingy that cost so much more?

Huh?  The OLPC cost $200 (though you buy a second one to give away).
It's not dumbass, either, Mr. Ophanage-Rent-Collector.

> <Windows fanboi raving snipped>
>
> And you have 1024 x 600 32 bit color backlit video for a 10" screen instead 
> of the Mickey Mouse limits of the OLPC.  You screwed up when you bought that 
> clunker, nut. Own up to the facts and get on with it.

You are an asshole.

-- 
Ships are safe in harbor, but they were never meant to stay there.

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
news:hqn7pm$mv5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
>> news:hql856$t49$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>>> Windows 7 starter works fine,
>>>> netbooks are purpose-built for a limited role.
>>>
>>> You mean "Windows netbooks" are purpose-built for a limited role.
>>>
>>> "Linux netbooks" are simply small laptops, that can do everything
>>> a laptop can, just a little slower.
>>>
>> So is a Windows 7 netbook, silly.
>
> No it isn't.  You can't change certain items without using difficult 
> hacks,
> and you throw away more memory on the OS itself.

Memory is inexpensive and a netbook has memory to burn compared to the OLPC. 
1GB comes with the machine and it can be upped to 2GB if you want.

>
>> Have you ever used one?  Or do you feel
>> stuck with that dumbass OLPC thingy that cost so much more?
>
> Huh?  The OLPC cost $200 (though you buy a second one to give away).
> It's not dumbass, either, Mr. Ophanage-Rent-Collector.
>
Sounds like $400 to me.  And you end up with a kludgey looking toy.  How's 
that touch pad working for you, BTW?  The unit I saw was basically useless 
and needed an added mouse to function correctly.  Are they still making 
those things?  I haven't heard much about them for the past year or so.

>> <Windows fanboi raving snipped>
>>
>> And you have 1024 x 600 32 bit color backlit video for a 10" screen 
>> instead
>> of the Mickey Mouse limits of the OLPC.  You screwed up when you bought 
>> that
>> clunker, nut. Own up to the facts and get on with it.
>
> You are an asshole.
>
And you are a dumbass.

 

amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:

> 

Talk to the hand, money grubber.

-- 
Beware the one behind you.

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
news:hqp9e7$3ae$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>>
>
> Talk to the hand, money grubber.
>
Once again the nut has nothing to reply, so he pats his fanny and gives a 
Bronx cheer. 

"amicus_curious" <acdc@sti.net> writes:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
> news:hqp9e7$3ae$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Talk to the hand, money grubber.
>>
> Once again the nut has nothing to reply, so he pats his fanny and gives a 
> Bronx cheer. 

He is a fanny isn't he? Really rather embarrassing for all
concerned. It's as if he doesn't care that he has zero dignity.

When he does venture an opinion its generally someone elses and then
wrong.

amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
> news:hqp9e7$3ae$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>> Talk to the hand, money grubber.
>>
> Once again the nut has nothing to reply, so he pats his fanny and gives a 
> Bronx cheer. 

You're lucky I'm not Irish.

Your nothing to reply noted.

-- 
Extreme fear can neither fight nor fly.
		-- William Shakespeare, "The Rape of Lucrece"

On 4/22/2010 10:42 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom"<ahlstromc@launchmodem.com>  wrote in message
>> news:hqp9e7$3ae$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>> Talk to the hand, money grubber.
>>>
>> Once again the nut has nothing to reply, so he pats his fanny and gives a
>> Bronx cheer.
>
> You're lucky I'm not Irish.

We're lucky your wife doesn't come here and defend you.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:57:10 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 4/22/2010 10:42 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> "Chris Ahlstrom"<ahlstromc@launchmodem.com>  wrote in message
>>> news:hqp9e7$3ae$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> amicus_curious pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>> Talk to the hand, money grubber.
>>>>
>>> Once again the nut has nothing to reply, so he pats his fanny and gives a
>>> Bronx cheer.
>>
>> You're lucky I'm not Irish.
> 
> We're lucky your wife doesn't come here and defend you.

She's too busy out working while Liarmutt sits here and trolls
24x7.

Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:

>> Next week ( Thursday? ) Microsoft will announced the financials.
>> So it'll be interesting to see what Windows 7 sales were like.
>> Last time they announced financial results Win7 was just announced
>> and there were only some preliminary sales figures available for
>> it. We've now have a full quarter of Win7 sales to look at so it'll
>> be interesting to see the numbers.
> 
> And what they tell the SEC ;->
> 
> Why would those numbers be interesting?  Almost all new computers 
> ship with Win 7.

Also remember that when the Vole ships a retail box of Windows to a
retailer's warehouse, they count /that/ as a "sale", even if it never
makes it out of the warehouse and onto an actual PC.

The same goes for volume licenses shipped to OEMs, which are then
deployed onto PCs which may, or may not, ever be sold to an actual customer.

And even if those systems /do/ ever find their way into an actual
customer's home, how many of those people simply blow away the Windows
partition to install Linux instead, without ever even reading the EULA,
much less using Microsoft's steaming pile of illicit bloatware? How many
of those people successfully negotiate a partial refund for this unused
bloatware, or even try at all - given the impenetrable barrier Microsoft
have set up with their racketeering practises?

Microsoft's sales figures are a work of pure fiction. Oh yes, they make
their money ... through racketeering (a.k.a. "the channel"), regardless
of whether or not any of their products ever /really/ get sold.

Meanwhile, these gangster then pitch those fictitious sales figures as a
measure of "market share" against Free Software ... software which is
not usually sold at /all/, and thus cannot possibly ever have any
quantifiable "market share". They then use this deception to
indoctrinate the media and the public into believing that "Linux isn't
popular" because it has a "tiny market share", when in reality they
can't /possibly/ know what the true /usage/ share of Linux is.

Microsoft's "market share" is actually zero. They don't have market
share, they have "channel share", and their "share" of the channel is
virtually 100%, much like Al Capone's "share" of the liquor business in
his domicile was 100%, and for all the same reasons ... none of which
have anything to do with what people actually /want/.

-- 
K.
http://slated.org

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