http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc

Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and 
paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.


And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous, 
arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and 
sophisticated and powerful does it look?

http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/



MS\Outlook is doomed.

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>
> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and 
> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>
> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous, 
> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and 
> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>
> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>
> MS\Outlook is doomed.

Running stuff in a properly configured terminal like urxvt with 256
color support compiled it can be real nice : I run a specialised emacs
instance in such using gnus . complete with anti aliased fonts (since
fonts are static that would be a surprise to Kohlkopf), transparency and
various x resource tweaks,

I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email) far
better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.

And of course the major benefit is you can use something like
screen/tmux to connect/disconnect to an app session (e.g I normally have
an emacs running gnus and erc, newsbeuter for rss and a bash terminal)
with a hot key. The benefit of being able to ssh in and simply reconnect
to this suite is enormous if you work away and want to carry on from
where you left off - and of course screen/tmux make great "mini"  window
managers too and the overhead of remote connection is WAY lower than
full x forwarding.

On 08/30/2010 09:27 AM, DFS wrote:
> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>
> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>
>
> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>
> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>
>
>
> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>
>
>

From: DFS <nospam@dfs_.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) 
Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2

???
Thunderbird is free & open source.
lolfail.

On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>
> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and 
> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
[deletia]

    ...another example of how there are just some tools that should not
be used by particular users. You seem to be the poster boy for this sort
of thing. Stick to tricycles, or perhaps something with training wheels.
There are plenty of options to choose from there and no one (except for
the Windows Lemming Hadron) will give you any flack for choosing something
different.

    (whining about intentionally choosing something you know to be 
inappropriate to your skill level is something else entirely)

-- 
     These Mac Fanboys want vi imposed on everyone.                   |||
                                                                     / | \

On 8/30/2010 9:54 AM, Hadron wrote:
> DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  writes:
>
>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>
>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>
>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>
>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>
>> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>
> Running stuff in a properly configured terminal like urxvt with 256
> color support compiled it can be real nice : I run a specialised emacs
> instance in such using gnus . complete with anti aliased fonts (since
> fonts are static that would be a surprise to Kohlkopf), transparency and
> various x resource tweaks,

Gag.


> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email) far
> better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.

I don't know what that means.  Screenshot?


> And of course the major benefit is you can use something like
> screen/tmux to connect/disconnect to an app session (e.g I normally have
> an emacs running gnus and erc, newsbeuter for rss and a bash terminal)
> with a hot key. The benefit of being able to ssh in and simply reconnect
> to this suite is enormous if you work away and want to carry on from
> where you left off

I prefer to separate work from home.



> - and of course screen/tmux make great "mini"  window
> managers too and the overhead of remote connection is WAY lower than
> full x forwarding.

I used to use Windows remote desktop connection to a Citrix server, 
which I suppose is "high overhead".  It was plenty speedy.

Marious Barrier posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 08/30/2010 09:27 AM, DFS wrote:
>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>
>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>
>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>
>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>
>> MS\Outlook is doomed.

I don't use Outlook.  Evolution at work and, ah, mutt at home.

I love mutt!  Lean, mean, and fast as hell.

Also, DFS probably simplified the configuration too much.  I have
fetchmail, procmail, msmtp, and spamassassin in the mix as well.

> From: DFS <nospam@dfs_.com>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) 
> Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2
>
> ???
> Thunderbird is free & open source.
> lolfail.

I'll eventually replace Evolution with Thunderbird at work.  That is, unless
I find that there is a mutt plugin to support the Exchange calendar.

Thanks, DFS, for cluing people into mutt.

-- 
Glib's Fourth Law of Unreliability:
	Investment in reliability will increase until it exceeds the
	probable cost of errors, or until someone insists on getting
	some useful work done.

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> On 8/30/2010 9:54 AM, Hadron wrote:
>> DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  writes:
>>
>>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>>
>>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>>
>>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>>
>>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>>
>>> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>>
>> Running stuff in a properly configured terminal like urxvt with 256
>> color support compiled it can be real nice : I run a specialised emacs
>> instance in such using gnus . complete with anti aliased fonts (since
>> fonts are static that would be a surprise to Kohlkopf), transparency and
>> various x resource tweaks,
>
> Gag.

You might think so, but its really nice.

>
>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email) far
>> better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>
> I don't know what that means.  Screenshot?
>

On top of looks, it means the UI shares common facilities that the rest
of my "console" based type apps have including url launching, copy/paste
keys and of course ability to rotate apps using the tmux UI (the most
important for me). I realise GUI has these things too - but running them
inside tmux is the crux for me.

I like setting generic X resource settings and pretty much all apps
picking them up because they are running inside a terminal.

I dont "advocate" this generally however as most users would run a mile.

I'll post you a screenshot some other time.


>> And of course the major benefit is you can use something like
>> screen/tmux to connect/disconnect to an app session (e.g I normally have
>> an emacs running gnus and erc, newsbeuter for rss and a bash terminal)
>> with a hot key. The benefit of being able to ssh in and simply reconnect
>> to this suite is enormous if you work away and want to carry on from
>> where you left off
>
> I prefer to separate work from home.

Thats fine but its not a reason to discount the use. And its not
necessarily work. I want to use the email client I am familiar with from
any computer which can do ssh : I just ssh in and reconnect the tmux
session. Voila. Home email. news etc etc and all over a connection
provided by two cans and a piece of string ;)

>
>> - and of course screen/tmux make great "mini"  window
>> managers too and the overhead of remote connection is WAY lower than
>> full x forwarding.
>
> I used to use Windows remote desktop connection to a Citrix server, 
> which I suppose is "high overhead".  It was plenty speedy.

If you have the bandwidth fine, but this way is far speedier and more
efficient. And known to be secure and reliable.

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> writes:

> Marious Barrier posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 08/30/2010 09:27 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>>
>>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>>
>>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>>
>>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>>
>>> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>
> I don't use Outlook.  Evolution at work and, ah, mutt at home.
>
> I love mutt!  Lean, mean, and fast as hell.
>
> Also, DFS probably simplified the configuration too much.  I have
> fetchmail, procmail, msmtp, and spamassassin in the mix as well.

All (exccept mutt) recommended by me on numerous occasions. I migrated
to bogofilter though...

>
>> From: DFS <nospam@dfs_.com>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) 
>> Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2
>>
>> ???
>> Thunderbird is free & open source.
>> lolfail.
>
> I'll eventually replace Evolution with Thunderbird at work.  That is, unless
> I find that there is a mutt plugin to support the Exchange calendar.
>
> Thanks, DFS, for cluing people into mutt.

mutt is a dog....

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:28:59 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> wrote:


>I love mutt!  Lean, mean, and fast as hell.

This is too easy :)

.......nahhh.... I'll be nice :)
-- 
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
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On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
> DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>
>> On 8/30/2010 9:54 AM, Hadron wrote:
>>> DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  writes:
>>>
>>>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>>>
>>>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to
>>>> cut and paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration
>>>> idiocy.
>>>>
>>>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every
>>>> ridiculous, arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how
>>>> modern and sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>>>
>>>> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>>>
>>> Running stuff in a properly configured terminal like urxvt with
>>> 256 color support compiled it can be real nice : I run a
>>> specialised emacs instance in such using gnus . complete with anti
>>> aliased fonts (since fonts are static that would be a surprise to
>>> Kohlkopf), transparency and various x resource tweaks,
>>
>> Gag.
>
> You might think so, but its really nice.

It absolutely is. I don't use anti-aliased fonts though. Don't like
the 'blurry' look. My .Xresources are set to use the terminus font for
urxvt and xterm. I'm also using transparency (to justify having a root
window background) and the 'fading' property, which fades the terminal
windows not having focus by 20%.

A very slick and usable set-up indeed.

>>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email)
>>> far better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>>
>> I don't know what that means.  Screenshot?
>
> On top of looks, it means the UI shares common facilities that the
> rest of my "console" based type apps have including url launching,
> copy/paste keys and of course ability to rotate apps using the tmux
> UI (the most important for me). I realise GUI has these things too -
> but running them inside tmux is the crux for me.

Never used tmux myself. Any advantages over screen?

> I like setting generic X resource settings and pretty much all apps
> picking them up because they are running inside a terminal.
>
> I dont "advocate" this generally however as most users would run a
> mile.
>
> I'll post you a screenshot some other time.

I'll post one right now:

http://www.drumscum.be/cola/console.png

>>> And of course the major benefit is you can use something like
>>> screen/tmux to connect/disconnect to an app session (e.g I
>>> normally have an emacs running gnus and erc, newsbeuter for rss
>>> and a bash terminal) with a hot key. The benefit of being able to
>>> ssh in and simply reconnect to this suite is enormous if you work
>>> away and want to carry on from where you left off
>>
>> I prefer to separate work from home.
>
> Thats fine but its not a reason to discount the use. And its not
> necessarily work. I want to use the email client I am familiar with
> from any computer which can do ssh : I just ssh in and reconnect the
> tmux session. Voila. Home email. news etc etc and all over a
> connection provided by two cans and a piece of string ;)

Same motivation here. It's great to be able to use my home desktop
from anywhere without pulling an entire graphical interface over the
network. It's one of the main reasons I like to use console
applications.

>>> - and of course screen/tmux make great "mini"  window managers too
>>> and the overhead of remote connection is WAY lower than full x
>>> forwarding.
>>
>> I used to use Windows remote desktop connection to a Citrix server,
>> which I suppose is "high overhead".  It was plenty speedy.
>
> If you have the bandwidth fine, but this way is far speedier and
> more efficient. And known to be secure and reliable.

Completely seconded. RDP is great for trusted and high speed networks,
but once you have to pull it over a consumer DSL/cable line it quickly
becomes less interesting.

Oh, and mutt is *very* easy to configure and by far the most usable
and flexible email client in existence.

To me that is.

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On 8/30/2010 10:13 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
> On 08/30/2010 09:27 AM, DFS wrote:
>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>
>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>
>>
>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>
>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>
>>
>>
>> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>>
>>
>>
>
> From: DFS <nospam@dfs_.com>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8)
> Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2
>
> ???
> Thunderbird is free & open source.
> lolfail.

FYI:

I don't use Thunderbird email.  I use Outlook.

I use Thunderbird news for one reason: Outlook Express 7.0 (aka Live 
Mail in Win7) sux bad.  Thunderbird is a clone of Outlook Express 6.0. 
It's basic and it works, but it's slow and if you're not careful and 
accidentally try to move an item from Sent to a subscribed group, it 
gets stupid on you and will reindex your entire Sent box.  Mine has 22K 
entries, and it takes about 30 minutes.

I donated $20 to Mozilla Foundation.

On 8/30/2010 10:17 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-08-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>
>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
> [deletia]
>
>      ...another example of how there are just some tools that should not
> be used by particular users. You seem to be the poster boy for this sort
> of thing. Stick to tricycles, or perhaps something with training wheels.
> There are plenty of options to choose from there and no one (except for
> the Windows Lemming Hadron) will give you any flack for choosing something
> different.


I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight, 
and clumsy.

I had to set username, hostname, realname, nnrpaccess, a newsrc file, a 
server_object, a post_object, generate_message_id, read_active, 
save_posts, save_replies, postpone_directory.  I also specified a 
browser (Konqueror) and editor (Kate).  Then I had to set the server env 
variable.

Far more trouble than it was worth.




>      (whining about intentionally choosing something you know to be
> inappropriate to your skill level is something else entirely)


Let's put it this way, JED: if you can do it, I certainly can.

TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>>
>>>> Running stuff in a properly configured terminal like urxvt with
>>
>> You might think so, but its really nice.
>
> It absolutely is. I don't use anti-aliased fonts though. Don't like
> the 'blurry' look. My .Xresources are set to use the terminus font for
> urxvt and xterm. I'm also using transparency (to justify having a root
> window background) and the 'fading' property, which fades the terminal
> windows not having focus by 20%.
>
>>>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email)
>>>> far better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>>
>> On top of looks, it means the UI shares common facilities that the
>> rest of my "console" based type apps have including url launching,
>> copy/paste keys and of course ability to rotate apps using the tmux
>> UI (the most important for me). I realise GUI has these things too -
>> but running them inside tmux is the crux for me.
>
> Never used tmux myself. Any advantages over screen?

"Hadron" is studying hard.

Never knew about tmux, myself.

>> I like setting generic X resource settings and pretty much all apps
>> picking them up because they are running inside a terminal.
>>
>> I dont "advocate" this generally however as most users would run a
>> mile.
>>
>> I'll post you a screenshot some other time.
>
> I'll post one right now:
>
> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/console.png
>
>> Thats fine but its not a reason to discount the use. And its not
>> necessarily work. I want to use the email client I am familiar with
>> from any computer which can do ssh : I just ssh in and reconnect the
>> tmux session. Voila. Home email. news etc etc and all over a
>> connection provided by two cans and a piece of string ;)
>
> Same motivation here. It's great to be able to use my home desktop
> from anywhere without pulling an entire graphical interface over the
> network. It's one of the main reasons I like to use console
> applications.
>
>>>> - and of course screen/tmux make great "mini"  window managers too
>>>> and the overhead of remote connection is WAY lower than full x
>>>> forwarding.
>>>
>>> I used to use Windows remote desktop connection to a Citrix server,
>>> which I suppose is "high overhead".  It was plenty speedy.
>>
>> If you have the bandwidth fine, but this way is far speedier and
>> more efficient. And known to be secure and reliable.
>
> Completely seconded. RDP is great for trusted and high speed networks,
> but once you have to pull it over a consumer DSL/cable line it quickly
> becomes less interesting.

I tried VNC once from work to home.  It was cool, but pretty laggy.

RDP at work (from Linux to Windows) works pretty well.

> Oh, and mutt is *very* easy to configure and by far the most usable
> and flexible email client in existence.
>
> To me that is.

Nice conversation, guys.

-- 
I love being married.  It's so great to find that one special person
you want to annoy for the rest of your life.
		-- Rita Rudner

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> writes:

> TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>>>
>>>>> Running stuff in a properly configured terminal like urxvt with
>>>
>>> You might think so, but its really nice.
>>
>> It absolutely is. I don't use anti-aliased fonts though. Don't like
>> the 'blurry' look. My .Xresources are set to use the terminus font for
>> urxvt and xterm. I'm also using transparency (to justify having a root
>> window background) and the 'fading' property, which fades the terminal
>> windows not having focus by 20%.
>>
>>>>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email)
>>>>> far better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>>>
>>> On top of looks, it means the UI shares common facilities that the
>>> rest of my "console" based type apps have including url launching,
>>> copy/paste keys and of course ability to rotate apps using the tmux
>>> UI (the most important for me). I realise GUI has these things too -
>>> but running them inside tmux is the crux for me.
>>
>> Never used tmux myself. Any advantages over screen?
>
> "Hadron" is studying hard.
>
> Never knew about tmux, myself.

"Hadron" has been using it for over a year.


>
>>> I like setting generic X resource settings and pretty much all apps
>>> picking them up because they are running inside a terminal.
>>>
>>> I dont "advocate" this generally however as most users would run a
>>> mile.
>>>
>>> I'll post you a screenshot some other time.
>>
>> I'll post one right now:
>>
>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/console.png
>>
>>> Thats fine but its not a reason to discount the use. And its not
>>> necessarily work. I want to use the email client I am familiar with
>>> from any computer which can do ssh : I just ssh in and reconnect the
>>> tmux session. Voila. Home email. news etc etc and all over a
>>> connection provided by two cans and a piece of string ;)
>>
>> Same motivation here. It's great to be able to use my home desktop
>> from anywhere without pulling an entire graphical interface over the
>> network. It's one of the main reasons I like to use console
>> applications.
>>
>>>>> - and of course screen/tmux make great "mini"  window managers too
>>>>> and the overhead of remote connection is WAY lower than full x
>>>>> forwarding.
>>>>
>>>> I used to use Windows remote desktop connection to a Citrix server,
>>>> which I suppose is "high overhead".  It was plenty speedy.
>>>
>>> If you have the bandwidth fine, but this way is far speedier and
>>> more efficient. And known to be secure and reliable.
>>
>> Completely seconded. RDP is great for trusted and high speed networks,
>> but once you have to pull it over a consumer DSL/cable line it quickly
>> becomes less interesting.
>
> I tried VNC once from work to home.  It was cool, but pretty laggy.
>
> RDP at work (from Linux to Windows) works pretty well.
>
>> Oh, and mutt is *very* easy to configure and by far the most usable
>> and flexible email client in existence.
>>
>> To me that is.
>
> Nice conversation, guys.

Yes ;)

On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> Thunderbird is a clone of Outlook Express 6.0.  It's basic and it
> works, but it's slow and if you're not careful and accidentally try
> to move an item from Sent to a subscribed group, it gets stupid on
> you and will reindex your entire Sent box.  Mine has 22K entries,
> and it takes about 30 minutes.

One of my mailboxes has 55k entries, and mutt handles it just fine.
Loading takes a few seconds. Moving messages around takes
milliseconds. Same for searching.

No indexing required. Indexing sucks.

I also use mutt to read my mail from the exchange server at work. Once
the mailboxes are cached locally this works very fast too.

mutt is a great mailclient.

And GNU/Linux is a great operating system.

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On 8/30/2010 2:19 PM, TomB wrote:

> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/console.png

Has that *nix 1970's throwback look.  Needs a white background, and 
scrollbars, and click buttons for Send, Reply, Print, etc.

Why doesn't it show you the # of items in each folder?  What's the 
config variable?  How soon before you slit your throat after looking for 
it for an hour on a man page?

Why in Thor's name would you have a top output open at all times next to 
your email?  Distrust of Lunix I assume.




> Same motivation here. It's great to be able to use my home desktop
> from anywhere without pulling an entire graphical interface over the
> network. It's one of the main reasons I like to use console
> applications.

Do you get that leaving computing at home is one benefit of being away 
from home?



> Completely seconded. RDP is great for trusted and high speed networks,
> but once you have to pull it over a consumer DSL/cable line it quickly
> becomes less interesting.

It ran fine from home over DSL (where fine is ~80% of normal speed)



> Oh, and mutt is *very* easy to configure and by far the most usable
> and flexible email client in existence.
>
> To me that is.

If it's easy to configure that means you never set - or you accepted the 
defaults - on almost every one of the ... get ready ... 240 config 
variables!  And that doesn't count the 100 or so options - status_format 
alone has some 30 options.

Go *nix!

Extremely configurable and flexible?  Yes
Extremely undesirable to 99.999% of the world?  Yes



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check_new
collapse_unread
Command to use when spawning a subshell. By default, the user's login 
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confirmappend
confirmcreate
connect_timeout
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date_format
default_hook
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digest_collapse
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escape
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index_format
ispell
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mail_check
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mask
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mbox_type
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meta_key
metoo
mh_purge
mh_seq_flagged
mh_seq_replied
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mime_forward
mime_forward_decode
mime_forward_rest
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mixmaster
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pgp_decrypt_command
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pgp_entry_format
pgp_export_command
pgp_getkeys_command
pgp_good_sign
pgp_ignore_subkeys
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pgp_list_secring_command
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pgp_replyencrypt
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pgp_show_unusable
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user_agent
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wait_key
weed
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write_bcc
write_inc
=================================

Verily I say unto thee, that Marious Barrier spake thusly:

> From: DFS <nospam@dfs_.com>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US;
> rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2
> 
> ???
> Thunderbird is free & open source.
> lolfail.

That means he's a hypocrite too, according to his own standards.

-- 
K.
http://slated.org

..----
|    "Ibland är jag själva hindret. Oftare länken."
|("Sometimes I am the obstacle. More often the link.")
|    ~ Ibi "Kopimi" Botani, Piratbyrån co-founder.
`----

Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.31.5
 23:13:16 up 26 days, 23 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.01, 1.02, 1.00

"DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message 
news:i5gbj9$g6u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>
> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and 
> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>
>
> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous, arcane 
> option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and sophisticated and 
> powerful does it look?
>
> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>
>
>
> MS\Outlook is doomed.

I'm not directing this at mutt because I've never used it and have no need 
for it. But I've run across this in other apps where the config-file is some 
huge monsterosity and then you spend however long tweaking it and settting 
it all up. So great... now it works. Until you get the next version of the 
app that is.

The new version of the app isn't interested in "merging" your changes to the 
config-file with the new version of the config-file. So the options are keep 
your config-file (and hope things work without the new settings) or accept 
their new config-file. Sometimes the app will make a backup copy of the 
config-file but I don't rely on this and make my own *.save copy just to be 
sure. And then the fun begins... editing my changes into the new config-file 
and hoping that things still work.

On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>
> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and 
> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>
>
> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous, 
> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and 
> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>
> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/

Hmm... takes me minutes to get a vanilla install of mutt 
working. After you spend weeks "tweaking every ridiculous 
arcane option" you end up with a mail program so personally 
customized that nothing else like it is available. That's 
the point of mutt - highly customizeable and extendable, 
extremely fast and lightweight. 

If you want your MUA spoon fed to you and your mommy to wipe 
what's left from your chin then I would recommend Outlook - 
just don't complain when you spend 4 hours patching it and 
downloading 500MB updates and another 6 hours watching your 
hard drive grind itself to hell. Oh, and don't keep more 
than 2GB of mail either, sizzlechest.

On 8/30/2010 5:43 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> Thunderbird is a clone of Outlook Express 6.0.  It's basic and it
>> works, but it's slow and if you're not careful and accidentally try
>> to move an item from Sent to a subscribed group, it gets stupid on
>> you and will reindex your entire Sent box.  Mine has 22K entries,
>> and it takes about 30 minutes.
>
> One of my mailboxes has 55k entries, and mutt handles it just fine.
> Loading takes a few seconds. Moving messages around takes
> milliseconds. Same for searching.

That's speedy.

Thunderbird moving item(s) from one folder to another is <1 seconds.

Thunderbird body search of 22,300 cola posts takes 4-5 seconds (much 
better than Outlook Express 6.0 which was ungodly slow)

Core i5-750, 4gb RAM

But you have to use bogus regexp to do mutt email searches, and only 
across one mail folder at a time.

Contrast with:
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Thunderbird_search.png

GUI rulez again.



> No indexing required. Indexing sucks.
>
> I also use mutt to read my mail from the exchange server at work. Once
> the mailboxes are cached locally this works very fast too.
>
> mutt is a great mailclient.

It's text-based dinosaur droppings that make old beards feel young again.




> And GNU/Linux is a great operating system.

Until you actually use it.

It's a geek nightmare come to life:

open source
distros derived from distros derived from distros derived from distros
entire distros developed and maintained by anonymous user names
text files scattered all over
case-sensitive file names
command line required at some point
rude "community"
device names like /dev/sbpcd12
30 different file systems
not a single good native game
ridiculously poor audio/video apps
apps that have to be started from the command line
installing apps not in the repos
configure, make, make install
theftware of ideas from Windows and Mac
/tmp, /var/tmp
hidden .config folders
spinning cubes and burning/freezing windows
device lists that include extremely obsolete technology
Freshmeat burial ground for abandoned crapware
pure junk in Debian Stable repos
distros with 6-month fixed date release cycles

huh?

On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 8/30/2010 2:19 PM, TomB wrote:
>
>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/console.png
>
> Has that *nix 1970's throwback look.  Needs a white background, and 
> scrollbars, and click buttons for Send, Reply, Print, etc.

I'm a sucker for green/white text on a black background. I thing black
text on a white background is the worst invention ever.

And why would I need 'click buttons' on the screen while I have 65
'click button' right in front of my on my desk? 'm' is mail. 'f' is
forward. 'c' change mailbox. 'a' is add alias. 'o' is order. Etc.

Why a scrollbar when those 65 keys include 'Pg Up', 'Pg Down', 'Home'
and 'End'?

I could run the same set of programs on a more contemporary desktop:

http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png

But why would I? What's the benefit?

> Why doesn't it show you the # of items in each folder?

Don't want that. It would clutter the view. I shows the folder stats
when I enter the mailbox.

> What's the 
> config variable?

I have no idea.

> How soon before you slit your throat after looking for 
> it for an hour on a man page?

Man pages are easy to search in when you're using a decent pager.
less(1) is a decent pager.

> Why in Thor's name would you have a top output open at all times next to 
> your email?  Distrust of Lunix I assume.

I needed to check something a bit earlier.

>> Same motivation here. It's great to be able to use my home desktop
>> from anywhere without pulling an entire graphical interface over the
>> network. It's one of the main reasons I like to use console
>> applications.
>
> Do you get that leaving computing at home is one benefit of being away 
> from home?

Of course. When I go on vacation the laptop and cellphone stay at
home. But at work I like to log in to my computer at home during my
breaks and read up on usenet and mail for instance.

>> Completely seconded. RDP is great for trusted and high speed networks,
>> but once you have to pull it over a consumer DSL/cable line it quickly
>> becomes less interesting.
>
> It ran fine from home over DSL (where fine is ~80% of normal speed)

Pretty good uplink then? My uplink is limited to 1.5 mbit/s, which is
too slow for RDP or even X forwarding. From work to home is doable,
but there the uplink is 20 mbit/s, guaranteed (or even more if I hook
up to the 100 mbit fibre).

But console applications over ssh run at 100% speed, even on a
relatively slow link.

>> Oh, and mutt is *very* easy to configure and by far the most usable
>> and flexible email client in existence.
>>
>> To me that is.
>
> If it's easy to configure that means you never set - or you accepted the 
> defaults - on almost every one of the ... get ready ... 240 config 
> variables!

I have just set the options I felt I needed. The rest I don't care
about.

> And that doesn't count the 100 or so options - status_format 
> alone has some 30 options.
>
> Go *nix!
>
> Extremely configurable and flexible?  Yes

Got that right.

> Extremely undesirable to 99.999% of the world?  Yes

Likely. Don't care. It's desirable to me.

<snip list of mutt config vars)

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My luck is so bad that if I bought a cemetery, people would stop dying.
	~ Ed Furgol

On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email) far
>> better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>
> I don't know what that means.

You could pretty much just use that line as a substitute for 
everything else you say.

On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message 
> news:i5gbj9$g6u$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>
>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut
>> and paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration
>> idiocy.
>>
>>
>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>
>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>
>>
>>
>> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>
> I'm not directing this at mutt because I've never used it and have
> no need for it. But I've run across this in other apps where the
> config-file is some huge monsterosity and then you spend however
> long tweaking it and settting it all up. So great... now it works.
> Until you get the next version of the app that is.
>
> The new version of the app isn't interested in "merging" your
> changes to the config-file with the new version of the config-file.
> So the options are keep your config-file (and hope things work
> without the new settings) or accept their new config-file. Sometimes
> the app will make a backup copy of the config-file but I don't rely
> on this and make my own *.save copy just to be sure. And then the
> fun begins... editing my changes into the new config-file and hoping
> that things still work.

And that, dear readers of this pleasant and entertaining newsgroup,
are the *very* rare exceptions.

Of the programs I use, the only exception like that was awesome, which
went through quite a bit of config option changes. Got me pissed more
than once I must say.

But like I said: these are the exceptions.

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I am son of Liarmutt.
An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest.
	~ Benjamin Franklin

On 08/30/2010 06:49 PM, TomB wrote:
> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png

Which one is that GTK/QT style?

On 8/30/2010 6:28 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
> On 2010-08-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>
>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>
>>
>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>
>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>
> Hmm... takes me minutes to get a vanilla install of mutt
> working.

So why use mutt, with it's 240 config options?



> After you spend weeks "tweaking every ridiculous
> arcane option" you end up with a mail program so personally
> customized that nothing else like it is available.

That's good news.



Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?

muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.





> That's
> the point of mutt - highly customizeable and extendable,
> extremely fast and lightweight.

Show us how to search for emails containing 'crapware' and 'freeze' that 
were sent after 8/1/2010.



> If you want your MUA spoon fed to you and your mommy to wipe
> what's left from your chin then I would recommend Outlook -
> just don't complain when you spend 4 hours patching it and
> downloading 500MB updates and another 6 hours watching your
> hard drive grind itself to hell.

hmmmm... my sample of one says in 10 years I've never 'had to' patch it 
(though I may have installed an Office service pack), or download large 
updates,  or wait more than a few seconds for it to open (excepting the 
few times the corporate Exchange servers were down).




> Oh, and don't keep more
> than 2GB of mail either, sizzlechest.


Another Linux idiot using extremely outdated info to lie about MS \ 
products.

http://email.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=email&cdn=compute&tm=24&f=00&tt=12&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//support.microsoft.com/kb/832925/

Rex Ballard and Homer do this kind of thing often.

Dirtbag lusers.

On 8/30/2010 6:52 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
> On 2010-08-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email) far
>>> better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>>
>> I don't know what that means.
>
> You could pretty much just use that line as a substitute for
> everything else you say.

You can do better, can't you?

On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of Marious Barrier:
> On 08/30/2010 06:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png
>
> Which one is that GTK/QT style?

The theme is 'DarkLooks' with slight color changes, the 'Unity' window
decorations and the 'Foxtrot' icon theme.

-- 
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I am son of Liarmutt.
Let me just troll Ubuntu right here:  I like the parts of Ubuntu that are like
Linux.
	~ owl

On 8/30/2010 6:49 PM, TomB wrote:

> I could run the same set of programs on a more contemporary desktop:
>
> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png

Who's 'Oliver Schneide' and 'Boyd Stephen Sm'?



> But why would I? What's the benefit?

You don't have to memorize different keystrokes for every Linux (cr)app 
you use.


> Man pages are easy to search in when you're using a decent pager.
> less(1) is a decent pager.

OK.  So what's the config variable to show/not show the number of items 
in each mutt mail folder?




>> Extremely undesirable to 99.999% of the world?  Yes
>
> Likely. Don't care. It's desirable to me.

Variation on "works for me".



> <snip list of mutt config vars)

Restored so you can marvel at the easy configuration:

=================================
abort_nosubject
abort_unmodified
alias_file
alias_format
allow_8bit
allow_ansi
alternates
arrow_cursor
ascii_chars
askbcc
askcc
attach_format
attach_sep
attach_split
attribution
auto_tag
autoedit
beep
beep_new
bounce_delivered
certificate_file
charset
check_new
collapse_unread
compose_format
confirmappend
confirmcreate
connect_timeout
copy
date_format
default_hook
delete
delete_untag
digest_collapse
display_filter
dsn_notify
dsn_return
duplicate_threads
edit_headers
editor
encode_from
entropy_file
envelope_from
escape
fast_reply
fcc_attach
fcc_clear
folder
folder_format
followup_to
force_name
forward_decode
forward_decrypt
forward_format
forward_quote
from
gecos_mask
hdrs
header
help
hidden_host
hide_limited
hide_missing
hide_top_limited
hide_top_missing
history
honor_followup_to
hostname
ignore_list_reply_to
imap_authenticators
imap_delim_chars
imap_force_ssl
imap_home_namespace
imap_keepalive
imap_list_subscribed
imap_pass
imap_passive
imap_peek
imap_servernoise
imap_user
implicit_autoview
include
indent_string
index number
index_format
ispell
keep_flagged
locale
mail_check
mailcap_path
mailcap_sanitize
maildir_trash
mark_old
markers
mask
mbox
mbox_type
menu_scroll
message_format
meta_key
metoo
mh_purge
mh_seq_flagged
mh_seq_replied
mh_seq_unseen
mime_forward
mime_forward_decode
mime_forward_rest
mix_entry_format
mixmaster
move
pager
pager_context
pager_format
pager_index_lines
pager_stop
pgp_autoencrypt
pgp_autosign
pgp_clearsign_command
pgp_create_traditional
pgp_decode_command
pgp_decrypt_command
pgp_encrypt_only_command
pgp_encrypt_sign_command
pgp_entry_format
pgp_export_command
pgp_getkeys_command
pgp_good_sign
pgp_ignore_subkeys
pgp_import_command
pgp_list_pubring_command
pgp_list_secring_command
pgp_long_ids
pgp_replyencrypt
pgp_replysign
pgp_replysignencrypted
pgp_retainable_sigs
pgp_show_unusable
pgp_sign_as
pgp_sign_command
pgp_sort_keys
pgp_strict_enc
pgp_timeout
pgp_verify_command
pgp_verify_key_command
pgp_verify_sig
pipe_decode
pipe_sep
pipe_split
pop_auth_try_all
pop_authenticators
pop_checkinterval
pop_delete
pop_host
pop_last
pop_pass
pop_reconnect
pop_user
post_indent_string
postpone
postponed
preconnect
print
print_command
print_decode
print_split
prompt_after
query_command
quit
quote_regexp
read_inc
read_only
realname
recall
record
reply_regexp
reply_self
reply_to
resolve
reverse_alias
reverse_name
reverse_realname
rfc2047_parameters
save_address
save_empty
save_name
score
score
score_threshold_delete
score_threshold_flag
score_threshold_read
send_charset
sendmail
sendmail_wait
shell
sig_dashes
sig_on_top
signature
simple_search
sleep_time
smart_wrap
smileys
sort
sort_alias
sort_aux
sort_browser
sort_re
spoolfile
ssl_starttls
ssl_use_sslv2
ssl_use_sslv3
ssl_use_tlsv1
ssl_usesystemcerts
status_chars
status_format
status_on_top
strict_threads
suspend
text_flowed
thorough_search
thread_received
tilde
timeout
tmpdir
to_chars
tunnel
uncollapse_jump
use_8bitmime
use_domain
use_from
use_ipv6
user_agent
visual
wait_key
weed
wrap_search
wrapmargin
write_bcc
write_inc
=================================

On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> On 8/30/2010 6:52 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>> On 2010-08-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email) far
>>>> better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>>>
>>> I don't know what that means.
>>
>> You could pretty much just use that line as a substitute for
>> everything else you say.
>
> You can do better, can't you?

Yeah but I need a few more drinks. Gimme a couple of hours.

On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> Hmm... takes me minutes to get a vanilla install of mutt
>> working.
>
> So why use mutt, with it's 240 config options?

You just answered your own question. Because it /has/ 240 
config options. Or you can leave it at default. Like I said, 
customizeable, flexible, powerful.

>> After you spend weeks "tweaking every ridiculous
>> arcane option" you end up with a mail program so personally
>> customized that nothing else like it is available.
>
> That's good news.
> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.

Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and 
her muscles are bigger than mine.

>> That's
>> the point of mutt - highly customizeable and extendable,
>> extremely fast and lightweight.
>
> Show us how to search for emails containing 'crapware' and 'freeze' that 
> were sent after 8/1/2010.

Search: Results not found. Hmm... guess I don't deal with 
crapware and freezing much. I guess that's because I run 
GNU.

>> If you want your MUA spoon fed to you and your mommy to wipe
>> what's left from your chin then I would recommend Outlook -
>> just don't complain when you spend 4 hours patching it and
>> downloading 500MB updates and another 6 hours watching your
>> hard drive grind itself to hell.
>
> hmmmm... my sample of one says in 10 years I've never 'had to' patch it 
> (though I may have installed an Office service pack), or download large 
> updates,  or wait more than a few seconds for it to open (excepting the 
> few times the corporate Exchange servers were down).

You've never had to patch it... yet you installed service 
packs and large updates. I'm not thirsty right now. Hold up, 
I really need a drink right now.

>> Oh, and don't keep more
>> than 2GB of mail either, sizzlechest.
>
>
> Another Linux idiot using extremely outdated info to lie about MS \ 
> products.

Lots of users out there who don't see the point in paying 
$400 for a new version of software that doesn't add any more 
funcitonality than a different UI that looks like Bill Gates 
took too much acid. Don't forget the huge performance 
decrease for the pleasure. Seems like lots of people feel 
that way, since 2003 still has the largest install base.

TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> Thunderbird is a clone of Outlook Express 6.0.  It's basic and it
>> works, but it's slow and if you're not careful and accidentally try
>> to move an item from Sent to a subscribed group, it gets stupid on
>> you and will reindex your entire Sent box.  Mine has 22K entries,
>> and it takes about 30 minutes.
>
> One of my mailboxes has 55k entries, and mutt handles it just fine.
> Loading takes a few seconds. Moving messages around takes
> milliseconds. Same for searching.

I delete my mail.  Except for a few key items, copied to special-purpose
directories.

> No indexing required. Indexing sucks.
>
> I also use mutt to read my mail from the exchange server at work.

What connector do you use for Exchange?  Or do the admin have IMAP set up?

-- 
rugged, adj.:
	Too heavy to lift.

On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:

>> That's good news.
>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>
> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
> her muscles are bigger than mine.

I don't doubt that for a second.

Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?




>> Show us how to search for emails containing 'crapware' and 'freeze' that
>> were sent after 8/1/2010.
>
> Search: Results not found. Hmm... guess I don't deal with
> crapware and freezing much. I guess that's because I run
> GNU.


In other words, you don't know how to search your emails in mutt.  Good 
show.  Very powerful email client you mastered there.



> You've never had to patch it... yet you installed service
> packs and large updates.  I'm not thirsty right now. Hold up,
 > I really need a drink right now.

I never once had to patch any version of MS Office at home.  Some 
updates may have been forced on me at the office.



>>> Oh, and don't keep more
>>> than 2GB of mail either, sizzlechest.
>>
>>
>> Another Linux idiot using extremely outdated info to lie about MS \
>> products.

Apology accepted for your dirtbag lying about Outlook capacity...



> Lots of users out there who don't see the point in paying
> $400 for a new version of software that doesn't add any more
> funcitonality than a different UI that looks like Bill Gates
> took too much acid.

....spoke too soon.  More dirtbag lies about MS Office.



> Don't forget the huge performance
> decrease for the pleasure.

....and still more dirtbag lies.


> Seems like lots of people feel
> that way, since 2003 still has the largest install base.

2003 was a great version.  So was 97.


You probably make your living with WinXP and Office 2003.

On 2010-08-30, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> claimed:
> Marious Barrier posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 08/30/2010 09:27 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>>
>>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>>
>>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>>
>>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>>
>>> MS\Outlook is doomed.

Funny. I don't use Mutt, although it /is/ widely-used. I installed it
and typed "mutt" on the commandline. It worked. No configuration
required for reading mail. Probably minimal for sending, like I'm
accustomed to on most things.

Outhouse required a frickin' _WIZARD_ to get me going. How goofy and
90s can you get??!?

> I don't use Outlook.  Evolution at work and, ah, mutt at home.
>
> I love mutt!  Lean, mean, and fast as hell.

I'll eventually go to Evolution at work. But not today. I prefer Claws
for mail.

> Thanks, DFS, for cluing people into mutt.

I often think about Mutt, as it *is* widely-used. But I usually don't
use it. I may have to reconsider since it's so easy to use.

-- 
I would jog, but the ice would fall out of my glass.
Aspire One, Linux Mint 9 (LXDE)
Friends don't let friends use Windows

On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 10:17 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-08-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>>
>>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>> [deletia]
>>
>>      ...another example of how there are just some tools that should not
>> be used by particular users. You seem to be the poster boy for this sort
>> of thing. Stick to tricycles, or perhaps something with training wheels.
>> There are plenty of options to choose from there and no one (except for
>> the Windows Lemming Hadron) will give you any flack for choosing something
>> different.
>
>
> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight, 

....been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.

[deletia]

   Like I said. Some people should be permanently banned from the machine
shop and thrown back out should they ever attempt to venture inside. They
might cut off their fingers and then sue.

   Choice is good in this respect.


-- 
     This is a consumer product.                                      |||
     World domination simply isn't necessary.                        / | \

On 2010-08-31, Sinister Midget III <fardblossom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2010-08-30, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>> Marious Barrier posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>
>>> On 08/30/2010 09:27 AM, DFS wrote:
>>>> http://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc
>>>>
>>>> Note: so as not to overload Google's servers, I decided not to cut and
>>>> paste 2,200 lines (no exaggeration) of mutt configuration idiocy.
>>>>
>>>> And after you spend weeks mastering and tweaking every ridiculous,
>>>> arcane option of your text-based mutt slopware, how modern and
>>>> sophisticated and powerful does it look?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.davep.org/mutt/screenshots/
>>>>
>>>> MS\Outlook is doomed.
>
> Funny. I don't use Mutt, although it /is/ widely-used. I installed it
> and typed "mutt" on the commandline. It worked. No configuration
> required for reading mail. Probably minimal for sending, like I'm
> accustomed to on most things.

I use mutt. It *did* take a bit of configuration to get my 3 IMAP
accounts set up with encryption etc, but not 2,200 lines.

GentooPenguin$ cat .muttrc
-rw------- 1 gregory users 3941 May  6 10:58 .muttrc

3941 bytes.... not *lines*.

These lying trolls... sheesh!

>
> Outhouse required a frickin' _WIZARD_ to get me going. How goofy and
> 90s can you get??!?

Not wrong. I've been setting up windows 7 on my dad's new laptop. What a
fucking nightmare. Actually, Outhouse was the least of my worries. I
*still* couldn't transfer the old addressbook to the new computer,
despite exporting it as a CSV file. Outhouse just wouldn't accept it and
kept opening it as an Excess spreadshit.

>> Thanks, DFS, for cluing people into mutt.
>
> I often think about Mutt, as it *is* widely-used. But I usually don't
> use it. I may have to reconsider since it's so easy to use.

I can thoroughly recommend it. There's nothing more reliable.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

On 2010-08-30, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> Thunderbird is a clone of Outlook Express 6.0.  It's basic and it
>>> works, but it's slow and if you're not careful and accidentally try
>>> to move an item from Sent to a subscribed group, it gets stupid on
>>> you and will reindex your entire Sent box.  Mine has 22K entries,
>>> and it takes about 30 minutes.
>>
>> One of my mailboxes has 55k entries, and mutt handles it just fine.
>> Loading takes a few seconds. Moving messages around takes
>> milliseconds. Same for searching.
>
> I delete my mail.  Except for a few key items, copied to special-purpose
> directories.

With IMAP you can leave it all in the "cloud". If desired, Mutt does
some local header caching.. and you can set it up to cache messages as
well... to save network load.

Choices, choices... it's enough to send the quark troll insane!

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:38:11 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:


>I use Thunderbird news for one reason: Outlook Express 7.0 (aka Live 
>Mail in Win7) sux bad.  

Live Mail is horrendous.
I don't know what Microsoft was thinking when they let that abortion
loose in the wild.

>I donated $20 to Mozilla Foundation.

Which is probably more than the entire COLA Linux loon brigade has
donated all together.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:38:38 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:


>I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight, 
>and clumsy.
>
>I had to set username, hostname, realname, nnrpaccess, a newsrc file, a 
>server_object, a post_object, generate_message_id, read_active, 
>save_posts, save_replies, postpone_directory.  I also specified a 
>browser (Konqueror) and editor (Kate).  Then I had to set the server env 
>variable.
>
>Far more trouble than it was worth.

Just to change colors, fonts, anything, you have to edit the .slrnrc
file and re-start the application.
Don't like your choices ?
Close slrn, edit the file by hand and start again.

What a step back to the 1980's, or earlier.



-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:38:38 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:


>I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight, 
>and clumsy.

Under Windows or Linux?
Never had a problem with slrn under Linux other than it's fossil like
behavior.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On 30 Aug 2010 22:49:19 GMT, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:


>I'm a sucker for green/white text on a black background. I thing black
>text on a white background is the worst invention ever.

I have to admit I'm a sucker for green on black as well.
First thing I do with Windows command prompt is change the colors to
green on black.

Brings me back to my early days in computing.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:

>On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>
>>> That's good news.
>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>
>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>
>I don't doubt that for a second.
>
>Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?

ROTFLMAO !!

BTW hurricane heading for flatfish central.
You guys may get hit as well on the back end.
My house is on the beach at the moment, but if this thing hits it will
probably be damaged badly and floating over toward 7's part of the
world.
I'm on the bay and have a barrier beach between me and the ocean so
that's a good thing.
They are talking a repeat of 1938 which destroyed the town I live in.

Oh well, that's what insurance is for :)

I'm looking at that new Protools system already....
Only kidding.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:21:25 +0000 (UTC), Phys Ed
<physed@invalid.here> wrote:

>On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> On 8/30/2010 6:52 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>> On 2010-08-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>> I can assure you it looks (for normal text things like nntp/email) far
>>>>> better than any GUI interface as they're known in the context.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what that means.
>>>
>>> You could pretty much just use that line as a substitute for
>>> everything else you say.
>>
>> You can do better, can't you?
>
>Yeah but I need a few more drinks. Gimme a couple of hours.

Points for honesty :)
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:


>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>
> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.

JED sample of one makes slrn stable.

Tim Smith was also victimized: "You hit right-arrow, didn't you?  I've 
hit that bug a fair number of times, when I accidently hit one of those 
while going for up-arrow or down-arrow.  It's the only segfault I've 
seen in slrn."

The crapware developers also have a hint: "If slrn crashes (i.e. gets 
terminated because of a segmentation fault), it may also be helpful if 
you can provide a stack backtrace."
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-FAQ-6.html




> [deletia]
>
>     Like I said. Some people should be permanently banned from the machine
> shop and thrown back out should they ever attempt to venture inside. They
> might cut off their fingers and then sue.

Lunix is running table saws?  I'll stay away.




>     Choice is good in this respect.

Too much choice is best...

On 8/30/2010 10:15 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:38:38 -0400, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>
>
>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>> and clumsy.
>
> Under Windows or Linux?
> Never had a problem with slrn under Linux other than it's fossil like
> behavior.

Under Linux.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:23:35 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:


>Lunix is running table saws?  I'll stay away.

Far, far away......
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On 8/30/2010 10:21 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>
>>>> That's good news.
>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>
>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>
>> I don't doubt that for a second.
>>
>> Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?
>
> ROTFLMAO !!

Notice he quit answering.  Drowning his mutt sorrows in a glass of warm 
milk...





> BTW hurricane heading for flatfish central.
> You guys may get hit as well on the back end.

I saw something about this last night - I'll check right now...

Hurricane Earl:  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31hurricane.html



> My house is on the beach at the moment, but if this thing hits it will
> probably be damaged badly and floating over toward 7's part of the
> world.

It's a double-wide, isn't it?  Just drive it a couple towns over...



> I'm on the bay and have a barrier beach between me and the ocean so
> that's a good thing.
> They are talking a repeat of 1938 which destroyed the town I live in.

Hope it doesn't come to that!



> Oh well, that's what insurance is for :)
> I'm looking at that new Protools system already....
> Only kidding.

I hear there's a Linux version coming soon...

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:33:46 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:

>On 8/30/2010 10:21 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That's good news.
>>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>>
>>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>>
>>> I don't doubt that for a second.
>>>
>>> Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?
>>
>> ROTFLMAO !!
>
>Notice he quit answering.  Drowning his mutt sorrows in a glass of warm 
>milk...

And "cookies" of course :)




>> BTW hurricane heading for flatfish central.
>> You guys may get hit as well on the back end.
>
>I saw something about this last night - I'll check right now...
>
>Hurricane Earl:  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31hurricane.html
>

It ain't looking good :(


>
>> My house is on the beach at the moment, but if this thing hits it will
>> probably be damaged badly and floating over toward 7's part of the
>> world.
>
>It's a double-wide, isn't it?  Just drive it a couple towns over...

Nahh.

They don't allow trailers in my town except temporary ones when
campers/tourists come in the summer.

>> I'm on the bay and have a barrier beach between me and the ocean so
>> that's a good thing.
>> They are talking a repeat of 1938 which destroyed the town I live in.
>
>Hope it doesn't come to that!

So do I !!


>> Oh well, that's what insurance is for :)
>> I'm looking at that new Protools system already....
>> Only kidding.
>
>I hear there's a Linux version coming soon...

Hahahahha!

It will arrive right about the same time Linux overtakes Windows on
the desktop.


-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> On 8/30/2010 6:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>
>> I could run the same set of programs on a more contemporary desktop:
>>
>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png
>
> Who's 'Oliver Schneide' and 'Boyd Stephen Sm'?
>
>> But why would I? What's the benefit?
>
> You don't have to memorize different keystrokes for every Linux (cr)app 
> you use.
>
>> Man pages are easy to search in when you're using a decent pager.
>> less(1) is a decent pager.
>
> OK.  So what's the config variable to show/not show the number of items 
> in each mutt mail folder?
>
>>> Extremely undesirable to 99.999% of the world?  Yes
>>
>> Likely. Don't care. It's desirable to me.
>
> Variation on "works for me".
>
>> <snip list of mutt config vars)
>
> Restored so you can marvel at the easy configuration:
>
> =================================
> abort_nosubject

*snip*

I am going to side on the "advocate" and Tomb side here.

Most defaults make sense.

Mutt, however, sucks : purely (in my view) because its yet another app
with mad config parms that make it something else to learn.. Thats why I
use Gnus .... incredibly complicated BUT because its in the Emacs
framework all the other customisations I have built up over the years
pay dividends.

I use same keys and features editing a bash script as I do in an irc
channel, email or news post. Or an org-mode agenda or .......

You get the idea.

On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 8/30/2010 6:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>
>> I could run the same set of programs on a more contemporary desktop:
>>
>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png
>
> Who's 'Oliver Schneide' and 'Boyd Stephen Sm'?

Ooh, the 'From' column is truncated. Yeah, doesn't happen on a
graphical client /at all/.

>> But why would I? What's the benefit?
>
> You don't have to memorize different keystrokes for every Linux
> (cr)app you use.

This may amaze you, but there's a lot of common keystrokes between
those apps.

The rest is mnemonics. Often it'a only a matter of thinking 'mhh, what
key would *I* have assigned to this action', and then press that key.

>> Man pages are easy to search in when you're using a decent pager.
>> less(1) is a decent pager.
>
> OK.  So what's the config variable to show/not show the number of
> items in each mutt mail folder?

I know that mutt's file browser is configured with the 'folder_format'
variable, but from what I read in the man page it doesn't support
showing the number of articles in a folder.

Perhaps there is a way, but I couldn't find it immediately. Of course
there's always the mutt sidebar patch. On Debian this is in the
mutt-patched package I think, but I'm not sure. Never felt the need to
use it myself.

>>> Extremely undesirable to 99.999% of the world?  Yes
>>
>> Likely. Don't care. It's desirable to me.
>
> Variation on "works for me".

Absolutely not. I want it this way. Even on Windows I go out of my way
to get as minimalistic as possible.

>> <snip list of mutt config vars)
>
> Restored so you can marvel at the easy configuration:

<snipped again because I really don't care>

-- 
 01:11:09 up  3:11,  4 users,  load average: 0.19, 0.20, 0.09
I am son of Liarmutt.
There are only 10 types of people in this world: those who understand
binary, and those who don't...

DFS wrote:

> [snip troll bait]

Ah well ... let's just bite this one for a change ...


Google:  registry editing risky complicated
About 981,000 results (0.21 seconds)

http://tutorial.downloadatoz.com/how-to-edit-registry-key-in-windows-vista.html

 "Editing registry key can be very complicated and highly risky. Please do
  NOT try this unless you are absolutely positive that you might mess up the
  system, and as always, it's highly recommended that you do a backup of the
  registry (or whole system) before making any modifications."

http://www.w7forums.com/there-win7-64-bit-registry-editor-t2259.html

 "If you don't know what you're doing you can easily screw up badly an
  have to re-install."

 "I used to know what I was doing!!!
  Gotta find a 300Gb external backup!!!"

 " An image backup is a good idea. It seems every new version of Windows has
   a bigger, more complicated registry than the last one. Trying to figure
   it out helps keep the brain young.
   Have fun."

etc. etc. etc.

Keywords: "very complicated", "highly risky", "screw up badly", "have to
reinstall [Windows]", "image backup is a good idea", "every new version
more complicated than the last one" ...

> MS\Outlook is doomed.

Let's just say that they're building castles on quicksand.

Richard Rasker
-- 
http://www.linetec.nl

JEDIDIAH posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>
>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight, 
>
> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.

Same here.  slrn has never "crashed" or thrown segfaults on me.

Jeezuz, these trolls could fsck up a steel ball!

-- 
Anyway, my money is still on use strict vars . . .
		-- Larry Wall in <199710011704.KAA21395@wall.org>

TomB posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>>> I could run the same set of programs on a more contemporary desktop:
>>>
>>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png
>
>>> But why would I? What's the benefit?
>>
>> You don't have to memorize different keystrokes for every Linux
>> (cr)app you use.
>
> This may amaze you, but there's a lot of common keystrokes between
> those apps.

Many apps provide a vi-like or emacs-like command set.

Besides, it's not like all Windows applications provided the same
keystrokes.  You do find that stuff like Alt-F O is pretty consistent
(but so is Ctrl-O in the OSS world).

> The rest is mnemonics. Often it'a only a matter of thinking 'mhh, what
> key would *I* have assigned to this action', and then press that key.
>
>>> Man pages are easy to search in when you're using a decent pager.
>>> less(1) is a decent pager.
>>
>> OK.  So what's the config variable to show/not show the number of
>> items in each mutt mail folder?
>
> I know that mutt's file browser is configured with the 'folder_format'
> variable, but from what I read in the man page it doesn't support
> showing the number of articles in a folder.
>
> Perhaps there is a way, but I couldn't find it immediately. Of course
> there's always the mutt sidebar patch. On Debian this is in the
> mutt-patched package I think, but I'm not sure. Never felt the need to
> use it myself.

Do "man muttrc".  There's no easy way to find one specific entry in that
large description of the vast power of mutt.

Might as well ask DFS what Windows Registry edit is needed to greatly speed
up file access on a SAN connected to a Win 2003 Server system.  (I know what
it is because we had to do it so that zipping a moderate size file, under
a 100 Mb, would take nearly an *hour*, clearly pathological.)
 
>>> <snip list of mutt config vars)
>>
>> Restored so you can marvel at the easy configuration:
>
> <snipped again because I really don't care>

These guys are persistent assholes, aren't they?

In any case, what I don't get is that they make fun of the complexities of
the edge cases in the world of GNU/Linux, while ignoring the equally massive
complexities of the edge cases in the world of Windows.

Can you imagine the bitching if we started quoting from the large body of
articles (circa 1 million, 1e06) in the Microsoft Knowledge Base?

-- 
Q:	What's hard going in and soft and sticky coming out?
A:	Chewing gum.

On 2010-08-31, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>
>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>
>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>
> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.

    My anecdote is no less valid than yours.

[deletia]

    ...sauce for the goose.

-- 
	Metallica is not worth the ruination of someone               |||
	who has pirated their music                                  / | \

On 8/31/2010 3:11 AM, TomB wrote:
> On 2010-08-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> On 8/30/2010 6:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>>
>>> I could run the same set of programs on a more contemporary desktop:
>>>
>>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png
>>
>> Who's 'Oliver Schneide' and 'Boyd Stephen Sm'?
>
> Ooh, the 'From' column is truncated. Yeah, doesn't happen on a
> graphical client /at all/.

I can widen my columns, and drag them around to reposition them, then 
click on them to sort them.

What's your configuration commands to do that?



>>> But why would I? What's the benefit?
>>
>> You don't have to memorize different keystrokes for every Linux
>> (cr)app you use.
>
> This may amaze you, but there's a lot of common keystrokes between
> those apps.
>
> The rest is mnemonics. Often it'a only a matter of thinking 'mhh, what
> key would *I* have assigned to this action', and then press that key.
>
>>> Man pages are easy to search in when you're using a decent pager.
>>> less(1) is a decent pager.
>>
>> OK.  So what's the config variable to show/not show the number of
>> items in each mutt mail folder?
>
> I know that mutt's file browser is configured with the 'folder_format'
> variable, but from what I read in the man page it doesn't support
> showing the number of articles in a folder.
>
> Perhaps there is a way, but I couldn't find it immediately. Of course
> there's always the mutt sidebar patch. On Debian this is in the
> mutt-patched package I think, but I'm not sure. Never felt the need to
> use it myself.

240 config variables and no way to show how many email messages are in a 
folder?

mutt devs can't see the forest for the trees.




>>>> Extremely undesirable to 99.999% of the world?  Yes
>>>
>>> Likely. Don't care. It's desirable to me.
>>
>> Variation on "works for me".
>
> Absolutely not. I want it this way. Even on Windows I go out of my way
> to get as minimalistic as possible.

Here's how I keep my desktop

http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Desktop_20100831.png




>>> <snip list of mutt config vars)
>>
>> Restored so you can marvel at the easy configuration:
>
> <snipped again because I really don't care>

Restored again because it's so damn.... 7334!


=================================
abort_nosubject
abort_unmodified
alias_file
alias_format
allow_8bit
allow_ansi
alternates
arrow_cursor
ascii_chars
askbcc
askcc
attach_format
attach_sep
attach_split
attribution
auto_tag
autoedit
beep
beep_new
bounce_delivered
certificate_file
charset
check_new
collapse_unread
compose_format
confirmappend
confirmcreate
connect_timeout
copy
date_format
default_hook
delete
delete_untag
digest_collapse
display_filter
dsn_notify
dsn_return
duplicate_threads
edit_headers
editor
encode_from
entropy_file
envelope_from
escape
fast_reply
fcc_attach
fcc_clear
folder
folder_format
followup_to
force_name
forward_decode
forward_decrypt
forward_format
forward_quote
from
gecos_mask
hdrs
header
help
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hide_missing
hide_top_limited
hide_top_missing
history
honor_followup_to
hostname
ignore_list_reply_to
imap_authenticators
imap_delim_chars
imap_force_ssl
imap_home_namespace
imap_keepalive
imap_list_subscribed
imap_pass
imap_passive
imap_peek
imap_servernoise
imap_user
implicit_autoview
include
indent_string
index number
index_format
ispell
keep_flagged
locale
mail_check
mailcap_path
mailcap_sanitize
maildir_trash
mark_old
markers
mask
mbox
mbox_type
menu_scroll
message_format
meta_key
metoo
mh_purge
mh_seq_flagged
mh_seq_replied
mh_seq_unseen
mime_forward
mime_forward_decode
mime_forward_rest
mix_entry_format
mixmaster
move
pager
pager_context
pager_format
pager_index_lines
pager_stop
pgp_autoencrypt
pgp_autosign
pgp_clearsign_command
pgp_create_traditional
pgp_decode_command
pgp_decrypt_command
pgp_encrypt_only_command
pgp_encrypt_sign_command
pgp_entry_format
pgp_export_command
pgp_getkeys_command
pgp_good_sign
pgp_ignore_subkeys
pgp_import_command
pgp_list_pubring_command
pgp_list_secring_command
pgp_long_ids
pgp_replyencrypt
pgp_replysign
pgp_replysignencrypted
pgp_retainable_sigs
pgp_show_unusable
pgp_sign_as
pgp_sign_command
pgp_sort_keys
pgp_strict_enc
pgp_timeout
pgp_verify_command
pgp_verify_key_command
pgp_verify_sig
pipe_decode
pipe_sep
pipe_split
pop_auth_try_all
pop_authenticators
pop_checkinterval
pop_delete
pop_host
pop_last
pop_pass
pop_reconnect
pop_user
post_indent_string
postpone
postponed
preconnect
print
print_command
print_decode
print_split
prompt_after
query_command
quit
quote_regexp
read_inc
read_only
realname
recall
record
reply_regexp
reply_self
reply_to
resolve
reverse_alias
reverse_name
reverse_realname
rfc2047_parameters
save_address
save_empty
save_name
score
score
score_threshold_delete
score_threshold_flag
score_threshold_read
send_charset
sendmail
sendmail_wait
shell
sig_dashes
sig_on_top
signature
simple_search
sleep_time
smart_wrap
smileys
sort
sort_alias
sort_aux
sort_browser
sort_re
spoolfile
ssl_starttls
ssl_use_sslv2
ssl_use_sslv3
ssl_use_tlsv1
ssl_usesystemcerts
status_chars
status_format
status_on_top
strict_threads
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text_flowed
thorough_search
thread_received
tilde
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tmpdir
to_chars
tunnel
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use_8bitmime
use_domain
use_from
use_ipv6
user_agent
visual
wait_key
weed
wrap_search
wrapmargin
write_bcc
write_inc
=================================

On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>
>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>
>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>
>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.

I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
it throws a segfault...'.

You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for untold 
numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.





> [deletia]
>
>      ...sauce for the goose.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:35:58 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> wrote:

>JEDIDIAH posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight, 
>>
>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>
>Same here.  slrn has never "crashed" or thrown segfaults on me.
>
>Jeezuz, these trolls could fsck up a steel ball!


Google slrn+segfault.
Seems to be a common problem.
Your sample of one means nothing.

Liarmutt sucking up once again without doing the research.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:40:49 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:

>On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>
>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>
>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>
>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>
>I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
>it throws a segfault...'.
>
>You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for untold 
>numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.

I just google it and you are correct DFS.
Seems to be a common problem.

Notice Liarmutt changing the subject, posting one of his [Troll]
messages and once again sucking up without doing the research.

His master Roy has taught him well.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On 2010-08-31, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>
>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>
>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>
>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>
> I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
> it throws a segfault...'.

    Let us know? We might want to fix it? Or tell you what you've screwed up?

    You have a habit of taking things that work fine and ignoring them in 
favor of the most broken alternative you can fine.

    If you said the sky would blue, it would be wise to get 3rd party
confirmation.

-- 
	Metallica is not worth the ruination of someone               |||
	who has pirated their music                                  / | \

Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:40:49 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>>
>>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>>
>>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>>
>>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>>
>>I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
>>it throws a segfault...'.
>>
>>You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for untold 
>>numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.
>
> I just google it and you are correct DFS.
> Seems to be a common problem.
>
> Notice Liarmutt changing the subject, posting one of his [Troll]
> messages and once again sucking up without doing the research.
>
> His master Roy has taught him well.


Indeed. He is lucky that Koehkopf refused his advances as a suckup
can not serve two masters.

Here you can see Liarsuck (he's the little one) guarding his Master
Roy. Ready to nip at yap at any one who criticises his COLA Overlord.

http://www.primetoystore.com/toys%20for%20sale/4jabba.jpg

Heel! Heel I say!

Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:35:58 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
> <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>
>>JEDIDIAH posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>
>>> On 2010-08-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight, 
>>>
>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>
>>Same here.  slrn has never "crashed" or thrown segfaults on me.
>>
>>Jeezuz, these trolls could fsck up a steel ball!
>
> Google slrn+segfault.
> Seems to be a common problem.
> Your sample of one means nothing.
>
> Liarmutt sucking up once again without doing the research.


Also stealing your lines. But changing cannon ball to steel
ball. Typical Freetard lack of originality.

On 2010-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 8/31/2010 3:11 AM, TomB wrote:
>>>
>>>> I could run the same set of programs on a more contemporary
>>>> desktop:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.drumscum.be/cola/gnomey.png
>>>
>>> Who's 'Oliver Schneide' and 'Boyd Stephen Sm'?
>>
>> Ooh, the 'From' column is truncated. Yeah, doesn't happen on a
>> graphical client /at all/.
>
> I can widen my columns, and drag them around to reposition them,
> then click on them to sort them.
>
> What's your configuration commands to do that?

No idea. I think it's just fine the way it is. Never felt the need to
change the default column layout.

Ordering of course is done with
od -> order by date
ot -> order by thread
os -> order by subject
of -> order by 'from'
....

>>>> But why would I? What's the benefit?
>>>
>>> You don't have to memorize different keystrokes for every Linux
>>> (cr)app you use.
>>
>> This may amaze you, but there's a lot of common keystrokes between
>> those apps.
>>
>> The rest is mnemonics. Often it'a only a matter of thinking 'mhh,
>> what key would *I* have assigned to this action', and then press
>> that key.
>>
>>>> Man pages are easy to search in when you're using a decent pager.
>>>> less(1) is a decent pager.
>>>
>>> OK.  So what's the config variable to show/not show the number of
>>> items in each mutt mail folder?
>>
>> I know that mutt's file browser is configured with the
>> 'folder_format' variable, but from what I read in the man page it
>> doesn't support showing the number of articles in a folder.
>>
>> Perhaps there is a way, but I couldn't find it immediately. Of
>> course there's always the mutt sidebar patch. On Debian this is in
>> the mutt-patched package I think, but I'm not sure. Never felt the
>> need to use it myself.
>
> 240 config variables and no way to show how many email messages are
> in a folder?
>
> mutt devs can't see the forest for the trees.

You get the detailed stats in the top bar when you have a mailbox
open. Suits me just fine.

>>>>> Extremely undesirable to 99.999% of the world?  Yes
>>>>
>>>> Likely. Don't care. It's desirable to me.
>>>
>>> Variation on "works for me".
>>
>> Absolutely not. I want it this way. Even on Windows I go out of my
>> way to get as minimalistic as possible.
>
> Here's how I keep my desktop
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Desktop_20100831.png

Very clean indeed. When I'm on W7 the first thing I do is turn on the
classic windows style, and set the taskbar to use small icons (which
also makes the taskbar smaller) and old-style task buttons.

>>>> <snip list of mutt config vars)
>>>
>>> Restored so you can marvel at the easy configuration:
>>
>> <snipped again because I really don't care>
>
> Restored again because it's so damn.... 7334!

<snipped again because you misspelled 1337>

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DFS posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>
>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>
>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>
>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>
> I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
> it throws a segfault...'.
>
> You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for untold 
> numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.

You know, as a human being, this guy is miserable.

-- 
"Oh dear, I think you'll find reality's on the blink again."
		-- Marvin The Paranoid Android

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> writes:

> DFS posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>>
>>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>>
>>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>>
>>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>>
>> I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
>> it throws a segfault...'.
>>
>> You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for untold 
>> numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.
>
> You know, as a human being, this guy is miserable.

You really must stop this snipping and sniping. It makes you look REALLY
lame.

DFS was right.

People DO have these issues.

On 2010-08-31, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2010-08-31, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>>
>>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>>
>>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>>
>>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>>
>> I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
>> it throws a segfault...'.
>
>     Let us know? We might want to fix it? Or tell you what you've screwed up?
>
>     You have a habit of taking things that work fine and ignoring them in 
> favor of the most broken alternative you can fine.
>
>     If you said the sky would blue, it would be wise to get 3rd party
> confirmation.

I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.

Typical troll.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> writes:

> On 2010-08-31, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> On 2010-08-31, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>>>
>>>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>>>
>>> I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
>>> it throws a segfault...'.
>>
>>     Let us know? We might want to fix it? Or tell you what you've screwed up?
>>
>>     You have a habit of taking things that work fine and ignoring them in 
>> favor of the most broken alternative you can fine.
>>
>>     If you said the sky would blue, it would be wise to get 3rd party
>> confirmation.
>
> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>
> Typical troll.

http://www.google.com/search?q=slrn+segfault

Google. Its good.

On 8/31/2010 4:02 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> DFS posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>>
>>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>>
>>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>>
>>>       My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>>
>> I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if
>> it throws a segfault...'.
>>
>> You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for untold
>> numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.
>
> You know, as a human being, this guy is miserable.

JED's not really miserable... more angry than anything.

On 8/31/2010 1:22 PM, TomB wrote:

> <snipped again because you misspelled 1337>

Left snipped because I misspelled 1337...

On 8/31/2010 5:00 PM, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>
> Typical troll.


Damn but you 'sample of one' morons are dense.

http://www.google.com/search?q=slrn+segfault

On 2010-08-31, Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> claimed:

> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.

I picked it up in the early aughties, maybe 2001/2/3. There hasn't been
a single segafualt. Not one.

The /only/ problems I've had have been with encoding (which I fixed
elsewhere, not in slrn) and getting it to run remotely from my other
machine to the netbook I'm carrying (and that one, when it happens, is
a networking problem, not a slrn problem). No segaults, crashes,
lockups or any other errors.

> Typical troll.

No, he's dumber than most. I used to think he was simply dishonest. But
I'm beginning to believe it really is an uncanny ineptitude that the
other trolls are trying hard to pretend they also have. The funny part
to me is that the other trolls apparently think being a total buffoon
is a desirable trait and try to emulate Doofie.

-- 
One picture is worth 128K words.
Aspire One, Linux Mint 9 (LXDE)
Friends don't let friends use Windows

Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>
> Typical troll.

+mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
+slrn+segfault About 9,300 results 
+gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
+mutt+segfault About 134,000 results 
+mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
+windows+segfault About 479,000 results
+vim+segfault About 515,000 results
+openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results

Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.

-- 
Briefly stated, the findings are that when presented with an array of
data or a sequence of events in which they are instructed to discover
an underlying order, subjects show strong tendencies to perceive order
and causality in random arrays, to perceive a pattern or correlation
which seems a priori intuitively correct even when the actual correlation
in the data is counterintuitive, to jump to conclusions about the correct
hypothesis, to seek and to use only positive or confirmatory evidence, to
construe evidence liberally as confirmatory, to fail to generate or to
assess alternative hypotheses, and having thus managed to expose themselves
only to confirmatory instances, to be fallaciously confident of the validity
of their judgments (Jahoda, 1969; Einhorn and Hogarth, 1978).  In the
analyzing of past events, these tendencies are exacerbated by failure to
appreciate the pitfalls of post hoc analyses.
		-- A. Benjamin

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> writes:

> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>
>> Typical troll.
>
> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results 
> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results 
> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
> +windows+segfault About 479,000 results
> +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>
> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.

I note that in your Master's absence YOU have taken it on yourself to
post with signatures which break all agreed standards. Why are you such
a hypocrite? Waffling on about bloatware and standards and yet YOU
choose when to adhere to them?

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:18:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
> 
>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>
>> Typical troll.
> 
> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results
> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results
> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results +windows+segfault About 479,000
> results +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
> 
> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.


Lol, I'm not so sure Google is a entirely valid way of determining 
segfaults :-

clippy segfault  About 1,590 results
tom cruise segfault About 536 results
windows segfault About 482,000 results
windows 7 segfault About 353,000 results
aliens segfault About 173,000 results
audi segfault About 25,600 results
troll segfault About 301,000 results
porter segfault About 46,900 results
Ahlstrom segfault About 1,280

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On 8/31/2010 8:18 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>
>> Typical troll.
>
> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results
> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results
> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
> +windows+segfault About 479,000 results
> +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>
> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.


Sure thing, dumbass:


 From the changelog
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/changes.txt

* Some translations (fr/ko/nl/ru) were broken and could cause segfaults.
* Fixed a segfault while scoring. (Byrial Jensen)
* Fixed rare segfault caused by broken "References:" lines. (Felix 
Schueller)
* Fixed a segfault while browsing URLs.
* Multiple '%s' in (non_)Xbrowser are handled correctly (fixes segfault).
* Fixed segfault when trying to get an expunged article back in a 
non-threaded sorting mode.
* Fixed segfault when no regexp is given in a scorefile entry.



 From the official FAQ: "If slrn crashes (i.e. gets terminated because 
of a segmentation fault), it may also be helpful if you can provide a 
stack backtrace."
http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-FAQ-6.html


And: "New installation of slrn on Mandriva 2007. When I try to copy and
paste using my mouse, I get a "segmentation fault - core dumped" slrn
crashes and I have to recover it next time it runs."
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/news.software.readers/2008-09/msg00269.html



http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-410135-slrn-charset-fallback-causes-regular-segfaults-when-expunging-help-167026091.html




Take heart: It's not the worst hobbyware in existence.

Terry Porter posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:18:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>> 
>>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>>
>>> Typical troll.
>> 
>> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
>> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results
>> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
>> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results
>> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results +windows+segfault About 479,000
>> results +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
>> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>> 
>> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.
>
> Lol, I'm not so sure Google is a entirely valid way of determining 
> segfaults :-
>
> clippy segfault  About 1,590 results
> tom cruise segfault About 536 results
> windows segfault About 482,000 results
> windows 7 segfault About 353,000 results
> aliens segfault About 173,000 results
> audi segfault About 25,600 results
> troll segfault About 301,000 results
> porter segfault About 46,900 results
> Ahlstrom segfault About 1,280

Agreed.  But comparing the apps is probably reasonable, to get a proportion.

Say!  The latest issue of Linux Journal has an article about mutt.
Cool!

In fact, the whole issue is a paean to the beautiful Linux command-line.

-- 
Footnotes are for things you believe don't really belong in LDP manuals,
but want to include anyway.
		-- Joel N. Weber II discussing the 'make' chapter of LPG

Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
> DFS posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

>> You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for
>> untold numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.
> 
> You know, as a human being, this guy is miserable.

Human?

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DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> On 8/31/2010 8:18 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>
>>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>>
>>> Typical troll.
>>
>> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
>> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results
>> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
>> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results
>> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
>> +windows+segfault About 479,000 results
>> +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
>> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>>
>> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.
>
> Sure thing, dumbass:
>
>  From the changelog
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/changes.txt
>
> * Some translations (fr/ko/nl/ru) were broken and could cause segfaults.
> * Fixed a segfault while scoring. (Byrial Jensen)
> * Fixed rare segfault caused by broken "References:" lines. (Felix 
> Schueller)
> * Fixed a segfault while browsing URLs.
> * Multiple '%s' in (non_)Xbrowser are handled correctly (fixes segfault).
> * Fixed segfault when trying to get an expunged article back in a 
> non-threaded sorting mode.
> * Fixed segfault when no regexp is given in a scorefile entry.
>
>  From the official FAQ: "If slrn crashes (i.e. gets terminated because 
> of a segmentation fault), it may also be helpful if you can provide a 
> stack backtrace."
> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-FAQ-6.html
>
> And: "New installation of slrn on Mandriva 2007. When I try to copy and
> paste using my mouse, I get a "segmentation fault - core dumped" slrn
> crashes and I have to recover it next time it runs."
> http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/news.software.readers/2008-09/msg00269.html
>
> http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-410135-slrn-charset-fallback-causes-regular-segfaults-when-expunging-help-167026091.html
>
> Take heart: It's not the worst hobbyware in existence.


Surely Creepy knows by know he cant just make things up and suck up
without having to justify himself?

His latest goal post moving and making things up (lies) in the thread about
DTP is simply astonishing even for him.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:56:21 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Terry Porter posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
> 
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:18:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>> 
>>>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>>>
>>>> Typical troll.
>>> 
>>> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
>>> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results
>>> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
>>> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results
>>> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results +windows+segfault About
>>> 479,000 results +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
>>> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>>> 
>>> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.
>>
>> Lol, I'm not so sure Google is a entirely valid way of determining
>> segfaults :-
>>
>> clippy segfault  About 1,590 results
>> tom cruise segfault About 536 results windows segfault About 482,000
>> results windows 7 segfault About 353,000 results aliens segfault About
>> 173,000 results audi segfault About 25,600 results
>> troll segfault About 301,000 results
>> porter segfault About 46,900 results
>> Ahlstrom segfault About 1,280
> 
> Agreed.  But comparing the apps is probably reasonable, to get a
> proportion.

True, how else would this metric be so easily obtained ?

I note you have less segfaults than me, obviously your coding is much 
better ;-)


> 
> Say!  The latest issue of Linux Journal has an article about mutt. Cool!
> 
> In fact, the whole issue is a paean to the beautiful Linux command-line.



Awesome!

When it shows up in Australia, I'll buy half a dozen copies and give them 
to our local LUG because I'm certainly very grateful for the Linux 
command line.





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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:02:41 +0200, Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> writes:
>
>> DFS posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>
>>> On 8/31/2010 9:04 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>> On 2010-08-31, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/30/2010 8:53 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I posted about 20 times from slrn (it threw segmentation faults
>>>>>>> and crashed twice in the first few minutes).  It was fast, lightweight,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...been using it for more than 10 years and never had nonsense like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> JED sample of one makes slrn stable.
>>>>
>>>>      My anecdote is no less valid than yours.
>>>
>>> I have myself, Tim Smith, and the slrn developers themselves saying 'if 
>>> it throws a segfault...'.
>>>
>>> You have yourself and Linosuck.  I win, before even Googling for untold 
>>> numbers of victims of slrn segfaults.
>>
>> You know, as a human being, this guy is miserable.
>
>You really must stop this snipping and sniping. It makes you look REALLY
>lame.
>
>DFS was right.
>
>People DO have these issues.

Which is why Liarmutt posted this drivel in the first place.
He can't stand the truth and the fact that he once again sucked up
without checking his facts.

A quick Google will confirm what DFS claimed.

Liarmutt loses once again.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:22:41 +0200, Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> writes:
>
>> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>
>>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>>
>>> Typical troll.
>>
>> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
>> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results 
>> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
>> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results 
>> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
>> +windows+segfault About 479,000 results
>> +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
>> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>>
>> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.
>
>I note that in your Master's absence YOU have taken it on yourself to
>post with signatures which break all agreed standards. Why are you such
>a hypocrite? Waffling on about bloatware and standards and yet YOU
>choose when to adhere to them?


Liarmutt has obviously gotten his marching orders from his master Roy.
Isn't it amazing how he emulates his master?

It's like that RCA dog howling into the record player with the caption
that says "his master's voice".

Here is Liarmutt listening to his marching orders from his master Roy:

http://www.phaudio.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3353936487_19e9efd8ce_o2.jpg
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:49:51 -0500, Terry Porter
<linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:


>Lol, I'm not so sure Google is a entirely valid way of determining 
>segfaults :-

But hit's from Linux browsers to your Linux site is an accurate method
of determining market share of Linux vs Windows.

Ok.

I get it......
-- 
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:14:12 +0200, Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
wrote:

>DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>
>> On 8/31/2010 8:18 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>>
>>>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>>>
>>>> Typical troll.
>>>
>>> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
>>> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results
>>> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
>>> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results
>>> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
>>> +windows+segfault About 479,000 results
>>> +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
>>> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>>>
>>> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.
>>
>> Sure thing, dumbass:
>>
>>  From the changelog
>> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/changes.txt
>>
>> * Some translations (fr/ko/nl/ru) were broken and could cause segfaults.
>> * Fixed a segfault while scoring. (Byrial Jensen)
>> * Fixed rare segfault caused by broken "References:" lines. (Felix 
>> Schueller)
>> * Fixed a segfault while browsing URLs.
>> * Multiple '%s' in (non_)Xbrowser are handled correctly (fixes segfault).
>> * Fixed segfault when trying to get an expunged article back in a 
>> non-threaded sorting mode.
>> * Fixed segfault when no regexp is given in a scorefile entry.
>>
>>  From the official FAQ: "If slrn crashes (i.e. gets terminated because 
>> of a segmentation fault), it may also be helpful if you can provide a 
>> stack backtrace."
>> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-FAQ-6.html
>>
>> And: "New installation of slrn on Mandriva 2007. When I try to copy and
>> paste using my mouse, I get a "segmentation fault - core dumped" slrn
>> crashes and I have to recover it next time it runs."
>> http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/news.software.readers/2008-09/msg00269.html
>>
>> http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-410135-slrn-charset-fallback-causes-regular-segfaults-when-expunging-help-167026091.html
>>
>> Take heart: It's not the worst hobbyware in existence.
>
>
>Surely Creepy knows by know he cant just make things up and suck up
>without having to justify himself?
>
>His latest goal post moving and making things up (lies) in the thread about
>DTP is simply astonishing even for him.

Liarmutt has sunk to a new low.
I don't think he can get any worse.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:22:41 +0200, Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstrom@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>
>>> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>>
>>>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>>>
>>>> Typical troll.
>>>
>>> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
>>> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results 
>>> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
>>> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results 
>>> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
>>> +windows+segfault About 479,000 results
>>> +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
>>> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>>>
>>> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.
>>
>>I note that in your Master's absence YOU have taken it on yourself to
>>post with signatures which break all agreed standards. Why are you such
>>a hypocrite? Waffling on about bloatware and standards and yet YOU
>>choose when to adhere to them?
>
> Liarmutt has obviously gotten his marching orders from his master Roy.
> Isn't it amazing how he emulates his master?
>
> It's like that RCA dog howling into the record player with the caption
> that says "his master's voice".
>
> Here is Liarmutt listening to his marching orders from his master Roy:
>
> http://www.phaudio.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3353936487_19e9efd8ce_o2.jpg

Yes. His Master taught him well.

Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:14:12 +0200, Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 8/31/2010 8:18 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never had slrn segfault on me. I've been using it for years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Typical troll.
>>>>
>>>> +mrxvt+segfault About 7,880 results
>>>> +slrn+segfault About 9,300 results
>>>> +gvim+segfault About 32,400 results
>>>> +mutt+segfault About 134,000 results
>>>> +mplayer+segfault About 333,000 results
>>>> +windows+segfault About 479,000 results
>>>> +vim+segfault About 515,000 results
>>>> +openoffice+segfault About 671,000 results
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, DFS sure can fsck up a steel ball.
>>>
>>> Sure thing, dumbass:
>>>
>>>  From the changelog
>>> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/changes.txt
>>>
>>> * Some translations (fr/ko/nl/ru) were broken and could cause segfaults.
>>> * Fixed a segfault while scoring. (Byrial Jensen)
>>> * Fixed rare segfault caused by broken "References:" lines. (Felix 
>>> Schueller)
>>> * Fixed a segfault while browsing URLs.
>>> * Multiple '%s' in (non_)Xbrowser are handled correctly (fixes segfault).
>>> * Fixed segfault when trying to get an expunged article back in a 
>>> non-threaded sorting mode.
>>> * Fixed segfault when no regexp is given in a scorefile entry.
>>>
>>>  From the official FAQ: "If slrn crashes (i.e. gets terminated because 
>>> of a segmentation fault), it may also be helpful if you can provide a 
>>> stack backtrace."
>>> http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-FAQ-6.html
>>>
>>> And: "New installation of slrn on Mandriva 2007. When I try to copy and
>>> paste using my mouse, I get a "segmentation fault - core dumped" slrn
>>> crashes and I have to recover it next time it runs."
>>> http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Misc/news.software.readers/2008-09/msg00269.html
>>>
>>> http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-410135-slrn-charset-fallback-causes-regular-segfaults-when-expunging-help-167026091.html
>>>
>>> Take heart: It's not the worst hobbyware in existence.
>>
>>
>>Surely Creepy knows by know he cant just make things up and suck up
>>without having to justify himself?
>>
>>His latest goal post moving and making things up (lies) in the thread about
>>DTP is simply astonishing even for him.
>
> Liarmutt has sunk to a new low.
> I don't think he can get any worse.


It does seem that way. If we look at who is throwing him a bone these
days it really is the bottom of the barrel.

Currently the following give him the occasional pat

chrisv
Terrance Telnet Porter
hpt
William Poaster

Did you ever see such a team of useless "advocates"?

I think Chris is pining for his Master Roy : especially after his
attempts to suck up to Peter just earned him a kick up the arse after
Chris accidentally landed Peter more and more in the shit after
describing him as a "Master C programmer". LOL. His new Master Peter was
none too pleased and it was back to the kennel for Creepy.


<rubs tears of laughter from eyes ...>

On 2010-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 8/31/2010 1:22 PM, TomB wrote:
>
>> <snipped again because you misspelled 1337>
>
> Left snipped because I misspelled 1337...

Mhoeha!

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Terry Porter posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:56:21 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Say!  The latest issue of Linux Journal has an article about mutt. Cool!
>> 
>> In fact, the whole issue is a paean to the beautiful Linux command-line.
>
> Awesome!
>
> When it shows up in Australia, I'll buy half a dozen copies and give them 
> to our local LUG because I'm certainly very grateful for the Linux 
> command line.

I'm a bad Linux advocate... I was using Linux when testing some network
equipment, and a guy came up to me.  He noted this was the first time he'd
ever seen Linux, and did I "have" to use all those command windows?

I told him that, no, I just prefer to use them for a lot of tasks.
But I'm sure the stereotype was reinforced in his mind.  :-(

Say, maybe that's how "Hadron" advocates Linux.  He shows all the newbies
his xmonad desktop and all the "kewl" command-line "tewls", thoroughly
turning them off to ever using Linux.  :-D

-- 
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On 2010-08-31, Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>
>>>> That's good news.
>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>
>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>
>>I don't doubt that for a second.
>>
>>Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?

I go upstairs to get it. I don't want her coming down here. 
You wouldn't want my momma coming near you either. 
Especially if she knows you're a Billy Puppet.

On 2010-08-31, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> On 8/30/2010 10:21 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That's good news.
>>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>>
>>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>>
>>> I don't doubt that for a second.
>>>
>>> Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?
>>
>> ROTFLMAO !!
>
> Notice he quit answering.  Drowning his mutt sorrows in a glass of warm 
> milk...

Actually I just finished a bottle of Wild Turkey. What do 
you think I do, hang out on usenet all day long?

On 2010-08-31, Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:33:46 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8/30/2010 10:21 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> That's good news.
>>>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>>>
>>>> I don't doubt that for a second.
>>>>
>>>> Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO !!
>>
>>Notice he quit answering.  Drowning his mutt sorrows in a glass of warm 
>>milk...
>
> And "cookies" of course :)
>
>
>
>
>>> BTW hurricane heading for flatfish central.
>>> You guys may get hit as well on the back end.
>>
>>I saw something about this last night - I'll check right now...
>>
>>Hurricane Earl:  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31hurricane.html
>>
>
> It ain't looking good :(
>
>
>>
>>> My house is on the beach at the moment, but if this thing hits it will
>>> probably be damaged badly and floating over toward 7's part of the
>>> world.
>>
>>It's a double-wide, isn't it?  Just drive it a couple towns over...
>
> Nahh.
>
> They don't allow trailers in my town except temporary ones when
> campers/tourists come in the summer.
>
>>> I'm on the bay and have a barrier beach between me and the ocean so
>>> that's a good thing.
>>> They are talking a repeat of 1938 which destroyed the town I live in.
>>
>>Hope it doesn't come to that!
>
> So do I !!
>
>
>>> Oh well, that's what insurance is for :)
>>> I'm looking at that new Protools system already....
>>> Only kidding.
>>
>>I hear there's a Linux version coming soon...
>
> Hahahahha!
>
> It will arrive right about the same time Linux overtakes Windows on
> the desktop.

Come on guys, you know that it's against Microsoft company 
policy to be over there in Redmond sucking each other off in 
your cubicles. Get back to shilling or go home without pay 
for the day.

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:03:03 +0000 (UTC), Phys Ed <physed@invalid.here>
wrote:

>On 2010-08-31, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> On 8/30/2010 10:21 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> That's good news.
>>>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>>>
>>>> I don't doubt that for a second.
>>>>
>>>> Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO !!
>>
>> Notice he quit answering.  Drowning his mutt sorrows in a glass of warm 
>> milk...
>
>Actually I just finished a bottle of Wild Turkey. What do 
>you think I do, hang out on usenet all day long?

Yep.
Under various nyms.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 21:05:47 +0000 (UTC), Phys Ed <physed@invalid.here>
wrote:

>On 2010-08-31, Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:33:46 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/30/2010 10:21 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's good news.
>>>>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>>>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't doubt that for a second.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?
>>>>
>>>> ROTFLMAO !!
>>>
>>>Notice he quit answering.  Drowning his mutt sorrows in a glass of warm 
>>>milk...
>>
>> And "cookies" of course :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> BTW hurricane heading for flatfish central.
>>>> You guys may get hit as well on the back end.
>>>
>>>I saw something about this last night - I'll check right now...
>>>
>>>Hurricane Earl:  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/us/31hurricane.html
>>>
>>
>> It ain't looking good :(
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> My house is on the beach at the moment, but if this thing hits it will
>>>> probably be damaged badly and floating over toward 7's part of the
>>>> world.
>>>
>>>It's a double-wide, isn't it?  Just drive it a couple towns over...
>>
>> Nahh.
>>
>> They don't allow trailers in my town except temporary ones when
>> campers/tourists come in the summer.
>>
>>>> I'm on the bay and have a barrier beach between me and the ocean so
>>>> that's a good thing.
>>>> They are talking a repeat of 1938 which destroyed the town I live in.
>>>
>>>Hope it doesn't come to that!
>>
>> So do I !!
>>
>>
>>>> Oh well, that's what insurance is for :)
>>>> I'm looking at that new Protools system already....
>>>> Only kidding.
>>>
>>>I hear there's a Linux version coming soon...
>>
>> Hahahahha!
>>
>> It will arrive right about the same time Linux overtakes Windows on
>> the desktop.
>
>Come on guys, you know that it's against Microsoft company 
>policy to be over there in Redmond sucking each other off in 
>your cubicles. Get back to shilling or go home without pay 
>for the day.


I don't have a job.
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

On 2010-09-01, Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't have a job.

Okay, so you spend your spare time shilling and railing 
against a kernel that's given away for free? What else do 
you do with your miserable life? Drive around in your beat 
up Mazda 2200 throwing spoiled eggs at Salvation Army Santas 
during the holidays?

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 23:08:32 +0000 (UTC), Phys Ed <physed@invalid.here>
wrote:

>On 2010-09-01, Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I don't have a job.
>
>Okay, so you spend your spare time shilling and railing 
>against a kernel that's given away for free?

No. I expose you Linux frauds for the liars that you are.


> What else do 
>you do with your miserable life? Drive around in your beat 
>up Mazda 2200 throwing spoiled eggs at Salvation Army Santas 
>during the holidays?

Actually I spend a lot of time in my 2010 Shelby Mustang Convertible.
http://pulseautosport.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-convertible/ford-mustang_shelby_gt500_convertible_2010_1280x960_wallpaper_08.jpg

My car is black though.

And you?
-- 
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Linux...Disappointing users for 19 years.
Linux::It's free when your time has no value.
See Liarmutt in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM

Phys Ed posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 2010-08-31, Moshe Goldfarb <moshe_golfarb@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:47:36 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/30/2010 7:33 PM, Phys Ed wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That's good news.
>>>>> Say, you have a degree in Phys Ed?
>>>>> muscles and mutt... Momma must be proud of you.
>>>>
>>>> Nah - Momma reads her email straight from the spooler and
>>>> her muscles are bigger than mine.
>>>
>>>I don't doubt that for a second.
>>>
>>>Does she bring dinner down to the basement for you, or do you go upstairs?
>
> I go upstairs to get it. I don't want her coming down here. 
> You wouldn't want my momma coming near you either. 
> Especially if she knows you're a Billy Puppet.

I hate when they call it the "basement".

It is my "Man Cave"!

-- 
I'm mentally OVERDRAWN!  What's that SIGNPOST up ahead?  Where's ROD
STERLING when you really need him?

On 9/1/2010 7:30 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> Actually I spend a lot of time in my 2010 Shelby Mustang Convertible.
> http://pulseautosport.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-convertible/ford-mustang_shelby_gt500_convertible_2010_1280x960_wallpaper_08.jpg
>
> My car is black though.

How sweet is that!?



> And you?

Phys Ed has his Moms drive him back and forth.

On 2010-09-02, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> On 9/1/2010 7:30 PM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> Actually I spend a lot of time in my 2010 Shelby Mustang Convertible.
>> http://pulseautosport.com/wp-content/gallery/2010-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-convertible/ford-mustang_shelby_gt500_convertible_2010_1280x960_wallpaper_08.jpg
>>
>> My car is black though.
>
> How sweet is that!?
>
>
>
>> And you?
>
> Phys Ed has his Moms drive him back and forth.
>

How did you know I have two Moms? Just like you've got 25 
"dads".