So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got. To.
Be. Joking!

Security on Linux and Unix is a joke - it makes Windows look like Fort
Knox in comparison!

Just look at them: Unix was released in 1976 and has been used in
servers for more than 20 years - BUT IT STILL GETS BUG REPORTS,
sometimes down to the kernel. IBM security used to be pretty good
until AIX came along, but look in CERT and there's now hundreds of
reports about AIX. And Linux, son of Unix, is as bug-ridden as its
parent.

They've had more than 25 years to get Unix working properly BUT THE
BUGS ARE STILL BEING FOUND! (Is the problem the operating system or
the language it is written in? I've never figured that out.)

Windows was released in latter half of 1980's and has only recently
attempted to move into servers. (That's about 3 years as a server
system compared to 15 by Unix.) Sure Windows is not terribly secure
but it is making a lot of progress. It is 10 years younger than Unix
but right now Windows XP is looking a darn sight more secure than
Unix-Linux.

And sure Windows has bugs, but few are now in the kernel; most are in
the applications. The same can't be said for Unix-Linux. Comparing the
state of system security and the amount of time that the systems have
been in general use, it's clear - Windows wins hands-down!

Don't get me wrong; I am not a fan of Windows and Microsoft. I don't
like their licensing policy; I don't really like the overblown
products. I don't like their way of fixing bugs - their policy started
as upgrade-to-fix (aka. "buy-a-bug-fix") and the recent SQL looked
like instructions for flatpack furniture - using tool T3 insert piece
G8 into slot C9 with grommet H23� you get the picture.

The OpenVMS community often says that VMS security now is where
windows security is wants to be in 5 years. Guess what? Windows
security now is where Linux should be trying to be in less than 5
years. Judging by their progress over what is nearly 30 years, just
how much time will Linux/Unix need to catch up with an operating
system that is about 10 years younger than them?

Given a choice I'd run with OpenVMS. Now that is a secure operating
system! Too bad that it didn't get to the desktop. Too bad that
nothing much else did either. Too bad we get lumped with Windows.

Windows has too many bugs, sure, but almost all the bugs are in the
Microsoft applications; I know, Internet Explorer has had more bugs
than a summer evening!

By virtue of the fact that there's a Windows box on almost every desk
- and usually internet-connected at that - it is a favourite target of
the virus writers and there's a lot of publicity every time a bug or
virus appears. BUT IT STILL BEATS LINUX HANDS DOWN!

Linux-Unix is as buggy as a kindergarten in winter, and not just in
the applications. Just take a look in any security-tracking database
and you'll find vulnerabilities everywhere, right down to the kernel
or just as bad, the middleware that talks to the web. And just don't
forget that Linux and Unix bugs might be spread across several
manufacturers and for Linux there might be no manufacturer as such.

Riddle me this Batman: if every piece of Linux source code had stacks
of AP's poring over it and thoroughly checking it, how come people are
still finding security-bugs and, more to the point, how do those bugs
get in there in the first place?

The big push this year is for Linux on the desktop. Thanks but no
thanks!

I'd rather have security-bugs in applications, and viruses that just
email all kinds of garbage around the web from my copy of Outlook,
than have security-bugs in the kernel of my operating system.

Can you imagine what kind of damage kernel-level security-bugs can do
to your system? Now spread that across hundreds, thousands, millions
of desktop systems and it's really gonna be a nightmare.

When you can give me something BETTER than Windows I'll look at it.
Don't worry about being cheap. (Linux might be free but to me it's the
kind of free that a prisoner feels when he walks out an unlocked
door.) Get me "better"!

Linux - you want to be in the big world? You know what you've got to
do.


 The Letterman

Peggy Wanka wrote:

> So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got. To.
> Be. Joking!
> 
> Security on Linux and Unix is a joke - it makes Windows look like Fort
> Knox in comparison!
> 
> Just look at them: Unix was released in 1976 and has been used in
> servers for more than 20 years - BUT IT STILL GETS BUG REPORTS,
> sometimes down to the kernel. IBM security used to be pretty good
> until AIX came along, but look in CERT and there's now hundreds of
> reports about AIX. And Linux, son of Unix, is as bug-ridden as its
> parent.
> 
> They've had more than 25 years to get Unix working properly BUT THE
> BUGS ARE STILL BEING FOUND! (Is the problem the operating system or
> the language it is written in? I've never figured that out.)
> 
> Windows was released in latter half of 1980's and has only recently
> attempted to move into servers. (That's about 3 years as a server
> system compared to 15 by Unix.) Sure Windows is not terribly secure
> but it is making a lot of progress. It is 10 years younger than Unix
> but right now Windows XP is looking a darn sight more secure than
> Unix-Linux.
> 
> And sure Windows has bugs, but few are now in the kernel; most are in
> the applications. The same can't be said for Unix-Linux. Comparing the
> state of system security and the amount of time that the systems have
> been in general use, it's clear - Windows wins hands-down!
> 
> Don't get me wrong; I am not a fan of Windows and Microsoft. I don't
> like their licensing policy; I don't really like the overblown
> products. I don't like their way of fixing bugs - their policy started
> as upgrade-to-fix (aka. "buy-a-bug-fix") and the recent SQL looked
> like instructions for flatpack furniture - using tool T3 insert piece
> G8 into slot C9 with grommet H23… you get the picture.
> 
> The OpenVMS community often says that VMS security now is where
> windows security is wants to be in 5 years. Guess what? Windows
> security now is where Linux should be trying to be in less than 5
> years. Judging by their progress over what is nearly 30 years, just
> how much time will Linux/Unix need to catch up with an operating
> system that is about 10 years younger than them?
> 
> Given a choice I'd run with OpenVMS. Now that is a secure operating
> system! Too bad that it didn't get to the desktop. Too bad that
> nothing much else did either. Too bad we get lumped with Windows.
> 
> Windows has too many bugs, sure, but almost all the bugs are in the
> Microsoft applications; I know, Internet Explorer has had more bugs
> than a summer evening!
> 
> By virtue of the fact that there's a Windows box on almost every desk
> - and usually internet-connected at that - it is a favourite target of
> the virus writers and there's a lot of publicity every time a bug or
> virus appears. BUT IT STILL BEATS LINUX HANDS DOWN!
> 
> Linux-Unix is as buggy as a kindergarten in winter, and not just in
> the applications. Just take a look in any security-tracking database
> and you'll find vulnerabilities everywhere, right down to the kernel
> or just as bad, the middleware that talks to the web. And just don't
> forget that Linux and Unix bugs might be spread across several
> manufacturers and for Linux there might be no manufacturer as such.
> 
> Riddle me this Batman: if every piece of Linux source code had stacks
> of AP's poring over it and thoroughly checking it, how come people are
> still finding security-bugs and, more to the point, how do those bugs
> get in there in the first place?
> 
> The big push this year is for Linux on the desktop. Thanks but no
> thanks!
> 
> I'd rather have security-bugs in applications, and viruses that just
> email all kinds of garbage around the web from my copy of Outlook,
> than have security-bugs in the kernel of my operating system.
> 
> Can you imagine what kind of damage kernel-level security-bugs can do
> to your system? Now spread that across hundreds, thousands, millions
> of desktop systems and it's really gonna be a nightmare.
> 
> When you can give me something BETTER than Windows I'll look at it.
> Don't worry about being cheap. (Linux might be free but to me it's the
> kind of free that a prisoner feels when he walks out an unlocked
> door.) Get me "better"!
> 
> Linux - you want to be in the big world? You know what you've got to
> do.
> 
> 
>  The Letterman

Going a bit off topic. I will not defend Linux because it does not
need it. 

Give it up. Who the hell care's what you think? I use Linux, other's
use Windoze. Big freaken deal. I could could seriously care less what
you do, or what you think, but this is just getting boring and rather
old. I know you wont stop till every just ignores you, which it seem's
is not going to happen anytime soon.. (I am not helping either but I
will not post to this drivel again and am just making a point)

Linux works for me. If you don't like it then wipe your ass with it
and throw it away. Maybe you just don't like it because because you 
can't figure it out, maybe you just have no life outside of usenet.
Does it matter? No. 

Linux user's are not going to drop everything and run back to Windoze
just because you and the other insest trolls have a problem with it.
New people coming to Linux may see this crap and run away, so what?
They'll be back when they tire of all the worms, and M$ taking months
to fix major security holes that should only take a few hours - days
to fix. 

I am in no way a Linux Pro, but I am a proud Linux user. I took the
time to learn it, and will continue to do so long after Windoze is
is rotting in the dump with the rest of the trash. 

Feel free to twist it all around on me now. I left some space to make
it easier for you.

Peggy Wanka wrote:

> So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got. To.
> Be. Joking!
> 

Which prison are you posting from?
XP cost the IT $billions in damages.

On 18 May 2004 18:14:15 -0700, peggy_wanka@linuxmail.org (Peggy Wanka)
wrote:

<snipped>

> The Letterman

Disregarding the fact that you're an obvious troll, your post was so
full of errors that I doubt you'd ever be able to use anything *but* a
M$ Operating System.

Better luck next time.

Dazz

Peggy Wanka wrote:


< snip typical flatfish bullshit >

Hi flatfish

Idiot
-- 
The early bird gets the worm.
The early worm ... gets eaten.

"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com 
> Peggy Wanka wrote:
> 
>> So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got.
>> To. Be. Joking!
>> 
> 
> Which prison are you posting from?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
old, decrepit moron.

You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
sound deadened cranium of yours?

-- 
Kobayashi

Tue, 18 May 2004 18:14:15 -0700, Peggy Wanka kirjoitti:

> So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got. To.
> Be. Joking!
> 
> Security on Linux and Unix is a joke - it makes Windows look like Fort
> Knox in comparison!
> 
> Just look at them: Unix was released in 1976 and has been used in
> servers for more than 20 years - BUT IT STILL GETS BUG REPORTS,
> sometimes down to the kernel. IBM security used to be pretty good
> until AIX came along, but look in CERT and there's now hundreds of
> reports about AIX. And Linux, son of Unix, is as bug-ridden as its
> parent.
> 
> They've had more than 25 years to get Unix working properly BUT THE
> BUGS ARE STILL BEING FOUND! (Is the problem the operating system or
> the language it is written in? I've never figured that out.)
> 
> Windows was released in latter half of 1980's and has only recently
> attempted to move into servers. (That's about 3 years as a server
> system compared to 15 by Unix.) Sure Windows is not terribly secure
> but it is making a lot of progress. It is 10 years younger than Unix
> but right now Windows XP is looking a darn sight more secure than
> Unix-Linux.
> 
> And sure Windows has bugs, but few are now in the kernel; most are in
> the applications. The same can't be said for Unix-Linux. Comparing the
> state of system security and the amount of time that the systems have
> been in general use, it's clear - Windows wins hands-down!
> 
> Don't get me wrong; I am not a fan of Windows and Microsoft. I don't
> like their licensing policy; I don't really like the overblown
> products. I don't like their way of fixing bugs - their policy started
> as upgrade-to-fix (aka. "buy-a-bug-fix") and the recent SQL looked
> like instructions for flatpack furniture - using tool T3 insert piece
> G8 into slot C9 with grommet H23� you get the picture.
> 
> The OpenVMS community often says that VMS security now is where
> windows security is wants to be in 5 years. Guess what? Windows
> security now is where Linux should be trying to be in less than 5
> years. Judging by their progress over what is nearly 30 years, just
> how much time will Linux/Unix need to catch up with an operating
> system that is about 10 years younger than them?
> 
> Given a choice I'd run with OpenVMS. Now that is a secure operating
> system! Too bad that it didn't get to the desktop. Too bad that
> nothing much else did either. Too bad we get lumped with Windows.
> 
> Windows has too many bugs, sure, but almost all the bugs are in the
> Microsoft applications; I know, Internet Explorer has had more bugs
> than a summer evening!
> 
> By virtue of the fact that there's a Windows box on almost every desk
> - and usually internet-connected at that - it is a favourite target of
> the virus writers and there's a lot of publicity every time a bug or
> virus appears. BUT IT STILL BEATS LINUX HANDS DOWN!
> 
> Linux-Unix is as buggy as a kindergarten in winter, and not just in
> the applications. Just take a look in any security-tracking database
> and you'll find vulnerabilities everywhere, right down to the kernel
> or just as bad, the middleware that talks to the web. And just don't
> forget that Linux and Unix bugs might be spread across several
> manufacturers and for Linux there might be no manufacturer as such.
> 
> Riddle me this Batman: if every piece of Linux source code had stacks
> of AP's poring over it and thoroughly checking it, how come people are
> still finding security-bugs and, more to the point, how do those bugs
> get in there in the first place?
> 
> The big push this year is for Linux on the desktop. Thanks but no
> thanks!
> 
> I'd rather have security-bugs in applications, and viruses that just
> email all kinds of garbage around the web from my copy of Outlook,
> than have security-bugs in the kernel of my operating system.
> 
> Can you imagine what kind of damage kernel-level security-bugs can do
> to your system? Now spread that across hundreds, thousands, millions
> of desktop systems and it's really gonna be a nightmare.
> 
> When you can give me something BETTER than Windows I'll look at it.
> Don't worry about being cheap. (Linux might be free but to me it's the
> kind of free that a prisoner feels when he walks out an unlocked
> door.) Get me "better"!
> 
> Linux - you want to be in the big world? You know what you've got to
> do.
> 
> 
>  The Letterman
I am utterly *shocked*
How can someone be serious and say such?!

I've been a proud user of Linux for years, and I will always
be. And this far I haven't had absolutely *NO* security
related problems! No viruses, no hackers, no unwanted
malicious programs...Yes, there are bugs in the Linux kernel,
but you know what? They aren't the type as in Windoze which
allow someone just to connect to certain port and execute
arbitrary code on your machine! Actually, the security
related bugs have not been as many as you claim, and they are
about users who already are logged in to the machine.
If someone has already access to the computer, then it's
alot easier to hax0r your way to root, but with Linux, it's
quite fscking difficult to hack your way in in the first place.
Besides, yes, Linux kernel has some other "misfeatures" too,
but you know, Windoze kernel doesn't handle even nearly
all the stuff the Linux kernel does. Linux kernel is much more
advanced and just check the fscking kernel, and you'll notice
how much stuff the Linux kernel actually supports! Windoze
kernel on the other half doesn't do much else than just page
memory in/out and handle processes!
 -WareKala

Hi Peggy,

Your logic on this topic is quite wrong...

Peggy Wanka wrote:

> Just look at them: Unix was released in 1976 and has been used in
> servers for more than 20 years - BUT IT STILL GETS BUG REPORTS,
> sometimes down to the kernel. IBM security used to be pretty good
> until AIX came along, but look in CERT and there's now hundreds of
> reports about AIX. And Linux, son of Unix, is as bug-ridden as its
> parent.
> 
> They've had more than 25 years to get Unix working properly BUT THE
> BUGS ARE STILL BEING FOUND! (Is the problem the operating system or
> the language it is written in? I've never figured that out.)

Linux is more like the non-blood step-son of Unix.  Linux is a from scratch project related to Unix, 
but not *from* Unix.  To be fair to Linux, it's been out since 1991, and each new release of the 
kernel adds many new lines of code... some of which will no doubt have flaws.  No program is or ever 
will be 100% bug free, but the method of development dictates how many bugs will be in it.

The pros to Linux over Windows is Linux has thousands of developers (at a minimum) checking each 
other's word and troubleshooting the way their code works together.  How many Windows developers sit 
in the dark, smokey rooms of Microsoft writing Windows?  Who knows, but not that many.

> Windows was released in latter half of 1980's and has only recently
> attempted to move into servers. (That's about 3 years as a server
> system compared to 15 by Unix.) Sure Windows is not terribly secure
> but it is making a lot of progress. It is 10 years younger than Unix
> but right now Windows XP is looking a darn sight more secure than
> Unix-Linux.

Uhh, Windows NT 3.5 was released in 1994, so Microsoft has been in the server market for 10 years, 
or just 3 years longer then Linux has been around.

> And sure Windows has bugs, but few are now in the kernel; most are in
> the applications. The same can't be said for Unix-Linux. Comparing the
> state of system security and the amount of time that the systems have
> been in general use, it's clear - Windows wins hands-down!

Grouping Unix and Linux is like grouping Linux and Microsoft... though Unix and Linux look the same 
and run many of the same apps, they are not the same OS.  Different code, different kernel, 
different programmers.  And you are not giving any specifics...  give us some examples of all these 
flaws in Linux and Unix you note!  I can note MANY flaws in Windows just in the last year: Sasser 
and Blaster just to name a few.

> Don't get me wrong; I am not a fan of Windows and Microsoft. I don't
> like their licensing policy; I don't really like the overblown
> products. I don't like their way of fixing bugs - their policy started
> as upgrade-to-fix (aka. "buy-a-bug-fix") and the recent SQL looked
> like instructions for flatpack furniture - using tool T3 insert piece
> G8 into slot C9 with grommet H23� you get the picture.

For not being a fan of Windows you sure are advocating it with un-backed statements.

> The OpenVMS community often says that VMS security now is where
> windows security is wants to be in 5 years. Guess what? Windows
> security now is where Linux should be trying to be in less than 5
> years. Judging by their progress over what is nearly 30 years, just
> how much time will Linux/Unix need to catch up with an operating
> system that is about 10 years younger than them?

Okay, I'm going to throw some facts your way since you can't seem to find any facts to back your 
statements:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html
Hmmm, I bet 95% or more of those Apache servers are running on Unix or Linux.  And though I could 
find no good numbers on Windows vs Linux market share, here's an interesting article:
http://cio.co.nz/cio.nsf/0/DCF2863A5D0711B8CC256D47001B967A?OpenDocument

> Given a choice I'd run with OpenVMS. Now that is a secure operating
> system! Too bad that it didn't get to the desktop. Too bad that
> nothing much else did either. Too bad we get lumped with Windows.

Well go Troll in comp.os.vms

> Windows has too many bugs, sure, but almost all the bugs are in the
> Microsoft applications; I know, Internet Explorer has had more bugs
> than a summer evening!

How will we ever know since Windows is closed source???  The bugs found to date have been found by 
accident, generally by students experimenting with Windows.  There's probably many more bugs under 
the surface that we'll never see or know about.  With Linux everything's at face value, and if 
anyone see's a potential bug, they themselves can write a patch or fix.  I like those odds better.

The common analogy is would you buy a car with the hood welded shut?  That's what you're doing with 
Windows.  There could be a leaky hose of faulty component, but you'd never know.

> By virtue of the fact that there's a Windows box on almost every desk
> - and usually internet-connected at that - it is a favourite target of
> the virus writers and there's a lot of publicity every time a bug or
> virus appears. BUT IT STILL BEATS LINUX HANDS DOWN!

And every one of these computers is probably riddled with spyware, viruses, and installed on a PC 
that's overpowered for what the user needs.  Most users want to get online, check email, and that's 
about it.  Who needs a 3+ Ghz system with Windows XP to do that?  There are tactics employed by 
Microsoft to guarantee that they keep their market share, and it has NOTHING to do with quality of 
product.  If so, then we wouldn't need so many PC repair shops and antivirus and antispyware 
companies wouldn't be growing so much.

A friend of mine owns a local shop, and he said a much larger number of his service calls and PC 
repair issues are related to software then hardware.  Generally viruses or spyware... or Windows 
decides to stop working for some reason.  I've been using Linux for many years, and I've never had a 
Linux box hose on me for zero reason.  And a reinstallation has almost NEVER been the solution for 
fixing a problem.  Same with Mac OS X (I never used 9 or below).  Windows is the only OS that even 
the vendor will suggest reinstallation at times because it hoses for no apparent reason way too often.

> Linux-Unix is as buggy as a kindergarten in winter, and not just in
> the applications. Just take a look in any security-tracking database
> and you'll find vulnerabilities everywhere, right down to the kernel
> or just as bad, the middleware that talks to the web. And just don't
> forget that Linux and Unix bugs might be spread across several
> manufacturers and for Linux there might be no manufacturer as such.

You're repeating yourself... and not correct by the way.

[snip]

I had to cut your message short because it's totally crap.  You stated many opinions but zero facts 
to base your opinions on.  You want to see how secure and safe Windows is?  Check below:

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3345351
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20040413S0009
http://www.unh.edu/computer-security/win_vuln.html
http://www.networkcomputing.com/1303/1303colshipley.html
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/426/426lect12.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/windows/story/0,10801,90039,00.html
http://www.trendnetworkservices.com/trendweb/ns/nswebpages.nsf/vlNewPageLookup/winvulnerabilities.html
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci919945,00.html
http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/39709/39709.html
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci865660,00.html
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci854432,00.html

I'll definately be the first to admit that Linux has its share of problems, but most are on server 
applications line SSH that any good admin will patch quickly.  Home users using Linux don't have to 
worry about the types of worms, viruses, and spyware that plague Windows home users.  And Linux 
network admins who monitor any of the security websites will patch possible problems well before 
they're exploited.  You rarely have the frinzy of patching all your servers at 8am because a SQL, 
IIS, or Windows worm or virus is migrating across the Internet looking for non-patched systems.

Linux forces you to use a non-root account, so the likelihood of someone fubaring their system is 
very low.  Linux by design is safer to use.

Is Linux 100% safe and free of bugs?  Definately not... but I along with many security experts will 
tell you Linux and Unix are much more secure then Windows.

Alex.

On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:14:15 -0700, Peggy Wanka wrote:

Windows is a semi-layered operating system, it is in fact much like a
dualistic entity. In itself it hold promises at each side but since the
distinction is very white-black the whole of the system is left completely
in the dark. Okay the kernel is pretty solid, but what good is it if there
is no good "upper" layer where the user and developpers are at work ?

*nix on the other hand is a full-layered system with solid text and
graphics, library and kernel distinction wich makes it indeed a bit harder
to fully HARDEN but also much more modular.

Windows-security is completely a joke, for many years one witnesses all
security issues to be re-occuring in EVERY release. Like the damn OS was
coded by an alien and no one understands what to do with it, but hey, it's
working.


 Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got. To. Be.
> Joking!
> 
> Security on Linux and Unix is a joke - it makes Windows look like Fort
> Knox in comparison!
> 
> Just look at them: Unix was released in 1976 and has been used in servers
> for more than 20 years - BUT IT STILL GETS BUG REPORTS, sometimes down to
> the kernel. IBM security used to be pretty good until AIX came along, but
> look in CERT and there's now hundreds of reports about AIX. And Linux, son
> of Unix, is as bug-ridden as its parent.
> 
> They've had more than 25 years to get Unix working properly BUT THE BUGS
> ARE STILL BEING FOUND! (Is the problem the operating system or the
> language it is written in? I've never figured that out.)
> 
> Windows was released in latter half of 1980's and has only recently
> attempted to move into servers. (That's about 3 years as a server system
> compared to 15 by Unix.) Sure Windows is not terribly secure but it is
> making a lot of progress. It is 10 years younger than Unix but right now
> Windows XP is looking a darn sight more secure than Unix-Linux.
> 
> And sure Windows has bugs, but few are now in the kernel; most are in the
> applications. The same can't be said for Unix-Linux. Comparing the state
> of system security and the amount of time that the systems have been in
> general use, it's clear - Windows wins hands-down!
> 
> Don't get me wrong; I am not a fan of Windows and Microsoft. I don't like
> their licensing policy; I don't really like the overblown products. I
> don't like their way of fixing bugs - their policy started as
> upgrade-to-fix (aka. "buy-a-bug-fix") and the recent SQL looked like
> instructions for flatpack furniture - using tool T3 insert piece G8 into
> slot C9 with grommet H23� you get the picture.
> 
> The OpenVMS community often says that VMS security now is where windows
> security is wants to be in 5 years. Guess what? Windows security now is
> where Linux should be trying to be in less than 5 years. Judging by their
> progress over what is nearly 30 years, just how much time will Linux/Unix
> need to catch up with an operating system that is about 10 years younger
> than them?
> 
> Given a choice I'd run with OpenVMS. Now that is a secure operating
> system! Too bad that it didn't get to the desktop. Too bad that nothing
> much else did either. Too bad we get lumped with Windows.
> 
> Windows has too many bugs, sure, but almost all the bugs are in the
> Microsoft applications; I know, Internet Explorer has had more bugs than a
> summer evening!
> 
> By virtue of the fact that there's a Windows box on almost every desk -
> and usually internet-connected at that - it is a favourite target of the
> virus writers and there's a lot of publicity every time a bug or virus
> appears. BUT IT STILL BEATS LINUX HANDS DOWN!
> 
> Linux-Unix is as buggy as a kindergarten in winter, and not just in the
> applications. Just take a look in any security-tracking database and
> you'll find vulnerabilities everywhere, right down to the kernel or just
> as bad, the middleware that talks to the web. And just don't forget that
> Linux and Unix bugs might be spread across several manufacturers and for
> Linux there might be no manufacturer as such.
> 
> Riddle me this Batman: if every piece of Linux source code had stacks of
> AP's poring over it and thoroughly checking it, how come people are still
> finding security-bugs and, more to the point, how do those bugs get in
> there in the first place?
> 
> The big push this year is for Linux on the desktop. Thanks but no thanks!
> 
> I'd rather have security-bugs in applications, and viruses that just email
> all kinds of garbage around the web from my copy of Outlook, than have
> security-bugs in the kernel of my operating system.
> 
> Can you imagine what kind of damage kernel-level security-bugs can do to
> your system? Now spread that across hundreds, thousands, millions of
> desktop systems and it's really gonna be a nightmare.
> 
> When you can give me something BETTER than Windows I'll look at it. Don't
> worry about being cheap. (Linux might be free but to me it's the kind of
> free that a prisoner feels when he walks out an unlocked door.) Get me
> "better"!
> 
> Linux - you want to be in the big world? You know what you've got to do.
> 
> 
>  The Letterman

-- 
Best Regards,

 Dr. Chandra

Dr. Chandra wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:14:15 -0700, Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>
>> Windows is a semi-layered operating system, it is in fact much like a
>> dualistic entity. In itself it hold promises at each side but since

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

-- 
Ian Moyce 

Kobayashi wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com 
> 
>>Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got.
>>>To. Be. Joking!
>>>
>>
>>Which prison are you posting from?
> 
> 
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
> old, decrepit moron.
> 
> You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
> with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
> sound deadened cranium of yours?
> 

Sounds like you are in solitary confinement.  Which state is your prison in?

Ian Moyce wrote:

> Dr. Chandra wrote:
> 
>>>On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:14:15 -0700, Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>>
>>>Windows is a semi-layered operating system, it is in fact much like a
>>>dualistic entity. In itself it hold promises at each side but since
> 
> 
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> 

Gee, an ostrich farm.

"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:-8GdnZM6AaaeCzbd4p2dnA@bresnan.com 
> Kobayashi wrote:
>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>> news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com
>> 
>>> Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got.
>>>> To. Be. Joking!
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Which prison are you posting from?
>> 
>> 
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
>> old, decrepit moron.
>> 
>> You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
>> with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
>> sound deadened cranium of yours?
>> 
> 
> Sounds like you are in solitary confinement.  Which state is your
> prison in? 

DUH!!! State, you fuckin' arsewipe? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
OK, look, my mum was there, my dad was there, my
sisters, brothers, uncles, grandparents were all there, hey,
even the fuckin' dog was banged up. Satisfied now?

<Turns to group>
For the next couple of weeks now, gayclown, will still
use the word "prison" in every one of his post to
Kobayashi in the belief he's mortifyingly wounding.

<snigger>

<gayclown>
You have until Monday morning to make the most of it.
<wait for the lame>

-- 
Kobayashi

Peggy Wanka wrote:

....

> Windows was released in latter half of 1980's and has only recently
> attempted to move into servers. (That's about 3 years as a server
> system compared to 15 by Unix.) Sure Windows is not terribly secure
> but it is making a lot of progress. It is 10 years younger than Unix
> but right now Windows XP is looking a darn sight more secure than
> Unix-Linux.

You know what, your maths didn't add up last time this was posted and it 
still doesn't add up - if you had bothered to correct your mistake, I might 
have paid more attention to it this time.  (Unix came about in 1969 ergo 
Windoze, being 10 years younger must have come about in 1979, but you 
yourself says it came about in late '80s; thus Windoze is NOT 10 years 
younger than Unix. QED.)

If you're interested (which I very much doubt) you may care to look at this: 
http://www.techuser.net/index.php?id=47 and give us your wisdom on the 
information contained therein.

Kobayashi wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:-8GdnZM6AaaeCzbd4p2dnA@bresnan.com 
> 
>>Kobayashi wrote:
>>
>>>"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have. Got.
>>>>>To. Be. Joking!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which prison are you posting from?
>>>
>>>
>>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
>>>old, decrepit moron.
>>>
>>>You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
>>>with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
>>>sound deadened cranium of yours?
>>>
>>
>>Sounds like you are in solitary confinement.  Which state is your
>>prison in? 
> 
> 
> DUH!!! State, you fuckin' arsewipe? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
> OK, look, my mum was there, my dad was there, my
> sisters, brothers, uncles, grandparents were all there, hey,
> even the fuckin' dog was banged up. Satisfied now?
> 
> <Turns to group>
> For the next couple of weeks now, gayclown, will still
> use the word "prison" in every one of his post to
> Kobayashi in the belief he's mortifyingly wounding.
> 
> <snigger>
> 
> <gayclown>
> You have until Monday morning to make the most of it.
> <wait for the lame>

So, you're in the slammer eh?  Tough titty.
Hope you enjoy the bulls in there.
Guffaw!!!

"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:0KydnZQei_VEgTHdRVn-tA@bresnan.com 
> Kobayashi wrote:
>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>> news:-8GdnZM6AaaeCzbd4p2dnA@bresnan.com
>> 
>>> Kobayashi wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have.
>>>>>> Got. To. Be. Joking!
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which prison are you posting from?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
>>>> old, decrepit moron.
>>>> 
>>>> You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
>>>> with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
>>>> sound deadened cranium of yours?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you are in solitary confinement.  Which state is your
>>> prison in?
>> 
>> 
>> DUH!!! State, you fuckin' arsewipe? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
>> OK, look, my mum was there, my dad was there, my
>> sisters, brothers, uncles, grandparents were all there, hey,
>> even the fuckin' dog was banged up. Satisfied now?
>> 
>> <Turns to group>
>> For the next couple of weeks now, gayclown, will still
>> use the word "prison" in every one of his post to
>> Kobayashi in the belief he's mortifyingly wounding.
>> 
>> <snigger>
>> 
>> <gayclown>
>> You have until Monday morning to make the most of it.
>> <wait for the lame>
> 
> So, you're in the slammer eh?

No.

> Tough titty.

That'll be joggers Nipple for you, from being bounced
around by your friends the sodomites.

> Hope you enjoy the bulls in there.

How do you know so much about that, gayclown?

> Guffaw!!!

So, that's the best you could come up with from the
admission you sought, ya duff cunt, eh?

PMSL at you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

I will plonk you if you don't improve and your
lame repertoire remains the same. Your choice.

-- 
Kobayashi

Kobayashi wrote:

> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:0KydnZQei_VEgTHdRVn-tA@bresnan.com 
> 
>>Kobayashi wrote:
>>
>>>"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:-8GdnZM6AaaeCzbd4p2dnA@bresnan.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kobayashi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have.
>>>>>>>Got. To. Be. Joking!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which prison are you posting from?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
>>>>>old, decrepit moron.
>>>>>
>>>>>You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
>>>>>with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
>>>>>sound deadened cranium of yours?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like you are in solitary confinement.  Which state is your
>>>>prison in?
>>>
>>>
>>>DUH!!! State, you fuckin' arsewipe? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
>>>OK, look, my mum was there, my dad was there, my
>>>sisters, brothers, uncles, grandparents were all there, hey,
>>>even the fuckin' dog was banged up. Satisfied now?
>>>
>>><Turns to group>
>>>For the next couple of weeks now, gayclown, will still
>>>use the word "prison" in every one of his post to
>>>Kobayashi in the belief he's mortifyingly wounding.
>>>
>>><snigger>
>>>
>>><gayclown>
>>>You have until Monday morning to make the most of it.
>>><wait for the lame>
>>
>>So, you're in the slammer eh?
> 
> 
> No.
> 
> 
>>Tough titty.
> 
> 
> That'll be joggers Nipple for you, from being bounced
> around by your friends the sodomites.
> 
> 
>>Hope you enjoy the bulls in there.
> 
> 
> How do you know so much about that, gayclown?
> 

Because you are in there already.
It shows.

> 
>>Guffaw!!!
> 
> 
> So, that's the best you could come up with from the
> admission you sought, ya duff cunt, eh?
> 
> PMSL at you.
> 

XYZUYA at you.

> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
> 
> I will plonk you if you don't improve and your
> lame repertoire remains the same. Your choice.
> 

Plonk away.  Doubt that you'd stay away tho.

"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:oNWdnXtepYPUdTHdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com 
> Kobayashi wrote:
> 
>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>> news:0KydnZQei_VEgTHdRVn-tA@bresnan.com
>> 
>>> Kobayashi wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:-8GdnZM6AaaeCzbd4p2dnA@bresnan.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Kobayashi wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have.
>>>>>>>> Got. To. Be. Joking!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Which prison are you posting from?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
>>>>>> old, decrepit moron.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
>>>>>> with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
>>>>>> sound deadened cranium of yours?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds like you are in solitary confinement.  Which state is your
>>>>> prison in?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> DUH!!! State, you fuckin' arsewipe? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
>>>> OK, look, my mum was there, my dad was there, my
>>>> sisters, brothers, uncles, grandparents were all there, hey,
>>>> even the fuckin' dog was banged up. Satisfied now?
>>>> 
>>>> <Turns to group>
>>>> For the next couple of weeks now, gayclown, will still
>>>> use the word "prison" in every one of his post to
>>>> Kobayashi in the belief he's mortifyingly wounding.
>>>> 
>>>> <snigger>
>>>> 
>>>> <gayclown>
>>>> You have until Monday morning to make the most of it.
>>>> <wait for the lame>
>>> 
>>> So, you're in the slammer eh?
>> 
>> 
>> No.
>> 
>> 
>>> Tough titty.
>> 
>> 
>> That'll be joggers Nipple for you, from being bounced
>> around by your friends the sodomites.
>> 
>> 
>>> Hope you enjoy the bulls in there.
>> 
>> 
>> How do you know so much about that, gayclown?
>> 
> 
> Because you are in there already.
> It shows.

Only a dickhead like you could come up with nonsensical,
ineffectual and lame drivel like that. You're the master at it. 
 
>>> Guffaw!!!
>> 
>> 
>> So, that's the best you could come up with from the
>> admission you sought, ya duff cunt, eh?
>> 
>> PMSL at you.
>> 
> 
> XYZUYA at you.
> 
>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
>> 
>> I will plonk you if you don't improve and your
>> lame repertoire remains the same. Your choice.
>> 
> 
> Plonk away.  Doubt that you'd stay away tho.

Doubt is all you have old man, it comes with your domain.

*plonk* _I_ _win_. <don't you wish you had done that> 

PMSL Twat < gayclown

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFL LOL

-- 
Kobayashi

Kobayashi wrote:

> "GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
> news:oNWdnXtepYPUdTHdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com 
> 
>>Kobayashi wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0KydnZQei_VEgTHdRVn-tA@bresnan.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kobayashi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:-8GdnZM6AaaeCzbd4p2dnA@bresnan.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Kobayashi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:U7-dnZFV4vhmIjfdRVn-hQ@bresnan.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Peggy Wanka wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So you want to replace Windows systems with Linux. You. Have.
>>>>>>>>>Got. To. Be. Joking!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which prison are you posting from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! PMSL at you, you
>>>>>>>old, decrepit moron.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You utter fuckstick! Does everyone you find disagreeable
>>>>>>>with your populist views post from prison in that delusional,
>>>>>>>sound deadened cranium of yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like you are in solitary confinement.  Which state is your
>>>>>>prison in?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>DUH!!! State, you fuckin' arsewipe? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
>>>>>OK, look, my mum was there, my dad was there, my
>>>>>sisters, brothers, uncles, grandparents were all there, hey,
>>>>>even the fuckin' dog was banged up. Satisfied now?
>>>>>
>>>>><Turns to group>
>>>>>For the next couple of weeks now, gayclown, will still
>>>>>use the word "prison" in every one of his post to
>>>>>Kobayashi in the belief he's mortifyingly wounding.
>>>>>
>>>>><snigger>
>>>>>
>>>>><gayclown>
>>>>>You have until Monday morning to make the most of it.
>>>>><wait for the lame>
>>>>
>>>>So, you're in the slammer eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tough titty.
>>>
>>>
>>>That'll be joggers Nipple for you, from being bounced
>>>around by your friends the sodomites.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hope you enjoy the bulls in there.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do you know so much about that, gayclown?
>>>
>>
>>Because you are in there already.
>>It shows.
> 
> 
> Only a dickhead like you could come up with nonsensical,
> ineffectual and lame drivel like that. You're the master at it. 
>  
> 
>>>>Guffaw!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>So, that's the best you could come up with from the
>>>admission you sought, ya duff cunt, eh?
>>>
>>>PMSL at you.
>>>
>>
>>XYZUYA at you.
>>
>>
>>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
>>>
>>>I will plonk you if you don't improve and your
>>>lame repertoire remains the same. Your choice.
>>>
>>
>>Plonk away.  Doubt that you'd stay away tho.
> 
> 
> Doubt is all you have old man, it comes with your domain.
> 
> *plonk* _I_ _win_. <don't you wish you had done that> 
> 
> PMSL Twat < gayclown
> 
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFL LOL

Goodbye!  Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
Guffaw!