<http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung-Galaxy-Tab>

$350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.

That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.

According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all 
socks?),
the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for 
250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by 
turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER


-- 
"I only have one reason for not buying an
iPad: I don't need one." -- Alan Baker

In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung
> -Galaxy-Tab>
> 
> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> 
> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> 
> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all 
> socks?),
> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for 
> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by 
> turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER

Reading lessons later...

You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a 
dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years.  Of course, you can go with the 
cheaper plan if you give up that $50.

But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2 
years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.

I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many 
of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any 
cell data plan at all.

So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.  So 
$600/24=$25/month

Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.

Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because 
of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.

So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.

-- 
Lloyd

On 1/21/2011 7:37 AM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung-Galaxy-Tab>
>
> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.

Nope.

To qualify for the instant discount, you must activate a new line of 
service with an Even More� webConnectData plan of $39.99 or higher rate 
plan on a two-year service agreement. Even More� Family Plans may 
qualify for up to five instant discounts.

To qualify for the mail-in rebate card you must activate a new line of 
service on an Even More� webConnect Data rate plan of $39.99 or higher 
with a 2 year service agreement.

>
> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
> socks?),
> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by
> turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER

What Verizon is doing with the Galaxy Tablet is more appealing. $449, 
and no data plan is required.

A tablet on T-Mobile with 3G is useless to many people because their 3G 
footprint is so small.

On Jan 21, 5:37=A0am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:
> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...=
>
>
> $350 for a Galaxy Tab. =A0 =A02 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
> socks?),
> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money b=
y
> turning the plan off! =A0 LOLLERCOASTER

Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, we
*can* turn our data plan off. I have had my iPad for about 7 months
now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
$25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
news:lloydparsons-2DB4B1.09551621012011@port80.individual.net...
> In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung
>> -Galaxy-Tab>
>>
>> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>>
>> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>>
>> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
>> socks?),
>> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
>> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money 
>> by
>> turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER
>
> Reading lessons later...

Lloyd is giving lessons in how to read like an idiot later.

> You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years.  Of course, you can go with the
> cheaper plan if you give up that $50.

That's a 5 GB data plan.

> But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.

Sort of like giving the price of a cell phone with no carrier charges.

> I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> cell data plan at all.

How about I feel that getting the data plan I want anyway also lets me save 
a big buck on a really nice tablet computer?

> So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.  So
> $600/24=$25/month

You forgot to give the price of your cell phone over the next two years 
without any cell phone service.

> Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.

So for $14.59 more a month, one can spend two years video chatting on a 
Galaxy Tab, playing Flash videos and games, making camcorder videos, using 
GPS, and a host of other things you can't do with an iPad even when it's 
connected to a data service.

> Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.

LOLLERCOASTER 

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:a84fd80a-6b60-44db-9609-988bd9d8daa6@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 5:37 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:
> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...>
>
> $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
> socks?),
> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by
> turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER

DF: Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, we
*can* turn our data plan off.

Having trouble reading , Dave?    I noted that in my post.

DF: I have had my iPad for about 7 months
now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
$25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.

Is your cell phone also a better deal after you cancelled your cell phone 
service?

LOLLERCOASTER 

In article <ihch50$1vg$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
> news:lloydparsons-2DB4B1.09551621012011@port80.individual.net...
> > In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Sams
> >> ung
> >> -Galaxy-Tab>
> >>
> >> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> >>
> >> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> >>
> >> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
> >> socks?),
> >> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
> >> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money 
> >> by
> >> turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER
> >
> > Reading lessons later...
> 
> Lloyd is giving lessons in how to read like an idiot later.
> 
> > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years.  Of course, you can go with the
> > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> 
> That's a 5 GB data plan.
> 
Yep, and required if you take all the hardware rebates.  Or didn't you 
read that part?

> > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> 
> Sort of like giving the price of a cell phone with no carrier charges.
>
Which is a bogus way to compare.
 
> > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> > of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > cell data plan at all.
> 
> How about I feel that getting the data plan I want anyway also lets me save 
> a big buck on a really nice tablet computer?
>
So you want to have a $40/month for 2 year data plan?  Fine, go buy one 
then.
 
> > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.  So
> > $600/24=$25/month
> 
> You forgot to give the price of your cell phone over the next two years 
> without any cell phone service.
>
OK, I'll add in the price for my cell phone useage for 2 years 
@$15/month.  Or I could just use Skype for nada or nearly so.
 
> > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> 
> So for $14.59 more a month, one can spend two years video chatting on a 
> Galaxy Tab, playing Flash videos and games, making camcorder videos, using 
> GPS, and a host of other things you can't do with an iPad even when it's 
> connected to a data service.
>
I guess if that is what floats your boat.  I find none of those things 
to be compelling, or even very interesting.
 
> > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
> >
> > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
> 
> LOLLERCOASTER

-- 
Lloyd

In article <ihch9v$27t$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:a84fd80a-6b60-44db-9609-988bd9d8daa6@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 5:37 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> wrote:
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...>
> >
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> >
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> >
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by
> > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
> 
> DF: Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, we
> *can* turn our data plan off.
> 
> Having trouble reading , Dave?    I noted that in my post.
> 
> DF: I have had my iPad for about 7 months
> now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
> $25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.
> 
> Is your cell phone also a better deal after you cancelled your cell phone 
> service?

Which isn't a valid comparison since the iPad doesn't need a data plan 
to be perfectly functional and useful.

-- 
Lloyd

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message 
news:4d39b0a7$0$44018$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> On 1/21/2011 7:37 AM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
>> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung-Galaxy-Tab>
>>
>> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> Nope.
>
> To qualify for the instant discount, you must activate a new line of 
> service with an Even More� webConnectData plan of $39.99 or higher rate 
> plan on a two-year service agreement. Even More� Family Plans may qualify 
> for up to five instant discounts.

So add $50 and a 5 GB data plan.

> To qualify for the mail-in rebate card you must activate a new line of 
> service on an Even More� webConnect Data rate plan of $39.99 or higher 
> with a 2 year service agreement.
>
>>
>> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>>
>> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
>> socks?),
>> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
>> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money 
>> by
>> turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER
>
> What Verizon is doing with the Galaxy Tablet is more appealing. $449, and 
> no data plan is required.

No video chatting required either?    No video streaming either?   Do away 
with those unnecessary things?    LOL

> A tablet on T-Mobile with 3G is useless to many people because their 3G 
> footprint is so small.

So what you're saying is I can get a Galaxy Tab from Verzion for $51 less 
than an iPad from Apple.

KDT, Alan Baker, and all of his other socks must be thrilled to death.

LOLLERCOASTER 

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
news:lloydparsons-7C81B2.11593021012011@port80.individual.net...
> In article <ihch9v$27t$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a84fd80a-6b60-44db-9609-988bd9d8daa6@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 21, 5:37 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
>> wrote:
>> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...>
>> >
>> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>> >
>> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>> >
>> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they 
>> > all
>> > socks?),
>> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan 
>> > for
>> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money 
>> > by
>> > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>>
>> DF: Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, we
>> *can* turn our data plan off.
>>
>> Having trouble reading , Dave?    I noted that in my post.
>>
>> DF: I have had my iPad for about 7 months
>> now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
>> $25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.
>>
>> Is your cell phone also a better deal after you cancelled your cell phone
>> service?

No answer, Lloyd?

> Which isn't a valid comparison since the iPad doesn't need a data plan
> to be perfectly functional and useful.

Explain why the Galaxy Tab does.

Then tell how to video chat or get GPS directions on an iPad without data 
service.

Prediction:  Lloyd will make a run for it.

LOLLERCOASTER 

On Jan 21, 10:55=A0am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> =A0"Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone.=
...
> > -Galaxy-Tab>
>
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. =A0 =A02 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they a=
ll
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan f=
or
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money=
 by
> > turning the plan off! =A0 LOLLERCOASTER
>
> Reading lessons later...
>
> You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. =A0Of course, you can go with the
> cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> of us don't agree. =A0Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> cell data plan at all.
>
> So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. =A0So
> $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per month.
>
> Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
>
> --
> Lloyd

I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I can cancel
my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=3D$20.79 per month.

"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
news:lloydparsons-56C8D0.11565721012011@port80.individual.net...
> In article <ihch50$1vg$1@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
>> news:lloydparsons-2DB4B1.09551621012011@port80.individual.net...
>> > In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Sams
>> >> ung
>> >> -Galaxy-Tab>
>> >>
>> >> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>> >>
>> >> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>> >>
>> >> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they 
>> >> all
>> >> socks?),
>> >> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan 
>> >> for
>> >> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save 
>> >> money
>> >> by
>> >> turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER
>> >
>> > Reading lessons later...
>>
>> Lloyd is giving lessons in how to read like an idiot later.
>>
>> > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
>> > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years.  Of course, you can go with the
>> > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>>
>> That's a 5 GB data plan.
>>
> Yep, and required if you take all the hardware rebates.  Or didn't you
> read that part?

You can get a great deal on the hardware you need to do your video chatting 
if you sign up with a service that lets you video chat.

No luck jump starting your brain?  Putting that defrillabator to your 
temples didn't work?   LOLLERCOASTER

>> > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
>> > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>>
>> Sort of like giving the price of a cell phone with no carrier charges.
>>
> Which is a bogus way to compare.

No it's not.   You need to avoid it though, in a vain attempt to save face.

>> > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but 
>> > many
>> > of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
>> > cell data plan at all.
>>
>> How about I feel that getting the data plan I want anyway also lets me 
>> save
>> a big buck on a really nice tablet computer?
>>
> So you want to have a $40/month for 2 year data plan?  Fine, go buy one
> then.

Alan Baker says lots of people paying for something makes it good, and lots 
of people subscribe to that data plan.

>> > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.  So
>> > $600/24=$25/month
>>
>> You forgot to give the price of your cell phone over the next two years
>> without any cell phone service.
>>
> OK, I'll add in the price for my cell phone useage for 2 years
> @$15/month.  Or I could just use Skype for nada or nearly so.

Post a link to that $15 a month phone service.

>> > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
>>
>> So for $14.59 more a month, one can spend two years video chatting on a
>> Galaxy Tab, playing Flash videos and games, making camcorder videos, 
>> using
>> GPS, and a host of other things you can't do with an iPad even when it's
>> connected to a data service.
>>
> I guess if that is what floats your boat.  I find none of those things
> to be compelling, or even very interesting.

Good thing Apple is around to let you know what you want.

LOLLERCOASTER

>> > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
>> > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>> >
>> > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
>>
>> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> -- 
> Lloyd

Galaxy Tab is $449 from Verizon, without a data plan.

LOLLERCOASTER 

On Jan 21, 7:55=A0am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:
> "Dave Fritzinger" <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a84fd80a-6b60-44db-9609-988bd9d8daa6@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 5:37 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> wrote:
>
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone.=
...>
>
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they a=
ll
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan f=
or
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money=
 by
> > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> DF: Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, we
> *can* turn our data plan off.
>
> Having trouble reading , Dave? =A0 =A0I noted that in my post.
>
> DF: I have had my iPad for about 7 months
> now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
> $25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.
>
> Is your cell phone also a better deal after you cancelled your cell phone
> service?

That is what is called a non-sequitur. I don't need the data service
when I'm not traveling, since I have a wifi network at home, which is
where I generally use my iPad. When I travel (a couple times a year),
I can get the data plan. With a cell phone, the service is always
needed, as the phone is useless without it. Do you understand that?

I didn't think you would...
>
> LOLLERCOASTER
As I have said before, your comebacks are not nearly as insightful or
funny as you mistakenly believe.

"Jerry" <ifreeley@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 10:55 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...
> > -Galaxy-Tab>
>
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they 
> > all
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan 
> > for
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money 
> > by
> > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> Reading lessons later...
>
> You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> cell data plan at all.
>
> So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. So
> $600/24=$25/month
>
> Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
>
> Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
>
> --
> Lloyd

Jerry: I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I can cancel
my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=$20.79 per month.

But does it video chat better than an iPad?

LOL 

"Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:b0cb36d0-07d1-4c8b-a817-899b94fec92f@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 7:55 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:
> "Dave Fritzinger" <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a84fd80a-6b60-44db-9609-988bd9d8daa6@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 5:37 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> wrote:
>
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...>
>
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they 
> > all
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan 
> > for
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money 
> > by
> > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> DF: Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, we
> *can* turn our data plan off.
>
> Having trouble reading , Dave? I noted that in my post.
>
> DF: I have had my iPad for about 7 months
> now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
> $25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.
>
> Is your cell phone also a better deal after you cancelled your cell phone
> service?

DF: That is what is called a non-sequitur.

Only by stupid people.

DF: I don't need the data service
when I'm not traveling, since I have a wifi network at home, which is
where I generally use my iPad.

You generally use a portable media player while you're home?

LOLLERCOASTER

DF: When I travel (a couple times a year),
I can get the data plan. With a cell phone, the service is always
needed, as the phone is useless without it.

The phone can still take pictures and play games even without a carrier. 
In short, a cell phone with no carrier still does more than an iPad does! 
LOL

DF: Do you understand that?

That's too retarded to be understandable.

DF: I didn't think you would...

I'm not willing to shoot out half my brains so I will understand either.

> LOLLERCOASTER

DF: As I have said before, your comebacks are not nearly as insightful or
funny as you mistakenly believe.

LOLLERCOASTER

Dance, rummy, dance. 

In article <lloydparsons-2DB4B1.09551621012011@port80.individual.net>,
 Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
>  "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> 
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsu
> > ng
> > -Galaxy-Tab>
> > 
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> > 
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> > 
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all 
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for 
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by 
> > turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER
> 
> Reading lessons later...
> 
> You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a 
> dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years.  Of course, you can go with the 
> cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> 
> But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2 
> years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> 
> I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many 
> of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any 
> cell data plan at all.
> 
> So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.  So 
> $600/24=$25/month
> 
> Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> 
> Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because 
> of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
> 
> So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.

Not to mention that apps.
-- 
Mike

On Jan 21, 9:39=A0am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:
> "Dave Fritzinger" <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b0cb36d0-07d1-4c8b-a817-899b94fec92f@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 7:55 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Dave Fritzinger" <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:a84fd80a-6b60-44db-9609-988bd9d8daa6@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com..=
..
> > On Jan 21, 5:37 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> > wrote:
>
> > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phon=
e...>
>
> > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they
> > > all
> > > socks?),
> > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan
> > > for
> > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save mon=
ey
> > > by
> > > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> > DF: Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, w=
e
> > *can* turn our data plan off.
>
> > Having trouble reading , Dave? I noted that in my post.
>
> > DF: I have had my iPad for about 7 months
> > now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
> > $25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.
>
> > Is your cell phone also a better deal after you cancelled your cell pho=
ne
> > service?
>
> DF: That is what is called a non-sequitur.
>
> Only by stupid people.
You're stupid, and apparently you don't call it one, so you are wrong
again.
>
> DF: I don't need the data service
> when I'm not traveling, since I have a wifi network at home, which is
> where I generally use my iPad.
>
> You generally use a portable media player while you're home?

Yeah. Let's me sit on my couch and surf the web, do light email, etc.,
all without having to turn on my iMac.
>
> LOLLERCOASTER

You obviously don't understand, so our only defense is laughing.
>
> DF: When I travel (a couple times a year),
> I can get the data plan. With a cell phone, the service is always
> needed, as the phone is useless without it.
>
> The phone can still take pictures and play games even without a carrier.
> In short, a cell phone with no carrier still does more than an iPad does!
> LOL

Huh? My cell phone is a Minolta Krazr, which doesn't play games (as
far as I know), and which I use only as a phone. My iPad does play
games (so you are lying in what you said above), and I am able to do
all that I want it to when connected to my home WiFi network.
>
> DF: Do you understand that?
>
> That's too retarded to be understandable.

IOW, you are too stupid to understand.

>
> DF: I didn't think you would...
>
> I'm not willing to shoot out half my brains so I will understand either.

Of course, that would only be possible if you had a brain in the first
place. Based on the evidence of your posts, that seems highly
unlikely.
>
> > LOLLERCOASTER

Laughing at your stupidity again. At least you have company in that.
>
> DF: As I have said before, your comebacks are not nearly as insightful or
> funny as you mistakenly believe.
>
> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> Dance, rummy, dance.

Why do you tell yourself to dance?

In article <ihckjc$aol$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
> news:lloydparsons-56C8D0.11565721012011@port80.individual.net...
> > In article <ihch50$1vg$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> >> news:lloydparsons-2DB4B1.09551621012011@port80.individual.net...
> >> > In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
> >> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=S
> >> >> ams
> >> >> ung
> >> >> -Galaxy-Tab>
> >> >>
> >> >> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> >> >>
> >> >> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they 
> >> >> all
> >> >> socks?),
> >> >> the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan 
> >> >> for
> >> >> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save 
> >> >> money
> >> >> by
> >> >> turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER
> >> >
> >> > Reading lessons later...
> >>
> >> Lloyd is giving lessons in how to read like an idiot later.
> >>
> >> > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> >> > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years.  Of course, you can go with the
> >> > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >>
> >> That's a 5 GB data plan.
> >>
> > Yep, and required if you take all the hardware rebates.  Or didn't you
> > read that part?
> 
> You can get a great deal on the hardware you need to do your video chatting 
> if you sign up with a service that lets you video chat.
>
Video chatting?  What are you 12?
 
> No luck jump starting your brain?  Putting that defrillabator to your 
> temples didn't work?   LOLLERCOASTER
>
I use it on a different part when the GF is around.  She likes the 
shocking sensation...  :)
 
> >> > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> >> > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >>
> >> Sort of like giving the price of a cell phone with no carrier charges.
> >>
> > Which is a bogus way to compare.
> 
> No it's not.   You need to avoid it though, in a vain attempt to save face.
> 
> >> > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but 
> >> > many
> >> > of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> >> > cell data plan at all.
> >>
> >> How about I feel that getting the data plan I want anyway also lets me 
> >> save
> >> a big buck on a really nice tablet computer?
> >>
> > So you want to have a $40/month for 2 year data plan?  Fine, go buy one
> > then.
> 
> Alan Baker says lots of people paying for something makes it good, and lots 
> of people subscribe to that data plan.
>
OK, post a link showing how many.
 
> >> > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.  So
> >> > $600/24=$25/month
> >>
> >> You forgot to give the price of your cell phone over the next two years
> >> without any cell phone service.
> >>
> > OK, I'll add in the price for my cell phone useage for 2 years
> > @$15/month.  Or I could just use Skype for nada or nearly so.
> 
> Post a link to that $15 a month phone service.

Sure, no problem.

http://net10.com

> 
> >> > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> >>
> >> So for $14.59 more a month, one can spend two years video chatting on a
> >> Galaxy Tab, playing Flash videos and games, making camcorder videos, 
> >> using
> >> GPS, and a host of other things you can't do with an iPad even when it's
> >> connected to a data service.
> >>
> > I guess if that is what floats your boat.  I find none of those things
> > to be compelling, or even very interesting.
> 
> Good thing Apple is around to let you know what you want.
>
Apple didn't let me know, I figured it out before the iPad came out.
> 
> >> > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> >> > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
> >> >
> >> > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
> >>
> >> LOLLERCOASTER
> >
> > -- 
> > Lloyd
> 
> Galaxy Tab is $449 from Verizon, without a data plan.
> 
> LOLLERCOASTER 

That's a good deal.  You should buy it and quit trying to push something 
you don't have.

-- 
Lloyd

In article 
<42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
 Jerry <ifreeley@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 10:55�am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> > �"Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...
> > > -Galaxy-Tab>
> >
> > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. � �2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> >
> > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> >
> > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all
> > > socks?),
> > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for
> > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by
> > > turning the plan off! � LOLLERCOASTER
> >
> > Reading lessons later...
> >
> > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. �Of course, you can go with the
> > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >
> > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >
> > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> > of us don't agree. �Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > cell data plan at all.
> >
> > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. �So
> > $600/24=$25/month
> >
> > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> >
> > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
> >
> > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
> >
> > --
> > Lloyd
> 
> I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I can cancel
> my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=$20.79 per month.

Hmm...  You've been pretty straight in your other postings, so I figure 
you will point me to where it says you can do that.  I wasn't aware of 
any data service that could be turned on/off at will from Verizon.

-- 
Lloyd

In article <ihcjcq$8ra$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message 
> news:lloydparsons-7C81B2.11593021012011@port80.individual.net...
> > In article <ihch9v$27t$1@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "Dave Fritzinger" <dfritzin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:a84fd80a-6b60-44db-9609-988bd9d8daa6@r40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jan 21, 5:37 am, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone...
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> >> >
> >> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> >> >
> >> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they 
> >> > all
> >> > socks?),
> >> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan 
> >> > for
> >> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money 
> >> > by
> >> > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
> >>
> >> DF: Getting a wee bit desperate, aren't we, oh vile one? The fact is, we
> >> *can* turn our data plan off.
> >>
> >> Having trouble reading , Dave?    I noted that in my post.
> >>
> >> DF: I have had my iPad for about 7 months
> >> now, and I have only used the data plan for one month (2 GB for
> >> $25.00). So, yes, the iPad is a better deal.
> >>
> >> Is your cell phone also a better deal after you cancelled your cell phone
> >> service?
> 
> No answer, Lloyd?
>
Wasn't worth answering...

But to satisfy your curiousity.  The cell phone and iPad are two 
entirely different things.  With the cell phone the value is only if you 
have a service.

With the iPad that isn't so.  I could have a service if I needed it, but 
since I didn't and still don't, I have the non-3G iPad.  I get a connect 
to the internet every time I want it.
 
> > Which isn't a valid comparison since the iPad doesn't need a data plan
> > to be perfectly functional and useful.
> 
> Explain why the Galaxy Tab does.
>
I dunno.  I really don't care what the Tab can or cannot do as it 
doesn't meet my needs.  Screen is too small and it doesn't work with iOS.
 
> Then tell how to video chat or get GPS directions on an iPad without data 
> service.
>
Well video chat would be fine I guess, if I was 12.  But that is a lot 
of years ago.  Hence, no value to me at all.

As to GPS.  Well I have one in the car and one I use on the golf course.  
What the hell would I want or need another for?
 
> Prediction:  Lloyd will make a run for it.
> 
Prediction=fail yet again

-- 
Lloyd

In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsung
> -Galaxy-Tab>
> 
> $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> 
> That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.

Ok, not too much bandwidth, but I suppose it could work..

> According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all 
> socks?), the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for 
> 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB

Eh, wait... So they get *ten times* more data with the iPad for the 
same price as the galaxy tab? That is indeed a neat deal. Or wait, 
they can pay $10/month LESS and still get 25% *more* data/month with 
the iPad.

Just some math:

iPad:       $629 + ($15 * 24) = $989
Galaxy Tab: $350 + ($25 * 24) = $950

And that gets you 50MB more per month for the iPad, plus the ability 
to actually cancel the data plan if you like (why, I have no idea).

Oops, wait a minute! Please read the fine print:

    "To qualify for the instant discount, you must activate a new line 
     of service with an Even More� webConnectData plan of $39.99 or 
     higher rate plan on a two-year service agreement. Even More� 
     Family Plans may qualify for up to five instant discounts."

I'm not sure where you got that $25/month from, but in order to get 
that discount, you have to get a $40/month subscription:

Galaxy Tab: $350 + ($40 * 24) = $1,310

Or it's:

Galaxy Tab: $600 + ($25 * 24) = $1,200

Assuming that there actually is a $25/month data plan for it. Couldn't 
see it on the page you linked to. 

Either way, that iPad deal is pretty sweet. 






-- 
Sandman[.net]

In article <ihckjc$aol$1@news.albasani.net>,
 "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:

> >> > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but 
> >> > many
> >> > of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> >> > cell data plan at all.
> >>
> >> How about I feel that getting the data plan I want anyway also lets me 
> >> save
> >> a big buck on a really nice tablet computer?
> >>
> > So you want to have a $40/month for 2 year data plan?  Fine, go buy one
> > then.
> 
> Alan Baker says lots of people paying for something makes it good, and lots 
> of people subscribe to that data plan.

Do they? Prove it.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

On Jan 21, 2:32=A0pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:
> "Jerry" <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 21, 10:55 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phon=
e...
> > > -Galaxy-Tab>
>
> > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they
> > > all
> > > socks?),
> > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan
> > > for
> > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save mon=
ey
> > > by
> > > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> > Reading lessons later...
>
> > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but man=
y
> > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > cell data plan at all.
>
> > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. So
> > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per month.
>
> > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
>
> > --
> > Lloyd
>
> Jerry: I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I can can=
cel
> my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=3D$20.79 per month.
>
> But does it video chat better than an iPad?
>
> LOL

Thanks, I like to debate... don't really see a reason to lie about
anything.
I don't know if it is on their web page anywhere, I have a corporate
sales rep. But a quick google search will turn up many articles about
Verizon and Best Buy selling them without contracts. Now... for all I
know, I could cancel (I won't, I need 3g coverage) and then have to
require to pay something to re-establish service, such as some sort of
activation fee or whatever.

In article <lloydparsons-2DB4B1.09551621012011@port80.individual.net>,
 Lloyd Parsons <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <ihc98k$kj1$1@news.albasani.net>,
>  "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.vile@oblivion.org> wrote:
> 
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Samsu
> > ng
> > -Galaxy-Tab>
> > 
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab.    2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> > 
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> > 
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they all 
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan for 
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money by 
> > turning the plan off!   LOLLERCOASTER
> 
> Reading lessons later...
> 
> You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a 
> dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years.  Of course, you can go with the 
> cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> 
> But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2 
> years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> 
> I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many 
> of us don't agree.  Some of us, including me, don't think I need any 
> cell data plan at all.

I have used the data plan for 3 months - all months when I was traveling and 
wanted to be able to have access while on the road. It was nice to be able to 
reserve a room 50 miles down the road an hour before I arrived when I finally 
knew where I would be at the end of the day, rather then making it a long time 
in advance so I needed to get somewhere no matter how tired I might be OR how 
late I might be running.
I didn't want/need to rely on wifi and could do it while on the road without 
stopping to find a free hot spot.


> 
> So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.  So 
> $600/24=$25/month
> 
> Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> 
> Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because 
> of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
> 
> So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.

-- 
regarding Snit  "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, 
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting 
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm

Tim Adams stated in post
teadams$2$0$0$3-12A6DD.21111121012011@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
1/21/11 7:11 PM:

> -- 
> regarding Snit  "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
> you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
> the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm


-- 
"A non-powered hub that will only  support non-powered devices. IOW,
basically useless." -- Tim Adams

On Jan 21, 7:55=A0am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> =A0"Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone.=
...
> > -Galaxy-Tab>
>
> > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. =A0 =A02 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they a=
ll
> > socks?),
> > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan f=
or
> > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money=
 by
> > turning the plan off! =A0 LOLLERCOASTER
>
> Reading lessons later...
>
> You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. =A0Of course, you can go with the
> cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> of us don't agree. =A0Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> cell data plan at all.
>
> So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. =A0So
> $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per month.

you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best buy),
with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that you
need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.

> Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.

In article 
<80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac284@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
 ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> > Reading lessons later...
> >
> > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. �Of course, you can go with the
> > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >
> > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >
> > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> > of us don't agree. �Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > cell data plan at all.
> >
> > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. �So
> > $600/24=$25/month
> >
> > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> 
> you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best buy),
> with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that you
> need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.

Just like an iPad, then. :-)

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

On Jan 21, 8:54=A0pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> =A0ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take=
 a
> > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for=
 2
> > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but m=
any
> > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. S=
o
> > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per month.
>
> > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best buy),
> > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that you
> > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
>
> Just like an iPad, then. :-)

no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.

In article 
<fbc35ce0-92c6-434f-80fe-65ed77a32f86@f21g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
 ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 8:54�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > �ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > Reading lessons later...
> >
> > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >
> > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >
> > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > > > cell data plan at all.
> >
> > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. So
> > > > $600/24=$25/month
> >
> > > > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> >
> > > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best buy),
> > > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that you
> > > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
> >
> > Just like an iPad, then. :-)
> 
> no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.

LOL

Yes, ed... ...very good.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

On Jan 21, 9:19=A0pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> =A0ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 8:54 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to =
take a
> > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with th=
e
> > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans=
 for 2
> > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, b=
ut many
> > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need a=
ny
> > > > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 year=
s. So
> > > > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per month.
>
> > > > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best buy),
> > > > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that you
> > > > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
>
> > > Just like an iPad, then. :-)
>
> > no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.
>
> LOL
>
> Yes, ed... ...very good.

?  so how's it just like an ipad?

In article 
<04598017-0b90-4a97-9ac6-0008ef27622e@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
 ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 9:19�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > �ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 21, 8:54 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Reading lessons later...
> >
> > > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to 
> > > > > > take a
> > > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> > > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >
> > > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans 
> > > > > > for 2
> > > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >
> > > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but 
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > > > > > cell data plan at all.
> >
> > > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. 
> > > > > > So
> > > > > > $600/24=$25/month
> >
> > > > > > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> >
> > > > > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best buy),
> > > > > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that you
> > > > > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
> >
> > > > Just like an iPad, then. :-)
> >
> > > no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Yes, ed... ...very good.
> 
> ?  so how's it just like an ipad?

In that it you get GPS even without a 3G data plan.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

On Jan 21, 9:23=A0pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <04598017-0b90-4a97-9ac6-0008ef276...@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> =A0ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 9:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 21, 8:54 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com=
>,
>
> > > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have=
 to
> > > > > > > take a
> > > > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go wit=
h the
> > > > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data p=
lans
> > > > > > > for 2
> > > > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data pla=
n, but
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I ne=
ed any
> > > > > > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 =
years.
> > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > > > > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per mo=
nth.
>
> > > > > > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best b=
uy),
> > > > > > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that=
 you
> > > > > > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
>
> > > > > Just like an iPad, then. :-)
>
> > > > no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.
>
> > > LOL
>
> > > Yes, ed... ...very good.
>
> > ? =A0so how's it just like an ipad?
>
> In that it you get GPS even without a 3G data plan.

oh, yeah, ok.  context of the discussion was pricing though, eh?

In article 
<a99d4c83-fff6-471c-b458-1f94c250579c@z17g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
 ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 9:23�pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <04598017-0b90-4a97-9ac6-0008ef276...@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > �ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 21, 9:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 21, 8:54 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Reading lessons later...
> >
> > > > > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have 
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > take a
> > > > > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >
> > > > > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data 
> > > > > > > > plans
> > > > > > > > for 2
> > > > > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >
> > > > > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, 
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need 
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > cell data plan at all.
> >
> > > > > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 
> > > > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > > $600/24=$25/month
> >
> > > > > > > > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> >
> > > > > > > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from best 
> > > > > > > buy),
> > > > > > > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide that 
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
> >
> > > > > > Just like an iPad, then. :-)
> >
> > > > > no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.
> >
> > > > LOL
> >
> > > > Yes, ed... ...very good.
> >
> > > ? �so how's it just like an ipad?
> >
> > In that it you get GPS even without a 3G data plan.
> 
> oh, yeah, ok.  context of the discussion was pricing though, eh?

Funny, then, that you brought up GPS....


I'm done with you, ed.

-- 
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" -- 
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone 
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X) 
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' -- 
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the 
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM) 
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included 
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun) 

On Jan 22, 2:19=A0am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <a99d4c83-fff6-471c-b458-1f94c2505...@z17g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> =A0ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 9:23 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <04598017-0b90-4a97-9ac6-0008ef276...@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 21, 9:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 21, 8:54 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegroups=
..com>,
>
> > > > > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > > > > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you =
have
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > take a
> > > > > > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go=
 with
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > > > > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the da=
ta
> > > > > > > > > plans
> > > > > > > > > for 2
> > > > > > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > > > > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data=
 plan,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think =
I need
> > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > > > > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the nex=
t 2
> > > > > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > > > > > > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 pe=
r month.
>
> > > > > > > > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from be=
st
> > > > > > > > buy),
> > > > > > > > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decide =
that
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
>
> > > > > > > Just like an iPad, then. :-)
>
> > > > > > no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.
>
> > > > > LOL
>
> > > > > Yes, ed... ...very good.
>
> > > > ? so how's it just like an ipad?
>
> > > In that it you get GPS even without a 3G data plan.
>
> > oh, yeah, ok. =A0context of the discussion was pricing though, eh?
>
> Funny, then, that you brought up GPS....

yeah, in the context of getting extra, for less price.

> I'm done with you, ed.

good- i look forward to not seeing your replies.  :D

In article 
<9e9ffb9b-84e0-4f79-a133-1a4a1d37dac7@1g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
 Jerry <ifreeley@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 2:32�pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> wrote:
> > "Jerry" <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 21, 10:55 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> > > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone..
> > > > .
> > > > -Galaxy-Tab>
> >
> > > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> >
> > > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> >
> > > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are they
> > > > all
> > > > socks?),
> > > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data plan
> > > > for
> > > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save money
> > > > by
> > > > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
> >
> > > Reading lessons later...
> >
> > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take a
> > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >
> > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 2
> > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >
> > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but many
> > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > > cell data plan at all.
> >
> > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. So
> > > $600/24=$25/month
> >
> > > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> >
> > > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that because
> > > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
> >
> > > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
> >
> > > --
> > > Lloyd
> >
> > Jerry: I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I can 
> > cancel
> > my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=$20.79 per month.
> >
> > But does it video chat better than an iPad?
> >
> > LOL
> 
> Thanks, I like to debate... don't really see a reason to lie about
> anything.
> I don't know if it is on their web page anywhere, I have a corporate
> sales rep. But a quick google search will turn up many articles about
> Verizon and Best Buy selling them without contracts. Now... for all I
> know, I could cancel (I won't, I need 3g coverage) and then have to
> require to pay something to re-establish service, such as some sort of
> activation fee or whatever.

OK, fair answer. What I like about AT&T's plan with the iPad is that you 
don't have to pay any sort of activation fee to turn off or turn on your 
3G service. I only hope that remains when Verizon starts selling the 
iPhone4 in a couple weeks.

Good luck with your Galaxy Tab.

Tim Adams wrote:

> regarding Snit  "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, 
> you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting 
> the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm

C'mon, Snit said he'd knock it off if you would.

Clavicus Vile wrote:
> The phone can still take pictures and play games even without a carrier. 
> In short, a cell phone with no carrier still does more than an iPad does! 
> LOL

You love a good beating, don't you?  A phone without a camera or carrier is 
a paperweight. An iPad can play games and all sort of apps without being 
connected to a damned thing. 

Sandman wrote:
> I'm not sure where you got that $25/month from, 

It came from the same location where his head is stuffed most of the day.

In article <8aQ_o.1994$T87.230@newsfe01.iad>, Tim Murray <no-spam@thankyou.com> 
wrote:

> Tim Adams wrote:
> 
> > regarding Snit  "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, 
> > you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting 
> > the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
> 
> C'mon, Snit said he'd knock it off if you would.

I gave him that option 5 (or more) years ago and he decided he would rather have 
me continue with the sig file and so I do.

-- 
regarding Snit  "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, 
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting 
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm

On Jan 22, 11:47=A0pm, Tim Murray <no-s...@thankyou.com> wrote:
> Tim Adams wrote:
> > regarding Snit =A0"You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
> > you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
> > the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
>
> C'mon, Snit said he'd knock it off if you would.

LOL! That;s a joke, right?

Snit has said a *lot* of things that were BS... a WHOLE lot of 'em.

On Jan 22, 7:07=A0am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2:19=A0am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <a99d4c83-fff6-471c-b458-1f94c2505...@z17g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > =A0ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 21, 9:23 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <04598017-0b90-4a97-9ac6-0008ef276...@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com>=
,
>
> > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 21, 9:19 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jan 21, 8:54 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <80975a87-7a0c-46e7-a534-05f1c91ac...@p7g2000prb.googlegrou=
ps.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > > > > > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, yo=
u have
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > take a
> > > > > > > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can =
go with
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > > > > > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the =
data
> > > > > > > > > > plans
> > > > > > > > > > for 2
> > > > > > > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell da=
ta plan,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't thin=
k I need
> > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > > > > > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the n=
ext 2
> > > > > > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > > > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > > > > > > > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 =
per month.
>
> > > > > > > > > you can buy a galaxy tab without contract ($500 now from =
best
> > > > > > > > > buy),
> > > > > > > > > with the benefit that it has 3g capabilities if you decid=
e that
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > need it- and even if you never do, it adds gps.
>
> > > > > > > > Just like an iPad, then. :-)
>
> > > > > > > no, a 3g ipad w/ gps is $629.
>
> > > > > > LOL
>
> > > > > > Yes, ed... ...very good.
>
> > > > > ? so how's it just like an ipad?
>
> > > > In that it you get GPS even without a 3G data plan.
>
> > > oh, yeah, ok. =A0context of the discussion was pricing though, eh?
>
> > Funny, then, that you brought up GPS....
>
> yeah, in the context of getting extra, for less price.
>
> > I'm done with you, ed.
>
> good- i look forward to not seeing your replies. =A0:D

You've turned into a pretty good troll;)

On Jan 22, 2:27=A0pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <9e9ffb9b-84e0-4f79-a133-1a4a1d37d...@1g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> =A0Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 2:32 pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> > wrote:
> > > "Jerry" <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com=
....
> > > On Jan 21, 10:55 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> > > > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-=
phone..
> > > > > .
> > > > > -Galaxy-Tab>
>
> > > > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > > > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > > > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are =
they
> > > > > all
> > > > > socks?),
> > > > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data =
plan
> > > > > for
> > > > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save=
 money
> > > > > by
> > > > > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> > > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to ta=
ke a
> > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans f=
or 2
> > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but=
 many
> > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years.=
 So
> > > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per month.
>
> > > > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that beca=
use
> > > > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> > > > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Lloyd
>
> > > Jerry: I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I can
> > > cancel
> > > my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=3D$20.79 per month.
>
> > > But does it video chat better than an iPad?
>
> > > LOL
>
> > Thanks, I like to debate... don't really see a reason to lie about
> > anything.
> > I don't know if it is on their web page anywhere, I have a corporate
> > sales rep. But a quick google search will turn up many articles about
> > Verizon and Best Buy selling them without contracts. Now... for all I
> > know, I could cancel (I won't, I need 3g coverage) and then have to
> > require to pay something to re-establish service, such as some sort of
> > activation fee or whatever.
>
> OK, fair answer. What I like about AT&T's plan with the iPad is that you
> don't have to pay any sort of activation fee to turn off or turn on your
> 3G service. I only hope that remains when Verizon starts selling the
> iPhone4 in a couple weeks.
>
> Good luck with your Galaxy Tab.

Ha, thanks! I am not really so sure how great it is.. I mean it works
perfect, the size seems good, but I am finding it a tad bit useless if
you know what I mean. I did find a couple games called angry birds and
pocket legends, they were entertaining me through a family event last
night, I guess it is good for that.
And, in all honesty, this thing is rock solid, whereas my Verizon
Samsung galaxy S (Fascinate?) is an complete train wreck. I had a
Droid X which was a fantastic phone, sold it and got the Galaxy when
it came it, it is still just on 2.1 with no sign of an update from
Samsung, and some days I have to reboot up to 4 times, I think I might
have to take it back and make them replace it, I have just been
reluctant since I know they will re-flash it first, erasing everything
before they agree to replace it.
I used to have an iPhone on ATT, a 3G 8Gig, and that too was a great
phone, I just have some issues with the way Apple is conducting their
business these days so I have to refrain from giving them my money.

I am VERY liberal, and used to be a big Apple fan, going all the way
back. I used to own an Apple ][ and a C64, and ran a couple of BBS's
out of my house on them, I really bought into the "Fight the
Establishment" thing they had going on back then. Now, I feel like
they ARE the establishment... although I don't think Google is any
better. I take a little comfort in the Gates Foundation, but not a lot.

On Jan 21, 1:30=A0pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
wrote:

>
> Then tell how to video chat or get GPS directions on an iPad without data
> service.

I'll let you figure out the idiocy of thinking that you need a *data
plan* for *GPS Navigation".......

In article 
<7e3cb499-7dfa-4af1-a570-59d7ef17d5f2@l19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
 Jerry <ifreeley@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 22, 2:27�pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <9e9ffb9b-84e0-4f79-a133-1a4a1d37d...@1g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> > �Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 21, 2:32 pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "Jerry" <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Jan 21, 10:55 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> > > > > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-pho
> > > > > > ne..
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > -Galaxy-Tab>
> >
> > > > > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
> >
> > > > > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
> >
> > > > > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (are 
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > socks?),
> > > > > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month data 
> > > > > > plan
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can save 
> > > > > > money
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
> >
> > > > > Reading lessons later...
> >
> > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have to take 
> > > > > a
> > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with the
> > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
> >
> > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data plans for 
> > > > > 2
> > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
> >
> > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan, but 
> > > > > many
> > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need any
> > > > > cell data plan at all.
> >
> > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 years. 
> > > > > So
> > > > > $600/24=$25/month
> >
> > > > > Cheapest way on Tab = $350+($25*24)=$950 or $39.59 per month.
> >
> > > > > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that 
> > > > > because
> > > > > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
> >
> > > > > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
> >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Lloyd
> >
> > > > Jerry: I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I can
> > > > cancel
> > > > my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=$20.79 per month.
> >
> > > > But does it video chat better than an iPad?
> >
> > > > LOL
> >
> > > Thanks, I like to debate... don't really see a reason to lie about
> > > anything.
> > > I don't know if it is on their web page anywhere, I have a corporate
> > > sales rep. But a quick google search will turn up many articles about
> > > Verizon and Best Buy selling them without contracts. Now... for all I
> > > know, I could cancel (I won't, I need 3g coverage) and then have to
> > > require to pay something to re-establish service, such as some sort of
> > > activation fee or whatever.
> >
> > OK, fair answer. What I like about AT&T's plan with the iPad is that you
> > don't have to pay any sort of activation fee to turn off or turn on your
> > 3G service. I only hope that remains when Verizon starts selling the
> > iPhone4 in a couple weeks.
> >
> > Good luck with your Galaxy Tab.
> 
> Ha, thanks! I am not really so sure how great it is.. I mean it works
> perfect, the size seems good, but I am finding it a tad bit useless if
> you know what I mean. I did find a couple games called angry birds and
> pocket legends, they were entertaining me through a family event last
> night, I guess it is good for that.
> And, in all honesty, this thing is rock solid, whereas my Verizon
> Samsung galaxy S (Fascinate?) is an complete train wreck. I had a
> Droid X which was a fantastic phone, sold it and got the Galaxy when
> it came it, it is still just on 2.1 with no sign of an update from
> Samsung, and some days I have to reboot up to 4 times, I think I might
> have to take it back and make them replace it, I have just been
> reluctant since I know they will re-flash it first, erasing everything
> before they agree to replace it.
> I used to have an iPhone on ATT, a 3G 8Gig, and that too was a great
> phone, I just have some issues with the way Apple is conducting their
> business these days so I have to refrain from giving them my money.
> 
> I am VERY liberal, and used to be a big Apple fan, going all the way
> back. I used to own an Apple ][ and a C64, and ran a couple of BBS's
> out of my house on them, I really bought into the "Fight the
> Establishment" thing they had going on back then. Now, I feel like
> they ARE the establishment... although I don't think Google is any
> better. I take a little comfort in the Gates Foundation, but not a lot.

I''m sorry the Tab isn't working out so well for you. I find that I am 
really quite happy with my iPad. It is great for reading books and web 
surfing, as well as light email work. I can type reasonably well on the 
virtual keyboard, but I prefer my iMac for any sort of content creation. 
It did save my (and a co-worker's) butt while I was in NYC last summer. 
The hotel we were staying at for a conference, the Grand Hyatt of all 
places, had no wifi, if you can believe it. Fortunately, I had my iPad, 
and I had paid for a month of 3G service, so I was able to keep working 
on the iPad.

On Jan 24, 10:53=A0pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <7e3cb499-7dfa-4af1-a570-59d7ef17d...@l19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> =A0Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 22, 2:27 pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <9e9ffb9b-84e0-4f79-a133-1a4a1d37d...@1g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 21, 2:32 pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Jerry" <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegroups=
..com...
> > > > > On Jan 21, 10:55 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> > > > > > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?c=
ell-pho
> > > > > > > ne..
> > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > -Galaxy-Tab>
>
> > > > > > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > > > > > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > > > > > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger (=
are
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > socks?),
> > > > > > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month d=
ata
> > > > > > > plan
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you can =
save
> > > > > > > money
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> > > > > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have t=
o take
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go with =
the
> > > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data pla=
ns for
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data plan,=
 but
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I need=
 any
> > > > > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 ye=
ars.
> > > > > > So
> > > > > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > > > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per mont=
h.
>
> > > > > > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than that
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> > > > > > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Lloyd
>
> > > > > Jerry: I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract, I=
 can
> > > > > cancel
> > > > > my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=3D$20.79 per month.
>
> > > > > But does it video chat better than an iPad?
>
> > > > > LOL
>
> > > > Thanks, I like to debate... don't really see a reason to lie about
> > > > anything.
> > > > I don't know if it is on their web page anywhere, I have a corporat=
e
> > > > sales rep. But a quick google search will turn up many articles abo=
ut
> > > > Verizon and Best Buy selling them without contracts. Now... for all=
 I
> > > > know, I could cancel (I won't, I need 3g coverage) and then have to
> > > > require to pay something to re-establish service, such as some sort=
 of
> > > > activation fee or whatever.
>
> > > OK, fair answer. What I like about AT&T's plan with the iPad is that =
you
> > > don't have to pay any sort of activation fee to turn off or turn on y=
our
> > > 3G service. I only hope that remains when Verizon starts selling the
> > > iPhone4 in a couple weeks.
>
> > > Good luck with your Galaxy Tab.
>
> > Ha, thanks! I am not really so sure how great it is.. I mean it works
> > perfect, the size seems good, but I am finding it a tad bit useless if
> > you know what I mean. I did find a couple games called angry birds and
> > pocket legends, they were entertaining me through a family event last
> > night, I guess it is good for that.
> > And, in all honesty, this thing is rock solid, whereas my Verizon
> > Samsung galaxy S (Fascinate?) is an complete train wreck. I had a
> > Droid X which was a fantastic phone, sold it and got the Galaxy when
> > it came it, it is still just on 2.1 with no sign of an update from
> > Samsung, and some days I have to reboot up to 4 times, I think I might
> > have to take it back and make them replace it, I have just been
> > reluctant since I know they will re-flash it first, erasing everything
> > before they agree to replace it.
> > I used to have an iPhone on ATT, a 3G 8Gig, and that too was a great
> > phone, I just have some issues with the way Apple is conducting their
> > business these days so I have to refrain from giving them my money.
>
> > I am VERY liberal, and used to be a big Apple fan, going all the way
> > back. I used to own an Apple ][ and a C64, and ran a couple of BBS's
> > out of my house on them, I really bought into the "Fight the
> > Establishment" thing they had going on back then. Now, I feel like
> > they ARE the establishment... although I don't think Google is any
> > better. I take a little comfort in the Gates Foundation, but not a lot.
>
> I''m sorry the Tab isn't working out so well for you. I find that I am
> really quite happy with my iPad. It is great for reading books and web
> surfing, as well as light email work. I can type reasonably well on the
> virtual keyboard, but I prefer my iMac for any sort of content creation.
> It did save my (and a co-worker's) butt while I was in NYC last summer.
> The hotel we were staying at for a conference, the Grand Hyatt of all
> places, had no wifi, if you can believe it. Fortunately, I had my iPad,
> and I had paid for a month of 3G service, so I was able to keep working
> on the iPad.

It isn't the Tab specifically. I am just not quite sure how a tablet
fits into my life. I am happy with it as a product, it seems very
solid and stable, and works brilliantly... I am just finding I have a
tool, with which there is no task to use it,

On Jan 25, 8:51=A0am, Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 10:53=A0pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <7e3cb499-7dfa-4af1-a570-59d7ef17d...@l19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > =A0Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 22, 2:27 pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <9e9ffb9b-84e0-4f79-a133-1a4a1d37d...@1g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > > Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 21, 2:32 pm, "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > "Jerry" <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:42ccb955-d0aa-4d68-9d90-c96dc50ae361@n32g2000pre.googlegrou=
ps.com...
> > > > > > On Jan 21, 10:55 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote=
:
>
> > > > > > > In article <ihc98k$kj...@news.albasani.net>,
> > > > > > > "Clavicus Vile" <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx=
?cell-pho
> > > > > > > > ne..
> > > > > > > > .
> > > > > > > > -Galaxy-Tab>
>
> > > > > > > > $350 for a Galaxy Tab. 2 year data plan for $25 a month.
>
> > > > > > > > That's a 200 MB plan on 3G with unlimited WiFi access.
>
> > > > > > > > According to Alan Baker, Lloyd Parsons, and Dave Fritzinger=
 (are
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > socks?),
> > > > > > > > the better deal is a $629 iPad from AT&T with a $15 a month=
 data
> > > > > > > > plan
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > 250 MB (LOL) or a $25 a month plan for 2 GB, because you ca=
n save
> > > > > > > > money
> > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > turning the plan off! LOLLERCOASTER
>
> > > > > > > Reading lessons later...
>
> > > > > > > You missed the part that if you take the $50 rebate, you have=
 to take
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > dataplan @$39.99/month for 2 years. Of course, you can go wit=
h the
> > > > > > > cheaper plan if you give up that $50.
>
> > > > > > > But regardless, you are required to pay for one of the data p=
lans for
> > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > years, which is not the case for the iPad plans.
>
> > > > > > > I know that you want to think you always need a cell data pla=
n, but
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > of us don't agree. Some of us, including me, don't think I ne=
ed any
> > > > > > > cell data plan at all.
>
> > > > > > > So my iPad was $600 total, and that is total over the next 2 =
years.
> > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > $600/24=3D$25/month
>
> > > > > > > Cheapest way on Tab =3D $350+($25*24)=3D$950 or $39.59 per mo=
nth.
>
> > > > > > > Of course, as usual, the Tab cost will be a bit more than tha=
t
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > of the many bogus taxes and shit they add to cell service.
>
> > > > > > > So yeah, the iPad IS a better deal.
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Lloyd
>
> > > > > > Jerry: I bought my Tab from Verizon for $499, with no contract,=
 I can
> > > > > > cancel
> > > > > > my data plan any time I like. so $499/24=3D$20.79 per month.
>
> > > > > > But does it video chat better than an iPad?
>
> > > > > > LOL
>
> > > > > Thanks, I like to debate... don't really see a reason to lie abou=
t
> > > > > anything.
> > > > > I don't know if it is on their web page anywhere, I have a corpor=
ate
> > > > > sales rep. But a quick google search will turn up many articles a=
bout
> > > > > Verizon and Best Buy selling them without contracts. Now... for a=
ll I
> > > > > know, I could cancel (I won't, I need 3g coverage) and then have =
to
> > > > > require to pay something to re-establish service, such as some so=
rt of
> > > > > activation fee or whatever.
>
> > > > OK, fair answer. What I like about AT&T's plan with the iPad is tha=
t you
> > > > don't have to pay any sort of activation fee to turn off or turn on=
 your
> > > > 3G service. I only hope that remains when Verizon starts selling th=
e
> > > > iPhone4 in a couple weeks.
>
> > > > Good luck with your Galaxy Tab.
>
> > > Ha, thanks! I am not really so sure how great it is.. I mean it works
> > > perfect, the size seems good, but I am finding it a tad bit useless i=
f
> > > you know what I mean. I did find a couple games called angry birds an=
d
> > > pocket legends, they were entertaining me through a family event last
> > > night, I guess it is good for that.
> > > And, in all honesty, this thing is rock solid, whereas my Verizon
> > > Samsung galaxy S (Fascinate?) is an complete train wreck. I had a
> > > Droid X which was a fantastic phone, sold it and got the Galaxy when
> > > it came it, it is still just on 2.1 with no sign of an update from
> > > Samsung, and some days I have to reboot up to 4 times, I think I migh=
t
> > > have to take it back and make them replace it, I have just been
> > > reluctant since I know they will re-flash it first, erasing everythin=
g
> > > before they agree to replace it.
> > > I used to have an iPhone on ATT, a 3G 8Gig, and that too was a great
> > > phone, I just have some issues with the way Apple is conducting their
> > > business these days so I have to refrain from giving them my money.
>
> > > I am VERY liberal, and used to be a big Apple fan, going all the way
> > > back. I used to own an Apple ][ and a C64, and ran a couple of BBS's
> > > out of my house on them, I really bought into the "Fight the
> > > Establishment" thing they had going on back then. Now, I feel like
> > > they ARE the establishment... although I don't think Google is any
> > > better. I take a little comfort in the Gates Foundation, but not a lo=
t.
>
> > I''m sorry the Tab isn't working out so well for you. I find that I am
> > really quite happy with my iPad. It is great for reading books and web
> > surfing, as well as light email work. I can type reasonably well on the
> > virtual keyboard, but I prefer my iMac for any sort of content creation=
..
> > It did save my (and a co-worker's) butt while I was in NYC last summer.
> > The hotel we were staying at for a conference, the Grand Hyatt of all
> > places, had no wifi, if you can believe it. Fortunately, I had my iPad,
> > and I had paid for a month of 3G service, so I was able to keep working
> > on the iPad.
>
> It isn't the Tab specifically. I am just not quite sure how a tablet
> fits into my life. I am happy with it as a product, it seems very
> solid and stable, and works brilliantly... I am just finding I have a
> tool, with which there is no task to use it,

I can understand that. As I said, the iPad works out quite well for
me, since it is good for quick emails, book reading, etc. I didn't
know if it would work out at first, but now I use it so much, my wife
keeps threatening (good naturedly,I hope) to take it away from me.

On Jan 25, 1:58=A0pm, Dave Fritzinger <dfrit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 8:51=A0am, Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 10:53=A0pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrote=
:
> > > =A0Jerry <ifree...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 22, 2:27 pm, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospam.mac.com> wrot=
e:

> > > > > Good luck with your Galaxy Tab.
>
> > > > Ha, thanks! I am not really so sure how great it is.. I mean it wor=
ks
> > > > perfect, the size seems good, but I am finding it a tad bit useless=
 if
> > > > you know what I mean...
>
> > > I''m sorry the Tab isn't working out so well for you. I find that I a=
m
> > > really quite happy with my iPad. It is great for reading books and we=
b
> > > surfing, as well as light email work. I can type reasonably well on t=
he
> > > virtual keyboard, but I prefer my iMac for any sort of content creati=
on.
> > > It did save my (and a co-worker's) butt while I was in NYC last summe=
r...
>
> > It isn't the Tab specifically. I am just not quite sure how a tablet
> > fits into my life. I am happy with it as a product, it seems very
> > solid and stable, and works brilliantly... I am just finding I have a
> > tool, with which there is no task to use it,
>
> I can understand that. As I said, the iPad works out quite well for
> me, since it is good for quick emails, book reading, etc. I didn't
> know if it would work out at first, but now I use it so much, my wife
> keeps threatening (good naturedly,I hope) to take it away from me.

I'd say that our iPad adoption was also fairly speculative early on,
but after being on vacation with it for two weeks, it simply
"clicked".  Naturally, this probably has a lot to do with personal use
habits (choices):  simplistically, a "creator" is going to probably
prefer a different device.  Nevertheless, I think that it is safe to
say that for us, we'll probably be picking up a second one pretty much
as soon as the 2G details are known, although there's still the
likelihood of an 11" Macbook Air as a contender, since the old 12" G4
Powerbook is still great, but long in the tooth ... it is in need of a
fresh battery, but even with a brand new one, the new machines have
double the runtime.


-hh