First, on my new home workstation/server, I had a really weird problem.
The second time I would burn a CD or DVD after a boot, the burn would stop,
and then the system would go black, and freeze up *hard*.  I ran memtest86+,
checked the ECC options in the BIOS, etc.  While in the BIOS, though, I
noticed that the DVD drive, which was shown as present earlier, was now
shown as *gone*.  I took an older DVD drive from an unused system, set it as
master, set the old drive as slave, and replaced the IDE cable with the new
one that came with the ASUS motherboard.  Phew.  That fixed it.  I want to
eventually test out the slave drive to see if it crapped out somehow.  My
prime suspect, though, is the IDE cable.

Second, yesterday my old customer-provided laptop shit the bed during an
aptitude update of the initrd image.  The laptop beeped, the word "Killed"
appeared, and that console was frozen.  When I rebooted, got a kernel stack
trace, as I kind of expected.  Doh!

I've decided to slick that thing completely and install Gentoo.  I was able
to boot to an older kernel and copy off a bunch of stuff, including the XP
virtual machine (patched for full on-site security compliance).

Annoying, but a good excuse to get rid of the unused XP partition completely
and to get back into using Gentoo.

As for the initrd update crapping out, I'm not sure what happened.  Had
plenty of virtual memory, I believe.

-- 
Nothing, nothing, nothing, no error, no crime is so absolutely repugnant
to God as everything which is official; and why? because the official is
so impersonal and therefore the deepest insult which can be offered to a
personality.
		-- Soren Kierkegaard

Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
> 
> First, on my new home workstation/server, I had a really weird
> problem.  The second time I would burn a CD or DVD after a boot, the
> burn would stop, and then the system would go black, and freeze up
> *hard*.  I ran memtest86+, checked the ECC options in the BIOS, etc.
> While in the BIOS, though, I noticed that the DVD drive, which was
> shown as present earlier, was now shown as *gone*.  I took an older
> DVD drive from an unused system, set it as master, set the old drive
> as slave, and replaced the IDE cable with the new one that came with
> the ASUS motherboard.  Phew.  That fixed it.

I had a system that would spontaneously reset under load, no matter what
OS was running. I was absolutely convinced it had to be the CPU
overheating, but nothing I did (new HSF, fresh heat compound) made the
slightest difference. So then I changed my mind and decided it had to be
the PSU producing irregular voltages on one of the rails. One very
expensive PSU later, and no change. Finally, one day I'm sitting on the
floor next to the PC, with the case open, scratching my chin over the
problem. I reset all the cards in their slots, checked all the cables,
made sure there was good airflow, etc., then switched it on with the
case still open. One of the IDE cables was sticking out a little bit
beyond the opening, and as I put the side back on the case, it slightly
knocked the cable. The PC spontaneously reset.

It turns out that under high load the fans run faster, moving air with
greater force through the case, and that force was enough to just
slightly twitch an IDE cable with a loose wire. Bang! Reset.

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Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky   | 1. Ancient African word meaning
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 22 days  |    'I can't configure Debian'

"Homer" <usenet@slated.org> schreef in bericht 
news:n07gq7-9t6.ln1@sky.matrix...
> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>
>> First, on my new home workstation/server, I had a really weird
>> problem.  The second time I would burn a CD or DVD after a boot, the
>> burn would stop, and then the system would go black, and freeze up
>> *hard*.  I ran memtest86+, checked the ECC options in the BIOS, etc.
>> While in the BIOS, though, I noticed that the DVD drive, which was
>> shown as present earlier, was now shown as *gone*.  I took an older
>> DVD drive from an unused system, set it as master, set the old drive
>> as slave, and replaced the IDE cable with the new one that came with
>> the ASUS motherboard.  Phew.  That fixed it.
>
> I had a system that would spontaneously reset under load, no matter what
> OS was running. I was absolutely convinced it had to be the CPU
> overheating, but nothing I did (new HSF, fresh heat compound) made the
> slightest difference. So then I changed my mind and decided it had to be
> the PSU producing irregular voltages on one of the rails. One very
> expensive PSU later, and no change. Finally, one day I'm sitting on the
> floor next to the PC, with the case open, scratching my chin over the
> problem. I reset all the cards in their slots, checked all the cables,
> made sure there was good airflow, etc., then switched it on with the
> case still open. One of the IDE cables was sticking out a little bit
> beyond the opening, and as I put the side back on the case, it slightly
> knocked the cable. The PC spontaneously reset.
>
> It turns out that under high load the fans run faster, moving air with
> greater force through the case, and that force was enough to just
> slightly twitch an IDE cable with a loose wire. Bang! Reset.
>
lol Life is good, while sittin' behind my beautiful, flawlessly working, 
Windows 7 PC and see [H]omer (aka [M]oron) blabbering to Chris about crappy 
hardware on his brand new home workstation/server and not taking in 
consideration that the OS, might be the cause of his problem. :-p 

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 22:02:35 +0100, Clogwog wrote:

> "Homer" <usenet@slated.org> schreef in bericht 
> news:n07gq7-9t6.ln1@sky.matrix...
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>
>>> First, on my new home workstation/server, I had a really weird
>>> problem.  The second time I would burn a CD or DVD after a boot, the
>>> burn would stop, and then the system would go black, and freeze up
>>> *hard*.  I ran memtest86+, checked the ECC options in the BIOS, etc.
>>> While in the BIOS, though, I noticed that the DVD drive, which was
>>> shown as present earlier, was now shown as *gone*.  I took an older
>>> DVD drive from an unused system, set it as master, set the old drive
>>> as slave, and replaced the IDE cable with the new one that came with
>>> the ASUS motherboard.  Phew.  That fixed it.
>>
>> I had a system that would spontaneously reset under load, no matter what
>> OS was running. I was absolutely convinced it had to be the CPU
>> overheating, but nothing I did (new HSF, fresh heat compound) made the
>> slightest difference. So then I changed my mind and decided it had to be
>> the PSU producing irregular voltages on one of the rails. One very
>> expensive PSU later, and no change. Finally, one day I'm sitting on the
>> floor next to the PC, with the case open, scratching my chin over the
>> problem. I reset all the cards in their slots, checked all the cables,
>> made sure there was good airflow, etc., then switched it on with the
>> case still open. One of the IDE cables was sticking out a little bit
>> beyond the opening, and as I put the side back on the case, it slightly
>> knocked the cable. The PC spontaneously reset.
>>
>> It turns out that under high load the fans run faster, moving air with
>> greater force through the case, and that force was enough to just
>> slightly twitch an IDE cable with a loose wire. Bang! Reset.
>>
> lol Life is good, while sittin' behind my beautiful, flawlessly working, 
> Windows 7 PC and see [H]omer (aka [M]oron) blabbering to Chris about crappy 
> hardware on his brand new home workstation/server and not taking in 
> consideration that the OS, might be the cause of his problem. :-p

Wish I could say the same. I keep getting random reboots on one of
my systems running with Windows 7x64. 

This is one of them.

103010-25459-01.dmp	10/30/2010 5:29:45 PM		0x0000010d	
00000000`00000005	00000000`00000000	00000000`00001401	
fffffa80`056b4670	Wdf01000.sys	Wdf01000.sys+333c					x64		
C:\Windows\Minidump\103010-25459-01.dmp	4	15	7600	

Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:

> "Homer" <usenet@slated.org> schreef in bericht 
>
> lol Life is good, while sittin' behind my beautiful, flawlessly working, 
> Windows 7 PC and see [H]omer (aka [M]oron) blabbering to Chris about crappy 
> hardware on his brand new home workstation/server and not taking in 
> consideration that the OS, might be the cause of his problem. :-p 

Don't be silly, Clog!  It's working fine with the swapped drive and cable.

The only down side to my new box is it is a bit noisier (has an extra fan).

By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless  :-D

-- 
If you're going to America, bring your own food.
		-- Fran Lebowitz, "Social Studies"

Verily I say unto thee, that Glenn Hall spake thusly:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 22:02:35 +0100, Clogwog wrote:
>> "Homer" <usenet@slated.org> schreef in bericht 

>>> I had a system that would spontaneously reset under load, no matter
>>> what OS was running.
[...]
>> lol Life is good, while sittin' behind my beautiful, flawlessly
>> working, Windows 7 PC and see [H]omer (aka [M]oron) blabbering to
>> Chris about crappy hardware on his brand new home workstation/server
>> and not taking in consideration that the OS, might be the cause of
>> his problem. :-p

What part of "no matter what OS was running" was too difficult for you 
to understand?

> Wish I could say the same. I keep getting random reboots on one of
> my systems running with Windows 7x64. 
>
> This is one of them.
>
> 103010-25459-01.dmp   10/30/2010 5:29:45 PM           0x0000010d      
> 00000000`00000005     00000000`00000000       00000000`00001401       
> fffffa80`056b4670     Wdf01000.sys    Wdf01000.sys+333c x64             
> C:\Windows\Minidump\103010-25459-01.dmp       4       15      7600    

Windows is a pile of junk, no matter what hardware it's infecting.

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http://slated.org            | 
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky   | 1. Ancient African word meaning
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 23 days  |    'I can't configure Debian'

Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
[nothing]
> By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless  :-D

Useless, more like.

-- 
K.                           | [ubuntu]
http://slated.org            | 
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky   | 1. Ancient African word meaning
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 23 days  |    'I can't configure Debian'

Homer pulled this Usenet face plant:

> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
> [nothing]
>> By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless  :-D
>
> Useless, more like.

Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain in
the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in a
hurry.

-- 
Already the spirit of our schooling is permeated with the feeling that
every subject, every topic, every fact, every professed truth must be
submitted to a certain publicity and impartiality.  All proffered
samples of learning must go to the same assay-room and be subjected to
common tests.  It is the essence of all dogmatic faiths to hold that
any such "show-down" is sacrilegious and perverse.  The characteristic
of religion, from their point of view, is that it is intellectually
secret, not public; peculiarly revealed, not generally known;
authoritatively declared, not communicated and tested in ordinary
ways...It is pertinent to point out that, as long as religion is
conceived as it is now by the great majority of professed religionists,
there is something self-contradictory in speaking of education in
religion in the same sense in which we speak of education in topics
where the method of free inquiry has made its way.  The "religious"
would be the last to be willing that either the history of the
content of religion should be taught in this spirit; while those
to whom the scientific standpoint is not merely a technical device,
but is the embodiment of the integrity of mind, must protest against
its being taught in any other spirit.
- John Dewey (1859-1953), American philosopher,
  from "Democracy in the Schools", 1908

On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:15:58 +0000, Homer wrote:

> Windows is a pile of junk, no matter what hardware it's infecting.

That's about the right way to put it. Never had anything like Blue or 
Black Screens of Death on any Linux distribution.

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581 
CentOS 5.5 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0

On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:57:36 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain
> in the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in
> a hurry.

....and not using the Internet.

-- 
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581 
CentOS 5.5 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0

RonB pulled this Usenet face plant:

> On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:57:36 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain
>> in the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in
>> a hurry.
>
> ...and not using the Internet.

Oh, Jeezzuzz.  I use Windows on the Internet only when I absolutely have to.

Luckily, it seems to be only the government security-related sites that
require Internet Explorer on Windows... And, in a crashing irony, IE 6 at
that!

(Also funny/ironic is getting a warning about unverifiable "certificates",
 but hey, they told me I *had* to go there, so it must be safe.)

-- 
Preserve the old, but know the new.

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht 
news:ib4q12$fah$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Homer pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>> [nothing]
>>> By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless  :-D
>>
>> Useless, more like.
>
> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain 
> in
> the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in a
> hurry.
>
Please explain why highly skilled professionals in almost every trade or 
industry (Architecture, Engineering & Construction, Automotive & 
Transportation, Education, Government, Manufacturing, Media & Entertainment, 
Utilities & Telecommunications) use Mac OS X or/and Microsoft Windows 7 & 
Vista.
You have no idea what is going on in the *real* world, I bet you are sucking 
up to [H]omer AKA [M]oron *again* . 

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht 
news:ib5045$7oa$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> RonB pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:57:36 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain
>>> in the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in
>>> a hurry.
>>
>> ...and not using the Internet.
>
> Oh, Jeezzuzz.  I use Windows on the Internet only when I absolutely have 
> to.

You're safe with Windows 7, are you a retarded or something?
"Preserve the old, but know the new." :-p
Windows 7 is the most secure Windows OS today, offering:
Multiple Active Firewall Policies,
Built upon the proven security technologies in Windows Vista.
DirectAccess,
BranchCache,
BitLocker To Go,
AppLocker,
AV from Microsoft Security Essentials
With every OS update a new version of the Microsoft malicious software 
removal tool.

>
> Luckily, it seems to be only the government security-related sites that
> require Internet Explorer on Windows... And, in a crashing irony, IE 6 at
> that!

The IE6 problem is *solved* b.t.w.. This will boost Windows 7 sales 
undoubtedly. 
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9194579/New_browser_add_on_turns_back_IE_s_clock_to_2001

>
> (Also funny/ironic is getting a warning about unverifiable "certificates",
> but hey, they told me I *had* to go there, so it must be safe.) 

Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht 
>
>> Oh, Jeezzuzz.  I use Windows on the Internet only when I absolutely have 
>> to.
>
> You're safe with Windows 7, are you a retarded or something?
> "Preserve the old, but know the new." :-p
> Windows 7 is the most secure Windows OS today...

That's not saying much.

> The IE6 problem is *solved* b.t.w.. This will boost Windows 7 sales 
> undoubtedly. 
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9194579/New_browser_add_on_turns_back_IE_s_clock_to_2001

No need for that.  Almost always, Firefox will work.  And, if that doesn't
work, Google Chrome will work.

No need for Windows.

-- 
We secure our friends not by accepting favors but by doing them.
		-- Thucydides

Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:

> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht 
> news:ib4q12$fah$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Homer pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>> [nothing]
>>>> By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless  :-D
>>>
>>> Useless, more like.
>>
>> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain 
>> in the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in a
>> hurry.
>>
> Please explain why highly skilled professionals in almost every trade or 
> industry (Architecture, Engineering & Construction, Automotive & 
> Transportation, Education, Government, Manufacturing, Media & Entertainment, 
> Utilities & Telecommunications) use Mac OS X or/and Microsoft Windows 7 & 
> Vista.

I don't know.  I see all the problems they have, and I ask "Why?"
I see the incrediblly arduous processes they have to go through to have
their Windows machines *allowed* on the network, and I ask "Why?"

By the way, essentially everyone where I work, including the customer,
uses Windows XP, not Windows 7.  IT has all they can do to support
XP; they have no time/money to manage testing and a mass-migration to the 
latest Billy-ware.

Only a few developers have installed Win 7, from MSDN.  It's an improvement,
but I still see some of the same issues I see with XP.

> You have no idea what is going on in the *real* world, I bet you are sucking 
> up to [H]omer AKA [M]oron *again* . 

Unfortunately for your thesis, Clogwog, you have *no idea* about my *real*
world.  You have that in common with "Hadron", who thinks all I do is
develop "closed sourced Windows code" LOL.  You guys don't know
*squat* about what I do.

-- 
The Poems, all three hundred of them, may be summed up in one of their phrases:
"Let our thoughts be correct".
		-- Confucius

"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht 
news:ib6b2n$9tf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht
>>
>>> Oh, Jeezzuzz.  I use Windows on the Internet only when I absolutely have
>>> to.
>>
>> You're safe with Windows 7, are you a retarded or something?
>> "Preserve the old, but know the new." :-p
>> Windows 7 is the most secure Windows OS today...
>
> That's not saying much.
>
>> The IE6 problem is *solved* b.t.w.. This will boost Windows 7 sales
>> undoubtedly.
>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9194579/New_browser_add_on_turns_back_IE_s_clock_to_2001
>
> No need for that.  Almost always, Firefox will work.  And, if that doesn't
> work, Google Chrome will work.

For home users, yes.
(I run Opera in Windows and Ubuntu, it's faster than Chrome and makes 
Firefox look like a slow POS, I never liked Firefox)
>
> No need for Windows.

You completely missed the point, cos you didn't read the article, I guess.
"Unibrows targets organizations that want to move beyond Windows XP without 
having to redesign internal sites and revamp Web apps to make them 
compatible with IE8"
Firefox is no alternative and Chrome is spyware! 

Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> writes:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>> 
>>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht
>>> news:ib4q12$fah$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Homer pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>>
>>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>>>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>>> [nothing]
>>>>>> By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless  :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Useless, more like.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain
>>>> in the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in
>>>> a hurry.
>>>>
>>> Please explain why highly skilled professionals in almost every trade or
>>> industry (Architecture, Engineering & Construction, Automotive &
>>> Transportation, Education, Government, Manufacturing, Media &
>>> Entertainment, Utilities & Telecommunications) use Mac OS X or/and
>>> Microsoft Windows 7 & Vista.
>> 
>> I don't know.
>
> That's because they don't.
>
> Highly skilled professionals in mobile communications are using Linux in the 
> form of Android.

And Apple and Windows stuff. And Nokia stuff. etc.
>
> Highly skilled professionals in wireless networking are using embedded Linux 
> for WiFi devices and selling hundreds of millions of them every year.
>
> Highly skilled professionals in home entertainment are using Linux in their 
> products, such as TV's, PVR's and basically any new hot product.
>
> Highly skilled professionals in the area of mobile computing devices are 
> using Android or Meego for tablets etc.

Far more using Apple.

>
>> I see all the problems they have, and I ask "Why?"
>
> The DOJ knew, and they found Microsoft guilty.
>
>> I see the incrediblly arduous processes they have to go through to have
>> their Windows machines *allowed* on the network, and I ask "Why?"
>
> Linus engineers see hot new opportunities , not possible with microsoft 
> windows, and they ask "why not?".

Your thinly veiled attempted to big yourself up are generally
extinguished by your cluelessness.

"Windows apps that run under Wine are native Linux apps"

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
> 
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:ib4q12$fah$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Homer pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>
>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>> [nothing]
>>>>> By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless  :-D
>>>>
>>>> Useless, more like.
>>>
>>> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal pain
>>> in the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're not in
>>> a hurry.
>>>
>> Please explain why highly skilled professionals in almost every trade or
>> industry (Architecture, Engineering & Construction, Automotive &
>> Transportation, Education, Government, Manufacturing, Media &
>> Entertainment, Utilities & Telecommunications) use Mac OS X or/and
>> Microsoft Windows 7 & Vista.
> 
> I don't know.

That's because they don't.

Highly skilled professionals in mobile communications are using Linux in the 
form of Android.

Highly skilled professionals in wireless networking are using embedded Linux 
for WiFi devices and selling hundreds of millions of them every year.

Highly skilled professionals in home entertainment are using Linux in their 
products, such as TV's, PVR's and basically any new hot product.

Highly skilled professionals in the area of mobile computing devices are 
using Android or Meego for tablets etc.

> I see all the problems they have, and I ask "Why?"

The DOJ knew, and they found Microsoft guilty.

> I see the incrediblly arduous processes they have to go through to have
> their Windows machines *allowed* on the network, and I ask "Why?"

Linus engineers see hot new opportunities , not possible with microsoft 
windows, and they ask "why not?".


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http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml

Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote in
news:s4skq7-sta.ln1@gronk.wifi.homelinux.com: 

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 
>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>> 
>>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> schreef in bericht
>>> news:ib4q12$fah$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Homer pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>>
>>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>>>> Clogwog pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>>> [nothing]
>>>>>> By the way, if you're running Windows 7, I doubt it is flawless 
>>>>>> :-D 
>>>>>
>>>>> Useless, more like.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, I don't believe that at all.  Windows is useful.  It's a royal
>>>> pain in the ass sometimes, but it is useful.  Sometimes.  When you're
>>>> not in a hurry.
>>>>
>>> Please explain why highly skilled professionals in almost every trade
>>> or industry (Architecture, Engineering & Construction, Automotive &
>>> Transportation, Education, Government, Manufacturing, Media &
>>> Entertainment, Utilities & Telecommunications) use Mac OS X or/and
>>> Microsoft Windows 7 & Vista.
>> 
>> I don't know.
> 
> That's because they don't.

Speak for yourself, moron.

> Highly skilled professionals in mobile communications are using Linux in
> the form of Android.

But the smart ones are using the iPhone.
More applications.
Better applications.
Stable platform.
No fragmentation.
And so forth.
 
> Highly skilled professionals in wireless networking are using embedded
> Linux for WiFi devices and selling hundreds of millions of them every
> year. 

Who cares?
Can't win the desktop so now you have switched to embedded devices?
Nobody cares what chip is inside their router or microwave oven for that 
matter.
 
> Highly skilled professionals in home entertainment are using Linux in
> their products, such as TV's, PVR's and basically any new hot product.

And they are using Xboxes to have fun.
Your point?
 
> Highly skilled professionals in the area of mobile computing devices are
> using Android or Meego for tablets etc.

Wrong.
They are using iPads.
 
>> I see all the problems they have, and I ask "Why?"
> 
> The DOJ knew, and they found Microsoft guilty.

Having trouble staying on topic?
No doubt.
You are a moron.
 
>> I see the incrediblly arduous processes they have to go through to have
>> their Windows machines *allowed* on the network, and I ask "Why?"
> 
> Linus engineers see hot new opportunities , not possible with microsoft 
> windows, and they ask "why not?".

What's a Linus engineer?
Someone who drives a train, like good old number 99 Steel?

You must be a real idiot.
 
 

Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ib8ipv$tct$2@news.eternal-september.org: 

> Your thinly veiled attempted to big yourself up are generally
> extinguished by your cluelessness.
> 
> "Windows apps that run under Wine are native Linux apps"

Terry Porter has my vote for idiot of the year.
Someone would have to practice for months to reach his level of idiocy.
If it's even attainable at all.
 

On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:23:08 +0000, Terry Porter wrote:

> Highly skilled professionals in mobile communications are using Linux in
> the form of Android.
> 
> Highly skilled professionals in wireless networking are using embedded
> Linux for WiFi devices and selling hundreds of millions of them every
> year.
> 
> Highly skilled professionals in home entertainment are using Linux in
> their products, such as TV's, PVR's and basically any new hot product.
> 
> Highly skilled professionals in the area of mobile computing devices are
> using Android or Meego for tablets etc.

And highly skilled animators and their studios use Linux to make their 
movies. 

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On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 10:36:44 +0000, Bill Softie wrote:

> But the smart ones are using the iPhone.

Sure, and there's a bridge in Brooklyn you'll sell us... right?

(These miserable Apple fan boys, killfile crossposting from their 
newsgroup and they still come slithering into COLA. I seriously think 
MacTrolls are more obnoxious than WinTrolls. That takes a lot of doing.)

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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:23:08 +0000, Terry Porter wrote:
>
>> Highly skilled professionals in mobile communications are using Linux in
>> the form of Android.
>> 
>> Highly skilled professionals in wireless networking are using embedded
>> Linux for WiFi devices and selling hundreds of millions of them every
>> year.
>> 
>> Highly skilled professionals in home entertainment are using Linux in
>> their products, such as TV's, PVR's and basically any new hot product.
>> 
>> Highly skilled professionals in the area of mobile computing devices are
>> using Android or Meego for tablets etc.
>
> And highly skilled animators and their studios use Linux to make their 
> movies. 

And Windows. And Mac.

Sheesh WronG. stop waving your pom poms like a little girl.

Animators use apps btw. Apps they haven't released to the GPL.

Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:23:08 +0000, Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>>> Highly skilled professionals in mobile communications are using Linux in
>>> the form of Android.
>>> 
>>> Highly skilled professionals in wireless networking are using embedded
>>> Linux for WiFi devices and selling hundreds of millions of them every
>>> year.
>>> 
>>> Highly skilled professionals in home entertainment are using Linux in
>>> their products, such as TV's, PVR's and basically any new hot product.
>>> 
>>> Highly skilled professionals in the area of mobile computing devices are
>>> using Android or Meego for tablets etc.
>>
>> And highly skilled animators and their studios use Linux to make their
>> movies.
> 
> And Windows. 

Keep on deluding yourself
Windows is basically an "also-run" in that area
Maybe the secretaries use it to write some letters

> And Mac.

Sometimes
 
> Sheesh WronG. stop waving your pom poms like a little girl.
> 
> Animators use apps btw. Apps they haven't released to the GPL.

Which has what to do exactly with the topic?
Right, none
As usual you want to throw some monkey wrenches

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Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet face plant:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Animators use apps btw. Apps they haven't released to the GPL.
>
> Which has what to do exactly with the topic?
> Right, none
> As usual you want to throw some monkey wrenches

I thought "Hadron" wanted to "wrench" his "monkey".

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Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> writes:

> Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Animators use apps btw. Apps they haven't released to the GPL.
>>
>> Which has what to do exactly with the topic?
>> Right, none
>> As usual you want to throw some monkey wrenches
>
> I thought "Hadron" wanted to "wrench" his "monkey".

You're a sad little man.

Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:23:08 +0000, Terry Porter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Highly skilled professionals in mobile communications are using Linux in
>>>> the form of Android.
>>>> 
>>>> Highly skilled professionals in wireless networking are using embedded
>>>> Linux for WiFi devices and selling hundreds of millions of them every
>>>> year.
>>>> 
>>>> Highly skilled professionals in home entertainment are using Linux in
>>>> their products, such as TV's, PVR's and basically any new hot product.
>>>> 
>>>> Highly skilled professionals in the area of mobile computing devices are
>>>> using Android or Meego for tablets etc.
>>>
>>> And highly skilled animators and their studios use Linux to make their
>>> movies.
>> 
>> And Windows. 
>
> Keep on deluding yourself
> Windows is basically an "also-run" in that area
> Maybe the secretaries use it to write some letters
>
>> And Mac.
>
> Sometimes

Lots of time.

>
>> Sheesh WronG. stop waving your pom poms like a little girl.
>> 
>> Animators use apps btw. Apps they haven't released to the GPL.
>
> Which has what to do exactly with the topic?

That that moron Porter is trying to insinuate "real professionals only
use Linux". He's an idiot. And so are you.


> Right, none
> As usual you want to throw some monkey wrenches

You need another urlaub. Off you go.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet face plant:
> 
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Animators use apps btw. Apps they haven't released to the GPL.
>>
>> Which has what to do exactly with the topic?
>> Right, none
>> As usual you want to throw some monkey wrenches
> 
> I thought "Hadron" wanted to "wrench" his "monkey".
> 

Impossible. The needed electron microscope to see what to "wrench" isn't going 
to fit
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In message <201011062102.oA6L2gR21246@smtp.cobalt.loc>, Clogwog wrote:

> ... and see [H]omer (aka [M]oron) blabbering to Chris about
> crappy hardware on his brand new home workstation/server and not taking in
> consideration that the OS, might be the cause of his problem. :-p

That is more commonly the case with Windows, isn’t it.