Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.

Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the Republican
National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the
entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted by
security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near
the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA
Today."

Moore's timing could not have been better.

Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as the
"disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an
oasis of peace."

After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting, "Four more
years!"

E&P reported that when Moore left soon after, he was "accompanied by heavy
security. He told E&P on the way out that he was not fleeing: He had to
speak to a Planned Parenthood gathering at a theater uptown." 

[No word yet if Moore has agreed to be the organization's poster child.]

You'd think that after he made all that money off the idiots who viewed his 
propaganda film, the fat bastard could afford a razor blade and a shower.


"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message 
news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
>
> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the Republican
> National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the
> entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted 
> by
> security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near
> the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA
> Today."
>
> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>
> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as the
> "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was 
> an
> oasis of peace."
>
> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting, "Four 
> more
> years!"
>
> E&P reported that when Moore left soon after, he was "accompanied by heavy
> security. He told E&P on the way out that he was not fleeing: He had to
> speak to a Planned Parenthood gathering at a theater uptown."
>
> [No word yet if Moore has agreed to be the organization's poster child.] 

"Guido" <unknown@microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:413492f3$0$19711$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> You'd think that after he made all that money off the idiots who viewed 
> his propaganda film, the fat bastard could afford a razor blade and a 
> shower.

ROFL

And to think, Moore knew that idiots would pay him millions to see his film 
so he could become richer than he already was, and these bozo's flocked to 
see it.  Now, Moore is being exposed as the big fat phoney most of us 
already knew him to be.


>
>
> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message 
> news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
>> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
>>
>> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the Republican
>> National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the
>> entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted 
>> by
>> security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near
>> the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA
>> Today."
>>
>> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>>
>> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as 
>> the
>> "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was 
>> an
>> oasis of peace."
>>
>> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting, "Four 
>> more
>> years!"
>>
>> E&P reported that when Moore left soon after, he was "accompanied by 
>> heavy
>> security. He told E&P on the way out that he was not fleeing: He had to
>> speak to a Planned Parenthood gathering at a theater uptown."
>>
>> [No word yet if Moore has agreed to be the organization's poster child.]
>
> 

Gactimus wrote:

> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.

Heard this joke...

President Bush is sent to Hell and Beholsibab waits on him
to administer punishment.

Beholsibab: "We have several choices for u.."

"This is room no.1. In here is President Nixon. He has to climbed up a steep
cliff and jumped off. At the bottom is water. Below the water is a steel
gate. We stop him falling when he hits the gate.
Hence we call it the water gate punishment."

Bush: "Oh! that looks painful. Can I view room 2 please?"

Beholsibab: "This is room no.2. In here we have Mr. Tony Blair and a 
mirror. As you can see he is muttering something about Iraq and weapons of
mass distruction right now. His punishment is simple. All he has to do is
look in the mirror and tell the truth."

Bush: "AGaahh! Holy Iraki Oil Pipelines! What do you think I am? I am a
politician not a saint! I want to try room 3."

Beholsibab: "This is room no.3. We call it the weapon of mass distraction
punishment. Please take care, this room is full of slippery slimy, sticky
DNA samples. Our resident has been very busy. I think you recognise these
two people in here. That happy chap there is President Clinton and that
girl over there is Monica giving plenty of non stop head."

Bush: "Oh! Wonderful! I mean terrible terrible... :-)
      Can I take this one then? I am a dick head. I deserve this one.
      Please... There were no weapons of mass distruction in Irak.
      I lied. I just wanted to invade and kill Irakis and take
      all their oil. Can I take this room now please? "

Beholsibab: "Are you sure... there is nothing in the book about you
             being a h...."

Bush: "No! No! I insist! Let me stay here! I want this one!"

Beholsibab: "ALRIGHT! By the powers of hell and damnation
I shall give you this punishment."

Bush: "Yippeeee! I mean, terrible! Terrible! Goodbye. See you.."

Beholsibab: "Byeee!.. Alright Monica... you can go to heaven now.
             President Bush is taking over for you."

Bush: "AAGGGAAAAHHHHHAAAAaaaa.....! NNOOOoooo!!!"

Beholsibab: "Cock sucker to the last minute!
             God why do you send me these politicians?
             Are you trying to punish me for something I did?"

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.

  Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth about Mr.
Subliminable.

>
> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the Republican
> National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the
> entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted
by
> security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near
> the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA
> Today."
>
> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>
> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as the
> "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was
an
> oasis of peace."
>
> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting, "Four
more
> years!"

  After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more months" when
the camera hit him.  lol

  Cavepeople are very predictable.  Kind of sad watching McCain lie though,
I had respect for him until last night.

Gactimus wrote:
> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> 
> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the Republican
> National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the
> entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted by
> security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near
> the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA
> Today."
> 
> Moore's timing could not have been better.
> 
> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as the
> "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an
> oasis of peace."
> 
> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting, "Four more
> years!"
> 
> E&P reported that when Moore left soon after, he was "accompanied by heavy
> security. He told E&P on the way out that he was not fleeing: He had to
> speak to a Planned Parenthood gathering at a theater uptown." 
> 
> [No word yet if Moore has agreed to be the organization's poster child.]

Typical right-wing dipshit - ignorant of the truth as usual.

a) Moore has no bodyguards.
b) When the flock of sheep in the auditorium started chanting 'four more
years', Moore stuck up two fingers and said back, 'two more months'.

Given how often you redneck dimwits lie, why are you not better at it?

*plonk*

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.

My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.  The
Republicans wanted him there, partly so that they could focus the
camera right on him every time a speaker wanted to challenge his
movie.

> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the Republican
> National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the
> entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted by
> security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near
> the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA
> Today."

I think part of the problem was that the security people felt that
Moore needed to be protected from the delegates.  Since the delegates
weren't told that Moore was invited, they just considered him an
unwelcome party-crasher.

> Moore's timing could not have been better.

Moore wasn't entirely stupid either.  He knew that whether he showed
up or not, the Republicans would be taking pot-shots.  In fact, by
showing up, he made it clear that he was willing to take the hits.

Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
bizarre assumptions too.  Nearly all of the "Mind Reading" during the
"My Pet Goat" was pure speculation.  It just might be that George Bush
had promised these kids that he would come to visit.  The kids were
excited to see him.  The real question was, "how soon can I leave
without breaking these little kids' hearts".

There were lots of those types of "put words in the mouth" conclusions
and scenarios.  Yes, the Saudi's represent 7% of the US investment
capital.  At one time, the Netherlands represented almost 12%.  The
Asians nearly 8%.  Western Europe was a substantial stake-holder as
well.  But the only thing "interesting" was that Saudis had invested.

Michael Moore never asserted that George W. asked George H. to do
anything illegal, or look the other way.  In fact, George W. was the
one asking for favors, mainly that Saudi Arabia provide bases from
which America could stage the Gulf War in 1991.  George W. had lots of
contacts, with refineries, with diversification opportunities, and
with drilling operations who could help the Saudis modernize their oil
wells.  - but FH911 made in look like the only possible reason that
the Saudis would hire George Bush was to manipulate George W into
leaving Osama alone.

> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as the
> "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an
> oasis of peace."

Al Jezira was more than happy to cover the negative side of the war. 
Every time the U.S. bombed civilian targets, accidentally or because
they were sites of bathist strongholds, or because Sadaam was using
human shields, Al Jezera was doing everything they could to stir up
hate against the "Israel Loving Americans".

What surprised me was that no one has played the quote where George
Bush says "The United Nations has become Irrelevant".  Not the best
way to endear yourself with the international governing organization
designed to stop strong nations from successively invading other
nations.  In that moment, George Bush was looking to the rest of the
world like Adolf Hitler.  Many began to believe that Bush was the
MABUS character of the Nostradamus prophesies (another leader ranked
up there with Napoleon and Hitler).

> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed ?then began chanting, "Four more
> years!"

Moore knew what the purpose of the invitation was.  He took his lumps.
 Then he left.  He let them know he was there, that he was proud of
what he'd done, and that he wasn't going to try to "hide out".  I'm
sure there were some right-wing republicans who wouldn't have
hesitated to make an example of Moore, which would have been exactly
what Moore would have wanted.  The security detail made sure that
Moore didn't get too severely mauled, becoming proof that Bush's right
wing Republicans are no different than the Nazi Brown Shirts.

Fortunately, decorum was maintained.  There were no acts of violence
against Moore, and he just got booed.  When he left, there was more
than enough security to protect him from the angry mob.

> E&P reported that when Moore left soon after, he was "accompanied by heavy
> security. He told E&P on the way out that he was not fleeing: He had to
> speak to a Planned Parenthood gathering at a theater uptown." 
> 
> [No word yet if Moore has agreed to be the organization's poster child.]

Both John McCain and Rudy spoke brilliantly, even if slightly out of
character.  These are two of the party moderates, who disagreem with
President Bush on many many issues, but at the same time, they were
very effective at explaining to Moderates why they support George W.
Bush and aren't sitting on the sidelines.

Unfortunately, there were numerous strange choices.  The white guy
singing a negro Christian spiritual (Amazing Grace) to honor the 9/11
survivors (most of whom were Jewish).  The texas redneck country
singer with the fundamentalist Christian lyrics.  George Bush has made
big points with minorities, especially blacks, for appointing both
Colin Powell and Condalizza Rice to top positions in his cabinet. 
Normally the Secretary of State is the second most powerful position
in the government (the Vice President usually being a figurehead used
to balance the ticket).  He also appointed more women to his cabinet
than Bill Clinton did.  Then he turns the Republican Convention into a
tribute to White Anglo-redneck Fundamentalist Christian Amway dealers.

I wish George Bush could have made the case for Iraq as eloquently as
Rudy did, or the case for the war on Terror as well as John McCain
did.  He'd probably be unbeatable right now if he had been a bit more
diplomatic and eloquent.  Instead it's like "The Red Neck vs The
Hippie".

And playing up all the veterans wasn't helping either.  McCain was
snubbed as a running mate - twice, Colin Powell isn't even speaking,
and George Bush didn't even go to Vietnam.  At least Chaney has some
first hand military experience he can talk about. Doesn't he?

Still undecided.

"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
news:ch2idj$3i8$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu: 

> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
>
>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
>> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> 
>   Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth about
>   Mr. Subliminable.

Michael Moore isn't in the truth business.

>> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the
>> Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm
>> with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was
>> repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved press
>> seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a
>> daily column this week for USA Today."
>>
>> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>>
>> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as
>> the "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's
>> Iraq was an oasis of peace."
>>
>> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting,
>> "Four more years!"
> 
>   After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more months"
>   when the camera hit him.  lol

I guess idiot Michael Moore doesn't know that even if Bush loses the 
election he will still be in office for about 5 months.

r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in
news:29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com: 

> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
>
>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
>> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> 
> My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.

The Republicans didn't invite him. He was a guest of USA Today.

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in news:Xns9556C108BC72FPX@alaska.local:

> "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
> news:ch2idj$3i8$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu: 
> 
>> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local... 
>>
>>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
>>> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards. 
>> 
>>   Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth about
>>   Mr. Subliminable.
> 
> Michael Moore isn't in the truth business.
> 
How would a consumate liar like you know?  

>>> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the
>>> Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm
>>> with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was
>>> repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved press
>>> seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a
>>> daily column this week for USA Today."
>>>
>>> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>>>
>>> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as
>>> the "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's
>>> Iraq was an oasis of peace."
>>>
>>> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting,
>>> "Four more years!"
>> 
>>   After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more months"
>>   when the camera hit him.  lol 
> 
> I guess idiot Michael Moore doesn't know that even if Bush loses the 
> election he will still be in office for about 5 months.
> 
We see that math, like truth, isn't one of your strong points.

Rex Ballard wrote:
> 
> <snip a lot>
>
> And playing up all the veterans wasn't helping either.  McCain was
> snubbed as a running mate - twice, Colin Powell isn't even speaking,
> and George Bush didn't even go to Vietnam.  At least Chaney has some
> first hand military experience he can talk about. Doesn't he?
> 
> Still undecided.

No, Cheney has less military experience than Bush, that is, none at
all.  Cheney's the guy who said he "had other priorities" rather than
answering the draft call and serving his nation in uniform.  Well, who
didn't have other priorities?

Cheney may have set some kind of record with five (5) deferments from
the draft.

"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
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> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9556C108BC72FPX@alaska.local...
>
>> "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
>> news:ch2idj$3i8$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
>>
>> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> > news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
>> >
>> >> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he
>> >> is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
>> >
>> >   Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth
>> >   about Mr. Subliminable.
>>
>> Michael Moore isn't in the truth business.
>>
>> >> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the
>> >> Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10
>> >> pm with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was
>> >> repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved press
>> >> seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a
>> >> daily column this week for USA Today."
>> >>
>> >> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>> >>
>> >> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech
>> >> as the "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that
>> >> Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace."
>> >>
>> >> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting,
>> >> "Four more years!"
>> >
>> >   After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more
>> >   months" when the camera hit him.  lol
>>
>> I guess idiot Michael Moore doesn't know that even if Bush loses the
>> election he will still be in office for about 5 months.
> 
> I guess idiot Gactimus is unable to understand that two more months
> means how lng Bush has until he is voted out of office.

Bush won't be voted out of office.

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9556C108BC72FPX@alaska.local...
> "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
> news:ch2idj$3i8$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
>
> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> > news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
> >
> >> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> >> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> >
> >   Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth about
> >   Mr. Subliminable.
>
> Michael Moore isn't in the truth business.
>
> >> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the
> >> Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm
> >> with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was
> >> repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved press
> >> seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a
> >> daily column this week for USA Today."
> >>
> >> Moore's timing could not have been better.
> >>
> >> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as
> >> the "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's
> >> Iraq was an oasis of peace."
> >>
> >> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting,
> >> "Four more years!"
> >
> >   After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more months"
> >   when the camera hit him.  lol
>
> I guess idiot Michael Moore doesn't know that even if Bush loses the
> election he will still be in office for about 5 months.

I guess idiot Gactimus is unable to understand that two more months means
how lng Bush has until he is voted out of office.

Larry

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9556C14417F34PX@alaska.local...
> r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in
> news:29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com:
>
> > Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> > news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
> >
> >> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> >> hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> >
> > My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.
>
> The Republicans didn't invite him. He was a guest of USA Today.

Nope. He was an invited member of the press representing USA Today.

USA Today is not the host of the RNC.

Larry

"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
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> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9556C14417F34PX@alaska.local...
>
>> r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in
>> news:29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com:
>>
>>> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>>> news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
>>>
>>>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he
>>>> is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
>>>
>>> My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.
>>
>> The Republicans didn't invite him. He was a guest of USA Today.
> 
> Nope. He was an invited member of the press representing USA Today.

What I said.

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
> news:ch354g$959t$1@news3.infoave.net:
>
> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9556C108BC72FPX@alaska.local...
> >
> >> "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
> >> news:ch2idj$3i8$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
> >>
> >> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
> >> >
> >> >> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he
> >> >> is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> >> >
> >> >   Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth
> >> >   about Mr. Subliminable.
> >>
> >> Michael Moore isn't in the truth business.
> >>
> >> >> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the
> >> >> Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10
> >> >> pm with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was
> >> >> repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved press
> >> >> seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a
> >> >> daily column this week for USA Today."
> >> >>
> >> >> Moore's timing could not have been better.
> >> >>
> >> >> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech
> >> >> as the "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that
> >> >> Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace."
> >> >>
> >> >> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting,
> >> >> "Four more years!"
> >> >
> >> >   After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more
> >> >   months" when the camera hit him.  lol
> >>
> >> I guess idiot Michael Moore doesn't know that even if Bush loses the
> >> election he will still be in office for about 5 months.
> >
> > I guess idiot Gactimus is unable to understand that two more months
> > means how lng Bush has until he is voted out of office.
>
> Bush won't be voted out of office.

Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected --- unless he pulls off
another massive fraud like he did in Florida.

My county is deoming its new electronic voting machines. One demo is a t a
community college. While I was hanging arund waiting to pick someone up I
watched the demo. Some hyperactive student didn;t want to wade through the
crowd and tried to go behind the display, tripping over teh power cord.
Guess what, folks! Votes were lost. They had no idea what the status of the
current "voter" was.

Larry

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
> news:ch356j$95so$1@news3.infoave.net:
>
> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9556C14417F34PX@alaska.local...
> >
> >> r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in
> >> news:29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >>> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
> >>>
> >>>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he
> >>>> is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> >>>
> >>> My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.
> >>
> >> The Republicans didn't invite him. He was a guest of USA Today.
> >
> > Nope. He was an invited member of the press representing USA Today.
>
> What I said.

Nope. Let me put it so bluntly even a lying rightard like you will
understand.

The Repuglicn National Committee runs  - hosts - the Repuglicon National
COnvention. They issue press passes - invitations to attend - to various
news organizations. These news organizatins hire individuals as
representatives, giving them the invitations (passes).

Anyone attending the RNC _without_ an invitation issued by the RNC is
subject t arrest.

Larry

r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in message news:<29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>...
> 
> Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
> bizarre assumptions too.  Nearly all of the "Mind Reading" during the
> "My Pet Goat" was pure speculation.

Of course, that was obvious.  Doesn't Moore say
in the voiceover something to the effect of "I
wonder what he was thinking..."?

> It just might be that George Bush
> had promised these kids that he would come to visit.  The kids were
> excited to see him.  The real question was, "how soon can I leave
> without breaking these little kids' hearts".

Ummmm... and this isn't "pure speculation"?  :-)

> 
> There were lots of those types of "put words in the mouth" conclusions
> and scenarios.  Yes, the Saudi's represent 7% of the US investment
> capital.  At one time, the Netherlands represented almost 12%.  

Did Dutch nationals fly planes into American landmarks
during that time and were they exempt from investigation?
Moore doesn't really draw too many conclusions from the
Saudi/Bush relationship - except that they've never been
very adversarial with the Saudis.

> Michael Moore never asserted that George W. asked George H. to do
> anything illegal, or look the other way.  In fact, George W. was the
> one asking for favors, mainly that Saudi Arabia provide bases from
> which America could stage the Gulf War in 1991.  George W. had lots of
> contacts, with refineries, with diversification opportunities, and
> with drilling operations who could help the Saudis modernize their oil
> wells.  - but FH911 made in look like the only possible reason that
> the Saudis would hire George Bush was to manipulate George W into
> leaving Osama alone.

I didn't get that impression at all!

The effort to win the war on terrorism cannot be won by slandering
heroic war veterans like John Kerry. Clearly, Karl Rove is handing
John Kerry a landslide because the sleazy effort to destroy the
credibility of a war hero has magnified the contrast between those who
served their country and those who were AWOL.

John O'Neill on ABC's This Week With George Stephanopoulos: "How do I
know
he's [Kerry] not in Cambodia? I was on the same river, George. I was
there
two months after him. Our patrol area ran to Sedek, it was 50 miles
from
Cambodia. There isn't any watery border. The Mekong River's like the 
Mississippi. There were gunboats stationed right up there to stop
people from
coming. And our boats didn't go north of, only slightly north of
Sedek. So it
was a made-up story." [8/22]

In 1971, O'Neill said precisely the opposite to then-President Richard
Nixon." CNN then aired the audiotape of O'Neill telling Nixon that he
was, in
fact, in Cambodia during the Vietnam War:

O'NEILL: I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border on the
water.

NIXON: In a swift boat?

O'NEILL: Yes, sir.

http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm

sounds like CNN has failed to report this story

rstacey@runbox.com (Madelin McKinnon) wrote in
news:8916096a.0408312026.4ab57aeb@posting.google.com: 

> The effort to win the war on terrorism cannot be won by slandering
> heroic war veterans like John Kerry. Clearly, Karl Rove is handing
> John Kerry a landslide because the sleazy effort to destroy the
> credibility of a war hero has magnified the contrast between those who
> served their country and those who were AWOL.

What does Karl Rove have to do with the Swift Vets? Anyways, polls have shown 
that the ads have had a negative effect on Kerry.

"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:

>
>"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>news:Xns9556D51F155D7PX@alaska.local...
>> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
>> news:ch356j$95so$1@news3.infoave.net:
>>
>> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns9556C14417F34PX@alaska.local...
>> >
>> >> r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in
>> >> news:29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com:
>> >>
>> >>> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> >>> news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he
>> >>>> is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
>> >>>
>> >>> My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.
>> >>
>> >> The Republicans didn't invite him. He was a guest of USA Today.
>> >
>> > Nope. He was an invited member of the press representing USA Today.
>>
>> What I said.
>
>Nope. Let me put it so bluntly even a lying rightard like you will
>understand.
>
>The Repuglicn National Committee runs  - hosts - the Repuglicon National
>COnvention. They issue press passes - invitations to attend - to various
>news organizations. These news organizatins hire individuals as
>representatives, giving them the invitations (passes).
>
>Anyone attending the RNC _without_ an invitation issued by the RNC is
>subject t arrest.

Idiot.  None of that disputes what Gactimus said.

Talk about retarded...

Larry Hewitt wrote:
> Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected

i have $1000 that says he will. are you willing to take that bet?

>--- unless he pulls off another massive fraud like he did in Florida.

that's not your way out of the bet.

and it's not a way for you to save face either.

the fact that you would mention it now is because you know he is going to
win, and you want an out.

you are a gutless wimp with no money to back up your mouth.

deposit $1000 with a third party escrow and i will do the same. if Bush
wins, i get the $2000, if Bush does not win, you get it.

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In article <8916096a.0408312026.4ab57aeb@posting.google.com>,
Madelin McKinnon <rstacey@runbox.com> wrote:
>The effort to win the war on terrorism cannot be won by slandering

What is the end-point of the "war on terrorism"? When will we know
it has been won? Some say perpetual war suits Washington very well.

Francis

"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
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> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9556D51F155D7PX@alaska.local...
>
>> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
>> news:ch356j$95so$1@news3.infoave.net:
>>
>> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns9556C14417F34PX@alaska.local...
>> >
>> >> r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in
>> >> news:29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com:
>> >>
>> >>> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> >>> news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that
>> >>>> he is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security
>> >>>> guards. 
>> >>>
>> >>> My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.
>> >>
>> >> The Republicans didn't invite him. He was a guest of USA Today.
>> >
>> > Nope. He was an invited member of the press representing USA Today.
>>
>> What I said.
> 
> Nope. Let me put it so bluntly even a lying rightard like you will
> understand.
> 
> The Repuglicn National Committee runs  - hosts - the Repuglicon National
> COnvention. They issue press passes - invitations to attend - to various
> news organizations. These news organizatins hire individuals as
> representatives, giving them the invitations (passes).
> 
> Anyone attending the RNC _without_ an invitation issued by the RNC is
> subject t arrest.

Michael Moore still wasn't invited by the RNC. He only had a pass to get in 
because he was a guest of USA Today.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Gactimus
<gactimus@xrs.net>
 wrote
on Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:33:11 GMT
<Xns9556D1B6F703CPX@alaska.local>:
> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
> news:ch354g$959t$1@news3.infoave.net: 
>
>> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9556C108BC72FPX@alaska.local...
>>
>>> "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
>>> news:ch2idj$3i8$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
>>>
>>> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
>>> >
>>> >> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he
>>> >> is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
>>> >
>>> >   Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth
>>> >   about Mr. Subliminable.
>>>
>>> Michael Moore isn't in the truth business.
>>>
>>> >> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the
>>> >> Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10
>>> >> pm with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was
>>> >> repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved press
>>> >> seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a
>>> >> daily column this week for USA Today."
>>> >>
>>> >> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>>> >>
>>> >> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech
>>> >> as the "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that
>>> >> Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace."
>>> >>
>>> >> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting,
>>> >> "Four more years!"
>>> >
>>> >   After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more
>>> >   months" when the camera hit him.  lol
>>>
>>> I guess idiot Michael Moore doesn't know that even if Bush loses the
>>> election he will still be in office for about 5 months.
>> 
>> I guess idiot Gactimus is unable to understand that two more months
>> means how lng Bush has until he is voted out of office.
>
> Bush won't be voted out of office.

Indeed, and that worries me.  Latest poll numbers show
that Bush has the majority, both popular *and* Electoral.
(It's a slim majority, thought.)

At least he won't be able to play "outspend the opponent"
now, though he'll probably still have more money than Kerry
(since Kerry presumably had to spend some money during
the five-week "creditability gap". :-)

ObLinux: Should we campaign for FOSS voting machines? :-)

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On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
<29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:

>
>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>bizarre assumptions too.

Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
make it up.
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"No doubt about it, 9-11 was orchestrated by Lockheed." - *lexa 'connects the dots' 4/27/04 (cg5t80pl73d7r1s8113tqd19qse0ji0nrq@4ax.com)

"Nope, Lockheed provided the cover for 9-11 due to abuses of it's system.  They're guilty as charged.  But ultimately it was Bechtel who concocted the
9-11 events."  Alexa connects some totally different dots.  8/6/04 (n3p8h0lvp0u3tj0j4vi7gjmo069gb96fhm@4ax.com)

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Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote:

> On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
> in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
> <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
> 
> 
>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>bizarre assumptions too.
> 
> 
> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
> make it up.

I measure the degree of /truth/fulness of something to the degree that 
it riles people up and makes them spew vehemently.

Based on the foaming mouths of the rabid Republicans, Moore has spoken 
plainly...truthfully.


> --
> V.G.
> 
> Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
> "I wanted a car I could run down pedestrians with.  But one with a comfy ride, like a sofa on wheels." - Father Haskell
> 
> "No doubt about it, 9-11 was orchestrated by Lockheed." - *lexa 'connects the dots' 4/27/04 (cg5t80pl73d7r1s8113tqd19qse0ji0nrq@4ax.com)
> 
> "Nope, Lockheed provided the cover for 9-11 due to abuses of it's system.  They're guilty as charged.  But ultimately it was Bechtel who concocted the
> 9-11 events."  Alexa connects some totally different dots.  8/6/04 (n3p8h0lvp0u3tj0j4vi7gjmo069gb96fhm@4ax.com)
> 
> Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.

"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message 
news:c7tbj0h8mu15ls7utvarnf9j4us6e3fgpd@4ax.com...
> On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
> in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
> <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
>
>>
>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>bizarre assumptions too.
>
> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
> make it up.


That is true.  And one thing I have learned about too many liberals is they 
love to make it up as they go along.

"Joe Jackson" <jjackson@neverland.ranch> wrote in message 
news:CMmZc.68772$JG7.55995@hydra.nntpserver.com...
> Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote:
>
>> On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
>> in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
>> <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
>>
>>
>>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>>bizarre assumptions too.
>>
>>
>> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
>> make it up.
>
> I measure the degree of /truth/fulness of something to the degree that it 
> riles people up and makes them spew vehemently.
>
> Based on the foaming mouths of the rabid Republicans, Moore has spoken 
> plainly...truthfully.

Except that Moore has dramatized and lied...but I guess you consider that 
the truth. 

"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

>"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message 
>news:c7tbj0h8mu15ls7utvarnf9j4us6e3fgpd@4ax.com...
>> On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
>> in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
>> <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>>bizarre assumptions too.
>>
>> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
>> make it up.
>
>
>That is true.  And one thing I have learned about too many liberals is they 
>love to make it up as they go along.

Hilarious, coming from a supporter of the Bush administration.

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:t11cj0lahehrd9shog1rsj2f952dbke7v1@4ax.com...
> "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in 
>>message
>>news:c7tbj0h8mu15ls7utvarnf9j4us6e3fgpd@4ax.com...
>>> On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
>>> in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
>>> <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>>>bizarre assumptions too.
>>>
>>> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
>>> make it up.
>>
>>
>>That is true.  And one thing I have learned about too many liberals is 
>>they
>>love to make it up as they go along.
>
> Hilarious, coming from a supporter of the Bush administration.

I support the one I think is the best one that can do the job and who is 
running. I don't care if that person is Republican, Democrat, 
Independent...I have voted many times for people in all parties.

 

"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:2pme5uFm1gmoU3@uni-berlin.de...
> Larry Hewitt wrote:
> > Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected
>
> i have $1000 that says he will. are you willing to take that bet?
>
> >--- unless he pulls off another massive fraud like he did in Florida.
>
> that's not your way out of the bet.
>
> and it's not a way for you to save face either.
>
> the fact that you would mention it now is because you know he is going to
> win, and you want an out.
>
> you are a gutless wimp with no money to back up your mouth.
>
> deposit $1000 with a third party escrow and i will do the same. if Bush
> wins, i get the $2000, if Bush does not win, you get it.
>
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"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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:
: I support the one I think is the best one that can do the job and who is
: running. I don't care if that person is a *gutless thieving murdering
coward*
: I have voted many times for people in all parties.

That's cause you americans are too religious to know what shame is

"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:2pme5uFm1gmoU3@uni-berlin.de...
> Larry Hewitt wrote:
> > Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected
>
> i have $1000 that says he will. are you willing to take that bet?
>

SHow me the money.

> >--- unless he pulls off another massive fraud like he did in Florida.
>
> that's not your way out of the bet.
>

Never intended to bet. But I'll call you on it.

> and it's not a way for you to save face either.
>

No intention of saving face. Just pointing out anoither repuglicona ttempt
to steal an election they cannot win.

> the fact that you would mention it now is because you know he is going to
> win, and you want an out.
>

Not at all. Kerry is going to win. Even if the Bushies get caught AGAIN
trying to steal an election.

> you are a gutless wimp with no money to back up your mouth.
>

You are the one mentioning money.

> deposit $1000 with a third party escrow and i will do the same. if Bush
> wins, i get the $2000, if Bush does not win, you get it.
>

You started it. Show me the money.

Loser.

Larry

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> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
> news:ch3aps$98ih$1@news3.infoave.net:
>
> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9556D51F155D7PX@alaska.local...
> >
> >> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
> >> news:ch356j$95so$1@news3.infoave.net:
> >>
> >> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:Xns9556C14417F34PX@alaska.local...
> >> >
> >> >> r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in
> >> >> news:29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that
> >> >>>> he is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security
> >> >>>> guards.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Republicans didn't invite him. He was a guest of USA Today.
> >> >
> >> > Nope. He was an invited member of the press representing USA Today.
> >>
> >> What I said.
> >
> > Nope. Let me put it so bluntly even a lying rightard like you will
> > understand.
> >
> > The Repuglicn National Committee runs  - hosts - the Repuglicon National
> > COnvention. They issue press passes - invitations to attend - to various
> > news organizations. These news organizatins hire individuals as
> > representatives, giving them the invitations (passes).
> >
> > Anyone attending the RNC _without_ an invitation issued by the RNC is
> > subject t arrest.
>
> Michael Moore still wasn't invited by the RNC. He only had a pass to get
in
> because he was a guest of USA Today.

Moore is an _employee_ of USA Today. He is a _guest_ of hte RNC.

You really need to stop shooting your mouth off making inane assertions. You
keep getting caught and then have to try to spin your way out.

Larry

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:28:18 -0700, Joe Jackson <jjackson@neverland.ranch>
wrote in message <CMmZc.68772$JG7.55995@hydra.nntpserver.com>:
>Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote:
>>On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
>>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>>bizarre assumptions too.
>> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
>> make it up.
>I measure the degree of /truth/fulness of something to the degree that 
>it riles people up and makes them spew vehemently.
>Based on the foaming mouths of the rabid Republicans, Moore has spoken 
>plainly...truthfully.

Bush is still going to win.

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:18:15 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
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>"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
>>"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message 
>>> On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
>>>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>>>bizarre assumptions too.
>>> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
>>> make it up.
>>That is true.  And one thing I have learned about too many liberals is they 
>>love to make it up as they go along.
>Hilarious, coming from a supporter of the Bush administration.

where will you move to when Bush wins?

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r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote in message news:<29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>...
> Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local>...
> > Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he is
> > hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security guards.
> 
> My understanding was that he was invited to the convention.  The
> Republicans wanted him there, partly so that they could focus the
> camera right on him every time a speaker wanted to challenge his
> movie.
> 
> > Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the Republican
> > National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10 pm with the
> > entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was repeatedly halted by
> > security attempting to reach his reserved press seat in section #340 near
> > the side of the stage. Moore is writing a daily column this week for USA
> > Today."
> 
> I think part of the problem was that the security people felt that
> Moore needed to be protected from the delegates.  Since the delegates
> weren't told that Moore was invited, they just considered him an
> unwelcome party-crasher.
> 
> > Moore's timing could not have been better.
> 
> Moore wasn't entirely stupid either.  He knew that whether he showed
> up or not, the Republicans would be taking pot-shots.  In fact, by
> showing up, he made it clear that he was willing to take the hits.
> 
> Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
> bizarre assumptions too.  Nearly all of the "Mind Reading" during the
> "My Pet Goat" was pure speculation.  It just might be that George Bush
> had promised these kids that he would come to visit.  The kids were
> excited to see him.  The real question was, "how soon can I leave
> without breaking these little kids' hearts".
> 
> There were lots of those types of "put words in the mouth" conclusions
> and scenarios.  Yes, the Saudi's represent 7% of the US investment
> capital.  At one time, the Netherlands represented almost 12%.  The
> Asians nearly 8%.  Western Europe was a substantial stake-holder as
> well.  But the only thing "interesting" was that Saudis had invested.
> 
> Michael Moore never asserted that George W. asked George H. to do
> anything illegal, or look the other way.  In fact, George W. was the
> one asking for favors, mainly that Saudi Arabia provide bases from
> which America could stage the Gulf War in 1991.  George W. had lots of
> contacts, with refineries, with diversification opportunities, and
> with drilling operations who could help the Saudis modernize their oil
> wells.  - but FH911 made in look like the only possible reason that
> the Saudis would hire George Bush was to manipulate George W into
> leaving Osama alone.
> 
> > Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech as the
> > "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an
> > oasis of peace."
> 
> Al Jezira was more than happy to cover the negative side of the war. 
> Every time the U.S. bombed civilian targets, accidentally or because
> they were sites of bathist strongholds, or because Sadaam was using
> human shields, Al Jezera was doing everything they could to stir up
> hate against the "Israel Loving Americans".
> 
> What surprised me was that no one has played the quote where George
> Bush says "The United Nations has become Irrelevant".  Not the best
> way to endear yourself with the international governing organization
> designed to stop strong nations from successively invading other
> nations.  In that moment, George Bush was looking to the rest of the
> world like Adolf Hitler.  Many began to believe that Bush was the
> MABUS character of the Nostradamus prophesies (another leader ranked
> up there with Napoleon and Hitler).
> 
> > After McCain's remarks, the audience booed ?then began chanting, "Four more
> > years!"
> 
> Moore knew what the purpose of the invitation was.  He took his lumps.
>  Then he left.  He let them know he was there, that he was proud of
> what he'd done, and that he wasn't going to try to "hide out".  I'm
> sure there were some right-wing republicans who wouldn't have
> hesitated to make an example of Moore, which would have been exactly
> what Moore would have wanted.  The security detail made sure that
> Moore didn't get too severely mauled, becoming proof that Bush's right
> wing Republicans are no different than the Nazi Brown Shirts.
> 
> Fortunately, decorum was maintained.  There were no acts of violence
> against Moore, and he just got booed.  When he left, there was more
> than enough security to protect him from the angry mob.
> 
> > E&P reported that when Moore left soon after, he was "accompanied by heavy
> > security. He told E&P on the way out that he was not fleeing: He had to
> > speak to a Planned Parenthood gathering at a theater uptown." 
> > 
> > [No word yet if Moore has agreed to be the organization's poster child.]
> 
> Both John McCain and Rudy spoke brilliantly, even if slightly out of
> character.  These are two of the party moderates, who disagreem with
> President Bush on many many issues, but at the same time, they were
> very effective at explaining to Moderates why they support George W.
> Bush and aren't sitting on the sidelines.
> 
Very effective at explaining to Moderates??? NO WAY! SEE article, 'A
Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican':
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=144


> Unfortunately, there were numerous strange choices.  The white guy
> singing a negro Christian spiritual (Amazing Grace) to honor the 9/11
> survivors (most of whom were Jewish).  The texas redneck country
> singer with the fundamentalist Christian lyrics.  George Bush has made
> big points with minorities, especially blacks, for appointing both
> Colin Powell and Condalizza Rice to top positions in his cabinet. 
> Normally the Secretary of State is the second most powerful position
> in the government (the Vice President usually being a figurehead used
> to balance the ticket).  He also appointed more women to his cabinet
> than Bill Clinton did.  Then he turns the Republican Convention into a
> tribute to White Anglo-redneck Fundamentalist Christian Amway dealers.
> 
> I wish George Bush could have made the case for Iraq as eloquently as
> Rudy did, or the case for the war on Terror as well as John McCain
> did.  He'd probably be unbeatable right now if he had been a bit more
> diplomatic and eloquent.  Instead it's like "The Red Neck vs The
> Hippie".
> 
> And playing up all the veterans wasn't helping either.  McCain was
> snubbed as a running mate - twice, Colin Powell isn't even speaking,
> and George Bush didn't even go to Vietnam.  At least Chaney has some
> first hand military experience he can talk about. Doesn't he?
> 
> Still undecided.

modlibdem wrote:

> 
> Very effective at explaining to Moderates??? NO WAY! SEE article, 'A
> Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican':
> http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=144
> 
> 

Nothing but a web page full of political rhetoric.

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:28:18 -0700, Joe Jackson
<jjackson@neverland.ranch> wrote in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
<CMmZc.68772$JG7.55995@hydra.nntpserver.com>:

>Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy) wrote:
>
>> On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
>> in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
>> <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
>> 
>> 
>>>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>>>bizarre assumptions too.
>> 
>> 
>> Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
>> make it up.
>
>I measure the degree of /truth/fulness of something to the degree that 
>it riles people up and makes them spew vehemently.
>
>Based on the foaming mouths of the rabid Republicans, Moore has spoken 
>plainly...truthfully.

Jesse Helms riled up a lot of people, too.  So did that Mean Mr.
Mustache Fellow, over there in Germany.
--
V.G.

Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
"I wanted a car I could run down pedestrians with.  But one with a comfy ride, like a sofa on wheels." - Father Haskell

"No doubt about it, 9-11 was orchestrated by Lockheed." - *lexa 'connects the dots' 4/27/04 (cg5t80pl73d7r1s8113tqd19qse0ji0nrq@4ax.com)

"Nope, Lockheed provided the cover for 9-11 due to abuses of it's system.  They're guilty as charged.  But ultimately it was Bechtel who concocted the
9-11 events."  Alexa connects some totally different dots.  8/6/04 (n3p8h0lvp0u3tj0j4vi7gjmo069gb96fhm@4ax.com)

Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.

Some fuckhead typed:

 " ...  tripping over teh power cord.
Guess what, folks! Votes were lost. They had no idea what the status of the
current "voter" was."


Dumbfucks who can't spell and trip over power cords will not be allowed to 
vote ... too fucking stupid to have a say in the country's fututure.
This means that BUSH wins by a land slide !!!

Fucking stooopid demcraps !!!

"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message 
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>
> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9556D1B6F703CPX@alaska.local...
>> "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
>> news:ch354g$959t$1@news3.infoave.net:
>>
>> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns9556C108BC72FPX@alaska.local...
>> >
>> >> "ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in
>> >> news:ch2idj$3i8$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu:
>> >>
>> >> > "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:13zgi8h40055h$.dlg@alaska.local...
>> >> >
>> >> >> Michael Moore is so threatened by those warlike Republicans that he
>> >> >> is hanging out at the GOP convention with a bevy of security 
>> >> >> guards.
>> >> >
>> >> >   Yes, he has recieved many death threats after telling the truth
>> >> >   about Mr. Subliminable.
>> >>
>> >> Michael Moore isn't in the truth business.
>> >>
>> >> >> Editor & Publisher reported that "the biggest commotion at the
>> >> >> Republican National Convention Monday night occurred just before 10
>> >> >> pm with the entrance of anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore, who was
>> >> >> repeatedly halted by security attempting to reach his reserved 
>> >> >> press
>> >> >> seat in section #340 near the side of the stage. Moore is writing a
>> >> >> daily column this week for USA Today."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Moore's timing could not have been better.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Soon after arriving, Sen. John McCain mentioned Moore in his speech
>> >> >> as the "disingenuous filmmaker who would have us believe that
>> >> >> Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After McCain's remarks, the audience booed �V then began chanting,
>> >> >> "Four more years!"
>> >> >
>> >> >   After moore played them all like a violin by saying "two more
>> >> >   months" when the camera hit him.  lol
>> >>
>> >> I guess idiot Michael Moore doesn't know that even if Bush loses the
>> >> election he will still be in office for about 5 months.
>> >
>> > I guess idiot Gactimus is unable to understand that two more months
>> > means how lng Bush has until he is voted out of office.
>>
>> Bush won't be voted out of office.
>
> Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected --- unless he pulls off
> another massive fraud like he did in Florida.
>
> My county is deoming its new electronic voting machines. One demo is a t a
> community college. While I was hanging arund waiting to pick someone up I
> watched the demo. Some hyperactive student didn;t want to wade through the
> crowd and tried to go behind the display, tripping over teh power cord.
> Guess what, folks! Votes were lost. They had no idea what the status of 
> the
> current "voter" was.
>
> Larry
>
> 

"ur_droll" <who.gives@fuck.co> wrote in message
news:MzoZc.20575$N77.849569@news.xtra.co.nz...
>
> "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:yMqdnY7GEpKgmqvcRVn-ig@comcast.com...
> :
> : I support the one I think is the best one that can do the job and who is
> : running. I don't care if that person is a *gutless thieving murdering
> coward*
> : I have voted many times for people in all parties.
>
> That's cause you americans are too religious to know what shame is

and you know what shame is kiwi?

A man asked his doctor if he thought he'd live to be a hundred. The
doctor asked the man, "Do you smoke or drink?"

"No," he replied, "I've never done either."

"Do you gamble, drive fast cars, and fool around with women?" inquired
the doctor.

"No, I've never done any of those things either."

"Well then," said the doctor, "what do you want to live to be a
hundred for?"


>
>

On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:31:04 -0400, "Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net>
wrote in message <ch5427$ad4r$1@news3.infoave.net>:
>"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>> Larry Hewitt wrote:
>> > Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected
>> i have $1000 that says he will. are you willing to take that bet?
>SHow me the money.

what do you want? a jpeg? LOL

>> >--- unless he pulls off another massive fraud like he did in Florida.
>> that's not your way out of the bet.
>Never intended to bet. But I'll call you on it.

naaa, you won't. you'll just pretend that you are.

>> and it's not a way for you to save face either.
>No intention of saving face. Just pointing out anoither repuglicona ttempt
>to steal an election they cannot win.

heh. before it's even happened, you're already accusing them of stealing it.
what a joke you are. LOL

>> the fact that you would mention it now is because you know he is going to
>> win, and you want an out.
>Not at all. Kerry is going to win. Even if the Bushies get caught AGAIN
>trying to steal an election.

sweet dreams, dickhead. Bush is a shoe in.

>> you are a gutless wimp with no money to back up your mouth.
>You are the one mentioning money.

yes.

>> deposit $1000 with a third party escrow and i will do the same. if Bush
>> wins, i get the $2000, if Bush does not win, you get it.
>You started it. Show me the money.
>Loser.
>Larry

bye Larry. good to know that you admit that you are a gutless wimp.

where do you plan to emigrate to when Bush wins another term?

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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:31:04 -0400, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net>
> wrote in message <ch5427$ad4r$1@news3.infoave.net>:
> >"Zoogar, ruler of the Zerg" <zoogar@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> >> Larry Hewitt wrote:
> >> > Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected
> >> i have $1000 that says he will. are you willing to take that bet?
> >SHow me the money.
>
> what do you want? a jpeg? LOL

coming from you it'd be funny money fag boy.

>
> >> >--- unless he pulls off another massive fraud like he did in Florida.
> >> that's not your way out of the bet.
> >Never intended to bet. But I'll call you on it.
>
> naaa, you won't. you'll just pretend that you are.

you're losing it fag boy.

>
> >> and it's not a way for you to save face either.
> >No intention of saving face. Just pointing out anoither repuglicona
ttempt
> >to steal an election they cannot win.
>
> heh. before it's even happened, you're already accusing them of stealing
it.
> what a joke you are. LOL

you steal every day fag boy.

>
> >> the fact that you would mention it now is because you know he is going
to
> >> win, and you want an out.
> >Not at all. Kerry is going to win. Even if the Bushies get caught AGAIN
> >trying to steal an election.
>
> sweet dreams, dickhead. Bush is a shoe in.

still worried that you got busted fag boy?

>
> >> you are a gutless wimp with no money to back up your mouth.
> >You are the one mentioning money.
>
> yes.

and no money you shall never have fag boy.

>
> >> deposit $1000 with a third party escrow and i will do the same. if Bush
> >> wins, i get the $2000, if Bush does not win, you get it.
> >You started it. Show me the money.
> >Loser.
> >Larry
>
> bye Larry. good to know that you admit that you are a gutless wimp.

describing yourself again fag boy?

>
> where do you plan to emigrate to when Bush wins another term?

it won't be to afriCOON land fag boy.

How to Tell You Spend Too Much Time Online

If you did an error-free installation of Windows 95 or 98.

When your modem starts smoking.

If no one can reach you by phone since your computer is always online.

If you log-off your system because it's time to go to work.

If you call in sick because you found a great new WWW site.

If you can type your top 10 favorite Web sites, by heart.

If you can locate a particular home page without using a search engine.

If you can write your own html page.

If you can access more than 20 erotic no-pay sites.

If you download more than 20Mb of from a binary newsgroup, in
one session.

If while driving down the street, you are confused by the
numbers on the houses - they do not appear to be legitimate
WWW addresses.

When someone tells you to remember something, and you look for File/Save.

When you find it easier to dial-up the National Weather Service
Weather/your_town/now.html than to simply look out the window.

When you start using phrases like: Hungry.must-eat.food.now@home

If you have a heart attack when you forgot to pay your phone bill
and receive a "pending disconnection of service" notice.

When you order most of what you buy ... online.

If your fingers quit moving because you've been online for 36 hours.

When you find yourself engaged to someone you've never actually
met; except through e-mail.

When you log-off from a session in your favorite newsgroup...
and your log reads: Online time: 56 hours 24 minutes.

If your net provider suggests you try a competitor, because you're exceeding
300 hours a month connect time.

When you add your third modem and dedicated phone line.

When that 112Gb hard drive is full.

If 333 MHz is simply too slow.

When your desk collapses under the weight of your computer
peripherals.

When you can access the Net - via your portable and cellular phone.

When someone tells you about a great new program and you're
very disappointed to find it's on TV.

If every sentence you utter begins with, "On the Net..."

If you put your e-mail address in the upper left-hand corner of
envelopes.

If you have your e-mail address printed on your stationary.

When you insist on seeing the movie "The Net" -- for the 63rd
time.

If magazines like "InterNetWorld" are of greater interest than
"Playboy" or "Playgirl."

If you maintain more than 6 e-mail addresses.

If you use more than 20 passwords.

If you setup your own Web page.

If you setup a Web page for each of your kids ... and your pets.

If, instead of a phone number, you ask someone for their e-mail
address.

If you don't know anyone who DOESN'T have an e-mail
addresses.

If, to you, 'safe sex' means doing it online.

If you convince your mom that she HAS to get online because
e-mail is so much cheaper than long distance phone charges.

If you can relate to all the above.

If you deny these relate to you.

If you can write a list like this


>
> --
> smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
> Mel the Defiler
> member, ATJ regs
> webmaster of atjfag.com
> http://www.atjfag.com/
>
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"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message news:<ch3ajr$98gk$1@news3.infoave.net>...
> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
> 
> Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected --- unless he pulls off
> another massive fraud like he did in Florida.

Florida began purging the roles in democrat stronghold counties right
after the deadline for registration passed (making sure that these
people will not be able to register in time).

Broward county has a new "Connect the dots" ballot that makes the
"Butterfly" ballot look simple and understandable.  When the democrat
member of the precinct was asked how she could pick such a complicated
ballot, she said, "They would have hated whatever I picked" - she
wasn't even given the option of a standard ballot, identical to those
used in other counties.  Instead, she was given a choice of several
incomprehensible solutions, all designed to confuse the voters, all
"pre screened" by the Republican led selection comittee".

I'm sure we'll be seeing more of these cute tricks in both Florida and
Ohio.

> Larry

Jake M <jamal@funvt.calm> wrote in message news:<4135102B.4724D04A@funvt.calm>...
> Rex Ballard wrote:
> > 
> > <snip a lot>
> >
> > And playing up all the veterans wasn't helping either.  McCain was
> > snubbed as a running mate - twice, Colin Powell isn't even speaking,
> > and George Bush didn't even go to Vietnam.  At least Chaney has some
> > first hand military experience he can talk about. Doesn't he?
> > 
> > Still undecided.
> 
> No, Cheney has less military experience than Bush, that is, none at
> all.  Cheney's the guy who said he "had other priorities" rather than
> answering the draft call and serving his nation in uniform.  Well, who
> didn't have other priorities?
> 
> Cheney may have set some kind of record with five (5) deferments from
> the draft.

Thanks for clearing that up.  I almost bit my tongue off, it was so
far into my cheek.

"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message news:<3Lydnfpj15QSZajcRVn-iw@comcast.com>...
> "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in message 
> news:c7tbj0h8mu15ls7utvarnf9j4us6e3fgpd@4ax.com...
> > On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
> > in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
> > <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
> >
> >>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
> >>bizarre assumptions too.
> >
> > Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
> > make it up.
> 
> That is true.  And one thing I have learned about too many liberals is they 
> love to make it up as they go along.

I thought truth was always the first casualty of politics.  The Greeks
complained about the distortions of truth.  Socrates was forced to
drink hemlock because he told the truth when it wasn't politically
expedient.  My guess is that the priests of Egypt were killing the
truth and spreading lies as they campaigned for Pharo's favor.

I think it's a bit amusing that John Kerry and the democrats are
proudly quoting Ferenheit 9/11 while deriding the swift-boat ads. 
Both are expressions of free speech.  To Moore's credit, he's getting
people to pay to see his political propaganda, the swift-boat veterans
are paying millions for 30 second "easy-to-ignore" spots.

I've seen the swift-boat ads.  What I remember was that about the same
time they were investigating the Mei-Lei Massacre.

The Vietnam war was very stange.  We shot women and children because
the women were shooting at us, and the stuck explosives and booby
traps under the babies strapped to their backs.  The GIs would throw
candy to the kids, and the kids would throw grenades back to the GIs. 
Before declaring an area a free-fire zone, the civilians were notified
that the were about to become a free-fire zone.  They usually had a
few days to leave their homes.  Whatever was still movinhg after that
time, was shot, and added to the body count.  Majors and Kernels were
promoted based on their ability to get high body counts.  In many
cases, soldiers would even shoot the chickens, and add them to the
body count.

There were even times when americans shot each other, because the
Majors wanted to get the town caught in the cross-fire, so they
wouldn't let the platoons know about each other.

Soldiers who were given what they considered were illegal orders, were
allowed to "obey under protest", meaning that when they got back to
base, they could file an official report of the illegal order, which
would trigger an investigation of the officer in command.  But you had
to give notice when you were given the order.  Those who did were
given "the point" for the entire trip home (most never survived long
enough to return home, or decided to withdraw their protest.

The pilots bombing from the air, never saw the bloody details of what
was going on on the ground.  They dropped the bombs where they were
told to bomb.  In some cases, they didn't know until they had dropped
their load, that the target was a dam which, when hit would flood a
town of civilians (the Bombadier was the only one actually given the
pictures of the targets).

The problem was that terrible things were done by both sides.  The
entire war was based on terrorism.  The enemy were terrorists, and the
only way to get at them was to be a terrorist too.  Often, we let the
SVA actually do the dirty work, torturing prisoners, killing civilian
collaborators in gruesome ways, and even mounting the skills of the
dead on polls to warn against cooperating with the NVA.  But then
again, the NVA and the Cong were just as bad.  And many times, the
snipers killing the officers weren't "Charlie", but were "Charlene". 
By the time the soldiers got to where the snipers might be, they'd see
to young women, swimming naked in the local water hole.  One was the
spotter, one was the sniper, but the Americans didn't know this. 
Often, if a woman was caught, she would be raped.  After all, she
probably sniped several of their commanding officers before she was
caught.

That whole war was insane.  It was unwinnable, because we were
percieved as simply taking over where the french left off.  Ho Chi
Minh had been fighting the Japanese while the French Vichey government
was being chummy with Hitler.  When the war was over, Ho had exected
vietnam to be given it's independence for helping the allies.  When
France was allowed to reassert it's colonial rule, Ho went to the
Americans first (Ho had studied at the University of Chicago).  What
Ho didn't know is that Eisenhower had made a deal with DeGaul to gain
the cooperation of his French Underground during the D-Day invasion.

When the Americans refused to help, Ho went to the Soviets.  He
avoided the Chinese, because he considered them an even bigger threat
than the French.  When the French finally left, Ho was hoping to have
a united democratic Vietnam, but Thiu wasn't about to give up his
control.

I think what matters more than what happened 20 years ago, is what has
happened in the last 4 years.  Are you better off than you were 4
years ago?

This is the hard question that neither side wants to ask.

"Rex Ballard" <r.e.ballard@usa.net> wrote in message 
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> "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message 
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>> "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)" <vgorilla@pobox.alaska.net> wrote in 
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>> > On 31 Aug 2004 13:21:08 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
>> > in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
>> > <29d7c061.0408311221.671a40ec@posting.google.com>:
>> >
>> >>Farenheit 9/11 disclosed a number of facts, but it also made a lot of
>> >>bizarre assumptions too.
>> >
>> > Moore has never been afraid of exposing the truth, even if he has to
>> > make it up.
>>
>> That is true.  And one thing I have learned about too many liberals is 
>> they
>> love to make it up as they go along.
>
> I thought truth was always the first casualty of politics.  The Greeks
> complained about the distortions of truth.  Socrates was forced to
> drink hemlock because he told the truth when it wasn't politically
> expedient.  My guess is that the priests of Egypt were killing the
> truth and spreading lies as they campaigned for Pharo's favor.
>
> I think it's a bit amusing that John Kerry and the democrats are
> proudly quoting Ferenheit 9/11 while deriding the swift-boat ads.
> Both are expressions of free speech.  To Moore's credit, he's getting
> people to pay to see his political propaganda, the swift-boat veterans
> are paying millions for 30 second "easy-to-ignore" spots.
>
> I've seen the swift-boat ads.  What I remember was that about the same
> time they were investigating the Mei-Lei Massacre.
>
> The Vietnam war was very stange.  We shot women and children because
> the women were shooting at us, and the stuck explosives and booby
> traps under the babies strapped to their backs.  The GIs would throw
> candy to the kids, and the kids would throw grenades back to the GIs.
> Before declaring an area a free-fire zone, the civilians were notified
> that the were about to become a free-fire zone.  They usually had a
> few days to leave their homes.  Whatever was still movinhg after that
> time, was shot, and added to the body count.  Majors and Kernels were
> promoted based on their ability to get high body counts.  In many
> cases, soldiers would even shoot the chickens, and add them to the
> body count.

Something most of these liberals don't take into account.
I know many Vietnam vets, some of them were right there in the toughest of 
the battles.
Every one of them I have talked too have said the same thing.  You didn't 
know who to trust in Vietnam, you couldn't trust women, children, or 
elderly.  The enemy was using these people for booby traps.  They would send 
young children into facilities that were known to have American soldiers 
visiting in, and they would be booby trapped.  I know one vet who personally 
saw a woman use her own infant and the carrying bag.  She had a bomb placed 
in the case with the infant, and she walked right up to a group of American 
soldiers pretending she was in need of help, and she blew herself and the 
baby up, injuring and killing some of the American soldiers as well.




>
> There were even times when americans shot each other, because the
> Majors wanted to get the town caught in the cross-fire, so they
> wouldn't let the platoons know about each other.
>
> Soldiers who were given what they considered were illegal orders, were
> allowed to "obey under protest", meaning that when they got back to
> base, they could file an official report of the illegal order, which
> would trigger an investigation of the officer in command.  But you had
> to give notice when you were given the order.  Those who did were
> given "the point" for the entire trip home (most never survived long
> enough to return home, or decided to withdraw their protest.
>
> The pilots bombing from the air, never saw the bloody details of what
> was going on on the ground.  They dropped the bombs where they were
> told to bomb.  In some cases, they didn't know until they had dropped
> their load, that the target was a dam which, when hit would flood a
> town of civilians (the Bombadier was the only one actually given the
> pictures of the targets).
>
> The problem was that terrible things were done by both sides.

Agreed, it was an ugly..ugly war. Then again, no war is pretty.

 The
> entire war was based on terrorism.  The enemy were terrorists, and the
> only way to get at them was to be a terrorist too.  Often, we let the
> SVA actually do the dirty work, torturing prisoners, killing civilian
> collaborators in gruesome ways, and even mounting the skills of the
> dead on polls to warn against cooperating with the NVA.  But then
> again, the NVA and the Cong were just as bad.  And many times, the
> snipers killing the officers weren't "Charlie", but were "Charlene".
> By the time the soldiers got to where the snipers might be, they'd see
> to young women, swimming naked in the local water hole.  One was the
> spotter, one was the sniper, but the Americans didn't know this.
> Often, if a woman was caught, she would be raped.  After all, she
> probably sniped several of their commanding officers before she was
> caught.
>
> That whole war was insane.  It was unwinnable, because we were
> percieved as simply taking over where the french left off.  Ho Chi
> Minh had been fighting the Japanese while the French Vichey government
> was being chummy with Hitler.  When the war was over, Ho had exected
> vietnam to be given it's independence for helping the allies.  When
> France was allowed to reassert it's colonial rule, Ho went to the
> Americans first (Ho had studied at the University of Chicago).  What
> Ho didn't know is that Eisenhower had made a deal with DeGaul to gain
> the cooperation of his French Underground during the D-Day invasion.
>
> When the Americans refused to help, Ho went to the Soviets.  He
> avoided the Chinese, because he considered them an even bigger threat
> than the French.  When the French finally left, Ho was hoping to have
> a united democratic Vietnam, but Thiu wasn't about to give up his
> control.
>
> I think what matters more than what happened 20 years ago, is what has
> happened in the last 4 years.  Are you better off than you were 4
> years ago?

Personally speaking for myself...Hell yea, I know I am.
I know some people who are no better or worse. I have not met anyone yet 
that is worse off.


>
> This is the hard question that neither side wants to ask. 

On 2 Sep 2004 11:44:06 -0700, r.e.ballard@usa.net (Rex Ballard) wrote
in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
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>"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in message news:<ch3ajr$98gk$1@news3.infoave.net>...
>> "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
>> 
>> Bush doesn't stand a chance of being re=elected --- unless he pulls off
>> another massive fraud like he did in Florida.
>
>Florida began purging the roles in democrat stronghold counties right
>after the deadline for registration passed (making sure that these
>people will not be able to register in time).
>
>Broward county has a new "Connect the dots" ballot that makes the
>"Butterfly" ballot look simple and understandable.  When the democrat
>member of the precinct was asked how she could pick such a complicated
>ballot, she said, "They would have hated whatever I picked" - she
>wasn't even given the option of a standard ballot, identical to those
>used in other counties.  Instead, she was given a choice of several
>incomprehensible solutions, all designed to confuse the voters, all
>"pre screened" by the Republican led selection comittee".
>
>I'm sure we'll be seeing more of these cute tricks in both Florida and
>Ohio.
>
>> Larry

They know all the people who would vote for Democrats are too stupid
to figure the ballot out.  It's a brilliant plan, actually.
--
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"Nope, Lockheed provided the cover for 9-11 due to abuses of it's system.  They're guilty as charged.  But ultimately it was Bechtel who concocted the
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