One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs 
applications.

I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like 
"gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not 
installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command 
line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't 
installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to 
install it, automagically via the Internet.

If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen 
it yet 

tp@gronk5:~$ gqview

The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by 
typing:

sudo apt-get install gqview


-- 
This machine running Gnu/Linux Ubuntu 9.10 and posting via Pan.
Get your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/

Terry Porter wrote:

> 
> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
> applications.
> 
> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
> install it, automagically via the Internet.
> 
> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
> it yet
> 
> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
> 
> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
> typing:
> 
> sudo apt-get install gqview
> 
> 
> --
> This machine running Gnu/Linux Ubuntu 9.10 and posting via Pan.
> Get your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/

Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so 1970's
and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an uninstalled
application in the start menu and it automatically installs when it can't
even automatically install a printer or scanner without needing the CD.

Nigel Feltham wrote:
> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>> applications.
>>
>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
>> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
>> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
>> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
>> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
>> install it, automagically via the Internet.
>>
>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
>> it yet
>>
>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>>
>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>> typing:
>>
>> sudo apt-get install gqview
>>
>>
>> --
>> This machine running Gnu/Linux Ubuntu 9.10 and posting via Pan.
>> Get your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/
> 
> Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so 1970's
> and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an uninstalled
> application in the start menu and it automatically installs when it can't
> even automatically install a printer or scanner without needing the CD.


Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
they of course can be installed from the GUI too.
Both ways are fast and simple...

I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.

philo wrote:
> Nigel Feltham wrote:
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>>> applications.
>>>
>>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
>>> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
>>> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
>>> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
>>> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
>>> install it, automagically via the Internet.
>>>
>>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
>>> it yet
>>>
>>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>>>
>>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>>> typing:
>>>
>>> sudo apt-get install gqview
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> This machine running Gnu/Linux Ubuntu 9.10 and posting via Pan.
>>> Get your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so 
>> 1970's
>> and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an 
>> uninstalled
>> application in the start menu and it automatically installs when it can't
>> even automatically install a printer or scanner without needing the CD.
> 
> 
> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
> they of course can be installed from the GUI too.
> Both ways are fast and simple...
> 
> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.

It's relatively simple in windows too. What's annoying though is all the 
toolbar-this and nagware-that shit that gets installed as well. HP 
printer drivers in particular are a fucking bloated joke.

philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:

> Nigel Feltham wrote:
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>> 
>>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>>> applications.
>>>
>>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
>>> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
>>> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
>>> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
>>> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
>>> install it, automagically via the Internet.
>>>
>>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
>>> it yet
>>>
>>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>>>
>>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>>> typing:
>>>
>>> sudo apt-get install gqview
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> This machine running Gnu/Linux Ubuntu 9.10 and posting via Pan.
>>> Get your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/
>> 
>> Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so 1970's
>> and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an uninstalled
>> application in the start menu and it automatically installs when it can't
>> even automatically install a printer or scanner without needing the CD.
>
> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
> they of course can be installed from the GUI too.
> Both ways are fast and simple...
>
> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.

Of course they are. However one involves clicking a button and one
involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
beginner will prefer.

The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his search
results in a scrollable result list on the desktop than directing the
output of apt-cache search or something into a file or through less/more
then they are more insane than even I thought.

Terry Porter wrote:

>If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen 
>it yet 
>
>tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>
>The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by 
>typing:
>
>sudo apt-get install gqview

"Far easier than talking them through a GUI?
WTF???????????????????????????"  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron
Quark, apparently unable to comprehend that, in some cases, a CLI *is*
easier or more efficient than a GUI.

Terry Porter wrote:
> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
> applications.

The package manager and repositories are a great thing. Makes installing 
most software very easy, even for new users. This is something that Windows 
users don't have.

Installing packages from the Internet, if for the right distro, is also very 
easy. One example is installing VirtualBox non free version. Selecting the 
right package to click is the more difficult aspect of the operation. This 
may be a minor bump in the road for very new users.

Installing software, Windows style, is also simple (e.g. Google Earth, 
VirtualBox, Quake Wars, Doom III). One difficulty that new users come across 
is the need to give execution permission to the install executable (good for 
security).

Installing tar balls in GNU/Linux is equivalent to installing zip/rar in 
Windows, and just as easy/difficult.

Installing packages from other distributions can be either very simple or 
very problematic. For example, Skype has no RPM for Mandriva but either the 
Fedora or the SUSE RPMs work fine. The static and dynamic compiled Skype tar 
balls also work. Installing DEB packages in RPM systems, or vice-versa, 
requires conversion of the package (see alien app) and even then some other 
problems may be a show stopper.

Building and installing source code tar balls is an operation for more 
advanced user. If all dependencies are installed and the default 
configuration is acceptable then it is as simple as "./configure ; make all 
install". I would say that this operation is more difficult in a Windows 
environment because a full build environment is easily available and 
installable in GNU/Linux.

From personal experience, the vast majority of software installed on the 
systems I manage is in the repositories and thus easily installable. A newly 
installed system can have a set of applications installed with just a few 
clicks. Even installing in multiple systems can be accomplished with a few 
CLI commands.

By the way, installing Windows software on Wine, on GNU/Linux is easy. 
Install Wine, download the Windows install executable, double click the 
executable, and follow the dialogs. Wine provides a good level of 
compatibility for a large number of Windows software. It is not perfect

> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
> install it, automagically via the Internet.
> 
> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
> it yet
> 
> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
> 
> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
> typing:
> 
> sudo apt-get install gqview

That is a nice Ubuntu feature.

Regards.

Hadron wrote:

> philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:
> 
>> Nigel Feltham wrote:
>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>> 
>>>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something
>>>> like
>>>> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
>>>> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
>>>> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
>>>> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
>>>> install it, automagically via the Internet.
>>>>
>>>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't
>>>> seen it yet
>>>>
>>>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>>>>
>>>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>>>> typing:
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get install gqview
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This machine running Gnu/Linux Ubuntu 9.10 and posting via Pan.
>>>> Get your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>> 
>>> Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so
>>> 1970's and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an
>>> uninstalled application in the start menu and it automatically installs
>>> when it can't even automatically install a printer or scanner without
>>> needing the CD.
>>
>> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
>> they of course can be installed from the GUI too.
>> Both ways are fast and simple...
>>
>> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.
> 
> Of course they are. However one involves clicking a button and one
> involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
> beginner will prefer.

What's easier if you know the name of the tool or application you want to
install, typing it's name into the commandline and getting told the command
to install it or having to google for the site that has the application
then having to find the download link on the correct site then having to
find where you downloaded it to run the installer.

> 
> The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his search
> results in a scrollable result list on the desktop than directing the
> output of apt-cache search or something into a file or through less/more
> then they are more insane than even I thought.

In that case the beginners will love the Linux GUI package tools - search
for an application by type, function or name and have a list of suitable
apps displayed where a few clicks will install the required app without
needing to search the web for your app or drive to the store.

Don't forget that Linux caters for both the expert who knows what they want
to run and will often use the commandline for speed and the beginner who
wants a simple list of things they can install - windows only has one way
to do everything and it's often not the best for either type of user.


Don't forget though that the commandline makes things a lot easier at times
- especially when for often repeated things that can be easily scripted,
one example being where I work where we have up to 15 caching webserver
units on test at a time that need to be regularly updated (so when a
customer wants one the one they get has latest content) and the normal way
to do that is open their config webpage then browse to and click an update
button. It takes ages to do that on all 15 units - it's now scripted using
wget on our department linux server to send the button click to all 15
units and added as a cron job so we don't even need to remember to run the
script. That's several hours a week saved using commandline instead of GUI.

chrisv wrote:

> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
>>If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
>>it yet
>>
>>tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>>
>>The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>>typing:
>>
>>sudo apt-get install gqview
> 
> "Far easier than talking them through a GUI?
> WTF???????????????????????????"  -  "True Linux advocate" Hadron
> Quark, apparently unable to comprehend that, in some cases, a CLI *is*
> easier or more efficient than a GUI.

and don't forget that running apps from a commandline doesn't work properly
on Windows due to every app living in a different directory so will only
work for apps added to PATH variable (so normally only works for MS apps
living in WINDOWS directory) - how backwards is that.

Then there's the lack of tab autocomplete on windows commandline so even
when app is in the path you need to remember the whole command name and not
just the first 2 or 3 characters.

That's the reason many windows users prefer click & drool - because their
commandline is severely broken.

Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:

> Then there's the lack of tab autocomplete on windows commandline so even
> when app is in the path you need to remember the whole command name and not
> just the first 2 or 3 characters.

Windows does have tab autocomplete, but it only works on names.

Unlike readline, it cannot figure out context, and thus expand executable
names bereft of their path.

> That's the reason many windows users prefer click & drool - because their
> commandline is severely broken.

Even now, it is pretty klunky.

-- 
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		-- Mark Twain

Phil Da Lick! stated in post
UMidnQrZOeKCN5_WnZ2dnUVZ8qxi4p2d@brightview.co.uk on 11/17/09 6:50 AM:

>> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
>> they of course can be installed from the GUI too.
>> Both ways are fast and simple...
>> 
>> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.
> 
> It's relatively simple in windows too. What's annoying though is all the
> toolbar-this and nagware-that shit that gets installed as well. HP
> printer drivers in particular are a fucking bloated joke.

HP makes great printers... but, yes, their drivers are an embarrassment.
Why don't they actually focus on making decent ones?


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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:39:55 -0600, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
 =

wrote:

> HP makes great printers... but, yes, their drivers are an embarrassmen=
t.
> Why don't they actually focus on making decent ones?

I'm using HPLIP which works great with my multifunction HP printer (on  =

Linux).


-- =

> <(((=C2=B0> ceed

HARDFAIL("Not enough magic.")

On Nov 17, 10:16=A0am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>
> > Then there's the lack of tab autocomplete on windows commandline so eve=
n
> > when app is in the path you need to remember the whole command name and=
 not
> > just the first 2 or 3 characters.
>
> Windows does have tab autocomplete, but it only works on names.
>

PowerShell does auto-complete of command-let parameters.  It can't do
that with standard exe's of course, since they don't expose a means of
discovery as command-lets do.

> Unlike readline, it cannot figure out context, and thus expand executable
> names bereft of their path.
>

Not sure if I understand that?  You can run an exe with no path, as
long as it is in the search path.  You can add a directory to the
search path by appending to the Path environment variable.

> > That's the reason many windows users prefer click & drool - because the=
ir
> > commandline is severely broken.
>
> Even now, it is pretty klunky.

True - but it is getting better.

--
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On 2009-11-17, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> Phil Da Lick! stated in post
> UMidnQrZOeKCN5_WnZ2dnUVZ8qxi4p2d@brightview.co.uk on 11/17/09 6:50 AM:
>
>>> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
>>> they of course can be installed from the GUI too.
>>> Both ways are fast and simple...
>>> 
>>> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.
>> 
>> It's relatively simple in windows too. What's annoying though is all the
>> toolbar-this and nagware-that shit that gets installed as well. HP
>> printer drivers in particular are a fucking bloated joke.
>
> HP makes great printers... but, yes, their drivers are an embarrassment.
> Why don't they actually focus on making decent ones?

You guys really should distinguish between the driver itself and all
the crap the setup program wants to dump on your PC. If you let the
driver installation wizard in Windows look for the driver on the CD,
you don't have to endure all this crap on your PC.

When I still was on Windows 2000 at home, I never ever ran a setup.exe
program from a so-called driver CD.

-- 
Don't read any sky-writing for the next two weeks.

In article <hdulc4$tp5$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:

> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
> > Then there's the lack of tab autocomplete on windows commandline so even
> > when app is in the path you need to remember the whole command name and not
> > just the first 2 or 3 characters.
> 
> Windows does have tab autocomplete, but it only works on names.
> 
> Unlike readline, it cannot figure out context, and thus expand executable
> names bereft of their path.

The best assistance for typing command line program invocations I've 
seen was on A/UX. Suppose you wanted to run, say, gcc, and didn't quite 
remember the flags and options. You'd just type "gcc..." (where the 
"..." is not 3 separate dots, but rather an ellipsis) and hit enter.

That would bring up a dialog for constructing a gcc command line. It had 
tabs for the various categories of options (debugging, optimization, 
etc), check boxes and radio buttons for flags, and so on. It was almost 
like an interactive man page.

This supported pretty much all of the normal commands that came with the 
system, and it was not hard to add support for new commands.

-- 
--Tim Smith

Tim Smith wrote:
> The best assistance for typing command line program invocations I've
> seen was on A/UX. Suppose you wanted to run, say, gcc, and didn't quite
> remember the flags and options. You'd just type "gcc..." (where the
> "..." is not 3 separate dots, but rather an ellipsis) and hit enter.
> 
> That would bring up a dialog for constructing a gcc command line. It had
> tabs for the various categories of options (debugging, optimization,
> etc), check boxes and radio buttons for flags, and so on. It was almost
> like an interactive man page.
> 
> This supported pretty much all of the normal commands that came with the
> system, and it was not hard to add support for new commands.

Assuming a program accepts the "--help" options (or similar) it should not 
be too hard to create a script to add similar functionality to bash using 
its completion functionality. I don't know if ncurses can be used from 
within the completion script but if it can then even a nice text interface 
may be created.

Regards.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:57:08 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:
> 
>> Nigel Feltham wrote:
>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>> 
>>>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something
>>>> like "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is
>>>> not installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my
>>>> command line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program
>>>> isn't installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me
>>>> how to install it, automagically via the Internet.
>>>>
>>>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't
>>>> seen it yet
>>>>
>>>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>>>>
>>>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it
>>>> by typing:
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get install gqview
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This machine running Gnu/Linux Ubuntu 9.10 and posting via Pan. Get
>>>> your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>> 
>>> Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so
>>> 1970's and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an
>>> uninstalled application in the start menu and it automatically
>>> installs when it can't even automatically install a printer or scanner
>>> without needing the CD.
>>
>> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
>> they of course can be installed from the GUI too. Both ways are fast
>> and simple...
>>
>> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.
> 
> Of course they are. However one involves clicking a button and one
> involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
> beginner will prefer.

There is another advanced technique which could be used. I'm sure you've 
never heard of it before, but it's described as 'copy and paste'.

> 
> The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his search
> results in a scrollable result list on the desktop than directing the
> output of apt-cache search or something into a file or through less/more
> then they are more insane than even I thought.

TomB stated in post 20091117190353.870@usenet.drumscum.be on 11/17/09 11:08
AM:

> On 2009-11-17, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Phil Da Lick! stated in post
>> UMidnQrZOeKCN5_WnZ2dnUVZ8qxi4p2d@brightview.co.uk on 11/17/09 6:50 AM:
>> 
>>>> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
>>>> they of course can be installed from the GUI too.
>>>> Both ways are fast and simple...
>>>> 
>>>> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.
>>> 
>>> It's relatively simple in windows too. What's annoying though is all the
>>> toolbar-this and nagware-that shit that gets installed as well. HP
>>> printer drivers in particular are a fucking bloated joke.
>> 
>> HP makes great printers... but, yes, their drivers are an embarrassment.
>> Why don't they actually focus on making decent ones?
> 
> You guys really should distinguish between the driver itself and all
> the crap the setup program wants to dump on your PC. If you let the
> driver installation wizard in Windows look for the driver on the CD,
> you don't have to endure all this crap on your PC.
> 
> When I still was on Windows 2000 at home, I never ever ran a setup.exe
> program from a so-called driver CD.

I was in reference to the drivers themselves... or at least the UI controls
that tie into the drivers.


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Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Nov 17, 10:16?am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>> Windows does have tab autocomplete, but it only works on names.
>
> PowerShell does auto-complete of command-let parameters.  It can't do
> that with standard exe's of course, since they don't expose a means of
> discovery as command-lets do.

Readline's method of discovery is probably a search of $PATH.

>> Unlike readline, it cannot figure out context, and thus expand executable
>> names bereft of their path.
>
> Not sure if I understand that?  You can run an exe with no path, as
> long as it is in the search path.  You can add a directory to the
> search path by appending to the Path environment variable.

I should have clarified that I was talking about the basic DOS shell, not
PowerShell.

>> Even now, it is pretty klunky.
>
> True - but it is getting better.

That's always good.

-- 
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the Marseillaise only have a vague theoretical idea of its use, which they
have obtained from books of travel.
		-- Mark Twain

ray pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:57:08 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Of course they are. However one involves clicking a button and one
>> involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
>> beginner will prefer.
>
> There is another advanced technique which could be used. I'm sure you've 
> never heard of it before, but it's described as 'copy and paste'.
>
>> The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his search
>> results in a scrollable result list on the desktop than directing the
>> output of apt-cache search or something into a file or through less/more
>> then they are more insane than even I thought.

YASM (Yet Another Straw Man) from Queeg and his straw-filled head.

-- 
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A:	Chewing gum.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:19:40 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> ray pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:57:08 +0100, Hadron wrote:

???

Weren't the trolls having a COLA boycott starting on the 15th ?

What's hadrongo doing reading and posting here?

>>
>>> Of course they are. However one involves clicking a button and one
>>> involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
>>> beginner will prefer.
>>
>> There is another advanced technique which could be used. I'm sure
>> you've never heard of it before, but it's described as 'copy and
>> paste'.

Nope, I dont't think hadrongo knows about that either.

>>
>>> The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his
>>> search results in a scrollable result list on the desktop 

Hadrongo is such a windows tool.

We all know that the average windows user has only a few applications, so 
a nice click and grunt menu works fine.

What happens when the menu contains 500 programs ?

>>> than
>>> directing the output of apt-cache search or something into a file or
>>> through less/more then they are more insane than even I thought.

Here is a new user example :-

New User: " I need a genealogy program, does Linux have one ?"
AOLU guru in response to new users inquiry: "Use Gramps"

New User$ gramps

The program 'gramps' is currently not installed.  You can install it by 
typing:

sudo apt-get install gramps


> 
> YASM (Yet Another Straw Man) from Queeg and his straw-filled head.

Absolutely.





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On Nov 17, 1:17=A0pm, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>
> > On Nov 17, 10:16?am, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
> >> Windows does have tab autocomplete, but it only works on names.
>
> > PowerShell does auto-complete of command-let parameters. =A0It can't do
> > that with standard exe's of course, since they don't expose a means of
> > discovery as command-lets do.
>
> Readline's method of discovery is probably a search of $PATH.
>
> >> Unlike readline, it cannot figure out context, and thus expand executa=
ble
> >> names bereft of their path.
>
> > Not sure if I understand that? =A0You can run an exe with no path, as
> > long as it is in the search path. =A0You can add a directory to the
> > search path by appending to the Path environment variable.
>
> I should have clarified that I was talking about the basic DOS shell, not
> PowerShell.
>

PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.

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Terry Porter pulled this Usenet boner:

> Weren't the trolls having a COLA boycott starting on the 15th ?
>
> What's hadrongo doing reading and posting here?

Well, he says he 'can' do the "boycott", but doesn't 'want' to.

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Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:

> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.

Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
information.

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On 2009-11-17, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> claimed:
> Terry Porter pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> Weren't the trolls having a COLA boycott starting on the 15th ?
>>
>> What's hadrongo doing reading and posting here?
>
> Well, he says he 'can' do the "boycott", but doesn't 'want' to.

Yeah. I said I could stop smoking any time for about 20 years. But I
didn't "want" to.

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
> 
> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
> information.

Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux systems
work with how things were in Slackware 1.0

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:57:08 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> philo <philo@privacy.net> writes:
> 
>> Nigel Feltham wrote:
>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>> 
>>>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something
>>>> like "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is
>>>> not installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my
>>>> command line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program
>>>> isn't installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me
>>>> how to install it, automagically via the Internet.
>>>>
>>>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't
>>>> seen it yet
>>>>
>>>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>>>>
>>>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it
>>>> by typing:
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get install gqview
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> your Free copy NOW!  http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>> 
>>> Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so
>>> 1970's and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an
>>> uninstalled application in the start menu and it automatically
>>> installs when it can't even automatically install a printer or scanner
>>> without needing the CD.
>>
>> Though installing apps from the command line is extremely simple...
>> they of course can be installed from the GUI too. Both ways are fast
>> and simple...
>>
>> I've never had a problem adding or removing an app.
> 
> Of course they are. However one involves clicking a button and one
> involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
> beginner will prefer.
> 
> The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his search
> results in a scrollable result list on the desktop than directing the
> output of apt-cache search or something into a file or through less/more
> then they are more insane than even I thought.

Synaptic.



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Terry Porter wrote:

> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
> applications.
> 
> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
> install it, automagically via the Internet.
> 
> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
> it yet
> 
> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
> 
> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
> typing:
> 
> sudo apt-get install gqview

I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think that
the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster getting
what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome and annoying
to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can give you super
results each time.  

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:47:40 -0500, wispygalaxy wrote:

> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>> applications.
>> 
>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something
>> like "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
>> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
>> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
>> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
>> install it, automagically via the Internet.
>> 
>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't
>> seen it yet
>> 
>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>> 
>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>> typing:
>> 
>> sudo apt-get install gqview
> 
> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
> that the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
> give you super results each time.

They *let* Women use the CLI now ???????

Gees, first the vote, now the CLI, soon Women will have *all* the 
power!!!!



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Terry Porter wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:47:40 -0500, wispygalaxy wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>> that the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
>> give you super results each time.
> 
> They *let* Women use the CLI now ???????
> 
> Gees, first the vote, now the CLI, soon Women will have *all* the
> power!!!!

Haha, well people say that I have a way with words.  (I did well in English
class and vocabulary.)  As a result, text doesn't scare me.  ;)

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> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>> applications.
>> 
>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
>> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
>> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
>> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
>> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
>> install it, automagically via the Internet.
>> 
>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
>> it yet
>> 
>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>> 
>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>> typing:
>> 
>> sudo apt-get install gqview
> 
> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think that
> the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster getting
> what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome and annoying
> to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can give you super
> results each time.

The CLI also contains more information in case something goes wrong.

It's sometimes easier to tell someone a command to run than to give a long description
of buttons, clicks, prompts etc. that are not universal and are hard to remember/visualise.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:29:26 -0500, wispygalaxy wrote:

> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:47:40 -0500, wispygalaxy wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>>> that the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
>>> give you super results each time.
>> 
>> They *let* Women use the CLI now ???????
>> 
>> Gees, first the vote, now the CLI, soon Women will have *all* the
>> power!!!!
> 
> Haha, well people say that I have a way with words.  (I did well in
> English class and vocabulary.)  As a result, text doesn't scare me.  ;)

You have a great future wispygalaxy, I'm certain.

Just your open minded attitude about Linux is enough for me to see it.

I have a beautiful daughter myself, she could read 25 words at age 3, was 
Dux of her class every year in primary school, always got straight A's in 
high school.

She's an Architect now, an Akido black belt, 5'11", fit, pretty and 
blonde.

She has exactly the same kind of attitude you do, and around here on 
COLA, it's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the endless troll 
infestations.


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Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, wispygalaxy was heard to
say:

> Terry Porter wrote:
>
>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>> applications.
>> 
>> I use the CLI (from within X Windows) a lot and if I type something like
>> "gqview" to view  some pictures in a directory, but gqview is not
>> installed on my system, Ubuntu inserts the following into my command
>> line. What's so cool is that Ubuntu has found the program isn't
>> installed, then checked to see if it's available, and told me how to
>> install it, automagically via the Internet.
>> 
>> If it gets any easier than this, on ANY operating system, I haven't seen
>> it yet
>> 
>> tp@gronk5:~$ gqview
>> 
>> The program 'gqview' is currently not installed.  You can install it by
>> typing:
>> 
>> sudo apt-get install gqview
>
> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think that
> the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster getting
> what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome and annoying
> to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can give you super
> results each time.  

Excellent, well done. :-)

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Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>> 
>>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>> 
>> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
>> information.
>
> Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux systems
> work with how things were in Slackware 1.0

Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the time,
and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is kicking my ass.

 :-)

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Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
say:

> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>>> 
>>>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>>>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>> 
>>> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
>>> information.
>>
>> Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux systems
>> work with how things were in Slackware 1.0
>
> Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the time,
> and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is kicking my ass.
>
>  :-)

And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia drivers
using a set version of the compiler, for example, when changing kernels"!
;-)


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"William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu-karmic.org> wrote in message 
news:185dt6-hd6.ln1@karmickubuntu.64bit.org...
> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
> say:
>
>> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>>>>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>>>
>>>> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
>>>> information.
>>>
>>> Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux 
>>> systems
>>> work with how things were in Slackware 1.0
>>
>> Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the time,
>> and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is kicking my ass.
>>
>>  :-)
>

> And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia drivers
> using a set version of the compiler, for example, when changing kernels"!
> ;-)


so both NVIDIA and Linux sites are wrong, and you're right? doubtful.


http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.22/README/chapter-08.html
"Q: I just upgraded my kernel, and now the NVIDIA kernel module will not 
load.

A: The kernel interface layer of the NVIDIA kernel module must be compiled 
specifically for the configuration and version of your kernel. If you 
upgrade your kernel, then the simplest solution is to reinstall the 
driver."



http://www.pendrivelinux.com/upgrading-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
"One of the drawbacks to installing NVIDIA Proprietary drivers in Linux is 
that when the kernel is updated, you have to reinstall (recompile) the 
software to match the new kernel."

One Shot. One Kill. wrote:

> 
> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu-karmic.org> wrote in message
> news:185dt6-hd6.ln1@karmickubuntu.64bit.org...
>> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
>> say:
>>
>>> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>>>>>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
>>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux
>>>> systems
>>>> work with how things were in Slackware 1.0
>>>
>>> Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the time,
>>> and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is kicking my ass.
>>>
>>>  :-)
>>
> 
>> And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia
>> drivers using a set version of the compiler, for example, when changing
>> kernels"! ;-)
> 
> 
> so both NVIDIA and Linux sites are wrong, and you're right? doubtful.
> 
> 
> http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-
x86/180.22/README/chapter-08.html
> "Q: I just upgraded my kernel, and now the NVIDIA kernel module will not
> load.
> 
> A: The kernel interface layer of the NVIDIA kernel module must be
> compiled specifically for the configuration and version of your kernel.
> If you upgrade your kernel, then the simplest solution is to reinstall
> the driver."
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/upgrading-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
> "One of the drawbacks to installing NVIDIA Proprietary drivers in Linux
> is that when the kernel is updated, you have to reinstall (recompile)
> the software to match the new kernel."

Which have exactly nothing to do with Hadron Snot Quarks idiotic claim.
Did you notice that "using a set version of the compiler" just for 
example, flatfish?

That so extremely "specific" compiler version ist a standard component of 
every linux distro. Hadron Snot Quark is, as usual, full of it


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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>Terry Porter pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> Weren't the trolls having a COLA boycott starting on the 15th ?
>>
>> What's hadrongo doing reading and posting here?
>
>Well, he says he 'can' do the "boycott", but doesn't 'want' to.

Just like he claims he "can" back-up his lies/cliams, but doesn't
"want" to.

Tom Shelton wrote:

>PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.

Which proves false the old Wintroll "Linux is bad because sometimes
the command line is needed" bullshit.

But do they admit error and apologize?  Ha!

One Shot. One Kill. wrote:
> William Poaster wrote...
>> Chris Ahlstrom was heard:
>> 
>>> Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the
>>> time, and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is
>>> kicking my ass. :-)
>> 
>> And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia
>> drivers using a set version of the compiler, for example, when
>> changing kernels"! ;-)
> 
> so both NVIDIA and Linux sites are wrong, and you're right? doubtful.
> 
> http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.22/README/chapter-08.html
> "Q: I just upgraded my kernel, and now the NVIDIA kernel module will
> not load.
> 
> A: The kernel interface layer of the NVIDIA kernel module must be
> compiled specifically for the configuration and version of your
> kernel. If you upgrade your kernel, then the simplest solution is to
> reinstall the driver."

No joke, Sherlock.  So when upgrading any OS, say Windows 98 to XP, one
is faced with reinstalling a suitable driver made for the OS.

> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/upgrading-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
> "One of the drawbacks to installing NVIDIA Proprietary drivers in
> Linux is that when the kernel is updated, you have to reinstall
> (recompile) the software to match the new kernel."

Website is regarding USB pendrive installations, where compactness is
important.

Rather interesting that our little AIOE troll user could not wait for a
month.

Yup, it appears our trolls have broken their promise of silence for a
month, IMHO.  Lemme' guess, next we'll have an avalanche of posts where
they cave in, finally admit they couldn't comply.  It would not surprise
me, as they all are prolific compulsive liars.

Just to push their erroneous point that "Linux sux".

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On 2009-11-18, High Plains Thumper <highplainsthumper@invalid.invalid> claimed:

> Yup, it appears our trolls have broken their promise of silence for a
> month, IMHO.  Lemme' guess, next we'll have an avalanche of posts where
> they cave in, finally admit they couldn't comply.  It would not surprise
> me, as they all are prolific compulsive liars.

Don't be surprised when they all start trolling regularly again in a
couple of days and deny openly, at the same time, that they're doing
it. And state the only reason they're around to tell us they aren't
around is because we keep lying by saying they're around. Later on
Queef will start claiming some silly nonsense about how s/h/it was
never here and everybody who saw posts by s/h/it are liars.

Meantime nym-a-day Flatso never stops. Not even for sleep.

> Just to push their erroneous point that "Linux sux".

Proving even they don't believe it.

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Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Peter K�hlmann was heard to
say:

> One Shot. One Kill. wrote:
>
>> 
>> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu-karmic.org> wrote in message
>> news:185dt6-hd6.ln1@karmickubuntu.64bit.org...
>>> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
>>> say:
>>>
>>>> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>>>>>>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
>>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux
>>>>> systems
>>>>> work with how things were in Slackware 1.0
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the time,
>>>> and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is kicking my ass.
>>>>
>>>>  :-)
>>>
>>> And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia
>>> drivers using a set version of the compiler, for example, when changing
>>> kernels"! ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> so both NVIDIA and Linux sites are wrong, and you're right? doubtful.
>> 
>> 
>> http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-
> x86/180.22/README/chapter-08.html
>> "Q: I just upgraded my kernel, and now the NVIDIA kernel module will not
>> load.
>> 
>> A: The kernel interface layer of the NVIDIA kernel module must be
>> compiled specifically for the configuration and version of your kernel.
>> If you upgrade your kernel, then the simplest solution is to reinstall
>> the driver."
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/upgrading-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
>> "One of the drawbacks to installing NVIDIA Proprietary drivers in Linux
>> is that when the kernel is updated, you have to reinstall (recompile)
>> the software to match the new kernel."
>
> Which have exactly nothing to do with Hadron Snot Quarks idiotic claim.
> Did you notice that "using a set version of the compiler" just for 
> example, flatfish?
>
> That so extremely "specific" compiler version ist a standard component of 
> every linux distro. Hadron Snot Quark is, as usual, full of it

Of course the troll's full of it. As is the "One Shot" dork who's missed
the barn door by a mile, never mind a 'kill'.

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____/ Terry Porter on Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 09:37 : \____

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:29:26 -0500, wispygalaxy wrote:
> 
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:47:40 -0500, wispygalaxy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>>>> that the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>>>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>>>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
>>>> give you super results each time.
>>> 
>>> They *let* Women use the CLI now ???????
>>> 
>>> Gees, first the vote, now the CLI, soon Women will have *all* the
>>> power!!!!
>> 
>> Haha, well people say that I have a way with words.  (I did well in
>> English class and vocabulary.)  As a result, text doesn't scare me.  ;)
> 
> You have a great future wispygalaxy, I'm certain.
> 
> Just your open minded attitude about Linux is enough for me to see it.
> 
> I have a beautiful daughter myself, she could read 25 words at age 3, was
> Dux of her class every year in primary school, always got straight A's in
> high school.
> 
> She's an Architect now, an Akido black belt, 5'11", fit, pretty and
> blonde.
> 
> She has exactly the same kind of attitude you do, and around here on
> COLA, it's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the endless troll
> infestations.

wispygalaxy said the folks from IBM was hunting her.

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>
> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu-karmic.org> wrote in message 
> news:185dt6-hd6.ln1@karmickubuntu.64bit.org...
>
>> And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia drivers
>> using a set version of the compiler, for example, when changing kernels"!
>> ;-)
>
> so both NVIDIA and Linux sites are wrong, and you're right? doubtful.
>
> http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.22/README/chapter-08.html
> "Q: I just upgraded my kernel, and now the NVIDIA kernel module will not 
> load.
>
> A: The kernel interface layer of the NVIDIA kernel module must be compiled 
> specifically for the configuration and version of your kernel. If you 
> upgrade your kernel, then the simplest solution is to reinstall the 
> driver."

We have:

>> you have to "recompile the latest NVidia drivers

Versus:

> A: The kernel interface layer of the NVIDIA kernel module must be compiled 

> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/upgrading-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
> "One of the drawbacks to installing NVIDIA Proprietary drivers in Linux is 
> that when the kernel is updated, you have to reinstall (recompile) the 
> software to match the new kernel."

In any case, it is simple as hell.  Debian provides packages to do it for
you, or you can do it yourself:

   http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Comparisonofnvidia-installerandtheDebianway

Looks like all that "One Shot" shot was his wad.

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"One Shot. One Kill." <fred@gmail.com> writes:

> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu-karmic.org> wrote in message 
> news:185dt6-hd6.ln1@karmickubuntu.64bit.org...
>> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
>> say:
>>
>>> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>>>>>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
>>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux 
>>>> systems
>>>> work with how things were in Slackware 1.0
>>>
>>> Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the time,
>>> and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is kicking my ass.
>>>
>>>  :-)
>>
>
>> And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia drivers
>> using a set version of the compiler, for example, when changing kernels"!
>> ;-)
>
> so both NVIDIA and Linux sites are wrong, and you're right? doubtful.
>
> http://ru.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.22/README/chapter-08.html
> "Q: I just upgraded my kernel, and now the NVIDIA kernel module will not 
> load.
>
> A: The kernel interface layer of the NVIDIA kernel module must be compiled 
> specifically for the configuration and version of your kernel. If you 
> upgrade your kernel, then the simplest solution is to reinstall the 
> driver."
>
> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/upgrading-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
> "One of the drawbacks to installing NVIDIA Proprietary drivers in Linux is 
> that when the kernel is updated, you have to reinstall (recompile) the 
> software to match the new kernel."

Poaster is an idiot.

And the recommended way is now to manually run

sudo m-a a-i nvidia

you then need to insmod the nvidia module and possibly also update the
xorg.conf.

I find it creepy that he keeps "poasting" his "me toos" and whatever to
creepy Chris and he is totally and utterly wrong. Ahlstrom knows he's
wrong too but won't admit.

On 2009-11-18, One Shot. One Kill. <fred@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu-karmic.org> wrote in message 
> news:185dt6-hd6.ln1@karmickubuntu.64bit.org...
>> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
>> say:
>>
>>> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>>>>>> should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cool.  Too many here on both sides are working off of out-of-date
>>>>> information.
>>>>
>>>> Only fair I guess when the trolls often confuse how current Linux 
>>>> systems
>>>> work with how things were in Slackware 1.0
>>>
>>> Yeah, I have terrible font and printer issues alllllllll the time,
>>> and my audio never works, and the Big Kernel Lock is kicking my ass.
>>>
>>>  :-)
>>
>
>> And not forgetting that you have to "recompile the latest NVidia drivers
>> using a set version of the compiler, for example, when changing kernels"!
>> ;-)
>
>
> so both NVIDIA and Linux sites are wrong, and you're right? doubtful.

....Nvidia's documentation is "comprehensive" and "generic". It makes no 
particular assuptions regarding the creature comforts that might be available 
in a particular distrbution (like Ubuntu).

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On Nov 18, 6:10=A0am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Tom Shelton wrote:
> >PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
> >should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>
> Which proves false the old Wintroll "Linux is bad because sometimes
> the command line is needed" bullshit.
>
> But do they admit error and apologize? =A0Ha!

I would apologize if I had ever said that, but I haven't so I won't.

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Tom Shelton wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> Tom Shelton wrote:
>> >PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>> >should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>
>> Which proves false the old Wintroll "Linux is bad because sometimes
>> the command line is needed" bullshit.
>>
>> But do they admit error and apologize? �Ha!
> 
> I would apologize if I had ever said that, but I haven't so I won't.

Did I claim or imply that you had?

On 2009-11-18, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> "One Shot. One Kill." <fred@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu-karmic.org> wrote in message 
>> news:185dt6-hd6.ln1@karmickubuntu.64bit.org...
>>> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
>>> say:
>>>
>>>> Nigel Feltham pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Shelton pulled this Usenet boner:
[deletia]
>> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/upgrading-nvidia-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
>> "One of the drawbacks to installing NVIDIA Proprietary drivers in Linux is 
>> that when the kernel is updated, you have to reinstall (recompile) the 
>> software to match the new kernel."
>
> Poaster is an idiot.
>
> And the recommended way is now to manually run
>
> sudo m-a a-i nvidia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant

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Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:

> I find it creepy that he keeps "poasting" his "me toos" and whatever to
> creepy Chris and he is totally and utterly wrong.

Creepy?  Gee, Wally, I haven't heard anyone use that word on someone
since "Leave It to Beaver".

Perhaps "Hadron" is a sit-com villain?

> Ahlstrom knows he's wrong too but won't admit.

Nope.  "Hadron" posted his own refutation:

   http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:07:21 -0800, Tom Shelton wrote:

> On Nov 18, 6:10 am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Tom Shelton wrote:
>> >PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
>> >should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>>
>> Which proves false the old Wintroll "Linux is bad because sometimes the
>> command line is needed" bullshit.
>>
>> But do they admit error and apologize?  Ha!
> 
> I would apologize if I had ever said that, but I haven't so I won't.


Yep, I don't doubt that at all.

It's a pleasure to have a reasonable, fair, Windows Advocate here such as 
yourself.


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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:19:12 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

<snip>
>> 
>> She has exactly the same kind of attitude you do, and around here on
>> COLA, it's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the endless troll
>> infestations.
> 
> wispygalaxy said the folks from IBM was hunting her.
> 

There are worse places to work for ;-)



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On Nov 18, 9:43=A0am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Tom Shelton wrote:
> > chrisv wrote:
> >> Tom Shelton wrote:
> >> >PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
> >> >should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>
> >> Which proves false the old Wintroll "Linux is bad because sometimes
> >> the command line is needed" bullshit.
>
> >> But do they admit error and apologize? =A0Ha!
>
> > I would apologize if I had ever said that, but I haven't so I won't.
>
> Did I claim or imply that you had?

Sorry, that was meant to be a joke - I just forgot to put a smiley on
it.

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On Nov 18, 3:03=A0pm, Terry Porter <linu...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:07:21 -0800, Tom Shelton wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 6:10=A0am, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> Tom Shelton wrote:
> >> >PowerShell is becomming the new shell for windows - so I felt it
> >> >should be pointed out that it is in the process of being improved.
>
> >> Which proves false the old Wintroll "Linux is bad because sometimes th=
e
> >> command line is needed" bullshit.
>
> >> But do they admit error and apologize? =A0Ha!
>
> > I would apologize if I had ever said that, but I haven't so I won't.
>
> Yep, I don't doubt that at all.
>
> It's a pleasure to have a reasonable, fair, Windows Advocate here such as
> yourself.
>

Hmmm...  I'm not sure I would call my self a windows advocate.  I
mean, it's not as if I am trying to convince anyone to use windows...
I personally use Windows and Linux, and I even have an old G3 iMac
running one of hte early OS X's that I fire up once in a while.  I am
seriously considering buying a new Mac - I have am a bit interested in
learning objective-c now that Apple is a little more sensible about
3rd party development :)

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Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to
say:

> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> I find it creepy that he keeps "poasting" his "me toos" and whatever to
>> creepy Chris and he is totally and utterly wrong.
>
> Creepy?  Gee, Wally, I haven't heard anyone use that word on someone
> since "Leave It to Beaver".
>
> Perhaps "Hadron" is a sit-com villain?

Village idiot, more like.

>> Ahlstrom knows he's wrong too but won't admit.
>
> Nope.  "Hadron" posted his own refutation:
>
>    http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

Halfwit-Hadron shot himself in the foot, huh. 

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:51:21 +0000, Nigel Feltham wrote:

> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
> 
>> One thing I love about GNU/Linux/Ubuntu-9.10 is the ease it installs
>> applications.

> Of course the resident trolls will claim that the commandline is so
> 1970's and the GUI way is better - as if windows lets you click on an
> uninstalled application in the start menu and it automatically installs
> when it can't even automatically install a printer or scanner without
> needing the CD.

Even since the early days I as an ordinary user, then in later years
as a fortunate software developer living and still, the dream; on Doze
I recommend to anyone reading, learn at least the command line and then
treat yourself to Cygwin and Bash. It makes Doze bearable when you have
to deal with it.

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jebblue <n@n.nnn> said on 2009-11-20:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:51:21 +0000, Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
> Even since the early days I as an ordinary user, then in later years
> as a fortunate software developer living and still, the dream; on Doze
> I recommend to anyone reading, learn at least the command line and then
> treat yourself to Cygwin and Bash. It makes Doze bearable when you have
> to deal with it.
>

Cygwin is super! awk, bash, perl make it a joy. If you can bear
Windows, try powershell. I have very few issues with Windows and like
powershell. Cygwin feels more comfortable anyway.

Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> writes:

>involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
>beginner will prefer.

>The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his search
>results in a scrollable result list on the desktop than directing the
>output of apt-cache search or something into a file or through less/more
>then they are more insane than even I thought.

Absolutely. Many people, perhaps a majority, are afraid of the cli, and a
significant portion are terrified by it. Call it conditioning, call it what
you will - it's just a fact.

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On 2009-11-21, Rockinghorse Winner <rwinner@8600.com> wrote:
> Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>involves typing the correct incantations. See if you can see which a
>>beginner will prefer.
>
>>The dorks here dont see that a beginner is happier in seeing his search
>>results in a scrollable result list on the desktop than directing the
>>output of apt-cache search or something into a file or through less/more
>>then they are more insane than even I thought.
>
> Absolutely. Many people, perhaps a majority, are afraid of the cli, and a
> significant portion are terrified by it. Call it conditioning, call it what
> you will - it's just a fact.

That's the way of the world. It's a good thing that linux also caters
for these people. Unfortunately, these types of people will be stymied
on ALL operating systems when things go wrong and a fix can't be made
without resorting to a little CLI goodness.

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Terry Porter wrote:

> You have a great future wispygalaxy, I'm certain.
> 
> Just your open minded attitude about Linux is enough for me to see it.
> 
> I have a beautiful daughter myself, she could read 25 words at age 3, was
> Dux of her class every year in primary school, always got straight A's in
> high school.
> 
> She's an Architect now, an Akido black belt, 5'11", fit, pretty and
> blonde.
> 
> She has exactly the same kind of attitude you do, and around here on
> COLA, it's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the endless troll
> infestations.

Congrats to her!  If you try your best in life, you will be rewarded. 
Education is very important, and I'm happy to see that people understand
that.  :)   

And thank you for the support!  I just try to tell the truth about Linux,
and I won't let the trolls get in my way.  I just laugh when they try to
attack me.  

I'm glad to see you advocating Linux in here.   :D

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> wispygalaxy said the folks from IBM was hunting her.

Well, I decided to start with a financial company first since I still need
to tweak my tech skills.  I'm good with the soft side of tech, like making
presentations and spreadsheets.

Terry Porter wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:19:12 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> 
> <snip>
>>> 
>>> She has exactly the same kind of attitude you do, and around here on
>>> COLA, it's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the endless troll
>>> infestations.
>> 
>> wispygalaxy said the folks from IBM was hunting her.
> 
> There are worse places to work for ;-)

Don't worry, I'm not looking into that for now!  I'll start out with a
financial firm first since I'm a finance major.

Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> ____/ wispygalaxy on Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 01:47 : \____
>>
>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>> that the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can 
>> give you super results each time.
> 
> The CLI also contains more information in case something goes wrong.
> 
> It's sometimes easier to tell someone a command to run than to give a long
> description of buttons, clicks, prompts etc. that are not universal and
> are hard to remember/visualise.

That's interesting, and I agree.  People are so used to the GUI that they
think it is easier.  People are just afraid of getting lost in a sea of
numbers and letters in the CLI, but it doesn't have to be that way.  You
can install apps in Linux with a single line.  

William Poaster wrote:

> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, wispygalaxy was heard to
> say:
>>
>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>> that  the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
>> give you super results each time.
> 
> Excellent, well done. :-)

Thanks!  The Wintrolls make it seem like you need to be a 1337 master to be
able to use the CLI.  Well, I proved them wrong!  :P

Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, wispygalaxy was heard to
say:

> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, wispygalaxy was heard to
>> say:
>>>
>>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>>> that  the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
>>> give you super results each time.
>> 
>> Excellent, well done. :-)
>
> Thanks!  The Wintrolls make it seem like you need to be a 1337 master to be
> able to use the CLI.  

It's just FUD, & in any case they may be too dim to know what they're
doing.

>Well, I proved them wrong!  :P

So "pffffffffffftttttttttt!" to them, eh. ;-)

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____/ wispygalaxy on Wednesday 25 Nov 2009 19:05 : \____

> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:19:12 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>>>> 
>>>> She has exactly the same kind of attitude you do, and around here on
>>>> COLA, it's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the endless troll
>>>> infestations.
>>> 
>>> wispygalaxy said the folks from IBM was hunting her.
>> 
>> There are worse places to work for ;-)
> 
> Don't worry, I'm not looking into that for now!  I'll start out with a
> financial firm first since I'm a finance major.

Ballmer is a marketing major (sort of).

That explains why Microsoft is still just an unethical marketing company.

IBM has always been more about technology.

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____/ wispygalaxy on Wednesday 25 Nov 2009 19:05 : \____

> 
> 
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> 
>> wispygalaxy said the folks from IBM was hunting her.
> 
> Well, I decided to start with a financial company first since I still need
> to tweak my tech skills.  I'm good with the soft side of tech, like making
> presentations and spreadsheets.

Presentations are said to be bad means of delivering useful information. They
also encourage a flat/shallow mode of thinking.

Give old-fashioned papers (e.g. with LyX) a try.

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> 
> 
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> 
>> ____/ wispygalaxy on Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 01:47 : \____
>>>
>>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>>> that the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
>>> give you super results each time.
>> 
>> The CLI also contains more information in case something goes wrong.
>> 
>> It's sometimes easier to tell someone a command to run than to give a long
>> description of buttons, clicks, prompts etc. that are not universal and
>> are hard to remember/visualise.
> 
> That's interesting, and I agree.  People are so used to the GUI that they
> think it is easier.  People are just afraid of getting lost in a sea of
> numbers and letters in the CLI, but it doesn't have to be that way.  You
> can install apps in Linux with a single line.

Assuming that you know the tools and that you know what you're looking for.

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____/ William Poaster on Wednesday 25 Nov 2009 23:10 : \____

> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, wispygalaxy was heard to
> say:
> 
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, wispygalaxy was heard to
>>> say:
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting more comfortable with the CLI in Debian.  I used to think
>>>> that  the GUI was the only way for me.  But I can see that it's faster
>>>> getting what you want with text commands.  Some GUIs can be cumbersome
>>>> and annoying to navigate.  If you know what you are doing, the CLI can
>>>> give you super results each time.
>>> 
>>> Excellent, well done. :-)
>>
>> Thanks!  The Wintrolls make it seem like you need to be a 1337 master to be
>> able to use the CLI.
> 
> It's just FUD, & in any case they may be too dim to know what they're
> doing.
> 
>>Well, I proved them wrong!  :P
> 
> So "pffffffffffftttttttttt!" to them, eh. ;-)

Microsoft is adding more CLI. It came to the realisation that it's necessary.

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wispygalaxy wrote:
> Terry Porter wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:19:12 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>> She has exactly the same kind of attitude you do, and around here on
>>>> COLA, it's a welcome breath of fresh air compared to the endless troll
>>>> infestations.
>>> wispygalaxy said the folks from IBM was hunting her.
>> There are worse places to work for ;-)
> 
> Don't worry, I'm not looking into that for now!  I'll start out with a
> financial firm first since I'm a finance major.

Hey Wispy,

Thanks for being back ;-)

Love you.

COLA needs more girl power!

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
> 
>> I find it creepy that he keeps "poasting" his "me toos" and whatever to
>> creepy Chris and he is totally and utterly wrong.
> 
> Creepy?  Gee, Wally, I haven't heard anyone use that word on someone
> since "Leave It to Beaver".
> 
> Perhaps "Hadron" is a sit-com villain?

Yes, in RL she is known as Hyacinth Bucket (oops Bouquet).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinth_Bucket

>> Ahlstrom knows he's wrong too but won't admit.
> 
> Nope.  "Hadron" posted his own refutation:
> 
>    http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
> 

Why doesn't Debian simply use dkms?:

http://linux.dell.com/dkms/manpage.html

I see the answer is here:

http://pkg-dkms.alioth.debian.org/

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Marti van Lin pulled this Usenet boner:

>>    http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
>
> Why doesn't Debian simply use dkms?:
>
> http://linux.dell.com/dkms/manpage.html
>
> I see the answer is here:
>
> http://pkg-dkms.alioth.debian.org/

Linux continually evolves.

Unlike the trolls (who are more likely to devolve).

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