On Sunday, March 20, 2011 9:00:29 AM UTC-4, flatfish+++ wrote:
Another misguided attempt to base conclusions on the flawed Statcounter sta=
Statcounter requires certain settings which Linux normally blocks (such as =
cross-sight certificates and cookies. Requires Linux systems to give non-s=
tandard signatures (systems with X11 as first entry are not counted), and c=
ounts Linux only if it's the ONLY OS on the IP address for the entire sampl=
So, for example, if I spend the entire day working on Linux, and my wife co=
mes home and plays pogo for an hour, my NAT router gets counted as a Window=
s IP address and the Linux devices (all 3 of them) never get counted.
> "Linux has been around for almost last 20 years now. It has become a
> resounding success as a server OS (for example as the L in the famous
> LAMP stack), and more recently as a mobile OS (Android). But what about
> on the desktop?
The "Desktop" is almost as antique as an "adding machine". Most people use=
laptops these days.
But if you DO have a laptop that is running Windows 7, and you purchased it=
recently, you may find that you are actually running as many as 4 Linux sy=
stems to support it. The flat-panel display is probably running embedded L=
inux. If you are connected to a Router or WiFi hub - that's probably runni=
ng Linux, and if you have an external hard drive, or network attached hard =
drive, that's probably running Linux.
And the big hoot, you Motherboard's BIOS, may actually be Linux!
But because you see the Windows logo on the desktop in that bottom left cor=
ner, you assume that you are ONLY using Linux.
Today, about the ONLY thing people use "Pure Windows" for, is those Word, E=
xcel, and PowerPoint slides, and even those are losing favor as Office 2010=
keep spitting out crap that Office 2003 users can't read, and the Virus ch=
ecker and security engines block attachments in the docx, xlsx, and pptx fo=
rmats - because they are so easily loaded with viruses.
It used to take some talent to plant a virus, but now you can imbed the mal=
icious code into the zip file created by the xlsx document - and Windows ca=
n't distinguish the binaries - and will simply execute the binary executabl=
According to another flawed survey that undercounts Linux,
2011 Win7 Vista Win2003 WinXP W2000 Linux Mac
February 32.2% 8.3% 1.0% 44.2% 0.2% 5.1% 8.1%
January 31.1% 8.6% 1.0% 45.3% 0.2% 5.0% 7.8%
2010 Win7 Vista Win2003 WinXP W2000 Linux Mac
December 29.1% 8.9% 1.1% 47.2% 0.2% 5.0% 7.3%
November 28.5% 9.5% 1.1% 47.0% 0.2% 5.0% 7.7%
And according to Microsoft's Steve Ballmer, Linux is as big as Mac.
Linux is typically undercounted for two reasons. First, most Linux users us=
e NAT firewalls to enhance security. In some cases, the Linux desktop IS t=
he NAT router. In other cases, they share a connection using Windows - whi=
ch acts as a NAT router. Since NAT routers are generally connected to cabl=
e or fiber connections, the connections are live 24/7 for weeks or months, =
without changing IP addresses. Windows users on the other hand, frequently=
make use of dial-up and cellular connections, which means the same compute=
r can cycle through several IP addresses in an hour.
All an IP address counter such as Statmarket and W3Schools counts is which =
provided has the most IP addresses - and of course the dial-up and cellular=
providers NEED a lot more IP addresses.
Linux users behind CORPORATE firewalls would disappear completely, especial=
ly in the StatMarket survey.
Counters that count number of packets per platform would also undercount Li=
nux, because Linux users often use Squid - which caches pages and images fo=
r days, weeks, or months, and doesn't need to do refresh as often - while W=
indows pre-fetches pages that never get viewed and refresh every time a pag=
e is accessed.
To make things really confusing, the same PC could be running BOTH Windows =
and Linux, at the same time, using the same IP address - and statmarket wou=
ld only see Windows.
The argument is that if you have 1 Linux system and 1,000 Windows systems, =
then counting 1 Linux and 1 Windows system for that IP address would be und=
> In 2003, Siemens Business Systems predicted that Linux would have
> captured 20% of the desktop market by 2008.
In 2003, there were no netbooks, no tablets, and no virtualization.
Shortly after that announcement was made, Microsoft decided that this was a=
real possibility, and brokered a deal that made Daryl McBride the CEO of C=
aldera/SCO, and then brokered funding for a lawsuit claiming that IBM had p=
irated software it gave to Linux.
Years later, it turned out that SCO didn't even own Linux, McBride hand bee=
n told by his top advisors that the lawsuit would be fraudulent, and IBM as=
ked the judge NOT to drop a few claims, because they wanted to prove that I=
BM owned the property in question, and that ALL parties financially contrib=
uting to the lawsuit, including Microsoft and Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer =
personally, should be held liable for damages caused by knowingly funding a=
nd filing a fraudulent lawsuit. IBM is still waiting for the Bankruptcy co=
urt to finish it's work (since IBM would have to split winnings from it's c=
laims with all other creditors if it filed the lawsuit before the bankruptc=
y as adjudicated).
Until the facts came out however, companies who were plagued by problems re=
lated to Windows XP Service Pack 2, and who were ready to take a serious lo=
ok at Linux - were scared off enough to hold of the transition.
The OEMs, who had been hopeful that Judge Kollar-Kotelly would enforce the =
clauses of the settlement that would stop Microsoft from interfering with s=
ales of Linux on PCs - filed numerous complaints with the California group.=
Over 7,000 complaints were filed, but the Bush administration, who got a =
huge campaign contribution from Microsoft and it's executives through Jack =
Abramov charities - blocked all of these complaints, which tied the judge's=
hands. On several occasions, the Judge even chastised the Bush team for w=
hat she considered obstruction - but without a motion from the Attorney Gen=
eral, her hands were tied.
> Well, I think that was
> dirtiest prediction and also it is. Because, it=CE=BF=CE=8F=C2=BDs now 20=
10, and desktop
> Linux isn=CE=BF=CE=8F=C2=BDt even close to 20%. Or one tenth of that. Lol=
z. Do you know
> that Linux is safest OS ever. ha ha ha..!"
How do you know? Because StatMarket says so? And they say so in a "Free" =
survey, using methods that were described 10 years ago, and are no longer p=
ublicly documented (because the flaws above were identified)?
If you want some "real" numbers, you might want to talk to companies like Y=
ahoo, Google, and Facebook. Google's last publication of Linux market shar=
e, in 2002, which counted registered users based on IP address, log-in name=
, and operating system - counted Linux at 17%.
If we assume that the W3Schools represents only those PCs which are running=
Linux exclusively, and we assume that only 7% of all Linux users use Linux=
exclusively, then that 4% could be 40% - which would include all of those =
who use Linux AND Windows in some combination on one or more machines in du=
al machine, dual boot, and virtualization options.
And then we have all the other GUI devices running Linux. Android devices =
are being licensed at the rate of 350,000 per day. Kindle sold 7 million d=
evices. Android tablets of numerous types are now being sold by a number o=
f different vendors for companies like Borders, Barnes & Noble, and Amazon.=
And there are the "white paper" readers such as the Sony e-book, Nook, an=
d so on.
Then there are the HDTV sets and picture frames which use Linux.
But Microsoft advocates want to keep narrowing the parameters of the survey=
, and protect the illusion that "Linux is far too complicated for mere mort=
als to use". My Wife just got here Droid 2 and she loves it so much she wo=
n't even let me touch it.
I'm looking for a Verizon 4G phone that has a physical keyboard. Either th=
at or I'll have to grow pointy fingernails so I can type on that tiny keybo=
> "The sad truth is, Linux on the desktop has so far failed to really take
> off. Linux hasn=CE=BF=CE=8F=C2=BDt even been able to claim a single perce=
nt of the
> desktop OS market.
Would you bet your house on that?
Steve Ballmer has much more at stake, and HE says you are wrong. He puts L=
inux at the same level as Mac, roughly 7-8% of the market. And with Linux,=
you have to remember to double the actual count, since most of those devic=
es are running Windows AND Linux - putting Linux closer to 14%.
And this is with Microsoft spending nearly $12 billion is legal costs, sett=
lements, and publicity, as well as controlling the content and placement of=
nearly $40 billion in advertising that uses Microsoft trademarks. Microso=
ft hasn't actually officially stated that they can't mention Linux and Wind=
ows in the same ad, or product description on the retail shelf display card=
- but since Microsoft has to review and give written approval - and all co=
ntent that mentions Linux goes to a lawyer who plays golf and plays video g=
ames all day 5 days a week, there is almost no chance that you will get an =
approval before your window of opportunity closes.
And Microsoft has gone so far as to tell companies like Target that they ha=
d to lock up the boxed ASUS EEE 4G NetBooks that ran Linux, and only the ma=
nager could have the key, and the customer was not allowed to power up the =
device in the store. If you wanted to buy an ASUS EEE 4G PC, or an Acer As=
pire that ran Linux, you might have to wait 3-4 hours to get the right mana=
ger to get the right key and pull out the sealed box - and you had to pay f=
or it and leave the store before you could actually see what you had bought=
.. I tried to buy one at Target, but gave up after 2 hours.
> Here is the current desktop OS market share distribution, by
Every month, some WcinTroll, usually DFS, pulls up the StatCounter survey a=
s "proof" that Linux has this rediculously small market share. According t=
o this survey, there would only be 2 million Linux users world-wide. That'=
s fewer than all of the Registered users for Red Hat Enterprise Linux who h=
ave paid $150 per copy.
Perhaps StatMarket has based their survey on how many PCs are sold with Lin=
ux preinstalled - by the ORIGINAL manufacturer.