What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version 
of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:


CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
===================================================
Total: $15,782

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:44 -0400, DFS wrote:

> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
> 
> 
> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300 Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2,
> $650
> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575 Power Supply: Corsair
> AX1200, $300
> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100 SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2
> 200GB, $1480
> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400 Optical Drive: Plextor
> B940SA, $219
> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150 Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159 Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
> =================================================== Total: $15,782

nice machine. just dont hook it up to the internet with that windows toy!

On 7/30/2010 1:52 AM, voodoo wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:44 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
>> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
>>
>>
>> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
>> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300 Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2,
>> $650
>> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575 Power Supply: Corsair
>> AX1200, $300
>> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100 SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2
>> 200GB, $1480
>> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400 Optical Drive: Plextor
>> B940SA, $219
>> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150 Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
>> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159 Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
>> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
>> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
>> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
>> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
>> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
>> =================================================== Total: $15,782
>
> nice machine. just dont hook it up to the internet with that windows toy!


I notice your header doesn't show the user agent.  Wonder why?

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:59:32 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 7/30/2010 1:52 AM, voodoo wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:44 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>

>> nice machine. just dont hook it up to the internet with that windows
>> toy!
> 
> 
> I notice your header doesn't show the user agent.  Wonder why?

no idea. what kind of fake information would you like me to put in?

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On 07/29/2010 09:53 PM, DFS wrote:
> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
> 
> 
> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
> Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
> Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
> SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
> Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
> Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
> Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
> ===================================================
> Total: $15,782
> 
> 
> 

Who wants to bet that price will come down in a decade or less?

- -- 
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:MithrandirAgain
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not all those who wander are lost;
the old that is strong does not wither,
deep roots are not reached by the frost.
- From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
a light from the shadows shall spring;
renewed shall be blade that was broken,
the crownless again shall be king."
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:02:53 +0000, voodoo wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:59:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
> 
>> On 7/30/2010 1:52 AM, voodoo wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:53:44 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> nice machine. just dont hook it up to the internet with that windows
>>> toy!
>> 
>> 
>> I notice your header doesn't show the user agent.  Wonder why?
> 
> no idea. what kind of fake information would you like me to put in?

hi dfs! how do you like my new header line? its copied from mithrandirs 
post. do you think it clashes with my outfit?

HP ZR30W is good.  I have ZR22W.

On 2010-07-30, Mithrandir <mithrandiragainwiki@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> On 07/29/2010 09:53 PM, DFS wrote:
>> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
>> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
>> 
>> 
>> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
>> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
>> Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
>> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
>> Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
>> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
>> SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
>> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
>> Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
>> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
>> Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
>> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
>> Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
>> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
>> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
>> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
>> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
>> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
>> ===================================================
>> Total: $15,782
>
> Who wants to bet that price will come down in a decade or less?

According to the top 500 computing sites, Linux makes up 80% of the top
500 supercomputers....

http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os

Windows makes up 1%

Who runs the *real* crapware OS?

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> writes:

> On 2010-07-30, Mithrandir <mithrandiragainwiki@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/29/2010 09:53 PM, DFS wrote:
>>> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
>>> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
>>> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
>>> Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
>>> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
>>> Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
>>> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
>>> SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
>>> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
>>> Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
>>> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
>>> Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
>>> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
>>> Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
>>> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
>>> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
>>> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
>>> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
>>> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
>>> ===================================================
>>> Total: $15,782
>>
>> Who wants to bet that price will come down in a decade or less?
>
> According to the top 500 computing sites, Linux makes up 80% of the top
> 500 supercomputers....
>
> http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os
>
> Windows makes up 1%
>
> Who runs the *real* crapware OS?

And according to you Linux doesn't support your ten year old VGA card
.....


Whoops!

Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> writes:
>
>> According to the top 500 computing sites, Linux makes up 80% of the top
>> 500 supercomputers....
>>
>> http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os
>>
>> Windows makes up 1%
>> Who runs the *real* crapware OS?
>
> And according to you Linux doesn't support your ten year old VGA card
> ....
>
> Whoops!

Indeed.  That's not what Greg said.  He clearly stated he found
that nVidia did indeed update the legacy driver.  He was a happy camper!

Why the lie, guy?

-- 
  Goes (Went) over like a lead balloon.

On 2010-07-30, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:
>
>> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> writes:
>>
>>> According to the top 500 computing sites, Linux makes up 80% of the top
>>> 500 supercomputers....
>>>
>>> http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os
>>>
>>> Windows makes up 1%
>>> Who runs the *real* crapware OS?
>>
>> And according to you Linux doesn't support your ten year old VGA card
>> ....
>>
>> Whoops!
>
> Indeed.  That's not what Greg said.  He clearly stated he found
> that nVidia did indeed update the legacy driver.  He was a happy camper!
>
> Why the lie, guy?
>

Because the troll can't help itself.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Hadron quacked:
>
>> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> writes:
>>
>>> According to the top 500 computing sites, Linux makes up 80% of the top
>>> 500 supercomputers....
>>>
>>> http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os
>>>
>>> Windows makes up 1%
>>> Who runs the *real* crapware OS?
>>
>> And according to you Linux doesn't support your ten year old VGA card
>> ....
>>
>> Whoops!

Wow, even if that were true, what a weak attack on Linux that is,
"true Linux advocate" Hadron Quack.

Why do you hate Linux so much, "Hadron"?

>Indeed.  That's not what Greg said.  He clearly stated he found
>that nVidia did indeed update the legacy driver.  He was a happy camper!
>
>Why the lie, guy?

Larry *loves* to lie.  He *enjoys* being an asshole.

-- 
'Elsewhere in this thread Snit had to actually explain to TomB WHY
having "." on your path (especially as root of course) is dangerous.'
-  Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7ri5561i0osdg24g478tupapbrpve1g3ae@4ax.com...
>
> Larry *loves* to lie.  He *enjoys* being an asshole.
>


chrisv is a asshole liar. chrisv is a piece of shit.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Hadron quacked:
>>
>>> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> According to the top 500 computing sites, Linux makes up 80% of the top
>>>> 500 supercomputers....
>>>>
>>>> http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os
>>>>
>>>> Windows makes up 1%
>>>> Who runs the *real* crapware OS?
>>>
>>> And according to you Linux doesn't support your ten year old VGA card
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Whoops!
>
> Wow, even if that were true, what a weak attack on Linux that is,
> "true Linux advocate" Hadron Quack.

What attack on Linux?

WTF are you talking about?

>
> Why do you hate Linux so much, "Hadron"?

Are you retarded or merely stupid? WHAT attack on Linux?

>
>>Indeed.  That's not what Greg said.  He clearly stated he found
>>that nVidia did indeed update the legacy driver.  He was a happy camper!
>>
>>Why the lie, guy?

What lie? There was a WHOLE THREAD dedicated to it. You cant blame me if
he then discovered something new.

What part of "And according to you" eludes you?

>
> Larry *loves* to lie.  He *enjoys* being an asshole.

What are you talking about? What lie?

Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>
>> Wow, even if that were true, what a weak attack on Linux that is,
>> "true Linux advocate" Hadron Quack.
>
> What attack on Linux?
> WTF are you talking about?
>
>>>Indeed.  That's not what Greg said.  He clearly stated he found
>>>that nVidia did indeed update the legacy driver.  He was a happy camper!
>>>
>>>Why the lie, guy?
>
> What lie? There was a WHOLE THREAD dedicated to it. You cant blame me if
> he then discovered something new.

I can sure blame "Hadron" if he disregards part of the thread in order to
be able to lie.

-- 
No, that'd be silly.
		-- Larry Wall in <199710221710.KAA24242@wall.org>
No, that'd be "Hadron"
      -- Chris Ahlstrom in this post

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Hadron quacked:
>
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Wow, even if that were true, what a weak attack on Linux that is,
>>> "true Linux advocate" Hadron Quack.
>>
>> What attack on Linux?
>> WTF are you talking about?

<drool> <slobber>  
What attack on Linux?  WTF are you talking about?
</drool></slobber>

Disrupting Linux advocacy (ignoring the point about Linux on
supercomputers, to inject your anti-Linux idiocy) is one of the many
ways your serve you masters in Redmond, Larry.

>> What lie? There was a WHOLE THREAD dedicated to it. You cant blame me if
>> he then discovered something new.
>
>I can sure blame "Hadron" if he disregards part of the thread in order to
>be able to lie.

"Hadron" is a liar.  "Hadron" is a POS.

-- 
"All samples are biased : on one direction or or the other. It IS
inevitable. Now, don't embarrass yourself anymore than you have to."
-  Hadron Quark, embarrassing himself

chrisv "boring molly-boy; weirdo; intellectually outclassed by dead
sheep" clanged

> Chrubis Ubahlstrubom wrubotube:
>
>> Hadron quacked:
>>
>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Wow, even if that were true, what a weak attack on Linux that is,
>>>> "true Linux advocate" Hadron Quack.
>>>
>>> What attack on Linux?
>>> WTF are you talking about?
>
> <druboubol<slubobbuberWhubat ubattuback ubon Lubinubux?  WTF ubarube
> yuboubu tubalkubing ubabuboubut? </druboubol></slubobbuber>
>
> Dubisrubuptubing Lubinubux ubadvubocubacy (ubignuborubing thube
> puboubint ubabuboubut Lubinubux ubon subupubercubompubutubers, tubo
> ubinjubect yuboubur ubantubi-Lubinubux ubidubiubocy) ubis ubonube
> ubof thube mubany wubays yuboubur subervube yuboubu mubastubers ubin
> Rubedmubond, Lubarry.
>

-- 
Corn-Fed Carp Ragout with Oiled-Up Stinging Nettles

Critter-Stuffed Coon Ragout in a Hubcap of Sorghum

Country Fried Dove Fricassee with Bourbon South Carolina Heelsplitter

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Hadron quacked:
>>
>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Wow, even if that were true, what a weak attack on Linux that is,
>>>> "true Linux advocate" Hadron Quack.
>>>
>>> What attack on Linux?
>>> WTF are you talking about?
>
> <drool> <slobber>  
> What attack on Linux?  WTF are you talking about?
> </drool></slobber>
>
> Disrupting Linux advocacy (ignoring the point about Linux on
> supercomputers, to inject your anti-Linux idiocy) is one of the many
> ways your serve you masters in Redmond, Larry.

What are you talking about you idiot? It was Shearman drooling about how
some antiquated video card isnt properly supported under Linux.

Can you read?

>
>>> What lie? There was a WHOLE THREAD dedicated to it. You cant blame me if
>>> he then discovered something new.
>>
>>I can sure blame "Hadron" if he disregards part of the thread in order to
>>be able to lie.

What are you talking about Creepy? Once more : Shearman claimed it. Not
me. Later corrections doesn't change the claim.

What lie? WTF are you talking about?

Every time I think you might have become a little saner you turn into
the arse sniffing little sycophant once more.

>
> "Hadron" is a liar.  "Hadron" is a POS.

You two girls need to remember most of us dont run super computers. In
fact both of you rely on and work on Windows at work.

Your hypocrisy stinks.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:45:53 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:


>Indeed.  That's not what Greg said.  He clearly stated he found
>that nVidia did indeed update the legacy driver.  He was a happy camper!

Greg?
First name basis already?
Have you two been properly introduced?
Maybe Marti will do the "on her's".

Your other master is gone for a week or so and you have already found
another skirt to crawl up.

Pathetic Liarmutt.

The Hooded Plumber <dimethalchrystalexiter@fakeee.org> writes:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:45:53 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
> <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>>Indeed.  That's not what Greg said.  He clearly stated he found
>>that nVidia did indeed update the legacy driver.  He was a happy camper!
>
> Greg?
> First name basis already?
> Have you two been properly introduced?
> Maybe Marti will do the "on her's".
>
> Your other master is gone for a week or so and you have already found
> another skirt to crawl up.
>
> Pathetic Liarmutt.


Isn't he. He is also a liar. "Greg" did indeed say that.

In fact here is a direct quote:-

,----
| Up until this year nvidia support for my graphics card (nVidia MX440)
| has been excellent. The card is now over 10 years old and nvidia is no
| longer spending its resources in its direction. I suppose that's a
| commercial reality and another nail in the coffin of proprietary
| software.
`----

The fact that LATER there was an update is immaterial. This IS what Greg
said. And Ahlstrom is simply a dishonest liar trying to suck up as
usual. And he wonders why he's called Liarsuck!

Frankly his constant sucking up and need to loved by morons like
"chrisv" gives me the creeps.

On 7/30/2010 2:29 AM, Mithrandir wrote:
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 07/29/2010 09:53 PM, DFS wrote:
>> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
>> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
>>
>>
>> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
>> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
>> Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
>> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
>> Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
>> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
>> SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
>> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
>> Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
>> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
>> Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
>> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
>> Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
>> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
>> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
>> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
>> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
>> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
>> ===================================================
>> Total: $15,782
>>
>>
>>
>
> Who wants to bet that price will come down in a decade or less?


I guess you're being sarcastic.  A year from now it will cost probably 
15% less.  The CPU, graphics and SSD are your high-priced, most rapidly 
obsoleting pieces.

In 10 years maybe $1000 (excepting display monitors).

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/home/history_dream_how_ultimate_pc_has_evolved_15_years


A system beating the DM 2000 would cost about $100 today (w/o display).

http://tinyurl.com/2debxoa
or
http://books.google.com/books?id=5gEAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT43&lpg=PT43&dq=Maximum+PC+dream+machine+2000&source=bl&ots=TmrLzs-tY8&sig=pgL1tZH3-rLSF7wijKAzHYDSDcI&hl=en&ei=XXVSTO3fM8T58Aa_qeTfBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Maximum%20PC%20dream%20machine%202000&f=false

On 7/30/2010 3:25 AM, Gregory Shearman wrote:
> On 2010-07-30, Mithrandir<mithrandiragainwiki@mailinator.com>  wrote:
>>
>> On 07/29/2010 09:53 PM, DFS wrote:
>>> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
>>> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
>>>
>>>
>>> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
>>> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
>>> Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
>>> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
>>> Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
>>> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
>>> SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
>>> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
>>> Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
>>> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
>>> Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
>>> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
>>> Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
>>> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
>>> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
>>> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
>>> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
>>> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
>>> ===================================================
>>> Total: $15,782
>>
>> Who wants to bet that price will come down in a decade or less?
>
> According to the top 500 computing sites, Linux makes up 80% of the top
> 500 supercomputers....
>
> http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os
>
> Windows makes up 1%
>
> Who runs the *real* crapware OS?


Left side of Linux scum mouth: "1% usage share on personal computers 
doesn't mean Linux is crapware"

Right side of Linux scum mouth: "1% usage share on powerful computers 
does mean Windows is crapware"

On 7/30/2010 11:17 AM, chrisv wrote:

> Disrupting Linux advocacy (ignoring the point about Linux on
> supercomputers, to inject your anti-Linux idiocy) is one of the many
> ways your serve you masters in Redmond, Larry.


The point is not about Linux on supercomputers, shithead.  The point is 
MaximumPC magazine refused to use the Linux crapware operating system on 
the most powerful PC they could build.

chrisv posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> -- 
> "All samples are biased : on one direction or or the other. It IS
> inevitable. Now, don't embarrass yourself anymore than you have to."
> -  Hadron Quark, embarrassing himself

A classic blunder from the LHC -- confusing sampling bias with sampling
variance.

Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> writes:
>
>>>I can sure blame "Hadron" if he disregards part of the thread in order to
>>>be able to lie.
>
> What are you talking about Creepy? Once more : Shearman claimed it. Not
> me. Later corrections doesn't change the claim.

Later corrections should certainly cause you to do one of three things:

   1. Shut up about it.
   2. If you can't shut up about it, at least portray the situation the way
      it happened, stating both the initial claim and the final claim.

> Every time I think you might have become a little saner you turn into
> the arse sniffing little sycophant once more.

Whatever, dude.  At least I don't suffer from illogic and bile.

-- 
You have a strong desire for a home and your family interests come first.

On 2010-07-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version 
> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
>
>
> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
> Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
> Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
> SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
> Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
> Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
> Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
>===================================================
> Total: $15,782

That would make a great asset in one of the many botnets out there.
Hell, it could be deployed in many at the same time without the user
even noticing it!

-- 
BOFH excuse #245:

The Borg tried to assimilate your system. Resistance is futile.

Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> Isn't he. He is also a liar. "Greg" did indeed say that.

Never said he did not say that.

> In fact here is a direct quote:-
>
> ,----
>| Up until this year nvidia support for my graphics card (nVidia MX440)
>| has been excellent. The card is now over 10 years old and nvidia is no
>| longer spending its resources in its direction. I suppose that's a
>| commercial reality and another nail in the coffin of proprietary
>| software.
> `----
>
> The fact that LATER there was an update is immaterial.

This, "Hadron", is what makes you a liar.

   1. Ignoring Greg's correction.  Even when reminded out it.
   2. Claiming that my pointing out Greg's correction is the same thing
      as saying he never made the first claim.

> This IS what Greg said. And Ahlstrom is simply a dishonest liar trying to
> suck up as usual. And he wonders why he's called Liarsuck!
>
> Frankly his constant sucking up and need to loved by morons like
> "chrisv" gives me the creeps.

Too bad that you and your hooded friend specialize in snipping parts of the
story, in order to create a lie, and then act as if that lie is fact.
And then lather over-the-top insults on top of.

Layer upon layer of confabulation and lies, insults and bile, Larry.

Why do you do it, when you are proven to be wrong and wrong-headed every
time?

-- 
It's all in the mind, ya know.

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:51:37 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom
<ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:


>Later corrections should certainly cause you to do one of three things:
>
>   1. Shut up about it.
>   2. If you can't shut up about it, at least portray the situation the way
>      it happened, stating both the initial claim and the final claim.

We will keep that in mind when you Linturds drag up Erik's blunders
for which he apologized.

>Whatever, dude.  At least I don't suffer from illogic and bile.

Paritally true.
In your case, Liarmutt, it's mostly pure stupidity and creepy
behavior.

On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/30/2010 11:17 AM, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Disrupting Linux advocacy (ignoring the point about Linux on
>> supercomputers, to inject your anti-Linux idiocy) is one of the many
>> ways your serve you masters in Redmond, Larry.
>
>
> The point is not about Linux on supercomputers, shithead.  The point is 
> MaximumPC magazine refused to use the Linux crapware operating system on 
> the most powerful PC they could build.

    So?

    That's by no means the powerful PC they could build.

    It's a nice overpriced desktop though.

-- 
    ...of course if you are forced against your will to use Windows in    |||
the day time your bound to have a lot to vent about in the evening.      / | \

JEDIDIAH wrote:

> troll:
>>
>> The point is 
>> MaximumPC magazine refused to use the Linux crapware operating system on 
>> the most powerful PC they could build.

Oh, my.  "MaximumPC", you say?  I *am* impressed!  Do they have a
centerfold that pimple-faced geeks can whack-off to?   :-D

>    So?
>
>    That's by no means the powerful PC they could build.
>
>    It's a nice overpriced desktop though.

Windwoes is still quite "popular" on desktop PC's, no doubt.

Too bad that M$ is getting their asses kicked, everywhere else...   

 :-D

-- 
"You see 0.3 to 0.6 as a serious threat to a company who has more than
90% of the market as a threat? FFS. Get real."  -  "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster with a big girlie butt
pounding the sock DFS wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil
Traffic Light Department of Marketing:

> What, you think they would waste their time trying to make any version
> of Linux crapware install and run on a beast of a machine like this:
> 
> 
> CPU: 2 Intel Xeon X5680, $3326
> RAM: 24GB Corsair Dominator DDR3/1600, $1300
> Mobo: EVGA Classified SR-2, $650
> Graphics: 3 EVGA GTX 480 Superclocked, $1575
> Power Supply: Corsair AX1200, $300
> Power Supply: Thermaltake Power Express 450W, $100
> SSD: 2 OCZ Vertex 2 200GB, $1480
> Hard disks: 2 Western Digital 2TB Caviar, $400
> Optical Drive: Plextor B940SA, $219
> Sound card: Auzentech X-Fi Forte, $150
> Case: Mountain Mods U2-UFO, $600
> Cooling: Danger Den Custom Liquid Cooling, $1159
> Bezels: MNPCTech, $205
> Keyboard: Microsoft X6, $58
> Mouse: Mad Catz RAT 7, $100
> Fan Bay: NZXT Sentry LX, $80
> Monitor: 3 HP ZR30w, $3,900
> OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, $180
> ===================================================
> Total: $15,782


And it still can't beat Linux for security or speed.

Wingnuts like DFS like to asstroturf in Linux advocacy
newsgroups with their windummy toys.

Windopws can never beat Linux.

On my 800MHz 250Mb RAM Linux machine I can do this:

Download a 2Gb file from network to hard disk,
at the same time, I can read from the same hard disk,
and burn 14,000 files totalling 2Gb
data on to DVD, and at the same time, I can play
uninterrupted MP3 music.

J J ju just to let you kn kno know, wind wind windwoes
cannot do this without without stam stam stammering and stu
stu stuttering and take a lot longer than my Linux
machine compared to dfs loose screw who spent $15,782
chasing dreams. Had he done Linux this would never have
happened. A lesson to all windummies and appile retards
that follow in the footsteps of appil fan maid DFS
and usenet commercial spammer DFS sock.

On 7/30/2010 3:39 PM, chrisv wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> troll:
>>>
>>> The point is
>>> MaximumPC magazine refused to use the Linux crapware operating system on
>>> the most powerful PC they could build.
>
> Oh, my.  "MaximumPC", you say?  I *am* impressed!  Do they have a
> centerfold that pimple-faced geeks can whack-off to?   :-D

Where's your geek heart, turd?

Maximum PC is the best computer mag out there.  CPU is pretty good, too.




>>     So?
>>
>>     That's by no means the powerful PC they could build.
>>
>>     It's a nice overpriced desktop though.
>
> Windwoes is still quite "popular" on desktop PC's, no doubt.

The ONLY reason you or any of the other drooling Linux "advocates" are here.





> Too bad that M$ is getting their asses kicked, everywhere else...
>
>   :-D


Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in 
$ sales, unit sales, and usage share.

And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where 
they have ~95% installed base.

And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes 
MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.

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On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in 
> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>
> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where 
> they have ~95% installed base.
>
> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes 
> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.

The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.

- -- 
Best regards,
Ed http://www.s5h.net/
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Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:

> On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
>> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>>
>> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
>> they have ~95% installed base.
>>
>> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes
>> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.
>
> The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ed http://www.s5h.net/
>
>
>
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---

Try google. It's new but its good.

DFS is correct.

On 2010-07-30, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:
>
>> On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
>>> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>>>
>>> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
>>> they have ~95% installed base.
>>>
>>> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes
>>> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.
>>
>> The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Ed http://www.s5h.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
>
> Try google. It's new but its good.
>
> DFS is correct.

And a google of the reverse also yields many positive results.

-- 
Best regards,
Ed http://www.s5h.net/

On 2010-07-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:

> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>
> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
> they have ~95% installed base.
>
> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes 
> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.

I'm currently auditing an infrastructure where all webservers are
GNU/Linux machines (apache and tomcat), using Windows machines with
MS-SQL as their back-end. Their SAN is some proprietary
solution with several NAS heads (running GNU/Linux as well) serving up
the data. Firewalls and load balancers are also proprietary solutions.
Their entire IT department runs GNU/Linux on their desktops. The other
departments use Windows XP/Vista.

So much stuff mixed and matched, proprietary and free, but it works
like a single coordinated unit. That's modern IT for you.

-- 
BOFH excuse #121:

halon system went off and killed the operators.

On 7/30/2010 5:51 PM, Ed wrote:
> On 2010-07-30, Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Ed<ed-newsgroups@s5h.net>  writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-07-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
>>>> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>>>>
>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
>>>> they have ~95% installed base.
>>>>
>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes
>>>> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.
>>>
>>> The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Ed http://www.s5h.net/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
>>
>> Try google. It's new but its good.
>>
>> DFS is correct.
>
> And a google of the reverse also yields many positive results.


Your "positive results" come from Linux bloggers.  Mine come from 
independent research firms.

Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:

> On 2010-07-30, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
>>>> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>>>>
>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
>>>> they have ~95% installed base.
>>>>
>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes
>>>> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.
>>>
>>> The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Ed http://www.s5h.net/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
>>
>> Try google. It's new but its good.
>>
>> DFS is correct.
>
> And a google of the reverse also yields many positive results.


No it doesn't.

MS SQL is massive in industry.

That aside your comment about his article being "completely rubbish" is
plainly garbage.

7 posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> Download a 2Gb file from network to hard disk,
> at the same time, I can read from the same hard disk,
> and burn 14,000 files totalling 2Gb
> data on to DVD, and at the same time, I can play
> uninterrupted MP3 music.
>
> J J ju just to let you kn kno know, wind wind windwoes
> cannot do this without without stam stam stammering and stu
> stu stuttering and take a lot longer than my Linux
> machine compared to dfs loose screw who spent $15,782
> chasing dreams. Had he done Linux this would never have
> happened. A lesson to all windummies and appile retards
> that follow in the footsteps of appil fan maid DFS
> and usenet commercial spammer DFS sock.

LOL.

Reminds me of hearing news stories glitch on NPR, obviously
digitized on a Windows box.

-- 
.... of course, this probably only happens for tcsh which uses wait4(),
which is why I never saw it.  Serves people who use that abomination
right 8^)
		-- Linus Torvalds, about a patch that fixes getrusage for 1.3.26

Hadron posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> MS SQL is massive in industry.

So is Oracle.

And why did Oracle bother hanging on to MySQL?  To fill in the low-end
niche as competition for MS SQL Server?

-- 
Optimism is the content of small men in high places.
		-- F. Scott Fitzgerald, "The Crack Up"

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:42:33 +0000, voodoo wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:02:53 +0000, voodoo wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:59:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>> 

>>> 
>>> 
>>> I notice your header doesn't show the user agent.  Wonder why?
>> 
>> no idea. what kind of fake information would you like me to put in?
> 
> hi dfs! how do you like my new header line? its copied from mithrandirs
> post. do you think it clashes with my outfit?

hi again dfs. you didnt say anything about that last user agent. maybe it 
was too tacky? anyway here is a new one. hope you like it.

toodles!

On 7/30/2010 10:14 PM, voodoo wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:42:33 +0000, voodoo wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:02:53 +0000, voodoo wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:59:32 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I notice your header doesn't show the user agent.  Wonder why?
>>>
>>> no idea. what kind of fake information would you like me to put in?
>>
>> hi dfs! how do you like my new header line? its copied from mithrandirs
>> post. do you think it clashes with my outfit?
>
> hi again dfs. you didnt say anything about that last user agent. maybe it
> was too tacky? anyway here is a new one. hope you like it.
>
> toodles!


You're a strange case, fella.  How about you just show us a screen print 
of your Usenet client?

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On 07/30/2010 09:52 AM, DFS wrote:
> 
> I guess you're being sarcastic. 
> (snip)


I wasn't being sarcastic.

- -- 
People should read more.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/User:MithrandirAgain
"All that is gold does not glitter,
not all those who wander are lost;
the old that is strong does not wither,
deep roots are not reached by the frost.
- From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
a light from the shadows shall spring;
renewed shall be blade that was broken,
the crownless again shall be king."

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:54 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:

>On 7/30/2010 10:14 PM, voodoo wrote:

>> toodles!
>
>
>You're a strange case, fella.  How about you just show us a screen print 
>of your Usenet client?

You're going to have to explain to him how to do it :(

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:10:26 -0400, The Hooded Plumber wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:54 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> 
>>On 7/30/2010 10:14 PM, voodoo wrote:
> 
>>> toodles!
>>
>>
>>You're a strange case, fella.  How about you just show us a screen print
>>of your Usenet client?
> 
> You're going to have to explain to him how to do it :(

yeah. what button do i push?

On 2010-07-30, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
> Layer upon layer of confabulation and lies, insults and bile, Larry.
>
> Why do you do it, when you are proven to be wrong and wrong-headed every
> time?
>

Killfile the cunt.

-- 
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

On 2010-07-31, the following emerged from the brain of voodoo:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:10:26 -0400, The Hooded Plumber wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:54 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>On 7/30/2010 10:14 PM, voodoo wrote:
>> 
>>>> toodles!
>>>
>>>
>>>You're a strange case, fella.  How about you just show us a screen print
>>>of your Usenet client?
>> 
>> You're going to have to explain to him how to do it :(
>
> yeah. what button do i push?

You will have to tell us the brand and model of your camera first.

-- 
BOFH excuse #3:

electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris

On 31 Jul 2010 06:34:00 GMT, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2010-07-31, the following emerged from the brain of voodoo:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:10:26 -0400, The Hooded Plumber wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:54 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On 7/30/2010 10:14 PM, voodoo wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> toodles!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're a strange case, fella.  How about you just show us a screen print
>>>>of your Usenet client?
>>> 
>>> You're going to have to explain to him how to do it :(
>>
>> yeah. what button do i push?
>
>You will have to tell us the brand and model of your camera first.

Snicker :)

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:34:00 +0000, TomB wrote:

> On 2010-07-31, the following emerged from the brain of voodoo:
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:10:26 -0400, The Hooded Plumber wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:15:54 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On 7/30/2010 10:14 PM, voodoo wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> toodles!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're a strange case, fella.  How about you just show us a screen
>>>>print of your Usenet client?
>>> 
>>> You're going to have to explain to him how to do it :(
>>
>> yeah. what button do i push?
> 
> You will have to tell us the brand and model of your camera first.

i dunno. its from walgreens. lifetime supply of film they said. they 
develop the film and put a free new roll back in.

where should i mail the print?

Gregory Shearman posted this message in ROT13 encoding:

> On 2010-07-30, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>> Layer upon layer of confabulation and lies, insults and bile, Larry.
>>
>> Why do you do it, when you are proven to be wrong and wrong-headed every
>> time?
>
> Killfile the cunt.

Maybe later.  I enjoy toying with the bastard.  Great straight-man.

-- 
Reporter (to Mahatma Gandhi): Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western
	Civilization?
Gandhi:	I think it would be a good idea.

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On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> On 7/30/2010 5:51 PM, Ed wrote:
>> On 2010-07-30, Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Ed<ed-newsgroups@s5h.net>  writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-07-30, DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
>>>>> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>>>>>
>>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
>>>>> they have ~95% installed base.
>>>>>
>>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes
>>>>> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.
>>>>
>>>> The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Ed http://www.s5h.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
>>>
>>> Try google. It's new but its good.
>>>
>>> DFS is correct.
>>
>> And a google of the reverse also yields many positive results.
>
>
> Your "positive results" come from Linux bloggers.  Mine come from 
> independent research firms.

Although the positive results don't come from linux bloggers, a linux
blogger is an independent researcher writing his or her account of
events which they experience.

A research firm on the other hand isn't independent, they're a paid for
organisation, so they simply write what their paying readers want to
read, be it from advertising revenue or dead tree.

- -- 
Best regards,
Ed http://www.s5h.net/
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On 2010-07-30, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:
>
>> On 2010-07-30, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
>>>>> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>>>>>
>>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
>>>>> they have ~95% installed base.
>>>>>
>>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes
>>>>> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.
>>>>
>>>> The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Ed http://www.s5h.net/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
>>>
>>> Try google. It's new but its good.
>>>
>>> DFS is correct.
>>
>> And a google of the reverse also yields many positive results.
>
> No it doesn't.
>
> MS SQL is massive in industry.
>
> That aside your comment about his article being "completely rubbish" is
> plainly garbage.

Not at all. MS SQL has some use in the SOHO market but as soon as you
want resilience it chokes as it simply can't do master/slave at all
well. MS SQL is just sybase without any improvement since it was taken.
Oracle on the other hand is a descent database.

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On 7/30/2010 10:54 PM, Mithrandir wrote:
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>> I guess you're being sarcastic.
>> (snip)
>
>
> I wasn't being sarcastic.


huh?  You were being serious with the "Who wants to bet that price will 
come down in a decade or less?"?

You must not follow the PC hardware market, where prices drop by ~10% a 
year for the last 20 years (adjusted for performance of course).

On 2010-07-31, Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> wrote:
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>
>
> On 2010-07-30, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 2010-07-30, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Ed <ed-newsgroups@s5h.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-07-30, DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Well, "everywhere else"...except on servers where it dominates Linux in
>>>>>> $ sales, unit sales, and usage share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for office productivity software, where
>>>>>> they have ~95% installed base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And "everywhere else"...except for RDBMS software, where it makes
>>>>>> MySQL/PostgreSQL cry.
>>>>>
>>>>> The above is completely rubbish and lacking any reliable evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Ed http://www.s5h.net/
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Try google. It's new but its good.
>>>>
>>>> DFS is correct.
>>>
>>> And a google of the reverse also yields many positive results.
>>
>> No it doesn't.
>>
>> MS SQL is massive in industry.
>>
>> That aside your comment about his article being "completely rubbish" is
>> plainly garbage.
>
> Not at all. MS SQL has some use in the SOHO market but as soon as you
> want resilience it chokes as it simply can't do master/slave at all
> well. MS SQL is just sybase without any improvement since it was taken.
> Oracle on the other hand is a descent database.

     MS SQL is pushed by stupid PHBs that are taken in by Microsoft marketing.
Microsoft is great at sales. Hoewever, their product tends to fall down badly
when it comes time to scale.

     Then they install Oracle.

     MS SQL is just pushed by shops that are already fixated on Microsoft.
It's usually just an attempt to pound a square peg into a round hole without
any regard for the products or the requirements of the project.

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hmm...i use both windows 7 and linux, and i haven't had any problems with either. i love them both. the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and software run on windows, but thats why there's wine. :) neither linux nor windows is crapware. its the user. the only os that truly sucks is mac os x. 

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On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
 > i love them both.

I use both too.

> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and software run on windows, 

I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
Linux has MORE software available than Windows.


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emlee0203 wrote:

>hmm...i use both windows 7 and linux, and i haven't had any problems with either. i love them both. the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and software run on windows, but thats why there's wine. :) neither linux nor windows is crapware. its the user. the only os that truly sucks is mac os x. 

Hmm...  As useful as they are, I don't "love" any of my tools.  And
MacOS is a fine choice, for some segments of the market.

On 8/3/2010 4:34 AM, Gordon wrote:
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> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>   >  i love them both.
>
> I use both too.
>
>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and software run on windows,
>
> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.


You're amazing, Gortard.  You literally cannot open your mouth without 
making blatantly wrong statements.

Gordon <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> writes:

> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>  > i love them both.
>
> I use both too.
>
>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and software run on windows,
>
> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.
>
>

It is astonishing that you seem unable to post without being totally and
utterly incorrect.

How on EARTH do you figure that??????????????????????

DFS is going to have a field day with you Gortard.

DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> On 8/3/2010 4:34 AM, Gordon wrote:
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>> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>>   >  i love them both.
>>
>> I use both too.
>>
>>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and software run on windows,
>>
>> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
>> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.
>
> You're amazing, Gortard.  You literally cannot open your mouth without 
> making blatantly wrong statements.

aha. You did spot the latest Gortard gaff.

On 8/3/2010 9:06 AM, Hadron wrote:
> DFS<nospam@dfs_.com>  writes:
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>> On 8/3/2010 4:34 AM, Gordon wrote:
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>>> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>>>    >   i love them both.
>>>
>>> I use both too.
>>>
>>>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and software run on windows,
>>>
>>> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
>>> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.
>>
>> You're amazing, Gortard.  You literally cannot open your mouth without
>> making blatantly wrong statements.
>
> aha. You did spot the latest Gortard gaff.


I'm not going to waste my time proving it to him; he'll discover it for 
himself if he cares to understand the world.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:32 +0100, Gordon wrote:

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> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>  > i love them both.
> 
> I use both too.
> 
>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and
>> software run on windows,
> 
> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.

hi gordon. what do you do with computers that so few windows programs are 
suitable for your purpose?

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On 03/08/10 15:30, voodoo wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:32 +0100, Gordon wrote:
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>> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>>  > i love them both.
>>
>> I use both too.
>>
>>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and
>>> software run on windows,
>>
>> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
>> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.
> 
> hi gordon. what do you do with computers that so few windows programs are 
> suitable for your purpose?

Now where did I say that?
In fact I dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
What I *did* say was, that I suspect that there are MORE applications
available for Linux than there are for Windows. I don't know how many
are in the Ubuntu repositories - several thousand I should think, plus
all the others that exist outside of the repositories..

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On 2010-08-03, Gordon <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> On 03/08/10 15:30, voodoo wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:32 +0100, Gordon wrote:
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>>> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>>>  > i love them both.
>>>
>>> I use both too.
>>>
>>>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and
>>>> software run on windows,
>>>
>>> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
>>> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.
>> 
>> hi gordon. what do you do with computers that so few windows programs are 
>> suitable for your purpose?
>
> Now where did I say that?
> In fact I dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04.
> What I *did* say was, that I suspect that there are MORE applications
> available for Linux than there are for Windows. I don't know how many

    I dunno.

    There is so much obscure crap made for DOS and Windows that no one
here ever heard of that your claim is probably unsupportable. It makes
for a nice tweak of the Lemmings though... '-)

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On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:57:20 +0100, Gordon wrote:

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> On 03/08/10 15:30, voodoo wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:34:32 +0100, Gordon wrote:
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>>> On 03/08/10 09:30, emlee0203 wrote:
>>>  > i love them both.
>>>
>>> I use both too.
>>>
>>>> the only disadvantage that linux has as of now is that most games and
>>>> software run on windows,
>>>
>>> I don't know about games because I don't do them but I would say that
>>> Linux has MORE software available than Windows.
>> 
>> hi gordon. what do you do with computers that so few windows programs
>> are suitable for your purpose?
> 
> Now where did I say that?

you did not. human language is squishy and inexact. we all bring our own 
assumptions when entering a conversation from a cold start. it was a 
guess.

> In fact I dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04. What I *did* say was,
> that I suspect that there are MORE applications available for Linux than
> there are for Windows. I don't know how many are in the Ubuntu
> repositories - several thousand I should think, plus all the others that
> exist outside of the repositories..

the repositories are big. fedora, suse, ubuntu, mandriva, and on and on. 
some of that size is illusory since the application you really want will 
pick up many dependencies for libraries and support utilities along the 
way. also some of those listed programs are duplicates, same situation as 
in the windows marketplace. there seem to be many windows virus checkers 
for instance.

on the windows side there are many application programs that never see 
the consumer market. my eye doctor has a new machine (powered by windows) 
that checks some kind of eye degeneration. nothing complicated, it 
flashes a horizontal or vertical line on the screen with one wiggly spot. 
the patient touches the screen where the wiggle was. nothing windows 
specific, linux and perl/python/tcl-tk could easily handle it. but it is 
a windows application, not built for linux. lots of stuff out there like 
that.

leaving aside games and specialty industry oriented applications, the gap 
gets a lot closer, still not enough. there is a windows program at my 
kids school, given away by some home builders association. it is both a 
game for kids and a tool for adults to plan a new house. there must be 
other stuff, things that you never would think of, that are windows only. 
windows will likely win this argument, just because of the dazzling array 
of markets. maybe the development environment is a factor. some people 
say the microsoft development tools are super easy to use.

all these little programs would work just as well, with no speed 
degradation visible to the user, if they were written in perl-tk or some 
other transportable language. it would be interesting to know the program 
code size, development time, maintainability, and modification data for 
projects in c, c++, perl, and others.