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http://news.cnet.com/new-mac-minis-still-too-expensive/ March 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST New Mac Minis: Still too expensive First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Mac Mini. Sort of like I've always wanted a Mini Cooper convertible. But then I take a look at the price tag and it always seems too expensive. Call me cheap, but when you're at $600 (for the entry-level Mini) you start to ask yourself: what can I get for a few hundred bucks more--aside from the step-up $799 Mac Mini? The answer is always a laptop. Now, the Mac Mini, of course, is basically a laptop without the screen. It uses laptop components. This new base system features a new 2GHz Core 2 Duo processor, the same 1GB of RAM, and a larger 120GB hard drive (see Rich Brown's full post here). The step-up model doubles the RAM and includes a 320GB drive (you really don't get $200 worth of extras for your $200, do you?). Nvidia's MCP79 chipset drives both new Mac Minis; that translates into the Nvidia GeForce 9400M graphics chip driving its display. A nice upgrade from the old model, to be sure, but it would be a lot nicer if Apple had a configuration that started at $399, not $599. I know what so many of you are about to tell me. Apple doesn't bother with low-margin products. It just wouldn't do a $399 Mac Mini. That's why it's raking it in while other PC makers are having an awfully hard time these days. I understand. I get it. But that doesn't mean I can't ask for a $399 Mac Mini. And it isn't like the Mini was flying off the shelves at $599 before, so why should it fly off them now? Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an order in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree?

On Apr 22, 7:53=A0am, "Rotten Apple" <rot...@pple.com> wrote: > http://news.cnet.com/new-mac-minis-still-too-expensive/ > > March 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST > > New Mac Minis: Still too expensive > > First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Mac Mini. First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Lear Jet. Maybe some day...

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:02:15 -0700 (PDT), Steve Carroll wrote: > On Apr 22, 7:53�am, "Rotten Apple" <rot...@pple.com> wrote: >> http://news.cnet.com/new-mac-minis-still-too-expensive/ >> >> March 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST >> >> New Mac Minis: Still too expensive >> >> First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Mac Mini. > > First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Lear Jet. Maybe some > day... Me too. Maybe we can split the cost?

"Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> writes: > http://news.cnet.com/new-mac-minis-still-too-expensive/ > > March 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST > > New Mac Minis: Still too expensive > > First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Mac Mini. Sort of like I've > always wanted a Mini Cooper convertible. But then I take a look at the price > tag and it always seems too expensive. Call me cheap, but when you're at > $600 (for the entry-level Mini) you start to ask yourself: what can I get > for a few hundred bucks more--aside from the step-up $799 Mac Mini? > The answer is always a laptop. Now, the Mac Mini, of course, is basically a > laptop without the screen. It uses laptop components. This new base system > features a new 2GHz Core 2 Duo processor, the same 1GB of RAM, and a larger > 120GB hard drive (see Rich Brown's full post here). > > The step-up model doubles the RAM and includes a 320GB drive (you really > don't get $200 worth of extras for your $200, do you?). Nvidia's MCP79 > chipset drives both new Mac Minis; that translates into the Nvidia GeForce > 9400M graphics chip driving its display. A nice upgrade from the old model, > to be sure, but it would be a lot nicer if Apple had a configuration that > started at $399, not $599. > > I know what so many of you are about to tell me. Apple doesn't bother with > low-margin products. It just wouldn't do a $399 Mac Mini. That's why it's > raking it in while other PC makers are having an awfully hard time these > days. I understand. I get it. But that doesn't mean I can't ask for a $399 > Mac Mini. And it isn't like the Mini was flying off the shelves at $599 > before, so why should it fly off them now? > > Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an order > in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? So two pretend "Apple lover" posts in a few minutes. Who do you think you are fooling? Especially when you copy it to the cesspit known as COLA.

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:53:26 UTC, "Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> wrote: -> Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an order -> in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? -> OK you are cheap. FWIW, my Mac Mini is ideal for what it is being used for. Just sits in my office and waits for me to offload video to be processed by iMovie. I don't have to baby sit it. It uses very little power unless I'm actually using it. I bought it to replace a dead iMac G5 and an ancient Dual Pentium Pro server. For me it was a great buy, but then I'm not cheap. It doesn't generate a huge amount of heat like the old generic Intel box it replaced. And no worries about viruses or spyware or how Microsoft is going to screw me out of something I paid for. So why don't you stop griping and whining and buy yourself the cheapo pc that you think is worth the $400 that you can afford. Mark -- From the eComStation 2.0 RC7 desktop of Mark Dodel Warpstock 2010 - http://www.warpstock.org Warpstock Europe 2010 - http://www.warpstock.eu

"Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> wrote in message news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-dC8hjddYb6vB@localhost... > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:53:26 UTC, "Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> > wrote: > > > -> Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an > order > -> in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? > -> > > OK you are cheap. > > FWIW, my Mac Mini is ideal for what it is being used for. Just sits > in my office and waits for me to offload video to be processed by > iMovie. http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/#/EXOverview/ http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/computer/categories/home_servers/1/accessories/FL704AA%2523ABA;HHOJSID=HcMdLQmH22fmf91ps0YG5T0mDgb8TrRyxLQFBYf4Jnzrv26Wwvcy!-387315240 HP MediaSmart Server EX490 $499.99 Automatically back up and protect your digital media with our MediaSmart Server EX490. It also lets you centralize media from multiple computers for sharing with friends and family. Easy automatic backup Automatically manage daily backup, media collection, and power management, all behind the scenes Automatically back up multiple computers, whether running Windows (via Microsoft Windows Home Server Backup) or Mac (via Apple Time Machine)1 Easily retrieve your digital music, photos, and videos; they're never lost Expand capacity internally via tool-free bays: add SATA I or II disk drives; expand externally via 4 USB and a fast eSATA port Digital media experiences Stream music, photos, and videos to TVs, gaming consoles like Xbox 360 or Playstation3, and computers in your home Eliminate the frustration of trying to play videos on different devices: they're automatically converted (including unprotected DVDs) to a format you can play in your home and remotely (e.g., Xbox 360s and PS3s) Control how videos are converted by selecting the device they'll play on, or specify the settings yourself Take videos with you the server creates a mobile version to download and play on your iPod, iPhone, PlayStation Portable, Zune or other mobile devices Enjoy music throughout your home: the server supports iTunes and Windows Media Player devices Watch your favorite movies and TV shows on your TiVo3 box, PC, or Mac Centralize your digital life Automatically centralize media from multiple computers (including files in iPhoto, iTunes, and iMovie libraries); then easily find, share with family and friends, and stream 2 Enjoy media at home or away Stream music and photos from your server to any Internet-connected computer Stream to your iPod touch or iPhone1 with the MediaSmart Server iPhone app Publish snapshots directly to Snapfish, Flickr, Picasa Web Albums, even Facebook4 via any Internet-connected computer Create albums to share; you can also designate them as "private" and limit access

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:55:22 -0700, Mark Dodel wrote (in article <cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-dC8hjddYb6vB@localhost>): > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:53:26 UTC, "Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> > wrote: > > > -> Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an order > -> in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? > -> > > OK you are cheap. > > FWIW, my Mac Mini is ideal for what it is being used for. Just sits > in my office and waits for me to offload video to be processed by > iMovie. I don't have to baby sit it. It uses very little power > unless I'm actually using it. I bought it to replace a dead iMac G5 > and an ancient Dual Pentium Pro server. For me it was a great buy, > but then I'm not cheap. It doesn't generate a huge amount of heat like > the old generic Intel box it replaced. And no worries about viruses > or spyware or how Microsoft is going to screw me out of something I > paid for. > > So why don't you stop griping and whining and buy yourself the cheapo > pc that you think is worth the $400 that you can afford. > > Mark > > Apple could do it. But guess what you'd get for your $399? No Firewire, no Bluetooth, no 802.11n wireless, possibly an Atom processor (yeccch), an 80 Gig HDD, 1 Gig of DDR2 RAM and an an 800 MHz front-side bus. IOW, a four hundred dollar PC. I'm glad that Apple doesn't play in that sandbox.

On 2010-04-22, Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Apr 22, 7:53 am, "Rotten Apple" <rot...@pple.com> wrote: >> http://news.cnet.com/new-mac-minis-still-too-expensive/ >> >> March 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST >> >> New Mac Minis: Still too expensive >> >> First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Mac Mini. > > First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Lear Jet. Maybe some > day... ....except a mac mini is in no way comparable to such a luxury item. It's more like taking the powertrain out of a Chevy and putting it in a knockoff Ferarri body. -- Apple: Power users are not welcome here. ||| / | \

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:13:43 -0500, Rotten Apple wrote: > "Mark Dodel" <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> wrote in message > news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-dC8hjddYb6vB@localhost... >> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:53:26 UTC, "Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> -> Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an >> order >> -> in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? -> >> >> OK you are cheap. >> >> FWIW, my Mac Mini is ideal for what it is being used for. Just sits in >> my office and waits for me to offload video to be processed by iMovie. > > http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/mediasmart-server/#/ EXOverview/ > > http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/computer/categories/home_servers/1/ accessories/FL704AA% 2523ABA;HHOJSID=HcMdLQmH22fmf91ps0YG5T0mDgb8TrRyxLQFBYf4Jnzrv26Wwvcy!-387315240 > > HP MediaSmart Server EX490 $499.99 > > Automatically back up and protect your digital media with our MediaSmart > Server EX490. It also lets you centralize media from multiple computers > for sharing with friends and family.(snip) What Linux distro does it run out of the box? -- Rick

On 2010-04-22, Mark Dodel <madodelNOSPAM@ptd.net> wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:53:26 UTC, "Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> > wrote: > > > -> Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an order > -> in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? > -> > > OK you are cheap. > > FWIW, my Mac Mini is ideal for what it is being used for. Just sits > in my office and waits for me to offload video to be processed by > iMovie. I don't have to baby sit it. It uses very little power > unless I'm actually using it. I bought it to replace a dead iMac G5 A Revo would probably do equally well, or some big ugly PC from Dell. [deletia] Aside from the disputable value of the OS, it is a raw deal. -- Apple: Power users are not welcome here. ||| / | \

On 2010-04-22, Fa-groon <fa-groon@mad.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:55:22 -0700, Mark Dodel wrote > (in article <cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-dC8hjddYb6vB@localhost>): > >> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:53:26 UTC, "Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> -> Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an order > >> -> in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? >> -> >> >> OK you are cheap. >> >> FWIW, my Mac Mini is ideal for what it is being used for. Just sits >> in my office and waits for me to offload video to be processed by >> iMovie. I don't have to baby sit it. It uses very little power >> unless I'm actually using it. I bought it to replace a dead iMac G5 >> and an ancient Dual Pentium Pro server. For me it was a great buy, >> but then I'm not cheap. It doesn't generate a huge amount of heat like >> the old generic Intel box it replaced. And no worries about viruses >> or spyware or how Microsoft is going to screw me out of something I >> paid for. >> >> So why don't you stop griping and whining and buy yourself the cheapo >> pc that you think is worth the $400 that you can afford. >> >> Mark >> >> > > Apple could do it. But guess what you'd get for your $399? No Firewire, no > Bluetooth, no 802.11n wireless, possibly an Atom processor (yeccch), an 80 > Gig HDD, 1 Gig of DDR2 RAM and an an 800 MHz front-side bus. IOW, a four > hundred dollar PC. I'm glad that Apple doesn't play in that sandbox. If you aren't interested in compactness, a $400 PC doesn't necessarily imply an Atom. Infact, you're probably going to end up with a proper desktop Quad Core processor on a $400 desktop PC. That's certainly going to be the case for a PC to match the price of the mini. It's really stupid to brag about doing video processing on a mini. Not to mention the whole "apple dropping firewire" bit. -- Apple: Power users are not welcome here. ||| / | \

"Fa-groon" <fa-groon@mad.com> wrote in message news:0001HW.C7F5EC16000A3026F01846D8@news.giganews.com... > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:55:22 -0700, Mark Dodel wrote > (in article <cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-dC8hjddYb6vB@localhost>): > >> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:53:26 UTC, "Rotten Apple" <rotten@pple.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> -> Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an >> order > >> -> in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree? >> -> >> >> OK you are cheap. >> >> FWIW, my Mac Mini is ideal for what it is being used for. Just sits >> in my office and waits for me to offload video to be processed by >> iMovie. I don't have to baby sit it. It uses very little power >> unless I'm actually using it. I bought it to replace a dead iMac G5 >> and an ancient Dual Pentium Pro server. For me it was a great buy, >> but then I'm not cheap. It doesn't generate a huge amount of heat like >> the old generic Intel box it replaced. And no worries about viruses >> or spyware or how Microsoft is going to screw me out of something I >> paid for. >> >> So why don't you stop griping and whining and buy yourself the cheapo >> pc that you think is worth the $400 that you can afford. >> >> Mark >> >> > > Apple could do it. But guess what you'd get for your $399? No Firewire, no > Bluetooth, no 802.11n wireless, possibly an Atom processor (yeccch), an 80 > Gig HDD, 1 Gig of DDR2 RAM and an an 800 MHz front-side bus. IOW, a four > hundred dollar PC. I'm glad that Apple doesn't play in that sandbox. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158020&cm_re=firewire_adapter-_-15-158-020-_-Product StarTech PCI1394_2LP 3 Port PCI Low Profile 1394a FireWire Adapter Card w/ Video Editing Kit $19.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156069&cm_re=bluetooth_adapter-_-33-156-069-_-Product TRENDnet TBW-105UB USB 2.0 Compact Bluetooth Adapter $14.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103237 Brand Acer Series Aspire Model AX1301-U1302 $399.99 Brand Acer Series Aspire Model AX1301-U1302 Type Home / Home Office Processor AMD Athlon II X2 215(2.7GHz) Processor Main Features 64 bit Dual Core Processor Cache Per Processor 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Memory 4GB DDR2 800 Hard Drive 750GB SATA 7200RPM Optical Drive 1 16X DVD�R/RW SuperMulti Drive Graphics Integrated NVIDIA GeForce 9200 Graphics Audio High Definition Audio with 5.1-channel Audio Support Ethernet Gigabit LAN Power Supply 220W Keyboard USB Keyboard Mouse Optical Mouse Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Motherboard Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 9200 Chipset CPU CPU Type Athlon II X2 Installed Qty 1 CPU Speed 215(2.7GHz) L2 Cache Per CPU 2 x 512KB CPU Main Features 64 bit Dual Core Processor Graphics GPU/VPU Type NVIDIA GeForce 9200 Graphics Interface Integrated video Memory Memory Capacity 4GB DDR2 Memory Speed DDR2 800 Form Factor DIMM 240-pin Memory Spec 2GB x 2 Memory Slot (Total) 2 Memory Slot (Available) 0 Maximum Memory Supported 4GB Hard Drive HDD Capacity 750GB HDD Interface SATA HDD RPM 7200rpm Optical Drive Optical Drive Type DVD Super Multi Optical Drive Spec 16X DVD�R/RW SuperMulti Drive Write Max: 16X DVD�R, 6X DVD-RW, 8X DVD+RW, 8X DVD�R DL, 5X DVD-RAM, 48X CD-R, 32X CD-RW Read Max: 16X DVD-ROM, 40X CD-ROM Audio Audio Chipset Integrated Communications LAN Chipset Integrated LAN Speed 10/100/1000Mbps Front Panel Ports Front USB 5 Front Audio Ports 2 Card Reader Multi-in-One Digital Media Card Reader CompactFlash (Type I and II), CF+ Microdrive, MultiMediaCard (MMC), Reduced-Size MultiMediaCard (RSMMC), Secure Digital (SD) Card, xD-Picture Card, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO Back Panel Ports PS/2 2 Rear USB 4 eSATA 1 RJ45 1 port Rear Audio Ports 5 ports Expansion PCI Slots (Available/Total) (1/1) PCI Express x1 (1/1) PCI Express x16 Physical Spec Dimensions 13.90" x 3.90" x 10.40" Weight 12.00 lbs. Manufacturer Warranty Parts 1 year limited Labor 1 year limited Fag-roon is wrong again.

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