the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.

there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to sell 
them.

lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.

checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux but 
nobody is buying them.

the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no longer 
waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant market.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
> 
> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
> sell them.
> 
> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
> 
> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
> but nobody is buying them.
> 
> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no longer
> waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant market.

Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".



-- 
I'm always kind, polite and reasonable....  except when I'm not.

"SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message 
news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>
>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>
>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>> sell them.
>>
>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>
>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>> but nobody is buying them.
>>
>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no longer
>> waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant market.
>
> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".

another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was presented.

all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a name.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>
>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>
>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>> sell them.
>>>
>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>
>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>
>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>> existant market.
>>
>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
> 
> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
> presented.
> 
> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
> name.

Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".



-- 
I'm always kind, polite and reasonable....  except when I'm not.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.

True.

> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to sell 
> them.

Some have, some haven't.

> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.

No, but they do have a pretty good Linux support page, and supposedly they
have an ARM powered smartbook with Linux coming.

> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux but 
> nobody is buying them.

There's more than that.  They have about 5 base Optiplex systems alone.
However, oddly enough, their link for Linux notebooks goes to a blank page,
although their "mobile workstation" models there's 5.

Plus the netbooks, in which they offer two models.

But yes, the number of models is severely limited compared to their Windows
models, especially in the XPS line.

> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no longer 
> waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant market.

Well, most people who want Linux will probably want to custom configure
their own system anyways, and there are lots of models that can be ordered
without OS.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:15:29 -0600, SomeBloke wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
> 
>> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
>> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>
>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>>
>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>> sell them.
>>>>
>>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>>
>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>
>>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>>> existant market.
>>>
>>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>> 
>> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
>> presented.
>> 
>> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
>> name.
> 
> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".

Except of course they weren't "facts" that the idiot troll presented, just
wishful thinking on its part.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> non existant

nonexistent

-- 
// This is my opinion.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>
>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>
>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>> sell them.
>>>
>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>
>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>
>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>> existant market.
>>
>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
> 
> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
> presented.
> 
> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
> name.

who are you trying to convince, and of what are you trying to convince 
them?



-- 
Rick

On 2010-01-24, the following emerged from the brain of Erik Funkenbusch:
> Well, most people who want Linux will probably want to custom configure
> their own system anyways, and there are lots of models that can be ordered
> without OS.

Very true. The average GNU/Linux user isn't interested in a
pre-installed PC.

For the others the choice is simple:
A) A $ 500 PC with Windows installed, which cost over $ 100
   seperately.
B) A $ 500 PC with a GNU/Linux distro installed, which can be
   downloaded for free anyway.

"A" clearly "wins", no?

-- 
That seems to point up a significant difference between Europeans
and Americans. A European says: "I can't understand this, what's
wrong with me?" An American says: "I can't understand this, what's
wrong with him?"
	~ Terry Pratchett

Rick wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
> 
>> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
>> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>
>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>>
>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>> sell them.
>>>>
>>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>>
>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>
>>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>>> existant market.
>>>
>>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>> 
>> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
>> presented.
>> 
>> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
>> name.
> 
> who are you trying to convince, and of what are you trying to convince
> them?
> 

That flatfish is a clueless idiot?

No convincing needed
-- 
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
    -- Groucho Marx

On 2010-01-24, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 2010-01-24, the following emerged from the brain of Erik Funkenbusch:
>> Well, most people who want Linux will probably want to custom configure
>> their own system anyways, and there are lots of models that can be ordered
>> without OS.
>
> Very true. The average GNU/Linux user isn't interested in a
> pre-installed PC.

    A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
anything they aren't going to use.

   So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
by Linux users.

>
> For the others the choice is simple:
> A) A $ 500 PC with Windows installed, which cost over $ 100
>    seperately.
> B) A $ 500 PC with a GNU/Linux distro installed, which can be
>    downloaded for free anyway.
>
> "A" clearly "wins", no?
>


-- 

   Unauthorized distribution of your work is going to happen. That      ||| 
particular genie left the bottle a long time ago. You can either be    / | \ 
cool about it and possibly gain from it or big the biggest jerk you   
can be and alienate potential fans.

Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
pounding the sock One Shot, One Kill wrote on behalf of Half Wits from
Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:


> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
> 
> there is no market for desktop linux machines.


One blank and one pre-mature ejactitation from a micoshaftee
fanboi paid to asstroturf on its behalf.

You been claiming that since when fanboi?

Del still got more PCs on offer than ever before you started
ranting and make bucket loads of money selling Linux.
So do most mainstream hardware suppliers
switching over to Linux phones, Linux Android tablets, and
they of course shipping 33% of all netbooks.

A lot of CN manufacturers have now entered the desktop PC market
as a commodity with commodity pricing.

75% of Linux is now written and supported by corporate paid developers.

And your post is a purile attempt to compete with Linux
without a working desktop micoshaft product.

The joke is still on micoshaft crocporation to produce
desktop PCs cheaper than Linux.

It is worthwhile for everyone to learn Linux.
Search www.youtube.com for compiz and linux and you begin
to see how the other half live a world apart
and more advanced than micoshaftees.

Here is some guidance to go practice your Linux
to achieve similar results with 3D translucent Linux Desktop.



3D TRANSLUCENT COMPIZ 



Using extlinux to convert a liveCD iso to bootable SD card
-------------------------------------------------------------

Converting an ISO file to a bootable USB stick or a bootable
SD Card for EEE is easy.

Without being able to convert a distro into a bootable USB flash /SD Card,
that distro can't be easily loaded into netbook like EEE
and stand to miss out on users installing it into netbooks.

So I would recommend all distro mainters look at their netbook
boot strategy and offer something to boot their distros
from USB flash and SD cards or miss out on users installing it into
netbooks.

Having done a few conversions, a pattern emerges that works well for 
most syslinux / isolinux / extlinux based distros.

1. Put your SD card or USB flash drive into your desktop Linux PC and
   then open a console and type dmesg
   You should see some line indicating your flash drive as
   being picked up and allocated with a comment like sdc / sdc1 etc..
   Remember both names - the first is /dev/sdc which is your
   device name, and the second is /dev/sdc1 which is your partition name.
   (Don't get confused between drive /dev/sdc and partition /dev/sdc1
   or your drive could become scrambled eggs later on. Also remember
   it may be called sdg or sdh etc depending what you see when you
   plug in device and type dmesg)

2. Install gparted on your machine using synaptic.
   To run it you can type
     sudo gparted
   in a console window and select on the right side the drive name allocated
   in step 1. Right click on the bar that represents the partition
   and click on manage flags.
   Enable the boot flag and click OK. This makes the SD Card / USB
   stick bootable.

3. Format the partition /dev/sdc1 to ext2 linux format.
   This format is not directly readable under WINDUMMY Osen, but there
   are free drivers for it - try for example www.fs-driver.org
   The ext2 format is many times faster than windummy FAT so
   ditching WINDUMMY file formats is advised.

4. Identify that you have syslinux or isolinux in your liveCD by
   opening the .ISO file in archive manager and checking that it has
   isolinux or syslinux directory somewhere in the liveCD.
   In ubuntu, the root directory of /dev/sdc1 will not be writeable
   unless you are in super user mode.
   You can run
        sudo file-roller
   to open iso files like xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso in super user
   mode and extract all the files in the iso file
   to the /dev/sdc1 partition.

5. Go to the flash drive and locate the syslinux (or isolinux) directory.
   rename it to extlinux. Inside the now renamed extlinux directory will
   a file such as syslinux.cfg or isolinux.cfg. Rename that to
   extlinux.conf
   
6. Get syslinux - this is a boot loader and menu system for FAT based
   file systems. Download the latest version from here...
   http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/
   Unzip it and go to the extlinux directory.
   On my machine path is something like this....../syslinux/extlinux
   Run the program there by typing this - (note this command is updating
   the partition /dev/sdc1)

   ./extlinux --install /dev/sdc1/extlinux 

   This puts a new file into your SD card / USB flash disk

7. from the extlinux directory change to the mbr directory
   cd ../mbr
   and then run this - again note this time its updating the device by
   writing data to the first sector as opposed to the first partition.

   sudo cat mbr.bin > /dev/sdc

   (Note at this stage you may need to do some of the sudo commands after
   entering super user mode to make it work properly.
   So the above command would have been done as follows in Ubuntu.

   sudo -s
   cat mbr.bin > /dev/sdc
   )

   This makes the card bootable and useable in an Asus EEE and many other
   PCs with SD card or USB flash disk boot facility.

   After booting, you can install Linux on to local disk or an external
   pocket drive. The pocket drive can be 7200 RPM giving you near desktop
   speed.

This method tested and works for

1. Ubuntu
2. Slax
3. Knoppix
4. Puppy
5. DSL
6. GParted
7. gOS
8. Dynabolic
9. MoonOS Kachana
10. Xubuntu
11. TinyOS (incredible distro!)


(Note the method does not work for .ISO files built with grub bootloader - 
 need a different install method with grub boot loader instead of syslinux.)

Try installing something powerful like Ubuntu on to a netbook
and see it take netbooks to new heights.


3D Translucent Cube Desktop
---------------------------

The latest EEE1000 has fast enough graphics for translucent
3D desktops. An easy way to do all this with Ubuntu is:

Install Ubuntu on EEE (compiz itself
appears to be installed by default in the default install),
then install compiz settings manager using Synaptic
which allows compiz to be fully 'exercised'.
And then do the following to get the 3D cube desktop
working...

 Go to General > Display Settings > Lighting and turned it off
 Enable Desktop Cube and then Desktop Cube > Transparent Cube and set the
 two opacity  settings to 30%
 then Desktop Cube > Skydome and check the skydome check mark
 Enable Rotate Cube
 Enable Enhanced Zoom Desktop
 Right click the virtual workspaces panel and increase the number
 of colums to 16.

And hey presto - 100% 3D translucent desktop with 16 screens!!!!!!!!!!

 [Some shortcuts for the 3D screen
  ctrl + alt + left or right arrow to spin cube
  ctrl + alt + down arrow and then left or right arrow for a ring switcher
  super + E for yet another switcher
  super + mouse wheel scroll to zoom in and out of the 3D desktop.
 ]

You can run many applications simultaneously on netbook like a
real Linux desktop. You can open many browser tabs, run Open Office, video,
and developer stuff like MySQL server, Apache, PHP, Gambas, sqlite3
ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY while on a train for example, and rotate the
cube to switch between tasks instantly. Gone are the days when netbooks
were mis-represented as toys. They are fully functional Linux
Desktops on the move. Try it! It works!


Reducing Font Sizes And Turning ON Sub Pixel Rendering
------------------------------------------------------

The EEE can be astonishingly good to look at once the
font size is reduced to about 8 and sub pixel rendering
is turned ON. It is still absolutely
readable and everything appeared like a 'full screen' miniature
desktop equivalent of a big desktop PC.
System > Appearance > Fonts get to the font settings
in Ubuntu. On software like firefox and some other applications,
need to also to set local use of fonts ( Edit > Preferences > Content 
will have font settings for firefox that also need to be changed). 


VirtualBox
----------
Yes! VirtualBox can run on Ubutu set up with 3D translucent desktop.
http://www.virtualbox.org

Install virtual box and then install programs like windopws XP and run
it pretty much at it would run on a normal netbook. Its hard to tell
if the netbook is running Linux or the WINDUMMY OSen when the software
is run full screen becaue the speed and responsiveness is about
the same between a real windummy OSen install and a virtual box
virtual machine running it all in Linux.


Speeding up netbook to near Desktop speed
-----------------------------------------
With the EEE, you can speed up the netbook into a desktop PC able to handle
giant applications. Just fit USB 7200 RPM external pocket drive. Install
and boot Linux from the external drive. Data transfer rate is about 28
Megabytes per second so video and other stuff work at near desktop speeds.
Obviously it uses up a lot more energy and 2 USB sockets and so
drains battery very fast. Need to be plugged into a charger to
get best performance. You don't want to fit the 7200RPM drive
inside the netbook - it will heat up a lot. If you want 7 to 8 hours of
battery life from your netbooks you need to limit yourself to slowish SSDs
for now. As the pocket drives cost only 40 pounds, another advantage
is that you can have several to switch between tasks.

If netbooks start shipping with e-Sata, then that would be even better
option to get as the e-Sata and 7200 RPM pocket drives
desktop drive are common and cheap.


http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
> but nobody is buying them.

Yeah, Dell is selling them, "but nobody is buying them." Uh huh. Not 
exactly knee-deep in facts there, are you?

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:04:39 -0600, SomeBloke wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
> 
>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>> 
>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>> sell them.
>> 
>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>> 
>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>> but nobody is buying them.
>> 
>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant
>> market.
> 
> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".

He's definitely giving Hadron and DFS a run for their "stupidest poster on 
COLA" award, that's for sure. WinTrolls win it every year! Kind of like 
the American League in the All-Star game.

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>
>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>> but nobody is buying them.
>
> Yeah, Dell is selling them, "but nobody is buying them." Uh huh. Not 
> exactly knee-deep in facts there, are you?

No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on their
Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
OSS to support them?

Whats that? Nothing and nothing? Why am I not surprised you hypocritical
little freetard you!

7 wrote:

> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
> pounding the sock One Shot, One Kill wrote on behalf of Half Wits from
> Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
<snipped the garbled drivel>

This boob probably believes anyone is going to waste their time reading the
rest of his post once they see the childish writing style with all the
ranting insults within.  All this boob does is convince readers to stay away
from Linux since it has idiots like this proselytizing it.  This boob does a
disservice to Linux.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:03:41 -0600, Rick wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
> 
>> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
>> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>
>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>>
>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>> sell them.
>>>>
>>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>>
>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>
>>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>>> existant market.
>>>
>>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>> 
>> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
>> presented.
>> 
>> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
>> name.
> 
> who are you trying to convince, and of what are you trying to convince
> them?

They're just whistling in the dark. Is is that the wind whistling through 
their empty heads? 

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:04:39 -0600, SomeBloke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>> 
>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>> 
>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>> sell them.
>>> 
>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>> 
>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>> 
>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant
>>> market.
>> 
>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>
> He's definitely giving Hadron and DFS a run for their "stupidest poster on 
> COLA" award, that's for sure. WinTrolls win it every year! Kind of like 
> the American League in the All-Star game.

And the more you yell then the more we know we own you. Time and time
again you are corrected and humiliated. Face it WronG, you just don't
have it. You're a silly little man with ideas of grandeur - you were
unable to use Windows (or so you claim) and you use Linux for nothing
more than Distro shuffling. I almost feel sorry for you. I can hear your
desperation - because if there is one thing myself, or DFS, are not is
stupid. Meanwhile you continue to shill and get shilled from such
"valuable and intelligent" poasters as Dumb Willy Poaster, chrisv and
the "zany" 7. Hell, if his tongue doesn't have blisters on it you might
even get a colonic irrigation from resident fluffer Creepy Chris.

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:03:41 -0600, Rick wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>> 
>>> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>>> sell them.
>>>>>
>>>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>>>
>>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>>
>>>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>>>> existant market.
>>>>
>>>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>>> 
>>> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
>>> presented.
>>> 
>>> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
>>> name.
>> 
>> who are you trying to convince, and of what are you trying to convince
>> them?
>
> They're just whistling in the dark. Is is that the wind whistling through 
> their empty heads? 

LOL. Trying to forge an alliance with resident thicky Rick now eh? Just
remember that "Linux is the kernel". LOL .... have fun .....

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>
>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>
>> Yeah, Dell is selling them, "but nobody is buying them." Uh huh. Not
>> exactly knee-deep in facts there, are you?
> 
> No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
> unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on their
> Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
> OSS to support them?
> 
> Whats that? Nothing and nothing? Why am I not surprised you hypocritical
> little freetard you!

How is Dell retreating from Linux?



-- 
Rick

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> clouded the waters of pure thought with
news:hjie1b$rh8$1@news.albasani.net: 

> 7 wrote:
> 
>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
>> pounding the sock One Shot, One Kill wrote on behalf of Half Wits
>> from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
> <snipped the garbled drivel>
> 
> This boob probably believes anyone is going to waste their time
> reading the rest of his post once they see the childish writing
> style with all the ranting insults within.  All this boob does is
> convince readers to stay away from Linux since it has idiots like
> this proselytizing it.  This boob does a disservice to Linux.
> 

Well yuh, thats why *I* quit "advocating" fer teh linuxses.

^_^

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On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
> anything they aren't going to use.
> 
>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
> by Linux users.

So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.

Yet here you are saying the entire prodcution model just doesn't work for
most Linux users.

Odd.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:

> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
> 
> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
> sell them.
> 
> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
> 
> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
> but nobody is buying them.
> 
> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no longer
> waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant market.

Curious part, of course, is that they never made their presence known - 
certainly never advertised them and still "recommended" MS.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:32:46 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

>> They're just whistling in the dark. Is is that the wind whistling
>> through their empty heads?
> 
> LOL. Trying to forge an alliance with resident thicky Rick now eh? Just
> remember that "Linux is the kernel". LOL .... have fun .....

No Hadron. Just saying it like it is. I know for someone who idolizes the 
crank Snit that it's hard to perceive that others don't have their own 
personal "gurus" -- but that's just the way it is in the normal world. You 
might want to visit there sometime.

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:31:18 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> And the more you yell then the more we know we own you. Time and time
> again you are corrected and humiliated.

Right. Delusions don't count, Hadron. You see, there's a difference 
between the "real" world and your imaginary world where you're actually 
relevant. 

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
> unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on their
> Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
> OSS to support them?

Which has *what* to do with whether they are selling Linux machines or not?

Get a grip, Hadron. Try to stay on topic.

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0

�n�hw��f wrote:

> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> clouded the waters of pure thought with
> news:hjie1b$rh8$1@news.albasani.net:
> 
>> 7 wrote:
>> 
>>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
>>> pounding the sock One Shot, One Kill wrote on behalf of Half Wits
>>> from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
>> <snipped the garbled drivel>
>> 
>> This boob probably believes anyone is going to waste their time
>> reading the rest of his post once they see the childish writing
>> style with all the ranting insults within.  All this boob does is
>> convince readers to stay away from Linux since it has idiots like
>> this proselytizing it.  This boob does a disservice to Linux.
>> 
> 
> Well yuh, thats why *I* quit "advocating" fer teh linuxses.



May be you were bending down and facing Redmond at the time and some
micoshaft bum boyee did a gotcha from behind.


Example below:



Micoshaft blackballing Linux in Retail Stores with Lies and Indoctrination
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Microsoft attack Linux at the retail level. (Probably not 56k friendly)

,----[ Quote ]
| So I work at Best Buy (insert boos and hisses) and I was doing some Microsoft
| ExpertZone training.

http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html


(I do keep wondering how many retards fall for all this micoshaft crap!)

7 wrote:

<snipped>

Hey 7, you still chasing the dragon? You had better leave those drugs 
alone 7.

RonB stated in post hjihij$9q5$17@news.eternal-september.org on 1/24/10 3:28
PM:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:32:46 +0100, Hadron wrote:
> 
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>>> They're just whistling in the dark. Is is that the wind whistling
>>> through their empty heads?
>> 
>> LOL. Trying to forge an alliance with resident thicky Rick now eh? Just
>> remember that "Linux is the kernel". LOL .... have fun .....
> 
> No Hadron. Just saying it like it is. I know for someone who idolizes the
> crank Snit that it's hard to perceive that others don't have their own
> personal "gurus" -- but that's just the way it is in the normal world. You
> might want to visit there sometime.

Why do you try to pull me into your circuses?


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Rick stated in post -cGdnf4gmcIQBMHWnZ2dnUVZ_qZi4p2d@supernews.com on
1/24/10 12:03 PM:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
> 
>> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
>> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>> 
>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>> 
>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>> sell them.
>>>> 
>>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>> 
>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>> 
>>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>>> existant market.
>>> 
>>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>> 
>> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
>> presented.
>> 
>> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
>> name.
> 
> who are you trying to convince, and of what are you trying to convince
> them?
> 
> 
If you have to ask, you are not the one trying to be convinced!


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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:32:46 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> They're just whistling in the dark. Is is that the wind whistling
>>> through their empty heads?
>> 
>> LOL. Trying to forge an alliance with resident thicky Rick now eh? Just
>> remember that "Linux is the kernel". LOL .... have fun .....
>
> No Hadron. Just saying it like it is. I know for someone who idolizes the 
> crank Snit that it's hard to perceive that others don't have their own 

You idolize Snit? Why? He has humiliated you numerous times when he made
it very clear you had ZERO clue what a concistent user Interface for a
desktop OS was.

> personal "gurus" -- but that's just the way it is in the normal world. You 
> might want to visit there sometime.

I dont know what you're talking about. I think you will find from day
one that I knew about consistent UIs and provided relevent links and
anecdotes which Snit then included in his list when trying to hammer it
into that lump of lead you call a brain.

Agreeing with Industry luminaries and designers does not mean I idolize
anyone. It does mean, however, that you're a clueless moron who would
sooner believe ThRick or Koehlmann over those of us who actually know
something about the subject.

But hey! That's why you're always WronG!

On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>> anything they aren't going to use.
>> 
>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>> by Linux users.
>
> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.

    Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
another option to the other 50 or so they already have.

    OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.

>
> Yet here you are saying the entire prodcution model just doesn't work for
> most Linux users.
>
> Odd.

     

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Hadron stated in post hjip2n$qa8$4@hadron.eternal-september.org on 1/24/10
5:36 PM:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:32:46 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>> 
>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>>> They're just whistling in the dark. Is is that the wind whistling
>>>> through their empty heads?
>>> 
>>> LOL. Trying to forge an alliance with resident thicky Rick now eh? Just
>>> remember that "Linux is the kernel". LOL .... have fun .....
>> 
>> No Hadron. Just saying it like it is. I know for someone who idolizes the
>> crank Snit that it's hard to perceive that others don't have their own
> 
> You idolize Snit? Why? He has humiliated you numerous times when he made
> it very clear you had ZERO clue what a concistent user Interface for a
> desktop OS was.
> 
>> personal "gurus" -- but that's just the way it is in the normal world. You
>> might want to visit there sometime.
> 
> I dont know what you're talking about. I think you will find from day
> one that I knew about consistent UIs and provided relevent links and
> anecdotes which Snit then included in his list when trying to hammer it
> into that lump of lead you call a brain.
> 
> Agreeing with Industry luminaries and designers does not mean I idolize
> anyone. It does mean, however, that you're a clueless moron who would
> sooner believe ThRick or Koehlmann over those of us who actually know
> something about the subject.
> 
> But hey! That's why you're always WronG!
> 
> 
Pretty much RonB knows he has no counter to the evidence he has been
shown... so he has sunk to name calling.

I wish he could mature past that... but I do not expect him to.


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JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>>> anything they aren't going to use.
>>> 
>>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>>> by Linux users.
>>
>> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
>> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
>> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.
>
>     Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
> to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
> another option to the other 50 or so they already have.
>
>     OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
> since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.

Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
Windows. 

>
>>
>> Yet here you are saying the entire prodcution model just doesn't work for
>> most Linux users.
>>
>> Odd.

On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>
>>>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>>>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>>>> anything they aren't going to use.
>>>> 
>>>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>>>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>>>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>>>> by Linux users.
>>>
>>> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
>>> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
>>> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.
>>
>>     Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
>> to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
>> another option to the other 50 or so they already have.
>>
>>     OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
>> since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.
>
> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
> Windows. 

    You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.

    Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.

[deletia]

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JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>>>>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>>>>> anything they aren't going to use.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>>>>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>>>>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>>>>> by Linux users.
>>>>
>>>> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
>>>> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
>>>> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.
>>>
>>>     Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
>>> to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
>>> another option to the other 50 or so they already have.
>>>
>>>     OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
>>> since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.
>>
>> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
>> Windows. 
>
>     You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.
>
>     Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.
>
> [deletia]

*chuckle*

Poor Jed.

It's like giving some thicky an extra few points every now and again and
them thinking that are that clever ....

On Jan 24, 12:38=A0pm, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.

> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to sel=
l
> them.

Actually ASUS and Acer did very well selling Netbooks that ran Linux.
These machines were very profitable.  The only problem was that
Microsoft told NetBook makers that if customers "pirated" Windows XP,
that the OEMs would be charged the full retail price - for every
machine NOT Licensed for Windows in advance.  The alternative was to
purchase Licenses for ALL of the machines, and Microsoft would give
discounts on the OEM prices only if Windows, not Linux was pre-
installed.

The profit was far lower.  At the same time.  The Linux machines only
needed a small amount of FLASH.  The Windows machines needed real hard
drives, 1 Gig of RAM, and the Windows license.  In other words, they
had to buy about $150 worth of hardware and software to get $50 more
in revenue.

These days, most notebooks and netbooks are "Linux Ready".  OEMs have
figured out that it's much easier to take the path of least resistance
and just produce a machine that is "Linux Ready" and will run any
version of Linux, sell it with Windows pre-installed, and let the end-
users decide which distribution they want to install.

> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.

All ThinkPads and most IdeaPads are Linux ready.  You might need to
install "Binary Only" drives to get the optimal graphics performance,
but they perform quite well.

The same is true with HP ProLinea and Dell Demension lines.

> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux but
> nobody is buying them.

Nobody is buying the machine with Linux pre-installed, because the can
get the Windows machine cheaper, and the cost of installation and
configuration - especially for end-user installed Linux, is
practically free.

On the other hand, "Linux Hostile" machines, those which do not run
well, such as Gateways, Compaqs, and such, are typically being sold at
huge losses.  Linux hostile laptops lost as much as 80% of their
retail price since the release of Vista.   Many Linux Hostile machines
that once sold for $2300 and were "top of the line" fell to $500 each
in less than 6 months, and fell to $400 or even lower, even with
faster CPUs, more RAM, and bigger hard drives.  Even today, most
laptops have dropped in price by almost half since the release of
Windows 7, and this is AFTER being bumped from 3 gig of RAM to 4, and
from 320 gig hard drives to 500 gig drives.

> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no longer
> waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant market.

Ironically, the Linux community, including corporations purchasing
large quantities of machines, have spoken.  They want a Windows
license that can be downgraded to XP, and they want to be able to
install ANY distribution of Linux - with little or no special effort
to install and/or configure.

Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> writes:

> On Jan 24, 12:38 pm, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>
>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to sell
>> them.
>
> Actually ASUS and Acer did very well selling Netbooks that ran Linux.
> These machines were very profitable.  The only problem was that
> Microsoft told NetBook makers that if customers "pirated" Windows XP,
> that the OEMs would be charged the full retail price - for every
> machine NOT Licensed for Windows in advance.  The alternative was to
> purchase Licenses for ALL of the machines, and Microsoft would give
> discounts on the OEM prices only if Windows, not Linux was pre-
> installed.


I assume you'll provide some proof of this outrageous claim?

I won't call you an out and out liar just yet. But I have a hard time
believing this last piece of Rexx'esque information when I haven't heard
it anywhere else.

Hadron wrote:

> Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Jan 24, 12:38 pm, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>
>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>> sell them.
>>
>> Actually ASUS and Acer did very well selling Netbooks that ran Linux.
>> These machines were very profitable.  The only problem was that
>> Microsoft told NetBook makers that if customers "pirated" Windows XP,
>> that the OEMs would be charged the full retail price - for every
>> machine NOT Licensed for Windows in advance.  The alternative was to
>> purchase Licenses for ALL of the machines, and Microsoft would give
>> discounts on the OEM prices only if Windows, not Linux was pre-
>> installed.
> 
> 
> I assume you'll provide some proof of this outrageous claim?

Like you provide proof for your outlandish claims? That is, never?

> I won't call you an out and out liar just yet. But I have a hard time
> believing this last piece of Rexx'esque information when I haven't heard
> it anywhere else.

You would not understand what you "hear" even if explained to you in 
extremely simple terms
-- 
Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
        It could be worse, but it'll take time.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:07:19 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:

> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>>>>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>>>>> anything they aren't going to use.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>>>>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>>>>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>>>>> by Linux users.
>>>>
>>>> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
>>>> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
>>>> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.
>>>
>>>     Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
>>> to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
>>> another option to the other 50 or so they already have.
>>>
>>>     OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
>>> since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.
>>
>> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
>> Windows. 
> 
>     You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.

But of course, didn't you know that the Hadron M$ zealot is "a long term
Windows user and programmer"?  And it shows.
(Message-ID: <87y7hxdaei.fsf@googlemail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu)

>     Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.

It is *generally* accepted that Linux does indeed support more hardware
than windows (& I am *not the only one* who says that), but the Hadron M$
zealot simply cannot accept that fact. Furthermore, Greg Kroah-Hartman 
(a longtime developer of the Linux kernel) has stated that this fact has
been independently verified by somebody from...........Microsoft!!
So is the Halfwit-Hadron M$ fanboi  now going to say that M$ that Greg
Kroah-Hartman is lying, or that M$ were lying? (Which is the normal
routine for the troll when trying to shout down Linux advocates.)
http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/10/how-linux-supports-more-device.html

Here's another person saying the same thing, Linux hardware support
better than windows:
http://changelog.complete.org/archives/644-linux-hardware-support-better-than-windows

And there are plenty more.

If the Halfwit-Hadron actually *used* Linux & knew wtf he was doing, he'd
know. Nor would the dumbshit come out with idiotic statements like:

"Getting high performance Video cards working is a damn sight easier on
XP because the installers are better. Ubuntu is a pain in the hole
- you need to recompile the latest NVidia drivers using a set version of the
compiler, for example, when changing kernels." 
-- "True Linux Advocate" "Hadron"--

Which just makes the troll look even more stupid (if that's possible).

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:32:13 +0000, RonB wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0100, Hadron wrote:
> 
>> No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
>> unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on their
>> Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
>> OSS to support them?
> 
> Which has *what* to do with whether they are selling Linux machines or not?
> 
> Get a grip, Hadron. Try to stay on topic.

That'll be the day....when the trolling M$ zealot gets a grip.

RonB pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:31:18 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> And the more you yell then the more we know we own you. Time and time
       ==================================================
>> again you are corrected and humiliated.
>
> Right. Delusions don't count, Hadron. You see, there's a difference 
> between the "real" world and your imaginary world where you're actually 
> relevant. 

It's a kid's game.  See the underlined.

It is called "Give me attention!".

-- 
It is a wise father that knows his own child.
		-- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"

JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:

> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
>> Windows. 
>
>     You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.
>
>     Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.

   http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Linux-Guide-Desktop,review-29702.html

   Linux is one of the great mysteries of the computing world. It's an
   operating system that looks like a clear winner by most standards, from
   technical to functional. Linux supports more hardware than any other
   operating system . . .

-- 
ANYONE that has used Linux on anything like modern HW 2 years ago knows
you to be a liar and talking garbage.
Modern wireless networking was hard, hard, hard for many, Even talking
about "wpa_supplicant" (only idiots use wpa anyway if its at all
related) was enough to put people off.  Fortunately wiser heads got
together and started on projects like wicd - they got sick of the "works
for me" crowd. Certainly with NW manager I couldnt move from home to
office to cafe and expect it to "just work" on wireless properly. With
wicd it does.
   -- "Hadron" <h6gjo3$s7b$4@news.eternal-september.org>

Rick pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>
>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>
>>> Yeah, Dell is selling them, "but nobody is buying them." Uh huh. Not
>>> exactly knee-deep in facts there, are you?
>> 
>> No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
>> unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on their
>> Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
>> OSS to support them?
>> 
>> Whats that? Nothing and nothing? Why am I not surprised you hypocritical
>> little freetard you!
>
> How is Dell retreating from Linux?

   http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=gen&c=us&l=en&cs=&k=linux&cat=all&x=0&y=0

Only 6 pages of results :-D

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> RonB pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:31:18 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> And the more you yell then the more we know we own you. Time and time
>        ==================================================
>>> again you are corrected and humiliated.
>>
>> Right. Delusions don't count, Hadron. You see, there's a difference
>> between the "real" world and your imaginary world where you're actually
>> relevant.
> 
> It's a kid's game.  See the underlined.
> 
> It is called "Give me attention!".
> 

Please note who it is the Hadron is talking about with "we"

It is the filthiest scum imaginable. *All* of them liars, wintrolls or 
dishonest filth like Snit Michael Glasser

And the vilest racists ever to haunt COLA are among them, like flatfish or 
DFS
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Rex Ballard pulled this Usenet boner:

> Nobody is buying the machine with Linux pre-installed, because the can
> get the Windows machine cheaper, and the cost of installation and
> configuration - especially for end-user installed Linux, is
> practically free.
>
> On the other hand, "Linux Hostile" machines, those which do not run
> well, such as Gateways, Compaqs, and such, are typically being sold at
> huge losses.  Linux hostile laptops lost as much as 80% of their
> retail price since the release of Vista.   Many Linux Hostile machines
> that once sold for $2300 and were "top of the line" fell to $500 each
> in less than 6 months, and fell to $400 or even lower, even with
> faster CPUs, more RAM, and bigger hard drives.  Even today, most
> laptops have dropped in price by almost half since the release of
> Windows 7, and this is AFTER being bumped from 3 gig of RAM to 4, and
> from 320 gig hard drives to 500 gig drives.

You can now find (Office Depot/Staples) full-sized notebooks for less money
than some netbooks.  These are 15" laptops with "only" 2 Gb RAM.

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this message.

Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I won't call you an out and out liar just yet.

Why so squeamish this time?

>> But I have a hard time
>> believing this last piece of Rexx'esque information when I haven't heard
>> it anywhere else.
>
> You would not understand what you "hear" even if explained to you in 
> extremely simple terms

-- 
Your book does not explain anything. It reiterates your individual
belief which is provably false almost every time. Any bit shot can stand
up and pronounce the future as if they were the chosen one . However
facts prove that Linux is going nowhere fast on the deskop ...
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"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
news:hjk251$kpa$4@news.eternal-september.org...
> Rick pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Dell is selling them, "but nobody is buying them." Uh huh. Not
>>>> exactly knee-deep in facts there, are you?
>>>
>>> No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
>>> unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on their
>>> Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
>>> OSS to support them?
>>>
>>> Whats that? Nothing and nothing? Why am I not surprised you hypocritical
>>> little freetard you!
>>
>> How is Dell retreating from Linux?
>
> 
> http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=gen&c=us&l=en&cs=&k=linux&cat=all&x=0&y=0
>
> Only 6 pages of results :-D

And 6 pages of duplicate Redhat service contracts and books.  Are there any 
desktop computers in the 6 pages of results?

"Ezekiel" <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> writes:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message 
> news:hjk251$kpa$4@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Rick pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, Dell is selling them, "but nobody is buying them." Uh huh. Not
>>>>> exactly knee-deep in facts there, are you?
>>>>
>>>> No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
>>>> unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on their
>>>> Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
>>>> OSS to support them?
>>>>
>>>> Whats that? Nothing and nothing? Why am I not surprised you hypocritical
>>>> little freetard you!
>>>
>>> How is Dell retreating from Linux?
>>
>> 
>> http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=gen&c=us&l=en&cs=&k=linux&cat=all&x=0&y=0
>>
>> Only 6 pages of results :-D
>
> And 6 pages of duplicate Redhat service contracts and books.  Are there any 
> desktop computers in the 6 pages of results?

You can actually see Liarnut's big smiley there crumble as he makes  a
fool of himself once more by posting links without checking the content
once more. LOL. Who needs "Wintrolls" here - the "advocates" nuke
themselves"!

Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> RonB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:31:18 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the more you yell then the more we know we own you. Time and time
>>        ==================================================
>>>> again you are corrected and humiliated.
>>>
>>> Right. Delusions don't count, Hadron. You see, there's a difference
>>> between the "real" world and your imaginary world where you're actually
>>> relevant.
>> 
>> It's a kid's game.  See the underlined.
>> 
>> It is called "Give me attention!".
>
> Please note who it is the Hadron is talking about with "we"
>
> It is the filthiest scum imaginable. *All* of them liars, wintrolls or 
> dishonest filth like Snit Michael Glasser
>
> And the vilest racists ever to haunt COLA are among them, like flatfish or 
> DFS

Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante anarchists, at
least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest pro-Linux posters
and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we know, guys like
DFS, Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real identity theft (for example).

-- 
Chicken Little was right.

"Hadron" <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:hjk5ap$4jd$2@hadron.eternal-september.org...
> "Ezekiel" <not-zeke@the-zeke.com> writes:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
>> news:hjk251$kpa$4@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Rick pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with 
>>>>>>> linux
>>>>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, Dell is selling them, "but nobody is buying them." Uh huh. Not
>>>>>> exactly knee-deep in facts there, are you?
>>>>>
>>>>> No they're not. And once more Dell are retreating from Linux
>>>>> unfortunately. Tell us WronG, how much did you spend with Dell on 
>>>>> their
>>>>> Linux offerings? How much did you contribute to their SW labs to write
>>>>> OSS to support them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats that? Nothing and nothing? Why am I not surprised you 
>>>>> hypocritical
>>>>> little freetard you!
>>>>
>>>> How is Dell retreating from Linux?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=gen&c=us&l=en&cs=&k=linux&cat=all&x=0&y=0
>>>
>>> Only 6 pages of results :-D
>>
>> And 6 pages of duplicate Redhat service contracts and books.  Are there 
>> any
>> desktop computers in the 6 pages of results?
>
> You can actually see Liarnut's big smiley there crumble as he makes  a
> fool of himself once more by posting links without checking the content
> once more. LOL. Who needs "Wintrolls" here - the "advocates" nuke
> themselves"!

There's page after page of items like this:

RHEL 2 socket only Standard support 3 YR  (Call for pricing)
RHEL 2 socket only Premium Support - 1 year (Call for pricing)
RHEL 2 socket only Standard Support 1 year Renewal (Call for pricing)
RHN Provisioning Entitlement 1 year Renewal (Call for pricing)
RHN Provisioning Entitlement 3 year Renewal (Call for pricing)

I did a quick scan of the first few pages and didn't see a single computer 
anywhere in those 6 pages. Re-selling support contracts for Redhat is very 
different from selling desktops with Linux preinstalled.

SomeBloke wrote:

>Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".

I KF'ed the idiot on it's first post, and I didn't even read that one!
8)

On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>>>>>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>>>>>> anything they aren't going to use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>>>>>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>>>>>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>>>>>> by Linux users.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
>>>>> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
>>>>> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.
>>>>
>>>>     Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
>>>> to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
>>>> another option to the other 50 or so they already have.
>>>>
>>>>     OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
>>>> since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.
>>>
>>> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
>>> Windows. 
>>
>>     You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.
>>
>>     Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.
>>
>> [deletia]
>
> *chuckle*
>
> Poor Jed.

    Yes. Poor me. I have used something other than an IBM PC clone in my
professional and even my home computing life. If my Macs ran PPC chips 
instead of x86 I would not be bothered by that. Linux would chug along 
just fine under those conditions.


>
> It's like giving some thicky an extra few points every now and again and
> them thinking that are that clever ....
>


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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:25:55 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> SomeBloke wrote:
> 
>>Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
> 
> I KF'ed the idiot on it's first post, and I didn't even read that one!
> 8)

You didn't miss anything from the Blank Misbegotten One. :-)

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:15:00 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
>>> Windows. 
>>
>>     You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.
>>
>>     Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.
> 
>    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Linux-Guide-Desktop,review-29702.html
> 
>    Linux is one of the great mysteries of the computing world. It's an
>    operating system that looks like a clear winner by most standards, from
>    technical to functional. Linux supports more hardware than any other
>    operating system . . .

Methinks the Halfwit-Hadron M$ zealot will be digging itself another
mineshaft! ;-)

-- 
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pretty much a must for web rendering."
"Hadron", who *claims* to use Debian, & yet not realizing 
ttf-liberation is installed by his "Debian". Go figure.. 

7 <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> clouded the waters of
pure thought with
news:j347n.31205$Ym4.5506@text.news.virginmedia.com: 

> �n�hw��f wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> clouded the waters of pure thought with
>> news:hjie1b$rh8$1@news.albasani.net:
>> 
>>> 7 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
>>>> pounding the sock One Shot, One Kill wrote on behalf of Half
>>>> Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
>>> <snipped the garbled drivel>
>>> 
>>> This boob probably believes anyone is going to waste their time
>>> reading the rest of his post once they see the childish writing
>>> style with all the ranting insults within.  All this boob does
>>> is convince readers to stay away from Linux since it has idiots
>>> like this proselytizing it.  This boob does a disservice to
>>> Linux. 
>>> 
>> 
>> Well yuh, thats why *I* quit "advocating" fer teh linuxses.
> 
> 
> 
> May be you were bending down and facing Redmond at the time and
> some micoshaft bum boyee did a gotcha from behind.
> 
Noep. Thats an EXIT, not an entrance, fyi.

> 
> Example below:
> 
> 
> 
> Micoshaft blackballing Linux in Retail Stores with Lies and
> Indoctrination 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------- Microsoft attack Linux at the retail level. (Probably not
> 56k friendly) 
> 
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| So I work at Best Buy (insert boos and hisses) and I was doing
>| some Microsoft ExpertZone training.
> 
> http://www.overclock.net/windows/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-reta
> il-level-probably.html 
> 
> 
> (I do keep wondering how many retards fall for all this micoshaft
> crap!) 
> 
> 
Its installed by default.
Whatcha gonna do?

^_^


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JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>>>>>>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>>>>>>> anything they aren't going to use.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>>>>>>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>>>>>>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>>>>>>> by Linux users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
>>>>>> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
>>>>>> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
>>>>> to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
>>>>> another option to the other 50 or so they already have.
>>>>>
>>>>>     OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
>>>>> since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.
>>>>
>>>> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
>>>> Windows. 
>>>
>>>     You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.
>>>
>>>     Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>
>> *chuckle*
>>
>> Poor Jed.
>
>     Yes. Poor me. I have used something other than an IBM PC clone in my
> professional and even my home computing life. If my Macs ran PPC chips 

Err me too Jed. Including big industrial Unix machines many moons ago. I
have even built my own early Z80 and 68k systems. All that is by the by
- the fact is that for all your claims you are clueless.

You claim that multiple screens  are "useless". Which indicates you are
totally out of the loop.

> instead of x86 I would not be bothered by that. Linux would chug along 
> just fine under those conditions.

More rhymes and riddles eh Jed?

It's that green screen monitor. Get a new one.

>
>>
>> It's like giving some thicky an extra few points every now and again and
>> them thinking that are that clever ....
>>

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> RonB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:31:18 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And the more you yell then the more we know we own you. Time and
>>>>> time
>>>        ==================================================
>>>>> again you are corrected and humiliated.
>>>>
>>>> Right. Delusions don't count, Hadron. You see, there's a difference
>>>> between the "real" world and your imaginary world where you're
>>>> actually relevant.
>>> 
>>> It's a kid's game.  See the underlined.
>>> 
>>> It is called "Give me attention!".
>>
>> Please note who it is the Hadron is talking about with "we"
>>
>> It is the filthiest scum imaginable. *All* of them liars, wintrolls or
>> dishonest filth like Snit Michael Glasser
>>
>> And the vilest racists ever to haunt COLA are among them, like flatfish
>> or DFS
> 
> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante anarchists,
> at
> least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest pro-Linux posters
> and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we know, guys like
> DFS, Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real identity theft (for
> example).
> 

No, we do *not* know that at all.
We do know that flatfish has done it several times, and for the others it 
certainly would not be beneath them. After all, Snit Michael Glasser and 
Hadron Quark have nymshifted several times.

And all of them are filthy enough to do real identity theft if it serves 
them one way or another
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On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-01-25, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:46 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     A Linux user is likely to have more precise or more interesting 
>>>>>>>> requirements and not be willing to pay more than they need or for
>>>>>>>> anything they aren't going to use.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    So a limited number of prebuilt models might not be terribly 
>>>>>>>> compelling. It't very likely that there are going to be a lot of
>>>>>>>> unused Windows and MacOS licenses floating around out there owned
>>>>>>>> by Linux users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why is it that when a company like Dell, who's entire manufacturing
>>>>>>> process is based on a mass production model doesn't offer Linux the same
>>>>>>> way they offer Windows, guys like you complain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Yes. I company that has a model that allows for EVERY OTHER COMPONENT
>>>>>> to vary except for the operating system somehow can't manage to add yet
>>>>>> another option to the other 50 or so they already have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     OTOH, just marking a machine as Tux friendly would be more than enough
>>>>>> since the Linux install itself is trivial for supported hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dumb Willy Poaster was telling us how Linux supports more HW than
>>>>> Windows. 
>>>>
>>>>     You have a perfect Lemming mindset there.
>>>>
>>>>     Of course Willy is refering to a bit more than just IBM PC clones.
>>>>
>>>> [deletia]
>>>
>>> *chuckle*
>>>
>>> Poor Jed.
>>
>>     Yes. Poor me. I have used something other than an IBM PC clone in my
>> professional and even my home computing life. If my Macs ran PPC chips 
>
> Err me too Jed. Including big industrial Unix machines many moons ago. I
> have even built my own early Z80 and 68k systems. All that is by the by
> - the fact is that for all your claims you are clueless.
>
> You claim that multiple screens  are "useless". Which indicates you are
> totally out of the loop.

    No. I claim they are overrated and their utility (as proclaimed by you)
is primarily driven by lame system & desktop software.

>
>> instead of x86 I would not be bothered by that. Linux would chug along 
>> just fine under those conditions.
>
> More rhymes and riddles eh Jed?
>
> It's that green screen monitor. Get a new one.

    Repeating a lie won't make it any more true.

[deletia]

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any of the details of your patent then you have been granted a patent  / | \
on the "idea" and not the actual implementation.

Peter K�hlmann stated in post hjki7p$ol6$03$1@news.t-online.com on 1/25/10
9:52 AM:

> After all, Snit Michael Glasser and
> Hadron Quark have nymshifted several times.

Please show support for this accusation.

But you will not.


-- 
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Peter K�hlmann stated in post hjk29e$n8t$03$2@news.t-online.com on 1/25/10
5:19 AM:

> It is the filthiest scum imaginable. *All* of them liars, wintrolls or
> dishonest filth like Snit Michael Glasser

Yet you cannot quote a single lie of mine.

You are just begging for attention.


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"Peter K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> schreef in bericht 
news:hji65h$b9o$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>
>>> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>>> sell them.
>>>>>
>>>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>>>
>>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>>
>>>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>>>> existant market.
>>>>
>>>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>>>
>>> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
>>> presented.
>>>
>>> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
>>> name.
>>
>> who are you trying to convince, and of what are you trying to convince
>> them?
>>
>
> That flatfish is a clueless idiot?
>
> No convincing needed

Please, keep talking Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann.
I always yawn when I am interested. 

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> schreef in bericht 
news:C7832510.603A0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com...
> Peter K�hlmann stated in post hjki7p$ol6$03$1@news.t-online.com on 1/25/10
> 9:52 AM:
>
>> After all, Snit Michael Glasser and
>> Hadron Quark have nymshifted several times.
>
> Please show support for this accusation.
>
> But you will not.
>
The angry troll Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann never supports accusations, he 
always slinks away when people ask for support. 

"Peter K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> schreef in bericht 
news:hjjirr$aig$02$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Jan 24, 12:38 pm, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>
>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>> sell them.
>>>
>>> Actually ASUS and Acer did very well selling Netbooks that ran Linux.
>>> These machines were very profitable.  The only problem was that
>>> Microsoft told NetBook makers that if customers "pirated" Windows XP,
>>> that the OEMs would be charged the full retail price - for every
>>> machine NOT Licensed for Windows in advance.  The alternative was to
>>> purchase Licenses for ALL of the machines, and Microsoft would give
>>> discounts on the OEM prices only if Windows, not Linux was pre-
>>> installed.
>>
>>
>> I assume you'll provide some proof of this outrageous claim?
>
> Like you provide proof for your outlandish claims? That is, never?
>
>> I won't call you an out and out liar just yet. But I have a hard time
>> believing this last piece of Rexx'esque information when I haven't heard
>> it anywhere else.
>
> You would not understand what you "hear" even if explained to you in
> extremely simple terms

lol !, that coming from Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann the dumb tardlett!
<aside>
WOW!!! the moron door is open today. 

Clogwog stated in post hjkp09$dbt$1@speranza.aioe.org on 1/25/10 11:47 AM:

> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> schreef in bericht
> news:C7832510.603A0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com...
>> Peter K�hlmann stated in post hjki7p$ol6$03$1@news.t-online.com on 1/25/10
>> 9:52 AM:
>> 
>>> After all, Snit Michael Glasser and
>>> Hadron Quark have nymshifted several times.
>> 
>> Please show support for this accusation.
>> 
>> But you will not.
>> 
> The angry troll Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann never supports accusations, he
> always slinks away when people ask for support.
> 
But demands Message IDs for every claim made against him.

Yes, Peter is a clueless hypocrite.  No doubt.


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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:36:08 +0100, Clogwog wrote:

> "Peter K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> schreef in bericht 
> news:hji65h$b9o$00$1@news.t-online.com...
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:10:26 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>
>>>> "SomeBloke" <stuff@stuff.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lqudnVvt-v8qFsHWnZ2dnUVZ8ixi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:03 -0500, One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to
>>>>>> sell them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux
>>>>>> but nobody is buying them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no
>>>>>> longer waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non
>>>>>> existant market.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another gem from "One Blank, One Misfire".
>>>>
>>>> another idiot fanboi who can not debate a single fact that was
>>>> presented.
>>>>
>>>> all you idiot fanbois can do is some childish attempt to make fun of a
>>>> name.
>>>
>>> who are you trying to convince, and of what are you trying to convince
>>> them?
>>>
>>
>> That flatfish is a clueless idiot?
>>
>> No convincing needed
> 
> Please, keep talking Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann.
> I always yawn when I am interested.

Coalman is a laugh a minute.
I've forgotten more than he knows.

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1/25/2010 3:01:46 PM

"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> schreef in bericht 
news:C78337C0.603E3%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com...
> Clogwog stated in post hjkp09$dbt$1@speranza.aioe.org on 1/25/10 11:47 AM:
>
>> "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:C7832510.603A0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com...
>>> Peter K�hlmann stated in post hjki7p$ol6$03$1@news.t-online.com on 
>>> 1/25/10
>>> 9:52 AM:
>>>
>>>> After all, Snit Michael Glasser and
>>>> Hadron Quark have nymshifted several times.
>>>
>>> Please show support for this accusation.
>>>
>>> But you will not.
>>>
>> The angry troll Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann never supports accusations, he
>> always slinks away when people ask for support.
>>
> But demands Message IDs for every claim made against him.
>
> Yes, Peter is a clueless hypocrite.  No doubt.
>
Somehow it's funny to see how Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann get's his ass kicked 
in almost every thread for years now.
My Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann cock-up list covers, let's say 2 years of crazy 
statements uttered by this cretin.
I remember his garbage postings from 2002 until 2006 and how he was bitch 
slapped by S.Heenan, K-man, relic, flatfish a.s.o.
Same story, nothing new here. Dumb Willy, 7 and even Terry Porter have a few 
good contributions to Linux advocacy.
Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann never contributed anything to Linux advocacy. 
Peter "Clueless" Kohlmann must be an old angry, dishonest individual! 

On Jan 25, 2:37=A0am, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Jan 24, 12:38=A0pm, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
>
> >> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to =
sell
> >> them.
>
> > Actually ASUS and Acer did very well selling Netbooks that ran Linux.
> > These machines were very profitable.

About 25% of the ASUS EEE machines, usually received as Christmas
presents, were returned and exchanged for either full-sized laptops or
enhanced machines that included hard drive, extra memory, and Windows
XP.

According to ASUS, the EEE 4G, the only model offered at retailers in
both forms, sold 60% Linux and 40% Windows.  Much of this was due to
the extra $50 to $75 price increase for Windows.  Windows did not run
well without the internal 160 gig hard drive.

> > =A0The only problem was that
> > Microsoft told NetBook makers that if customers "pirated" Windows XP,
> > that the OEMs would be charged the full retail price - for every
> > machine NOT Licensed for Windows in advance.

This was discussed in this newsgroup, one of Roy's thousands of news
clips.  It does sound familiar.  Microsoft has used similar tactics
against other OEMs who attempted to offer machines without Windows.
Microsoft has consistently claimed that about 90% of the machines sold
without pre-installed Windows end up with pirated Windows.  Even if
the number is only 20%, when Microsoft gives you the option of paying
for licenses for the machines that WEREN'T sold with Windows, or
revoking your license to the REST OF THAT PRODUCT LINE, (as documented
in the contempt of court hearing in 1997-8), it's not much of a
choice.

Microsoft's license fees are negotiated with the OEMs.  The "Base
Price" is pretty much standard, but discounts for making minimum
commitments, preinstalling Windows on all PCs in the product line, and
so on, can make it much more attractive to pre-install Windows and NOT
install Linux - even if the customer placing the order has explicitly
stated that it is his intent to install Linux on the machines.

Lenovo's approach for the "Smart-book" is to offer a machine that runs
on the ARM processor, which is INCAPABLE of  running Windows.  This
way there is no chance that Microsoft can claim that all of the buyers
of this model PC must be licensed for Windows because they are simply
pirating Windows.  Apple used a similar tactic with OS/7 through OS/9
- which only ran on the PowerPC chip.  Since there was no version of
Windows that ran on the PPC chip, Microsoft couldn't accuse Apple of
promoting piracy.  By the time Apple released OS/X, Apple had a strong
product history showing that Apple users DIDN'T pirate windows.
Eventually Microsoft offered Apple substantial discounts for Windows
on a non-exclusive basis, just to keep Windows on the box so that it
could continue to claim that the top OEMs (Apple had climbed to #3)
were shipping machines with windows on 99% of their boxes.  The fact
that 14% of the PCs being shipped (all of those shipped by Apple) were
ALSO being shipped with OS/X (Unix) pre-installed, could easily be
lost in the "fine print".

> > =A0The alternative was to
> > purchase Licenses for ALL of the machines, and Microsoft would give
> > discounts on the OEM prices only if Windows, not Linux was pre-
> > installed.

> I assume you'll provide some proof of this outrageous claim?

Some of this has been published in various court proceedings
documents, including COMBS vs Microsoft, as well as DOJ and the trials
in various states.  Most of these exhibits were sealed after the
trials, many were captured while they were still in the public domain
(All court documents that are not sealed by the judge when presented
are public domain until a settlement seals the documents).

> I won't call you an out and out liar just yet.

> But I have a hard time believing this last piece of Rexx'esque informatio=
n when I haven't heard
> it anywhere else.

You just aren't looking very hard, don't keep archives, and depend on
"filtered" archives.  It's not entirely your fault.  Most perodicals
don't keep archived and google-accessible content available online.
You can get such documents through University Microforms and other
Library archive services.  Libraries often pay thousands of dollars
per year to provide patrons with limited (library only) access to
these archives.  Many libraries still have Microfilm or Microfiche
media available.

Look at trade publications around 1997-1999, and 2001-2003 as well as
archives from 1987, 1985, and 1984.

On Jan 25, 2:56=A0am, Peter K=F6hlmann <peter-koehlm...@t-online.de>
wrote:
> Hadron wrote:
> > Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> On Jan 24, 12:38 pm, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I assume you'll provide some proof of this outrageous claim?

I notice that nobody ever requires PROOF of pro-Microsoft claims.
Even though Michael Dell, Carly Fiorina, and Sam Palmisano have all
made public statements about their support for Linux, including IBM's
$billion in support for Linux starting in 1999, people make wild
claims about how OEMs are convinced that NOBODY wants Linux on their
laptops - even though the actual price-erosion do to lack of demand
indicates that machines which do NOT support Linux - don't sell  -
especially to corporate customers.

> Like you provide proof for your outlandish claims? That is, never?

Once in a while I actually take the hours required to look up links -
sometimes I even have book-marks to the documents - which
unfortunately are now pointing to "tombstones" - content no longer
available.

> You would not understand what you "hear" even if explained to you in
> extremely simple terms

I have explained the logic and thinking in pretty simple terms.  We
also have lots of court records.  Unfortunately, even though I get e-
mail updates pointing me to about 200 articles per day (most of which
I try to read if they relate to Microsoft and/or Linux or OSS, most of
those articles "disappear" within a week or two, and most last no
longer than 30 days.

The Conundrum is that I can't publish the actual article, because that
would be a violation of copyright laws.  On the other hand, if I only
publish the link and a paragraph or two, like Roy does, the link is
obsolete within a week or so.

Very convenient that publishers who depend heavily on Microsoft for
Advertising - can rewrite history whenever that Microsoft controlled
advertising revenue is threatened.

> Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 It could be worse, but it'll take time.

On Jan 25, 7:27=A0am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:

> > Hadron wrote:
> Your book does not explain anything. It reiterates your individual
> belief which is provably false almost every time. Any bit shot can stand
> up and pronounce the future as if they were the chosen one . However
> facts prove that Linux is going nowhere fast on the deskop ...
> =A0 =A0-- "Hadron" <hi9tc7$qh...@hadron.eternal-september.org>

The irony is that WinTrolls have been predicting the "Death of Unix"
since the days of MS-DOS 3.3, and the "Death of Linux" almost since
it's release - at least since 1992.  And yet, year after year, all
secondary indicators indicate that Linux growth has exceeded Windows
growth by double or more since 1993.  Furthermore, Linux servers,
Linux appliances, and embedded Linux devices - even with GUI
interfaces, are permeating the marketplace.  Linux/Unix now forms the
backbone of nearly everything a PC does, even though it's the Windows
logo appearing on the task-bar.

Even Microsoft still states every quarter that Linux is still their
greatest single threat to Microsoft profitability.

The OEMs have also discovered that being "Linux Ready", rather than
having Linux pre-installed, significantly impacts the profitability of
a PC, or at least minimizes the losses from sales.

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:52:09 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:
>> 
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> RonB pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:31:18 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And the more you yell then the more we know we own you. Time and
>>>>>> time
>>>>        ==================================================
>>>>>> again you are corrected and humiliated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. Delusions don't count, Hadron. You see, there's a difference
>>>>> between the "real" world and your imaginary world where you're
>>>>> actually relevant.
>>>> 
>>>> It's a kid's game.  See the underlined.
>>>> 
>>>> It is called "Give me attention!".
>>>
>>> Please note who it is the Hadron is talking about with "we"
>>>
>>> It is the filthiest scum imaginable. *All* of them liars, wintrolls or
>>> dishonest filth like Snit Michael Glasser
>>>
>>> And the vilest racists ever to haunt COLA are among them, like
>>> flatfish or DFS
>> 
>> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante anarchists,
>> at
>> least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest pro-Linux posters
>> and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we know, guys like DFS,
>> Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real identity theft (for example).
>> 
>> 
> No, we do *not* know that at all.

Agreed.

> We do know that flatfish has done it several times, and for the others
> it certainly would not be beneath them. After all, Snit Michael Glasser
> and Hadron Quark have nymshifted several times.
> 
> And all of them are filthy enough to do real identity theft if it serves
> them one way or another

Exactly. Real identity theft is only a small step for these arseholes.



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On Jan 25, 7:23=A0am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> Rex Ballard pulled this Usenet boner:

> You can now find (Office Depot/Staples) full-sized notebooks for less mon=
ey
> than some netbooks. =A0These are 15" laptops with "only" 2 Gb RAM.

Compare the price of the Acer notebook (14 inch display - $394 new)
http://tinyurl.com/yh3toh6

 Acer Aspire 1410-8414 - Core 2 Solo 1.4 GHz - 11.6 " - 2 GB Ram - 250
GB HDD   from Acer in Notebooks

At Staples store, the HP Mini Netbook was $399.
That was with 1.66 GB Atom, 1 GB Ram, 250 GB RAM.

http://tinyurl.com/yfc4bsq
At Best Buy - For $349.99

This laptop features a 15.6" CineCrystal LCD widescreen display with
1366 x 768 resolution and ATI Radeon HD 3200 graphics for stunning
movie and gaming detail. Customize multimedia discs with the double-
layer DVD=B1RW/CD-RW drive.

    * Windows 7 Home Premium preloaded
      Which Windows 7 edition is best for you? Compare.

AMD Athlon logo
What's Included

    * Acer Aspire Laptop with AMD Athlon=99 Single-Core Processor
    * 6-cell lithium-ion battery
    * AC power cord
    * AC power adapter
    * Software: NTI Media Maker; Acer Arcade Deluxe; Adobe Reader and
more
    * Owner's manual

Product Features

    * AMD Athlon=99 single-core processor TF-20* with 64-bit platform
      667MHz system bus with Cool'n'Quiet and HyperTransport=99
technologies and Enhanced Virus Protection** for Windows.
    * AMD64 technology
      Provides simultaneous support for 32-bit and 64-bit computing,
including today's 32-bit applications and tomorrow's 64-bit software.
    * 3GB DDR2 memory
      For multitasking power, expandable to 4GB.
    * Multiformat DVD=B1RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support
      Records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video using compatible
DVD+R DL and DVD-R DL media; also supports DVD-RAM
    * 15.6" CineCrystal LCD high-definition widescreen display
      With 1366 x 768 resolution showcases your movies and games in
stunning clarity.
    * 160GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)
      For fast read/write times.
    * ATI Radeon HD 3200 graphics
      Features up to 1919MB of HyperMemory for lush images.
    * Multi-in-1 media reader
      Supports Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick, Memory
Stick PRO and xD-Picture Card formats.
    * 2 high-speed USB 2.0 ports
      For fast digital video, audio and data transfer.
    * Built-in InviLink high-speed wireless LAN (802.11b/g/Draft-N)
      Connect to the Internet without wires.
    * Built-in 10/100 fast Ethernet LAN
      With RJ-45 connector for quick and easy wired Web connection.
    * Weighs 6 lbs. and measures just 1.5" thin
      For easy portability.
    * Good battery life
      Of up to 2 hours and 30 minutes.
    * Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64-bit operating system
preinstalled
      Provides a stable operating platform.
    * Software package included
      With NTI Media Maker, Acer Arcade Deluxe, Adobe Reader and more.
60-day trial version of Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007
included.
    * ENERGY STAR qualified
      Designed to use less energy and meets strict energy efficiency
guidelines set by the Environmental Protection Agency and U.S.
Department of Energy.
    * AMD, AMD Arrow logo, AMD Athlon, AMD PowerNow!, HyperTransport
and combinations thereof are trademarks of Advanced Micro Devices,
Inc.

      *This model number indicates relative software performance among
this AMD processor family.
    * **AMD's Enhanced Virus Protection provides additional protection
against buffer overflow viruses. AMD and its partners strongly
recommend you continue to use third-party anti-virus software as part
of your total security solution.



> You will pay for your sins. =A0If you have already paid, please disregard
> this message.

Terry Porter stated in post ffqdnW_1cYGmvMPWnZ2dnUVZ_uli4p2d@netspace.net.au
on 1/25/10 3:54 PM:

>>> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante anarchists, at
>>> least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest pro-Linux posters and
>>> lie their asses off about them.  As far as we know, guys like DFS, Snit, and
>>> "Hadron" do not engage in real identity theft (for example).
>>> 
>>> 
>> No, we do *not* know that at all.
>> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> We do know that flatfish has done it several times, and for the others it
>> certainly would not be beneath them. After all, Snit Michael Glasser and
>> Hadron Quark have nymshifted several times.
>> 
>> And all of them are filthy enough to do real identity theft if it serves them
>> one way or another
>> 
> Exactly. Real identity theft is only a small step for these arseholes.
> 
Too bad you cannot show examples of my doing as I am accused.

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On Jan 24, 12:38=A0pm, "One Shot, One Kill" <f...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.
Obviously true.  After all, if people don't like a computer all that
much, it's likely to sit on the shelf until it becomes obsolete.  The
manager of the store or even the OEM will have to lower the prices to
clearance prices.  Really unpopular machines often get discounted to
far below cost - simply to get them off the shelves.

Often, it's not obvious which machines will get "stale" like this.
Many retailers and OEMs were surprised when Vista machines equipped
with graphics chips that ONLY supported DirectX-10 graphics for AERO
ended up getting horribly stale.  They were also surprised when
laptops that didn't have DirectX-10 support but were otherwise
completely Linux compatible - were being ordered by corporations in
huge quantities - with XP pre-installed.  Even after the OEMs could no
longer ship pre-installed XP, they were surprised by the number of
customers requesting XP "downgrade" installation media.

> there is no market for desktop linux machines. so they quit trying to sel=
l
> them.

Or possibly they found that even those planning to install desktop
Linux, identified by their lack of orders for additional software such
as MS-Office, WordPerfect, or even AntiVirus software - actually
WANTED the Windows license.

In fact, the OEMs were quite surprised at how many people refused to
purchase machines with Vista, choosing XP instead - because the Vista
Home Premium license did not permit them to run Windows as a virtual
machine under Linux.  When Microsoft altered the license to permit
Home Premium buyers to run Windows as a VM under Linux, the demand for
machines preloaded with Vista Home Premium began to pick up.

> lenovo does not have any linux machines that I could find.

However, ALL of their machines are "Linux Ready" - capable of running
most current Linux distributions with with little or no special
installations, driver installs, or manual command-line configuration.

> checked with dell and they have 3 dusty over priced models with linux but
> nobody is buying them.

Nearly ALL Dell machines are also "Linux Ready" as are most HP brand
machines.  The Compaq machines have been going at fire-sale clearance
prices because many Compaq machines have not been Linux friendly, and
this has led many buyers, especially corporate purchasers, to avoid
Compaq like the plague.

Acer has made sure that ALL Acer brand computers are fully "Linux
Ready" - and it's helped them grow from a small start-up "White Box"
manufacturer to the fourth (just behind Apple by unit volumes) or
third (if you don't count Apple) OEM.

Gateway - who remained fiercely loyal to Windows and spurned Linux and
Linux users suffered losses for several quarters, with the stock
eventually dropping from $30/share to $1.10 per share.  Gateway was
facing delisting when they were purchased by Acer - who had been
consistently making huge profits with their "Linux Ready across all
lines" machines.

> the people have spoken and the oems listened. that is why they no longer
> waste their time selling a inferior desktop os to a non existant market.

Do you have quotes to that effect from any of the CEOs of ALL of the
top 10 PC makers?  How about just the CEOs of DELL, HP, Apple, Acer,
Lenovo, Sony, E-Machines, ASUS, and Toshiba?

Are any of them releasing product volume details of "Linux Ready" vs
"Linux Hostile" machines?

On 2010-01-25, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante anarchists, at
> least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest pro-Linux posters
> and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we know, guys like
> DFS, Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real identity theft (for example).

The reason they don't thieve identities is that they can't cope with the
many identities they already have.


-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

Gregory Shearman stated in post slrnhlsv98.b2l.ZekeGregory@netscape.net on
1/25/10 10:27 PM:

> On 2010-01-25, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante anarchists, at
>> least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest pro-Linux posters
>> and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we know, guys like
>> DFS, Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real identity theft (for example).
> 
> The reason they don't thieve identities is that they can't cope with the
> many identities they already have.
> 
And in my case, I am so good at hiding my multiple identities that you
cannot find any evidence for them.  Man, I am goooood.  :)


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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:27:04 -0600, Gregory Shearman  
<ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote:

>> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante anarchists,  
>> at
>> least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest pro-Linux posters
>> and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we know, guys like
>> DFS, Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real identity theft (for  
>> example).

> The reason they don't thieve identities is that they can't cope with the
> many identities they already have.

To me it seems their main problem is dealing with all the identities they  
are presumed by others to have. I see people in here being accused of  
being someone else as soon as they disagree or get into an argument which  
includes questioning aspect of Linux as an OS and a way of life. To me  
it's really confusing keeping track of who someone think someone else is  
since there's no consistency to the accusations. One minute your are  
someone's sock, the next you are something/someone completely different,  
presumably that is. And now I will prolly bei accused of being someone  
else again also! :)

[Sits back and waits]

-- 
//ceed

On 2010-01-26, ceed <cdposter-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [Sits back and waits]
>

Yep... keep up that waiting, please...

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

Rex Ballard wrote:

>Microsoft's license fees are negotiated with the OEMs.  The "Base
>Price" is pretty much standard, but discounts for making minimum
>commitments, preinstalling Windows on all PCs in the product line, and
>so on, can make it much more attractive to pre-install Windows and NOT
>install Linux - even if the customer placing the order has explicitly
>stated that it is his intent to install Linux on the machines.

Don't forget the "we recommend Micro$oft Windows" marketing
kick-backs.

Yeah, it's a real "level playing field".  Not.

Gregory Shearman wrote:

> Shit wrote:
>>
>> [Sits back and waits]
>>
>
>Yep... keep up that waiting, please...

There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.

-- 
"Have you tried Bing? I quite like it."  -  "True Linux advocate"
Hadron Quark

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante
> anarchists, at least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest
> pro-Linux posters and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we
> know, guys like DFS, Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real
> identity theft (for example).

Except that Snit nymshifted as (Omar Murad Asfour and) Steve Carroll's
Dog, which is identity theft.

http://csma.sandman.net/pages/michael_digest_new_sock_puppet

-- 
HPT

High Plains Thumper wrote:

>Except that Snit nymshifted as (Omar Murad Asfour and) Steve Carroll's
>Dog, which is identity theft.

Now, if it had been "Steve Carroll's dog's shit", it would have been
quite appropriate...

-- 
"Accept the *FACT* that ATI works perfectly with Windows and doesn't
work at all with linux. It's basically the same with all modern
hardware."  -  trolling fsckwit Ezekiel

On Jan 26, 8:39=A0am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Rex Ballard wrote:
> >Microsoft's license fees are negotiated with the OEMs. =A0The "Base
> >Price" is pretty much standard, but discounts for making minimum
> >commitments, preinstalling Windows on all PCs in the product line, and
> >so on, can make it much more attractive to pre-install Windows and NOT
> >install Linux - even if the customer placing the order has explicitly
> >stated that it is his intent to install Linux on the machines.

> Don't forget the "we recommend Micro$oft Windows" marketing
> kick-backs.

That was cleared up in one of the DOJ hearings.  The OEMS need to say
"We reccomend Windows 7 Home Premium" - or whatever the latest version
is.  This is so that people won't think the OEM reccomends something
like Windows 95, Windows 2000, or Windows XP for that PC.  The Judge
gave both Microsoft and the Attorney General the hairy eyeball, but
since the AG wasn't pushing for action, the judge's hands were tied.

> Yeah, it's a real "level playing field". =A0Not.

Microsoft has the ability to point the "loaded gun" at a CEO's head.
They can say "Take our terms, or we disable all of your Windows
licenses".  The same is true for an OEM.  In 1997, Microsoft revoked
ALL licenses for Compaq's Prolinea line - their most popular line.
Compaq had to renegotiate for new license terms.  All because Compaq
had removed the IE icon (they didn't actually remove IE) and put the
Netscape Navigator icon in it's place.  Microsoft's retaliation was
made public - acting as a warning to other OEMs who might have been
thinking about making similar modifications without Microsoft's prior
written permission.

Though the language doesn't explicitly forbid such modifications as
dual-boot, Linux with virtualized Windows, or preinstalling
OpenOffice, Pidgin, Firefox, and Thunderbird.  However, your request
for written permission could end up on the desk of the guy who takes 2
hours per page to read a document, delays the application, goes on
vacation regularly, or otherwise delays approval until after the
market window has closed.

Again, these issues were raised and addressed during DOJ hearings as
well as complaints to the "California Group", and were dismissed as
"without merit" - the practice was confirmed, but was determined to be
reasonable business practice.

Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> writes:

> On Jan 26, 8:39 am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Rex Ballard wrote:
>> >Microsoft's license fees are negotiated with the OEMs.  The "Base
>> >Price" is pretty much standard, but discounts for making minimum
>> >commitments, preinstalling Windows on all PCs in the product line, and
>> >so on, can make it much more attractive to pre-install Windows and NOT
>> >install Linux - even if the customer placing the order has explicitly
>> >stated that it is his intent to install Linux on the machines.
>
>> Don't forget the "we recommend Micro$oft Windows" marketing
>> kick-backs.
>
> That was cleared up in one of the DOJ hearings.  The OEMS need to say
> "We reccomend Windows 7 Home Premium" - or whatever the latest version
> is.  This is so that people won't think the OEM reccomends something
> like Windows 95, Windows 2000, or Windows XP for that PC.  The Judge
> gave both Microsoft and the Attorney General the hairy eyeball, but
> since the AG wasn't pushing for action, the judge's hands were tied.
>
>> Yeah, it's a real "level playing field".  Not.
>
> Microsoft has the ability to point the "loaded gun" at a CEO's head.
> They can say "Take our terms, or we disable all of your Windows
> licenses".  The same is true for an OEM.  In 1997, Microsoft revoked

You "have the ability" to murder young children Rexx. Do you do that?

My god. You and Mark Kent are responsible for global warming the amount
of hot air you expel. You both have a larger carbon footprint than
British Airways and Quantas combined.

Rex Ballard wrote:


> On the other hand, "Linux Hostile" machines, those which do not run
> well, such as Gateways, Compaqs, and such, are typically being sold at
> huge losses.  Linux hostile laptops lost as much as 80% of their
> retail price since the release of Vista.

heh!  What a bullshit lie.




> Many Linux Hostile machines
> that once sold for $2300 and were "top of the line" fell to $500 each
> in less than 6 months, and fell to $400 or even lower, even with
> faster CPUs, more RAM, and bigger hard drives.

Show us one such model.



> Even today, most
> laptops have dropped in price by almost half since the release of
> Windows 7, and this is AFTER being bumped from 3 gig of RAM to 4, and
> from 320 gig hard drives to 500 gig drives.

And yet more bullshit.

chrisv wrote:
> Rex Ballard wrote:
>
>> Microsoft's license fees are negotiated with the OEMs.  The "Base
>> Price" is pretty much standard, but discounts for making minimum
>> commitments, preinstalling Windows on all PCs in the product line,
>> and so on, can make it much more attractive to pre-install Windows
>> and NOT install Linux - even if the customer placing the order has
>> explicitly stated that it is his intent to install Linux on the
>> machines.
>
> Don't forget the "we recommend Micro$oft Windows" marketing
> kick-backs.

Don't forget the "take it please" Linux charity cases.



> Yeah, it's a real "level playing field".  Not.

Of course not.  Linux/OSS people are rank kindergarteners at best compared
to the master developers and marketers at Microsoft.

It could be more of a level playing field if Linux was intrinsically good
enough to allow developers to compete fairly, and charge money for all their
Linux products.

But the code is crap developed by hobbyists and basement-amateurs - then
licensed under the absurd GPL - so it has to be given away for free.  By
definition this is dumping and so distributing open source shitware for $0
should be illegal.

High Plains Thumper stated in post hjmte3$uko$1@news.albasani.net on 1/26/10
7:15 AM:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> Although somewhat true, really, these idiots are penny-ante
>> anarchists, at least here.  Here, all they do is insult the honest
>> pro-Linux posters and lie their asses off about them.  As far as we
>> know, guys like DFS, Snit, and "Hadron" do not engage in real
>> identity theft (for example).
> 
> Except that Snit nymshifted as (Omar Murad Asfour and) Steve Carroll's
> Dog, which is identity theft.
> 
> http://csma.sandman.net/pages/michael_digest_new_sock_puppet

Sandman's "evidence" is that since Omar could read that meant he was me.

Yeah, great evidence.

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chrisv stated in post l6stl5prfs8ch2evrtp9tutvmkhpefi269@4ax.com on 1/26/10
6:42 AM:

> Gregory Shearman wrote:
> 
>> Shit wrote:
>>> 
>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>> 
>> 
>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
> 
> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.

Who?


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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:42:09 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> Shit wrote:
>>>
>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>>
>>
>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
>
> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.
>
What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is fake  
"plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is he  
some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of  
course.

-- 
//ceed

On 2010-01-26, ceed <cdposter-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:42:09 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> Shit wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
>>
>> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.
>>
> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is fake  
> "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is he  
> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of  
> course.

Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv alone.

-- 
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Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

ceed stated in post op.u65p1egg325jvr@christian-laptop on 1/26/10 1:33 PM:

> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:42:09 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>> 
>>> Shit wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
>> 
>> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.
>> 
> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is fake
> "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is he
> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
> course.

Now you have done it... you will be accused of being me.  Just wait.


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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:40:01 -0500, DFS wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> Rex Ballard wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft's license fees are negotiated with the OEMs.  The "Base
>>> Price" is pretty much standard, but discounts for making minimum
>>> commitments, preinstalling Windows on all PCs in the product line, and
>>> so on, can make it much more attractive to pre-install Windows and NOT
>>> install Linux - even if the customer placing the order has explicitly
>>> stated that it is his intent to install Linux on the machines.
>>
>> Don't forget the "we recommend Micro$oft Windows" marketing kick-backs.
> 
> Don't forget the "take it please" Linux charity cases.
> 
> 
> 
>> Yeah, it's a real "level playing field".  Not.
> 
> Of course not.  Linux/OSS people are rank kindergarteners at best
> compared to the master developers and marketers at Microsoft.

AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...

Oh, you were serious?

AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...

> 
> It could be more of a level playing field if Linux was intrinsically
> good enough to allow developers to compete fairly, and charge money for
> all their Linux products.

.... like Red Hat, Novell and IBM ???

and.. you may now show which producer of Linux related products has been 
found to have illegally wielded their monopoly power.
> 
> But the code is crap developed by hobbyists and basement-amateurs - then

.... those would be the hobbyists and base-ment amateurs at IBM, Novell, 
Oracle, Sun, ets?

> licensed under the absurd GPL - so it has to be given away for free.  By

GPLed software can be sold.

> definition this is dumping and so distributing open source shitware for
> $0 should be illegal.

If it is illegal dumping, why hasn't anyone been charged or sued and 
brought to court?

-- 
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Rick stated in post 3oudnZicYPq7P8LWnZ2dnUVZ_tdi4p2d@supernews.com on
1/26/10 7:17 PM:

....
> AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...
> 
> Oh, you were serious?
> 
> AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...

Some day you will think of a meaningful response and not just repeat such
drivel.
....

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chrisv wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
> 
>> Except that Snit nymshifted as (Omar Murad Asfour and) Steve Carroll's
>> Dog, which is identity theft.
> 
> Now, if it had been "Steve Carroll's dog's shit", it would have been
> quite appropriate...

[quote]
But that's not all. The most solid proof is that Omar is posting from the
same IP that posts the Steve Carroll's Dog posts. The thing with the
x-private usenet service is that it encrypts your posting host, not hide
it altogether. So the posting host of Omar is
"$$$lwkkl$ulnwp.news.x-privat.org", which incidentally is the same as
Steve Carroll's Dog. I don't think anyone doubted that "Steve Carroll's
Dog" was Snit, but no one cared enough so Snit had to create a new sock
puppet; enter Omar.

Snit, busted yet again.
[/quote]

http://csma.sandman.net/pages/michael_digest_new_sock_puppet

-- 
HPT

High Plains Thumper stated in post hjogpj$hjg$1@news.eternal-september.org
on 1/26/10 9:52 PM:

> chrisv wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> 
>>> Except that Snit nymshifted as (Omar Murad Asfour and) Steve Carroll's
>>> Dog, which is identity theft.
>> 
>> Now, if it had been "Steve Carroll's dog's shit", it would have been
>> quite appropriate...
> 
> [quote]
> But that's not all. The most solid proof is that Omar is posting from the
> same IP that posts the Steve Carroll's Dog posts. The thing with the
> x-private usenet service is that it encrypts your posting host, not hide
> it altogether. So the posting host of Omar is
> "$$$lwkkl$ulnwp.news.x-privat.org", which incidentally is the same as
> Steve Carroll's Dog. I don't think anyone doubted that "Steve Carroll's
> Dog" was Snit, but no one cared enough so Snit had to create a new sock
> puppet; enter Omar.
> 
> Snit, busted yet again.
> [/quote]
> 
> http://csma.sandman.net/pages/michael_digest_new_sock_puppet

The "evidence" is... "I don't think anyone doubted".

Yeah, that is powerful.

LOL!


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Gregory Shearman wrote:
> ceed wrote:
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>> Shit wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>>> 
>>>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
>>> 
>>> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.
>> 
>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is
>> fake "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or
>> anything. Is he some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self
>> proclaimed that is of course.
> 
> Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv
> alone.

Snit and his socks beg for everyone's attention, hence the only solution
- loony bin.

-- 
HPT

Rick pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:40:01 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Of course not.  Linux/OSS people are rank kindergarteners at best
>> compared to the master developers and marketers at Microsoft.
>
> AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...
>
> Oh, you were serious?
>
> AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...

Indeed.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahhaaaaaaa!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!

That's the funniest thing that snide clown has said since
"If it weren't for Windows, you wouldn't be posting anything now".
(DFS - comp.os.linux.advocacy, Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004)

-- 
Beware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:49:07 -0600, Gregory Shearman  
<ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote:

>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is fake
>> "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is  
>> he
>> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
>> course.
> Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv alone.

I will leave him alone. I didn't know he is that fragile and needs  
protection.

-- 
//ceed

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:53:27 -0600, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>  
wrote:

> ceed stated in post op.u65p1egg325jvr@christian-laptop on 1/26/10 1:33  
> PM:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:42:09 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
>>>
>>> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.
>>>
>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is fake
>> "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is  
>> he
>> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
>> course.
>
> Now you have done it... you will be accused of being me.  Just wait.
>
>
You're too late. I was you before you could warn me I would become you.

-- 
//ceed

On 2010-01-27, ceed <cdposter-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:49:07 -0600, Gregory Shearman  
><ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is fake
>>> "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is  
>>> he
>>> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
>>> course.
>> Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv alone.
>
> I will leave him alone. I didn't know he is that fragile and needs  
> protection.

chrisv can look after himself. I mention your attitude towards other
linux advocates as some small advice. Take it or leave it.

What's up with *you*?

What's the point of you being here? You aren't advocating Linux.



-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

Gregory Shearman wrote:

> On 2010-01-27, ceed <cdposter-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:49:07 -0600, Gregory Shearman
>><ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is
>>>> fake "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or
>>>> anything. Is he
>>>> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
>>>> course.
>>> Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv alone.
>>
>> I will leave him alone. I didn't know he is that fragile and needs
>> protection.
> 
> chrisv can look after himself. I mention your attitude towards other
> linux advocates as some small advice. Take it or leave it.
> 
> What's up with *you*?
> 
> What's the point of you being here? You aren't advocating Linux.
> 

Well, would be hard to do as a Snit sock. He is completely occupied with 
defending Snot Michael Glasser, in each and every idiocy that moron posts
-- 
Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you with experience...

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:06:52 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Rick pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:40:01 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Of course not.  Linux/OSS people are rank kindergarteners at best
>>> compared to the master developers and marketers at Microsoft.
>>
>> AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...
>>
>> Oh, you were serious?
>>
>> AHa ahha AHha HHAh hahhahahah AHha haha ah ha ...
> 
> Indeed.

Yet another witticism from DooFu$! LMAO 

> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahhaaaaaaa!
> 
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!
> 
> That's the funniest thing that snide clown has said since "If it weren't
> for Windows, you wouldn't be posting anything now". (DFS -
> comp.os.linux.advocacy, Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004)

Damn, but it's funny how the Linux/OSS "rank kindergarteners" can beat M$
hands down when it comes to supercomputers!

Peter K�hlmann stated in post hjpfve$ge3$02$1@news.t-online.com on 1/27/10
6:44 AM:

> Gregory Shearman wrote:
> 
>> On 2010-01-27, ceed <cdposter-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:49:07 -0600, Gregory Shearman
>>> <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is
>>>>> fake "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or
>>>>> anything. Is he
>>>>> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
>>>>> course.
>>>> Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv alone.
>>> 
>>> I will leave him alone. I didn't know he is that fragile and needs
>>> protection.
>> 
>> chrisv can look after himself. I mention your attitude towards other
>> linux advocates as some small advice. Take it or leave it.
>> 
>> What's up with *you*?
>> 
>> What's the point of you being here? You aren't advocating Linux.
>> 
> 
> Well, would be hard to do as a Snit sock. He is completely occupied with
> defending Snot Michael Glasser, in each and every idiocy that moron posts

Gee, ceed... you are being called my sock.  Did I not predict that.  :)


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High Plains Thumper stated in post hjp2s2$sla$1@news.eternal-september.org
on 1/27/10 3:00 AM:

> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>> ceed wrote:
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>>> Shit wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
>>>> 
>>>> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.
>>> 
>>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is
>>> fake "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or
>>> anything. Is he some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self
>>> proclaimed that is of course.
>> 
>> Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv
>> alone.
> 
> Snit and his socks beg for everyone's attention, hence the only solution
> - loony bin.

Your paranoia will lead you there.

By the way, I predicted the "advocates" would start to call ceed my sock...
he made sense... *anyone* who posts things that make sense is called my sock
by at least some "advocates".


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ceed stated in post op.u66x5qxb325jvr@christian-laptop on 1/27/10 5:26 AM:

> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:53:27 -0600, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> ceed stated in post op.u65p1egg325jvr@christian-laptop on 1/26/10 1:33
>> PM:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:42:09 -0600, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Shit wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Sits back and waits]
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep... keep up that waiting, please...
>>>>> 
>>>> There's room in the bozo bin for Shit and all his socks.
>>>> 
>>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is fake
>>> "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is  he
>>> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
>>> course.
>>> 
>> Now you have done it... you will be accused of being me.  Just wait.
>>
> You're too late. I was you before you could warn me I would become you.

The you-who's are very predictable in COLA.  :)

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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:39:23 -0600, Gregory Shearman  
<ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote:

> On 2010-01-27, ceed <cdposter-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:49:07 -0600, Gregory Shearman
>> <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> What's up with this chrisv guy? The only I thing I see from him is  
>>>> fake
>>>> "plonks" and paranoid assumptions. There's no opinions or anything. Is
>>>> he
>>>> some kind of COLA make believe body guard? Self proclaimed that is of
>>>> course.
>>> Look to your *own* comments. What's up with *you*? Leave chrisv alone.
>>
>> I will leave him alone. I didn't know he is that fragile and needs
>> protection.
>
> chrisv can look after himself. I mention your attitude towards other
> linux advocates as some small advice. Take it or leave it.
>
> What's up with *you*?
>
> What's the point of you being here? You aren't advocating Linux.

I am constantly doing that, but I'm not a blindsided Linux proponent. I  
want Linux to succeed since it has been my main OS for over ten years. I  
have seen great improvement and success the last few years. That is why I  
am here, not to be part of a choir singing an ode to Linux.
>
>
>

-- 
//ceed

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:02:01 -0600, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>  
wrote:

>> Well, would be hard to do as a Snit sock. He is completely occupied with
>> defending Snot Michael Glasser, in each and every idiocy that moron  
>> posts
> Gee, ceed... you are being called my sock.  Did I not predict that.

LOL ok, please don't wear me out, literally.


-- 
//ceed

ceed stated in post op.u67tbban325jvr@christian-laptop on 1/27/10 4:39 PM:

> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:02:01 -0600, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>> Well, would be hard to do as a Snit sock. He is completely occupied with
>>> defending Snot Michael Glasser, in each and every idiocy that moron
>>> posts
>> Gee, ceed... you are being called my sock.  Did I not predict that.
> 
> LOL ok, please don't wear me out, literally.
> 
If I do, can I say "Darn, I wore out my sock!"  :)


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On Jan 24, 4:03=A0pm, 7 <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
> pounding the sock One Shot, One Kill wrote on behalf of Half Wits from
> Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:

> > the oems make money selling computers people want to buy.

And Linux users buy machines that have Windows preinstalled.

> > there is no market for desktop linux machines.

More accurately - Linux users would rather install their favorite
distribution than be bound to a stripped-down version provided by the
OEM.

> One blank and one pre-mature ejactitation from a micoshaftee
> fanboi paid to asstroturf on its behalf.

> You been claiming that since when fanboi?

WinTrolls in this group have been predicting the death of Linux since
about 1995, and Microsoft has been predicting the death of *nix since
about 1983.  Every version MS-DOS was supposed to be the "Unix Killer"
and every version of Windows since Windows 3.11 was supposed to be the
"Linux Killer".  Microsoft announced NT 3.0 vaporware as "a better
Unix than Unix".  At the time he was referring to Sun's newly
announced Solaris based IPC Lunchbox and SLC Pizza Box.  Adding 1 X11
terminal brought the cost of the Sun to less than $3000 per seat, and
Windows 3.1 cost about $3500 per seat.  The Sun could actually support
up to 4 X-terminals, quite easily.

By the time Microsoft announced NT, Linux had already been posted on
the FSF site, and the GNU project had ported most UNIX apps and X11 to
Linux.  By January of 1993, you could get an "ammo box" of 100 3.5
inch floppy disks to load Linux.  About 2 months later, you could get
a CD-ROM to eliminate the manual disk flipping.  SLS Linux had a
default screen saver that said "Avoid the 'Gates' of Hell - Use
Linux".

Microsoft was concerned enough that when Walt Mossberg of the Wall
Street Journal wrote a mildly positive review of Linux, Microsoft
pulled a full page ad, telling the management that if Dow Jones liked
Linux so much, Linux could pay for the ad.

Microsoft wasn't that worried about competing with a $7,000 UNIX
workstation, but when Linux started popping up on discarded 80386 and
80486 SX/50 machines, AND was offering better performance, stability,
reliability, and security, that was a problem for Microsoft.

> Dell still got more PCs on offer than ever before you started
> ranting and make bucket loads of money selling Linux.

Dell, HP, Acer, and Lenovo are all acutely aware that a substantial
number of their PC customers are running Linux on the machine.  Each
company has limited support for Linux, and there are some tell-tale
signs that the customer intends to run Linux, like purchasing extra
memory, extra hard drive, and installation media for Windows XP.

Many Linux users have been buying Windows NetBooks, not because they
want windows so badly, but because they can install their favorite
version(s) of Linux on the real hard drive, and the 1 Gig of RAM.

And of course, Dell, HP, Acer, and Lenovo are eyeballing Apple's
profit margin, compared to the losses they have been experiencing,
especially on "Windows only" devices, and are itching to find a way to
tap into the Linux market in a way that gives them the ability to make
40-60% profit margins like Apple does.

HP and Dell announce that some of their products will be offered with
Linux about 4 times a year.  It's not that they actually plan to sell
these machines without Windows.  It's their way of telling buyers that
they can buy these machines and install Linux themselves and
everything including the 3D graphics, WiFi, cellular, and storage will
work perfectly.

> So do most mainstream hardware suppliers
> switching over to Linux phones, Linux Android tablets, and
> they of course shipping 33% of all netbooks.

And then of course, there are the millions of Linux CDs shipped with
books, magazines, mother boards, and PCs.

> A lot of CN manufacturers have now entered the desktop PC market
> as a commodity with commodity pricing.

Actually the United States is one of the few markets where you can't
go into the popular retail stores and buy a "NO-OS" machine.  These
machines are specifically designed to run Linux.  The US courts are
have let Microsoft sue OEMs and demand full retail price for promoting
piracy - this based on the Napster case as a precedent.

> 75% of Linux is now written and supported by corporate paid developers.

And the other 25% are professionals supporting corporate developers
who don't want OSS contributions credited to them out of fear of
liability or retailiation from Microsoft.

> And your post is a purile attempt to compete with Linux
> without a working desktop micoshaft product.

Windows 7 works.  It's better than Vista (but then so was XP).
Still to be resolved though:
Is Windows 7 better than Windows XP?
Is Windows 7 better than a Mac?
Is Windows 7 alone better than a PC running Linux AND Windows XP?
Is Windows 7 alone better than a PC running Linux AND Windows 7?
Is Windows 7 alone better than a PC running Linux alone?

To answer that, we have to look at those things that ONLY Windows 7
can do.

MS-Office 2007 and 2010 - Will corporate and professionals be willing
to spend all of the time and money to upgrade to Windows 7, MS-Office
2007 knowing that MS-Office 2010 will render MS-Office 2007 obsolete?
Keep in mind that the cost of these upgrades isn't just the hardware
and software - it's the cost of professional installers, license
administration, registration of users, backup of personal and
corporate information, installation itself or replacement of a working
PC with another only marginally better PC, restoration of information
to the new system, configuration of 3rd party software and personal
preferences, and re-entering forms, shortcuts, and other "Lost"
information embedded in the guts of Windows registries and other
proprietary files.

Then comes the question of RETURN on this investment.

Will Windows 7 run faster?
Probably not.  It needs more memory and hard drive, and still uses the
NTFS file system which limits overall performance of the system.  Most
users are already running Windows XP on 2 gig or 3 gig dual-core
processors with accelerated 3G graphics.  Windows 7 will use more of
that memory for "dead code" and will have even more registry values
and file I/O and network I/O due to the larger libraries and
application code.

Will Windows 7 be more secure?
Probably not.  Most experts are still recommending that Windows 7
users get a good 3rd party Anti-Virus package such as Norton-360 or
McCaffee.  These provide Anti-Virus, firewall, and malware detection
and removal.  The filters are updated at least once a week, and can
generally clean up machines even after they've been infected.

Will Windows 7 be more stable?
Probably not - Windows XP has become pretty stable these days.  If it
suddenly became unstable, it's highly likely that customers would
suspect that Microsoft was sabatoging their own product in an attempt
to force Windows XP users to upgrade to Windows 7.  While the tactic
might work for some customers, many large corporate customers got so
burned during the release of Windows XP that they have formulated
plans to migrate to Linux if Microsoft attempts a forced upgrade such
as this again.

Will Windows 7 be more functional?
There are no real "Killer Apps" for Windows 7.  At the same time,
Linux has several "killer apps" such as SecondLife viewers, the
OpenOffice suite, and a variety of collaboration tools based on those
used by the teams that developed the Linux kernel, libraries, and
thousands of Linux applications.

Will Windows 7 lower software costs?
Actually, the opposite - 3rd party software will have to be upgraded
or repurchased, even Microsoft applications, license packs, and
support programs will have to be upgraded - with an increase in
recurring costs.


> The joke is still on micoshaft crocporation to produce
> desktop PCs cheaper than Linux.

Actually, Windows makes PCs cheaper than those capable of running
Linux.  Since there is almost no significant difference in the
performance between most PCs running Windows 7 (due to the intense
disk I/O), the machines that ONLY run Windows generally costs more to
produce - and are generally harder to sell.  Machines that are ready
to run Linux with fully supported hardware so that everything works
automatically or with minimal GUI configuration - tend to sell for
much higher prices, even though they are cheaper to produce.  In
addition, since Linux users often want to run XP as a virtual client,
they are more likely to purchase extra RAM.  Often they will want to
purchase a second hard drive and a carrier that will allow them to
boot from the alternate drive (which boots into Linux) or they will
want to save the Windows 7 drive in case they need warranty support on
the hardware.  These extra devices are usually sold at a higher
profit.  Linux users will also be inclined to go for faster drives,
such as 7200 RPM SATA-II drives - since Linux can actually exploit the
3 gigabit/second transfer speeds.

What Linux users DON'T order is Microsoft Office, Visio, Project, and
Quicken.  These applications could be run under virtualized XP and
wouldn't need to be upgraded. The virtual images are easier to back-up
than native mode Windows, and the backups are very reliable.

What Linux users ARE likely to purchase is support services,
especially extended hardware replacement plans, since they get
software support from the Linux distributor and problems that can't be
resolved are nearly ALWAYS hardware related problems.  Insurance
against a broken fan, broken LCD, or keyboard that has had soda-pop
spilled on it is a good investment in "peace of mind".  You know there
is a 99% chance that you'll never need it, but if the graphics chip
overheads because the fan got loaded with dust after two year on your
favorite woolly pants and sweater, next to your crackers, cookies, and
soda - it's nice to know that you can swap out for a reconditioned
machine that has a new graphics chip.

> It is worthwhile for everyone to learn Linux.
> Searchwww.youtube.comfor compiz and linux and you begin
> to see how the other half live a world apart
> and more advanced than micoshaftees.

Linux is easy enough for very non-technical people to use.  At the
same time, those who really want to know how a computer works can get
as much information as they like.  Even if they can't get the source
to DB/2, they can learn how databases really work by looking at open
source code like MySQL and PostGreSQL.  Even if they want to see how
graphics editors like Power Point work, they can look at the source to
Open Office Presents.

Bill Gates has already retired.  Several other of the "greats" at
Microsoft have already cashed in and moved on.  Paul Allen is almost
completely gone.  Nathan Myrvold is also gone.  Others have moved out
of the technical and into more business and legal related executive
duties.

At some point, Microsoft will be completely at the mercy of a handful
of elite Vunderkids who think they are indespensible - much like the
guys who supported MVS back in 1992 - and were suddenly terminated -
leaving a vacuum of expertise for a while.  Many of these guys had to
be hired back for Y2K - at 4 times the hourly rate.

> Here is some guidance to go practice your Linux
> to achieve similar results with 3D translucent Linux Desktop.

If your really want to look at the trends in software that are likely
in 2010, take a look at the Emerald Viewer for Linux.  Compare it to
the SecondLife viewer for Windows.  The Windows version is slow,
jerky, and in most cases looks more like a sequence of stills at about
4 frames per second.  The Linux version of Emerald looks more like a
movie running 30 frames per second (or faster) with the ability to get
remarkably good detail as you pan around the room, looking at objects
as you walk by them, and as you dance looking at other people dancing
using mouse-look.

Imagine a company like QVC setting up "stores" where you could look at
real designs of real clothes using an avitar that has your real
measurements, including waist, hips, thighs, calves, and feet.  You
could also get real color approximating the color of your real hair
and face by comparing them to a photograph.  Then you could actually
model the items you like best, buying virtual clothes with Lindens,
then picking REAL versions of your favorites, paying for them with
real dollars.

Fashion designers are already taking inspirations from Second Life,
and are even test-marketing designs there, offering virtual clothing
that almost exactly matches designs they can actually mass-produce.

There are even concept cars that are being shown in SL that may be
available for actual sale in real life within 2-3 years.  You can even
design buildings, including all the interior decorating - using items
that can be purchased in real life now, or in the future.

And that's just ONE application that Linux makes possible and Windows
can't.

> Converting an ISO file to a bootable USB stick or a bootable
> SD Card for EEE is easy.

The most important thing about that bootable USB stick is that you can
test a PC or laptop to know, for certain, whether a computer you are
purchasing will work with your favorite Linux distributions.  Lately,
most retailers have been locking down the DVD drive to prevent
shoppers from running the "Knoppix test".  The "Thumb Drive" test can
be done without making ANY ugly modifications to the hard drive.  And
most retailers are not going to want to block off the USB ports on all
4 sides of the machine.  And then there's that SDHD slot...

> Without being able to convert a distro into a bootable USB flash /SD Card=
,
> that distro can't be easily loaded into netbook like EEE
> and stand to miss out on users installing it into netbooks.

Flash/SD distributions are also perfect for people who have to move
between different machines at different locations.  Rather than try to
sort out some user's crazy windows settings, you plug in the thumb
drive, bring up Linux, get connected, and you have all your favorite
apps, personal files, and private information ready to go.  Add an
external USB drive and you can pretty much do anything you want.

This is also handy when you want to review documents or make notes on
your netbook while you are travelling, then want to have access to the
full power of a full sized notebook when you are working in an office,
hotel, or from your couch at home.

> So I would recommend all distro mainters look at their netbook
> boot strategy and offer something to boot their distros
> from USB flash and SD cards or miss out on users installing it into
> netbooks.

Most top distributions now have a solid "floor to ceiling" strategy.
They can boot from the DVD, install to a thumb drive or USB drive, and
can support dual 1080p monitors, remote X11 servers, remote access
Windows systems, and then plug into a netbook where they can run a
1024x768 display on a 10 inch screen with a keyboard and screen that
fit nicely in the "coach" seat of an airplane.

There are also teleconferencing services such as Unyte, which allow
Windows and Linux users to take turns presenting with minimal effort.

> Having done a few conversions, a pattern emerges that works well for
> most syslinux / isolinux / extlinux based distros.

One of the big challenges for the OEMs is trying to figure out how to
package Linux and Windows together.  Should they pre-install Ubuntu?
Red Hat? Fedora? SUSE? something else?  Should they install "the
works" or just "the basics"?  How can they make sure that a computer
sitting on the shelves for 2 months doesn't become obsolete because a
new version of Linux came out?  Or a new distribution?

And the Final barrier is Microsoft - who still refuses to permit OEMs
to install Windows and Linux on the same PC in a configuration that
will allow both to run at the same time.

On the other hand, the Linux community has already figured out how to
install Linux on a machine that has been preconfigured with Windows 7,
shrinking the Windows partition, adding Linux partitions, and
configuring a boot manager such as grub, so that the user can boot
into Windows when absolutely necessary.  In additon, using Xen,
Virtual Box, or other virtualization software, it's possible to run
Windows as a Linux application.

The irony is that Windows running as a Linux application actually runs
faster than Windows running in native mode.  This is because the Linux
file system is easier to buffer, easier to cache, and has better
memory management.