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Snit, please make your next "Linux as crapware" videos using Linux on bare hardware

It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate 
a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.

Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the 
sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but 
running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of 
kiddie denial from the "advocates".

Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!

Thanks in advance!

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate  
> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>
> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the  
> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but  
> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of  
> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>
> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>
> Thanks in advance!

Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do  
such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be  
a waste.

-- 
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OpenMedia, Wikipedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner
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Slimer
12/30/2014 11:48:27 PM
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS wrote:

> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate 
> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.


+1
I said that from day one. 

> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the 
> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but 
> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of 
> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
> 
> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
> 
> Thanks in advance!

You'll also get to experience Linux at it's worst!
There is nothing worse than being stuck with a Linux desktop system
and no ability to click outside that VM to a quality system like OSX.

-- 
flatfish+++

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Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
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us
12/30/2014 11:53:11 PM
Slimer wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> 
>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>
>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>
>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be
> a waste.
> 

No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent

You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when 
running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)

Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple 
machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just 
quite simply *slow*

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Peter
12/30/2014 11:55:37 PM
On 2014-12-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate 
> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>
> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the 
> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but 
> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of 
> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>
> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>
> Thanks in advance!

Ho, friends again? Not nice!

On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE. So? That's more
than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it. The last thing I
did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was transfer a
directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a Debian
server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
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TomB
12/31/2014 12:01:00 AM
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:55:37 -0500, Peter K=F6hlmann  =

<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Slimer wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might elimin=
ate
>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>>
>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss =
the
>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, b=
ut
>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of=

>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>>
>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to d=
o
>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac wou=
ld  =

>> be
>> a waste.
>>
>
> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>
> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act whe=
n
> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (O=
SX)
>
> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around app=
le
> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is j=
ust
> quite simply *slow*

I agree wholeheartedly. I absolutely hate OS X and how ridiculously  =

sluggish the system is on even the most advanced hardware. No OS should =
 =

require 8GB of RAM to run well.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia, Wikipedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner
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Slimer
12/31/2014 12:05:01 AM
On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:55:37 +0100, Peter K�hlmann wrote:

> Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>>
>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>>
>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be
>> a waste.
>> 
> 
> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
> 
> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when 
> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
> 
> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple 
> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just 
> quite simply *slow*

Running in a VM will probably cause graphics problems, sound problems
as well. That's aside from the speed factor.

-- 
flatfish+++

Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of
Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
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us
12/31/2014 12:17:34 AM
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:05:01 -0500, Slimer wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:55:37 -0500, Peter K�hlmann  
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>>>
>>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>>>
>>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
>>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would  
>>> be
>>> a waste.
>>>
>>
>> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>>
>> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
>> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
>>
>> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
>> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just
>> quite simply *slow*
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly. I absolutely hate OS X and how ridiculously  
> sluggish the system is on even the most advanced hardware. No OS should  
> require 8GB of RAM to run well.

Yet the DAW and video guys swear by it.
The gap is narrowing though, big time as some highly regarded cross
platform programs, Cubase for one, have reputations for running
better on Windows than OSX.
Then there is the cost.
Additionally there are companies that specialize in building DAW
targeted boxes.
And even if you don't use one of them, the Avid site (ProTools)
forums have known to work perfectly builds you can copy.
Make your shopping list and head to NewEgg or other.


-- 
flatfish+++

Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of
Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
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us
12/31/2014 12:21:47 AM
On 12/30/14, 4:39 PM, in article m7vd2a$2mq$1@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
> 
> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
> 
> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
Not a bad idea *but*:

* I would be limited to screen recording without much else.
* I generally do the screencasts as I am beta testing my screencasting
software.

Keep in mind I rarely speak of the VM issue you mention, though TomB has
claimed some issues are from a VM mouse driver. I give the benefit of the
doubt and put notations on the videos.


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Snit
12/31/2014 1:41:52 AM
On 12/30/14, 4:48 PM, in article op.xrpge1wj0vu8t6@sly.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> 
>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>> 
>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>> 
>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be
> a waste.

And the software to do it just does not exist.


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* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
12/31/2014 1:42:10 AM
On 12/30/14, 5:17 PM, in article 1we64fgr6i1aa.160a615furix0.dlg@40tude.net,
"flatfish+++" <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>> 
>> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
>> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
>> 
>> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
>> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just
>> quite simply *slow*
> 
> Running in a VM will probably cause graphics problems, sound problems
> as well. That's aside from the speed factor.

You will notice I rarely if ever speak of those things in my videos.


-- 
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* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
12/31/2014 2:20:30 AM
On 12/30/14, 5:05 PM, in article op.xrpg6ny00vu8t6@sly.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:55:37 -0500, Peter K�hlmann
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> Slimer wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>>> 
>>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>>> 
>>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> 
>>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
>>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would
>>> be
>>> a waste.
>>> 
>> 
>> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>> 
>> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
>> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
>> 
>> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
>> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just
>> quite simply *slow*
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly. I absolutely hate OS X and how ridiculously
> sluggish the system is on even the most advanced hardware. No OS should
> require 8GB of RAM to run well.

I agree its RAM requirements are high and its disk access is slow. No
argument here.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
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Snit
12/31/2014 2:21:00 AM
On 12/30/14, 5:01 PM, in article 20141231005403.974@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2014-12-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>> 
>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>> 
>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Ho, friends again? Not nice!
> 
> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE. So?

All systems have bugs... I show KDE is an utter mess.

> That's more than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it.

Such as? A checklist of features that are done poorly and do not integrate
well with each other?

> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was transfer a
> directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a Debian server, from
> one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.

I can transfer files on OS X, too.

-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
12/31/2014 2:22:34 AM
On 12/30/14, 4:55 PM, in article m7ve11$67k$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Slimer wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>> 
>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>> 
>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be
>> a waste.
>> 
> 
> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
> 
> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
> 
> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just
> quite simply *slow*
> 
An Apple II is snappy in booting and launching programs, too.


-- 
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* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
12/31/2014 2:25:39 AM
Snit wrote:

> On 12/30/14, 5:17 PM, in article
> 1we64fgr6i1aa.160a615furix0.dlg@40tude.net, "flatfish+++"
> <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>>> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>>> 
>>> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
>>> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers
>>> (OSX)
>>> 
>>> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
>>> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is
>>> just quite simply *slow*
>> 
>> Running in a VM will probably cause graphics problems, sound problems
>> as well. That's aside from the speed factor.
> 
> You will notice I rarely if ever speak of those things in my videos.
> 

Because it renders them worthless 

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Peter
12/31/2014 9:00:34 AM
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:39:16 PM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
>
> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate 
> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
> 
> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the 
> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but 
> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of 
> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
> 
> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
> 
> Thanks in advance!

Why bother? You post links to legit bugs that users are having using
Linux on bare hardware, and they're dismissed by the advocates anyway. 
If Snit makes the videos they'll find something else to nitpick about 
them. User error, wrong distro, Microsoft's fault, Apple's fault, the 
NSA used the actors from the fake Sandy Hook attack to add defects to 
Snit's video. There is nothing Snit can do that will shut down the 
advocates. So it seems pointless for Snit to take away time from his 
busy schedule of posting to make more videos that will just get the 
same reaction.

Besides, even if Snit created the videos on real hardware, and all the 
bugs he found magically disappeared, what would that prove? Nothing, 
other than some small pedantic victory for Peter (the best kind of 
victory!). The problem isn't bugs in KDE or bugs in the OS itself. 
The problem is the craptastic applications. Couple the fact that most 
of the apps suck, with these other problems, and you get a really 
frustrating system for desktop users. The (lack of) quality of the 
apps is what makes Linux popular for many things other than desktop 
usage.
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cc
12/31/2014 1:20:05 PM
On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:

8<

>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>
> I can transfer files on OS X, too.

It's not about just transferring files. It's about the ease of use. On
KDE I can access CIFS shares and SSH servers from one single program
(and with a single click, thanks to bookmarks), and basically transfer
files from anywhere to anywhere, regardless of the protocol (FTP,
FTPeS, SFTP, CIFS, NFS...).

On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).
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TomB
12/31/2014 1:31:21 PM
"cc" <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:b522bb11-112a-43b1-91a1-b85ed33ff74e@googlegroups.com...
>
> The problem is the craptastic applications. Couple the fact that most
> of the apps suck, with these other problems, and you get a really
> frustrating system for desktop users. The (lack of) quality of the
> apps is what makes Linux popular for many things other than desktop
> usage.

Bingo.

This past weekend I did a bare metal boot of Linux and actually tried using 
it for daily desktop use. One of the first things I wanted to do was to use 
LibreOffice to create a simple chart. It failed miserably. (detailed in the 
"LibreOffice - "Crapware" would be an improvement" thread.)

That's certainly the weak spot for Linux. The enterprise apps are fiine but 
end-user apps are mostly sub-par to what's available."Free" isn't such a 
bargain when the software doesn't work right.

-- 
"It's Unix. Why should being outdated matter?"

JED, who's evidently never heard of security updates.

August 29, 2013 4:51 PM
<slrnl1vgi6.vf2.jedi@nomad.mishnet>


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Ezekiel
12/31/2014 1:54:38 PM
On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:54:38 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:

> "cc" <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:b522bb11-112a-43b1-91a1-b85ed33ff74e@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> The problem is the craptastic applications. Couple the fact that most
>> of the apps suck, with these other problems, and you get a really
>> frustrating system for desktop users. The (lack of) quality of the
>> apps is what makes Linux popular for many things other than desktop
>> usage.
> 
> Bingo.
> 
> This past weekend I did a bare metal boot of Linux and actually tried using 
> it for daily desktop use. One of the first things I wanted to do was to use 
> LibreOffice to create a simple chart. It failed miserably. (detailed in the 
> "LibreOffice - "Crapware" would be an improvement" thread.)
> 
> That's certainly the weak spot for Linux. The enterprise apps are fiine but 
> end-user apps are mostly sub-par to what's available."Free" isn't such a 
> bargain when the software doesn't work right.

And that's what most users experience when they try Linux.
The crappy end user applications.
This makes them question their decision for leaving Windows or OSX in
the first place.

After all, who wants to return to the days of late 1990's computing?


-- 
flatfish+++

Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of
Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
0
us
12/31/2014 3:50:47 PM
On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:31:21 +0000 (UTC), TomB wrote:

> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> 
> 8<
> 
>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>>
>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
> 
> It's not about just transferring files. It's about the ease of use. On
> KDE I can access CIFS shares and SSH servers from one single program
> (and with a single click, thanks to bookmarks), and basically transfer
> files from anywhere to anywhere, regardless of the protocol (FTP,
> FTPeS, SFTP, CIFS, NFS...).
> 
> On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
> the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
> SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).

Something I'm sure average Jayne needs to do ever day <rolls eyes>!

-- 
flatfish+++

Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of
Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
0
us
12/31/2014 3:51:27 PM
On 12/31/14, 2:00 AM, in article m80duq$uf3$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 12/30/14, 5:17 PM, in article
>> 1we64fgr6i1aa.160a615furix0.dlg@40tude.net, "flatfish+++"
>> <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>>>> 
>>>> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
>>>> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers
>>>> (OSX)
>>>> 
>>>> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
>>>> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is
>>>> just quite simply *slow*
>>> 
>>> Running in a VM will probably cause graphics problems, sound problems
>>> as well. That's aside from the speed factor.
>> 
>> You will notice I rarely if ever speak of those things in my videos.
>> 
> 
> Because it renders them worthless
> 
I do not speak of the things that are even somewhat likely to be impacted by
running in a VM and when TomB says some issues are from the VM anyway I note
it in the video. You then say this renders them worthless.

Then you wonder why you are known as the person most likely to be wrong in
COLA.


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Snit
12/31/2014 4:13:33 PM
On 12/31/14, 6:31 AM, in article 20141231142725.867@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> 
> 8<
> 
>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>> 
>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
> 
> It's not about just transferring files. It's about the ease of use. On
> KDE I can access CIFS shares and SSH servers from one single program
> (and with a single click, thanks to bookmarks), and basically transfer
> files from anywhere to anywhere, regardless of the protocol (FTP,
> FTPeS, SFTP, CIFS, NFS...).
> 
> On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
> the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
> SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).

I can do the same with any one of a number of programs on OS X. Here is my
tool of choice: <https://cyberduck.io>. As a benefit it is free... and open
source. There is also a Windows version - so this is just as easy on
Windows, if nothing else.

But if I did this a lot I might use one that had dual panels or something.

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Snit
12/31/2014 4:22:03 PM
On 12/31/14, 6:20 AM, in article
b522bb11-112a-43b1-91a1-b85ed33ff74e@googlegroups.com, "cc"
<scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:39:16 PM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
>> 
>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>> 
>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>> 
>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Why bother? You post links to legit bugs that users are having using
> Linux on bare hardware, and they're dismissed by the advocates anyway.

True. Heck, many of the bugs I show I have reported. Here is how Peter
K�ohlmann responded to one:

---------------------------------------------------------------

  <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332544> Christoph Feck
    -----
    The tab widget is provided by the Qt library. Please report this
    issue directly to Qt developers via
    https://bugreports.qt-project.org/
    -----

  <https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37812>
    -----
    Priority: P3: Somewhat important
    Status: Open Open
    Resolution: Unresolved
    Fix Version/s: Some future release
    -----
      
  Peter K�hlmann, in reference to that Qt library bug:
    -----
    That stupid clown Snit Michael Glasser has not the tiniest of
    clues who is to address with that "bug" ... It isn't a Qt widget
    that incompetent "computer expert" is complaining about, it is a
    KDE widget
    -----

Peter K�hlmann claims Christoph Feck of the KDE team says things which prove
he is "incompetent" and "has not the tiniest of clues who to address with
that 'bug'".
      
Message ID: <ljb27t$vfe$1@dont-email.me>
<http://goo.gl/s0Jr4U>

---------------------------------------------------------------

He never admitted to his error. None of the herd every called him on his
error. Of course.

> If Snit makes the videos they'll find something else to nitpick about
> them. User error, wrong distro, Microsoft's fault, Apple's fault, the
> NSA used the actors from the fake Sandy Hook attack to add defects to
> Snit's video. There is nothing Snit can do that will shut down the
> advocates. So it seems pointless for Snit to take away time from his
> busy schedule of posting to make more videos that will just get the
> same reaction.

I make the videos as I work with Linux, but part of the reason was to get
used to new versions of my screencasting software. I am a beta tester and
often the videos are made during the beta or when they are asking their
testers for suggestions. When I am doing more "real" projects I tend to just
focus on the project and not report quirks I run into (though sometimes I
do). With these they are stand-alone videos and easier to keep track of the
quirks and lists of suggestions without breaking my work flow.

Does not mean I do not make these videos for the goal of making them and
showing people how Linux works. It is not as if there is only one goal,
though. 

> Besides, even if Snit created the videos on real hardware, and all the
> bugs he found magically disappeared, what would that prove? Nothing,
> other than some small pedantic victory for Peter (the best kind of
> victory!). The problem isn't bugs in KDE or bugs in the OS itself.
> The problem is the craptastic applications. Couple the fact that most
> of the apps suck, with these other problems, and you get a really
> frustrating system for desktop users. The (lack of) quality of the
> apps is what makes Linux popular for many things other than desktop
> usage.



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Snit
12/31/2014 4:42:09 PM
" flatfish+++" <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:el5lmzezj7y2.1612n0u8utiob.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:54:38 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> "cc" <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b522bb11-112a-43b1-91a1-b85ed33ff74e@googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> The problem is the craptastic applications. Couple the fact that most
>>> of the apps suck, with these other problems, and you get a really
>>> frustrating system for desktop users. The (lack of) quality of the
>>> apps is what makes Linux popular for many things other than desktop
>>> usage.
>>
>> Bingo.
>>
>> This past weekend I did a bare metal boot of Linux and actually tried 
>> using
>> it for daily desktop use. One of the first things I wanted to do was to 
>> use
>> LibreOffice to create a simple chart. It failed miserably. (detailed in 
>> the
>> "LibreOffice - "Crapware" would be an improvement" thread.)
>>
>> That's certainly the weak spot for Linux. The enterprise apps are fiine 
>> but
>> end-user apps are mostly sub-par to what's available."Free" isn't such a
>> bargain when the software doesn't work right.
>
> And that's what most users experience when they try Linux.
> The crappy end user applications.
> This makes them question their decision for leaving Windows or OSX in
> the first place.
>
> After all, who wants to return to the days of late 1990's computing?
>

The "best" FOSS apps are usually available for Windows. The so-so and poor 
apps aren't worth running. I'm not sure that I could name a single FOSS app 
that I miss on Windows. There's probably some out there - just none that I 
need.

The commercial apps are also available for Windows. So people can choose to 
use what they want to mix and match proprietary and FOSS apps.

-- 
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MIT - http://web.mit.edu/jamwno/Public/UAT/Jim_Feedback.ppt


"Since it's hard to make the op-amp gain stable over all operating 
conditions *negative feedback* is used to **stabilize** the op-amp"
MIT - http://www.mit.edu/~godoy/6098/study/review_all.pdf


"Negative feedback is a central concept in the design of linear amplifiers. 
It enables them to be designed with predictable, precise and **stable** 
performance."
Oxford University - 
http://www-teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk/practical_course/ELManCh14.pdf


"Black used negative feedback, which reduces the gain but makes the 
amplifier insensitive to variations in tube characteristics. This invention 
made it possible to build *stable* amplifiers with linear 
characteristics..."
Princeton University - http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/s9493.pdf



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Ezekiel
12/31/2014 4:45:00 PM
On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> On 12/31/14, 6:31 AM, in article 20141231142725.867@usenet.drumscum.be,
> "TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> 
>> 8<
>> 
>>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today
>>>> was transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows
>>>> share to a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just
>>>> like that.
>>> 
>>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
>> 
>> It's not about just transferring files. It's about the ease of use.
>> On KDE I can access CIFS shares and SSH servers from one single
>> program (and with a single click, thanks to bookmarks), and
>> basically transfer files from anywhere to anywhere, regardless of
>> the protocol (FTP, FTPeS, SFTP, CIFS, NFS...).
>> 
>> On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
>> the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
>> SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).
>
> I can do the same with any one of a number of programs on OS X. Here
> is my tool of choice: <https://cyberduck.io>. As a benefit it is
> free... and open source. There is also a Windows version - so this
> is just as easy on Windows, if nothing else.

It definitely isn't. It's dicking around with multiple programs. And I
don't have that inconvenience on KDE. It's all done with the default
file manager.

You don't see this as an advantage? Fine. It is to me. A *huge* one.

> But if I did this a lot I might use one that had dual panels or
> something.
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TomB
12/31/2014 5:13:44 PM
On 2014-12-30, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> Slimer wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>>
>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>>
>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be
>> a waste.

    Why? Just add another partition or two to the system and let it dual boot.
Certainly a "premium PC" like a Mac has enough spare resources (IOW extra disk
space) to readily allow this.

   It should be a simple matter really, unless Apple specifically makes the
prospect unecessarily difficult or problematic.

>
> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>
> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when 
> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
>
> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple 
> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just 
> quite simply *slow*

   The problem with a VM is that it's going to suck resources away from
your host OS. You may not have it to spare. Some lesser Macs really don't
have it to spare. This can negatively impact both the host OS and the 
guest OS too.

   Unless you've got a bruiser of a box like a Mac Pro, I would not really
recommend running any VMs on Macs.

-- 
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	       I want the pretty buttons to push themelves.         / | \
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JEDIDIAH
12/31/2014 5:16:31 PM
On 2014-12-31, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> 8<
>
>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>>
>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.

   MacOS file sharing is rather unreliable.

   Also, it's not nearly as abstract and "Unix-y" compared to the Linux
desktops. It's strange if you think about it. MacOS lacks a "unity of
interface" that Linux desktops have. 

   So much for all of that HID dogma.

>
> It's not about just transferring files. It's about the ease of use. On
> KDE I can access CIFS shares and SSH servers from one single program
> (and with a single click, thanks to bookmarks), and basically transfer
> files from anywhere to anywhere, regardless of the protocol (FTP,
> FTPeS, SFTP, CIFS, NFS...).
>
> On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
> the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
> SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).


-- 
        Linux: Because I don't want to push pretty buttons.          |||
	       I want the pretty buttons to push themelves.         / | \
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JEDIDIAH
12/31/2014 5:19:18 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:13 AM, in article 20141231181044.818@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> It's not about just transferring files. It's about the ease of use.
>>> On KDE I can access CIFS shares and SSH servers from one single
>>> program (and with a single click, thanks to bookmarks), and
>>> basically transfer files from anywhere to anywhere, regardless of
>>> the protocol (FTP, FTPeS, SFTP, CIFS, NFS...).
>>> 
>>> On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
>>> the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
>>> SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).
>> 
>> I can do the same with any one of a number of programs on OS X. Here
>> is my tool of choice: <https://cyberduck.io>. As a benefit it is
>> free... and open source. There is also a Windows version - so this
>> is just as easy on Windows, if nothing else.
> 
> It definitely isn't. It's dicking around with multiple programs. And I
> don't have that inconvenience on KDE. It's all done with the default
> file manager.

The big inconvenience: I have to click an icon on my Dock and then I get a
UI specifically built for the purpose - with bookmarks, history, ability to
copy the HTTP or FTP (or other) address, with a single click way to view
items in a web browser, etc.

Do not get me wrong: I would not mind Apple adding basic features to the
Finder and the current status of its half-done FTP support is absurd. No
defense for Apple on that... you can read but not write (maybe they figure
that would take longer and confuse people... I do not know but find it
stupid whatever their reason). I have not used it in some time, so maybe
they have made it better - but I am sure if there were big changes I would
have read about them on ars technica and the like.

But even if Apple did make it more complete that would be good for people
who just need it from time to time. I do a fair amount of uploading. I want
a specialized tool that is focused on it. Cyberduck does that very well...
and I would *not* want my Finder cluttered with all those options. Why would
I?

> You don't see this as an advantage? Fine. It is to me. A *huge* one.

And I am OK with that, too. I am not saying you have to see it as I do -
just noting how I would not want that type of clutter in the tool I use to
work with my local system. The needs are different and I am happy with
focused tools.
 
>> But if I did this a lot I might use one that had dual panels or
>> something.



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Snit
12/31/2014 5:33:43 PM
On 31 Dec 2014 11:19, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2014-12-31, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>>>
>>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
>
>    MacOS file sharing is rather unreliable.
>
Not in the least bit.  It works just fine and shares with Windows and
Linux just fine too.  At least for those competent enough and that
seems to not be you by your own posts.

>    Also, it's not nearly as abstract and "Unix-y" compared to the Linux
> desktops. It's strange if you think about it. MacOS lacks a "unity of
> interface" that Linux desktops have.
>
>    So much for all of that HID dogma.
>
Nah, more 'so much for your uninformed bullshit'...  :)


-- 
Lloyd

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Lloyd
12/31/2014 5:34:56 PM
On 31 Dec 2014 11:16, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2014-12-30, Peter K�hlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:39:10 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>>>
>>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>>>
>>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
>>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be
>>> a waste.
>
>     Why? Just add another partition or two to the system and let it dual boot.
> Certainly a "premium PC" like a Mac has enough spare resources (IOW extra disk
> space) to readily allow this.
>
That depends on the Mac.  Those with actual hard drives certainly
should have plenty of room to spare.  Those with SSDs might not.

>    It should be a simple matter really, unless Apple specifically makes the
> prospect unecessarily difficult or problematic.
>
Not difficult at all.

>>
>> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>>
>> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
>> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
>>
>> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
>> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just
>> quite simply *slow*
>
>    The problem with a VM is that it's going to suck resources away from
> your host OS. You may not have it to spare. Some lesser Macs really don't
> have it to spare. This can negatively impact both the host OS and the
> guest OS too.
>
>    Unless you've got a bruiser of a box like a Mac Pro, I would not really
> recommend running any VMs on Macs.
>
Then again, based on your lack of knowledge about most anything, why
would one want to take your advice?  I've run VMs on Macs much less
humpty than a Mac Pro with excellent results.  In general I don't as I
can't find a really good reason to run another OS on my Mac.


-- 
Lloyd

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Lloyd
12/31/2014 5:37:45 PM
JEDIDIAH wrote:

>   Also, it's not nearly as abstract and "Unix-y" compared to the Linux
>desktops. It's strange if you think about it. MacOS lacks a "unity of
>interface" that Linux desktops have. 
>
>   So much for all of that HID dogma.

Blasphemer!  Don't you know that Saint Steve developed an ecosystem
that works better than anyone else?  His disciple "Lloyd" told us so!

-- 
'Riiiiight. Those 100's of millions of people who bought Apple
products are all some cult.  Not like the half-dozen open minded
"thinkers" here who treat Linux as if it were some sort of religion.'
-  trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"
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chrisv
12/31/2014 5:48:07 PM
"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote in message 
news:cgiqe2Fn9ljU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 31 Dec 2014 11:19, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2014-12-31, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>
>>>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>>>>
>>>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
>>
>>    MacOS file sharing is rather unreliable.
>>
> Not in the least bit.  It works just fine and shares with Windows and
> Linux just fine too.  At least for those competent enough and that
> seems to not be you by your own posts.
>

JED seems to have problems getting anything to work correctly.

Yesterday he was claiming that people can't drag and drop a folder with a 
music collection to a thumbdrive because iTunes "scrambles it" - whatever 
that's supposed to mean.

-- 
Apple spent roughly $1 billion to sell 1 million iPhones over 3 years.

Apple was willing to consider 1 million iPhones to be a smashing success, 
rather than a dismal failure


Rex(xie) Ballard - Linux "advocate"


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Ezekiel
12/31/2014 5:53:11 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:37 AM, in article cgiqjbFnavtU1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd
Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

>>    The problem with a VM is that it's going to suck resources away from
>> your host OS. You may not have it to spare. Some lesser Macs really don't
>> have it to spare. This can negatively impact both the host OS and the
>> guest OS too.
>> 
>>    Unless you've got a bruiser of a box like a Mac Pro, I would not really
>> recommend running any VMs on Macs.
>> 
> Then again, based on your lack of knowledge about most anything, why
> would one want to take your advice?  I've run VMs on Macs much less
> humpty than a Mac Pro with excellent results.  In general I don't as I
> can't find a really good reason to run another OS on my Mac.

Windows and Linux run just fine on VMs. Well, some Linux distros. Others do
not - such as Mint KDE would not even install though out Mint flavors would.
Bizarre. 


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Snit
12/31/2014 5:54:33 PM
On 31 Dec 2014 11:48, chrisv wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>>   Also, it's not nearly as abstract and "Unix-y" compared to the Linux
>>desktops. It's strange if you think about it. MacOS lacks a "unity of
>>interface" that Linux desktops have.
>>
>>   So much for all of that HID dogma.
>
> Blasphemer!  Don't you know that Saint Steve developed an ecosystem
> that works better than anyone else?  His disciple "Lloyd" told us so!
>
Absolutely.  While you don't need to kiss my ass like you just kissed
old Jed's, you could at least bow down a bit!  :)

As to the ecosystem, well while Apple's certainly isn't perfect, it is
head and shoulders above anything in the Linux world, even the one that
hides that they are using it.  MS is getting close too.

And as is usual, Linux on the desktop just isn't even on anyone's radar.


-- 
Lloyd

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Lloyd
12/31/2014 5:55:20 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:19 AM, in article slrnma8c0m.63n.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

> On 2014-12-31, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> 
>> 8<
>> 
>>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>>> 
>>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
> 
>    MacOS file sharing is rather unreliable.

How so? I use it pretty much daily and it is fine.

>    Also, it's not nearly as abstract and "Unix-y" compared to the Linux
> desktops. It's strange if you think about it. MacOS lacks a "unity of
> interface" that Linux desktops have.

Not sure what you mean.

>    So much for all of that HID dogma.

If you do not understand about UI, watch my videos where I show just how bad
KDE is. Notice how none of your herd has shown OS X or Windows to be equally
and absurdly bad.


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Snit
12/31/2014 5:56:07 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:16 AM, in article slrnma8brf.63n.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

>>> Something tells me that he doesn't have PC hardware lying around to do
>>> such a thing... and installing GNU/Linux on a capable, recent Mac would be
>>> a waste.
> 
>     Why? Just add another partition or two to the system and let it dual boot.
> Certainly a "premium PC" like a Mac has enough spare resources (IOW extra disk
> space) to readily allow this.
> 
>    It should be a simple matter really, unless Apple specifically makes the
> prospect unecessarily difficult or problematic.
> 
>> 
>> No. It is the only sane way to make those things run halfway decent
>> 
>> You would be surprised how relativly snappy apple hardware can act when
>> running something which isn't working like a snail on tranquilizers (OSX)
>> 
>> Naturally, any PC hardware not made by apple will run rings around apple
>> machines for the same price tag. Even with windows installed. OSX is just
>> quite simply *slow*
> 
>    The problem with a VM is that it's going to suck resources away from
> your host OS. You may not have it to spare. Some lesser Macs really don't
> have it to spare. This can negatively impact both the host OS and the
> guest OS too.
> 
>    Unless you've got a bruiser of a box like a Mac Pro, I would not really
> recommend running any VMs on Macs.

I could partition my Mac and run Linux and Windows native. Why would I? And
if I did, there is no decent screencasting software for Linux anyway...
other than Peter's Voldermort software (the software that must never be
named). :)




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Snit
12/31/2014 5:57:33 PM
"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote in message 
news:cgiqjbFnavtU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 31 Dec 2014 11:16, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> On 2014-12-30, Peter K�hlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>>    The problem with a VM is that it's going to suck resources away from
>> your host OS. You may not have it to spare. Some lesser Macs really don't
>> have it to spare. This can negatively impact both the host OS and the
>> guest OS too.
>>
>>    Unless you've got a bruiser of a box like a Mac Pro, I would not 
>> really
>> recommend running any VMs on Macs.
>>
> Then again, based on your lack of knowledge about most anything, why
> would one want to take your advice?  I've run VMs on Macs much less
> humpty than a Mac Pro with excellent results.  In general I don't as I
> can't find a really good reason to run another OS on my Mac.

There's the important factor of /why/ you're running in a VM.

If it's some attempt to benchmark performance then it makes no sense.

But if it's to show some clear bug/issue with a app (bad dialog, wrong app 
opens file, etc) then running the app in a VM will (very, very) rarely make 
a difference.

-- 
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scratch, writing operating systems using nothing more than binary and hex, 
and from that, general programming."

Joseph MICHAEL - aka 7-tard

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Ezekiel
12/31/2014 5:58:10 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:48 AM, in article
ged8aahhqdq6qaeqh3acb5n2knqtm619ic@4ax.com, "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

> JEDIDIAH wrote:
> 
>>   Also, it's not nearly as abstract and "Unix-y" compared to the Linux
>> desktops. It's strange if you think about it. MacOS lacks a "unity of
>> interface" that Linux desktops have.
>> 
>>   So much for all of that HID dogma.
> 
> Blasphemer!  Don't you know that Saint Steve developed an ecosystem
> that works better than anyone else?  His disciple "Lloyd" told us so!

Why not show OS X running as absurdly as I show KDE running?

Oh. Because it does not.


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Snit
12/31/2014 5:58:17 PM
On 31 Dec 2014 12:53, "Ezekiel" wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote in message
> news:cgiqe2Fn9ljU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 31 Dec 2014 11:19, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-31, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>
>>>> 8<
>>>>
>>>>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>>>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>>>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
>>>
>>>    MacOS file sharing is rather unreliable.
>>>
>> Not in the least bit.  It works just fine and shares with Windows and
>> Linux just fine too.  At least for those competent enough and that
>> seems to not be you by your own posts.
>>
>
> JED seems to have problems getting anything to work correctly.
>
> Yesterday he was claiming that people can't drag and drop a folder with a
> music collection to a thumbdrive because iTunes "scrambles it" - whatever
> that's supposed to mean.
>
Yeah, old Jed just can't get his shit together.  I suppose there is
something to be said for being consistent though, even if consistently
wrong!  :)


-- 
Lloyd

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Lloyd
12/31/2014 6:01:15 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:55 AM, in article cgirkaFnk4fU1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd
Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 31 Dec 2014 11:48, chrisv wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>> 
>>>   Also, it's not nearly as abstract and "Unix-y" compared to the Linux
>>> desktops. It's strange if you think about it. MacOS lacks a "unity of
>>> interface" that Linux desktops have.
>>> 
>>>   So much for all of that HID dogma.
>> 
>> Blasphemer!  Don't you know that Saint Steve developed an ecosystem
>> that works better than anyone else?  His disciple "Lloyd" told us so!
>> 
> Absolutely.  While you don't need to kiss my ass like you just kissed
> old Jed's, you could at least bow down a bit!  :)
> 
> As to the ecosystem, well while Apple's certainly isn't perfect, it is
> head and shoulders above anything in the Linux world, even the one that
> hides that they are using it.  MS is getting close too.
> 
> And as is usual, Linux on the desktop just isn't even on anyone's radar.

Well stated. Desktop Linux has earned its place in the market: free, easy to
acquire, and still less than 2% usage.


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Snit
12/31/2014 6:15:45 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:58 AM, in article m81dee$l0i$1@dont-email.me, "Ezekiel"
<zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:

>> Then again, based on your lack of knowledge about most anything, why
>> would one want to take your advice?  I've run VMs on Macs much less
>> humpty than a Mac Pro with excellent results.  In general I don't as I
>> can't find a really good reason to run another OS on my Mac.
> 
> There's the important factor of /why/ you're running in a VM.
> 
> If it's some attempt to benchmark performance then it makes no sense.
> 
> But if it's to show some clear bug/issue with a app (bad dialog, wrong app
> opens file, etc) then running the app in a VM will (very, very) rarely make
> a difference.

Exactly. I do not show benchmarks nor complain about the speed nor about
screen-tearing and the like. And when I do run into bugs TomB says are
possibly tied to the VM I add a notation to the video.

I also reported many of the bugs I showed... and the herd still lies and
denies. My favorite example:

---------------------------------------------------------------

  <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332544> Christoph Feck
    -----
    The tab widget is provided by the Qt library. Please report this
    issue directly to Qt developers via
    https://bugreports.qt-project.org/
    -----

  <https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37812>
    -----
    Priority: P3: Somewhat important
    Status: Open Open
    Resolution: Unresolved
    Fix Version/s: Some future release
    -----
      
  Peter K�hlmann, in reference to that Qt library bug:
    -----
    That stupid clown Snit Michael Glasser has not the tiniest of
    clues who is to address with that "bug" ... It isn't a Qt widget
    that incompetent "computer expert" is complaining about, it is a
    KDE widget
    -----

Peter K�hlmann claims Christoph Feck of the KDE team says things which prove
he is "incompetent" and "has not the tiniest of clues who to address with
that 'bug'".
      
Message ID: <ljb27t$vfe$1@dont-email.me>
<http://goo.gl/s0Jr4U>

---------------------------------------------------------------

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Snit
12/31/2014 6:18:09 PM
On 12/31/14, 10:53 AM, in article m81d53$jv2$1@dont-email.me, "Ezekiel"
<zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:

>>>    MacOS file sharing is rather unreliable.
>>> 
>> Not in the least bit.  It works just fine and shares with Windows and
>> Linux just fine too.  At least for those competent enough and that
>> seems to not be you by your own posts.
>> 
> 
> JED seems to have problems getting anything to work correctly.
> 
> Yesterday he was claiming that people can't drag and drop a folder with a
> music collection to a thumbdrive because iTunes "scrambles it" - whatever
> that's supposed to mean.

He once said he could not figure out how to play albums - something my then
six year old did with no problem.


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Snit
12/31/2014 6:18:53 PM
On 2014-12-31, TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> On 12/31/14, 6:31 AM, in article 20141231142725.867@usenet.drumscum.be,
>> "TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-12-31, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> 
>>> 8<
>>> 
>>>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today
>>>>> was transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows
>>>>> share to a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just
>>>>> like that.
>>>> 
>>>> I can transfer files on OS X, too.
>>> 
>>> It's not about just transferring files. It's about the ease of use.
>>> On KDE I can access CIFS shares and SSH servers from one single
>>> program (and with a single click, thanks to bookmarks), and
>>> basically transfer files from anywhere to anywhere, regardless of
>>> the protocol (FTP, FTPeS, SFTP, CIFS, NFS...).
>>> 
>>> On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
>>> the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
>>> SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).
>>
>> I can do the same with any one of a number of programs on OS X. Here
>> is my tool of choice: <https://cyberduck.io>. As a benefit it is
>> free... and open source. There is also a Windows version - so this
>> is just as easy on Windows, if nothing else.
>
> It definitely isn't. It's dicking around with multiple programs. And I
> don't have that inconvenience on KDE. It's all done with the default
> file manager.
>
> You don't see this as an advantage? Fine. It is to me. A *huge* one.
>
>> But if I did this a lot I might use one that had dual panels or
>> something.

   You've stumbled upon a fine example of hypocrisy there. 

   HID dogma is important so long as Apple is percieved to have the
advantage and then suddenly not important otherwise.

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JEDIDIAH
12/31/2014 6:23:01 PM
On 12/31/14, 11:23 AM, in article slrnma8fo5.dk6.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

>>>> On Windows one has to dick around with multiple programs to achieve
>>>> the same. Same for OSX last time I used it (no way to access FTP or
>>>> SSH via Finder, and CIFS was quircky).
>>> 
>>> I can do the same with any one of a number of programs on OS X. Here
>>> is my tool of choice: <https://cyberduck.io>. As a benefit it is
>>> free... and open source. There is also a Windows version - so this
>>> is just as easy on Windows, if nothing else.
>> 
>> It definitely isn't. It's dicking around with multiple programs. And I
>> don't have that inconvenience on KDE. It's all done with the default
>> file manager.
>> 
>> You don't see this as an advantage? Fine. It is to me. A *huge* one.
>> 
>>> But if I did this a lot I might use one that had dual panels or
>>> something.
> 
>    You've stumbled upon a fine example of hypocrisy there.
> 
>    HID dogma is important so long as Apple is percieved to have the
> advantage and then suddenly not important otherwise.

Can you give an example of this? The idea of not mixing features into one
program does not show this.

Hey, I have an example: iTunes. Good grief Apple has tossed a ton into it.
*That* is a example of Apple going against decent UI principles. And I am
against it. No hypocrisy here.

I also talked about how poorly done Apple's FTP features are in the Finder.
Whole I would not want all the features of Cyberduck in the Finder (it would
clutter things up and hurt usability), basic *write* features are missing.
That is insane and I make no apologies for it.

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Snit
12/31/2014 6:43:50 PM
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:20:07 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:39:16 PM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
> >
> > It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate=
=20
> > a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
> >=20
> > Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the=
=20
> > sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but=
=20
> > running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of=20
> > kiddie denial from the "advocates".
> >=20
> > Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
> >=20
> > Thanks in advance!
>=20
> Why bother? You post links to legit bugs that users are having using
> Linux on bare hardware, and they're dismissed by the advocates anyway.=20
> If Snit makes the videos they'll find something else to nitpick about=20
> them. User error, wrong distro, Microsoft's fault, Apple's fault, the=20
> NSA used the actors from the fake Sandy Hook attack to add defects to=20
> Snit's video. There is nothing Snit can do that will shut down the=20
> advocates. So it seems pointless for Snit to take away time from his=20
> busy schedule of posting to make more videos that will just get the=20
> same reaction.
>=20
> Besides, even if Snit created the videos on real hardware, and all the=20
> bugs he found magically disappeared, what would that prove? Nothing,=20
> other than some small pedantic victory for Peter (the best kind of=20
> victory!). The problem isn't bugs in KDE or bugs in the OS itself.=20
> The problem is the craptastic applications. Couple the fact that most=20
> of the apps suck, with these other problems, and you get a really=20
> frustrating system for desktop users. The (lack of) quality of the=20
> apps is what makes Linux popular for many things other than desktop=20
> usage.

Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its proprietary c=
ounterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)? This makes *no* sen=
se at all, yet, it's the cornerstone of trolling in COLA by people who don'=
t mind looking like fools to make such goofy comparisons. Yes, I'm aware th=
at the advocates insist the apps compete, but that is beside the point I'm =
making here (it's equally goofy in the other direction).
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Steve
12/31/2014 6:56:34 PM
On Wednesday, 31 December 2014 18:56:36 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:20:07 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:39:16 PM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
> > >
> > > It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might elimina=
te=20
> > > a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
> > >=20
> > > Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss t=
he=20
> > > sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, bu=
t=20
> > > running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of=
=20
> > > kiddie denial from the "advocates".
> > >=20
> > > Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
> > >=20
> > > Thanks in advance!
> >=20
> > Why bother? You post links to legit bugs that users are having using
> > Linux on bare hardware, and they're dismissed by the advocates anyway.=
=20
> > If Snit makes the videos they'll find something else to nitpick about=
=20
> > them. User error, wrong distro, Microsoft's fault, Apple's fault, the=
=20
> > NSA used the actors from the fake Sandy Hook attack to add defects to=
=20
> > Snit's video. There is nothing Snit can do that will shut down the=20
> > advocates. So it seems pointless for Snit to take away time from his=20
> > busy schedule of posting to make more videos that will just get the=20
> > same reaction.
> >=20
> > Besides, even if Snit created the videos on real hardware, and all the=
=20
> > bugs he found magically disappeared, what would that prove? Nothing,=20
> > other than some small pedantic victory for Peter (the best kind of=20
> > victory!). The problem isn't bugs in KDE or bugs in the OS itself.=20
> > The problem is the craptastic applications. Couple the fact that most=
=20
> > of the apps suck, with these other problems, and you get a really=20
> > frustrating system for desktop users. The (lack of) quality of the=20
> > apps is what makes Linux popular for many things other than desktop=20
> > usage.
>=20
> Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its proprietary=
 counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)? This makes *no* s=
ense at all, yet, it's the cornerstone of trolling in COLA by people who do=
n't mind looking like fools to make such goofy comparisons.=20

You worship WordPress and it is open source you ignorant sausage pan.

> Yes, I'm aware that the advocates insist the apps compete, but that is be=
side the point I'm making here (it's equally goofy in the other direction).

You admit they lie but then say speaking of their lies is trolling.=20

People are not as stupid as you need them to be.


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tmelmosfire
12/31/2014 7:41:59 PM
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:56:36 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
> Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its 
> proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)? 

Nope.

> This makes *no* sense at all, yet, it's the cornerstone of trolling 
> in COLA by people who don't mind looking like fools to make such
> goofy comparisons.

I've said many times that a 1% desktop share for an OS developed 
by the community and distributed for free is an accomplishment in and 
of itself. There are a few rare cases of trolling and goofy comparisons 
sure, but for the most part, bringing up the quality of Linux and 
comparing it is in reaction to the advocates who insist it's on par 
with everything else, or the only reason it's not widely used is 
(*handwaving*) Microsoft.

Also this group is "for the discussion of the positive and negative 
sides of Linux and comparison of Linux with other operating systems." 
So it's whole existence is for comparisons to proprietary offerings. 
You can talk about the strengths of Linux, and advocate Linux, without 
resorting to lying about the quality of desktop Linux and everything that
comes with it.

> Yes, I'm aware that the advocates insist the apps compete, but 
> that is beside the point I'm making here (it's equally goofy in 
> the other direction).

That may be beside your point, but it's the entire point of this thread 
and the videos Snit made: to show bugs and shortcomings to the 
advocates who insist there aren't any.
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cc
12/31/2014 7:44:14 PM
On 12/31/14, 12:44 PM, in article
6d691cdb-ece3-47b2-b2be-936ca4f60396@googlegroups.com, "cc"
<scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:56:36 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> 
>> Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its
>> proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)?
> 
> Nope.

For me what matters is how well a tool works and what it costs.

But, sure, I expect a lot of open source software to work well - and to be
as good or better than the proprietary counterparts. Off the top of my head:

* Darwin: works great.
* Linux: works great... likely technically superior to even Darwin.
* WebKit: works great.
* Blink: works great.
* Apache: works great.
* Cyberduck: works great.
* Filezilla: works great.
* VLC: works great.

In each of these cases there are proprietary programs... and in each case
the open source ones are as good or better. Does not mean these programs
have no quirks - but they are all excellent and I use them because they are
excellent. Being open source is no guarantee of quality, but it is not an
excuse for being garbage, either.

>> This makes *no* sense at all, yet, it's the cornerstone of trolling
>> in COLA by people who don't mind looking like fools to make such
>> goofy comparisons.
> 
> I've said many times that a 1% desktop share for an OS developed
> by the community and distributed for free is an accomplishment in and
> of itself. There are a few rare cases of trolling and goofy comparisons
> sure, but for the most part, bringing up the quality of Linux and
> comparing it is in reaction to the advocates who insist it's on par
> with everything else, or the only reason it's not widely used is
> (*handwaving*) Microsoft.

The boogieman. Always the reason. And it is a lie.

> Also this group is "for the discussion of the positive and negative
> sides of Linux and comparison of Linux with other operating systems."
> So it's whole existence is for comparisons to proprietary offerings.
> You can talk about the strengths of Linux, and advocate Linux, without
> resorting to lying about the quality of desktop Linux and everything that
> comes with it.

You cannot be a *real* advocate without being honest about the good and the
bad.

>> Yes, I'm aware that the advocates insist the apps compete, but
>> that is beside the point I'm making here (it's equally goofy in
>> the other direction).
> 
> That may be beside your point, but it's the entire point of this thread
> and the videos Snit made: to show bugs and shortcomings to the
> advocates who insist there aren't any.

The "advocates" lie... I prove them wrong... and this to Carroll I am
somehow trolling.

Insane.

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Snit
12/31/2014 8:03:53 PM
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:44:16 PM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:56:36 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > 
> > Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its 
> > proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)? 
> 
> Nope.
> 
> > This makes *no* sense at all, yet, it's the cornerstone of trolling 
> > in COLA by people who don't mind looking like fools to make such
> > goofy comparisons.
> 
> I've said many times that a 1% desktop share for an OS developed 
> by the community and distributed for free is an accomplishment in and 
> of itself. 

That's actually a pretty good pro-Linux point as 1% comprises a LOT of people.

> There are a few rare cases of trolling and goofy comparisons 
> sure, 

It's all free stuff, any of it is, realistically, is a goofy case when your talking about looking at a app in an overall fashion ("craptastic applications").

> but for the most part, bringing up the quality of Linux and 
> comparing it is in reaction to the advocates who insist it's on par 
> with everything else, or the only reason it's not widely used is 
> (*handwaving*) Microsoft.

They're as full of it as the people making the comparisons and some of them know it.

> Also this group is "for the discussion of the positive and negative 
> sides of Linux and comparison of Linux with other operating systems." 
> So it's whole existence is for comparisons to proprietary offerings. 

Comparisons in a specific sense make more sense. To say something like  GIMP is 'Linux sh*tware' or some such as compared to Photoshop because it doesn't stand up  to it in an overall fashion is pretty silly, isn't it? 

> You can talk about the strengths of Linux, and advocate Linux, without 
> resorting to lying about the quality of desktop Linux and everything that
> comes with it.

It's not like that never happens, and it's not like there isn't a ton of BS coming from the trolling side of the table.


> > Yes, I'm aware that the advocates insist the apps compete, but 
> > that is beside the point I'm making here (it's equally goofy in 
> > the other direction).
> 
> That may be beside your point, but it's the entire point of this thread 
> and the videos Snit made: to show bugs and shortcomings to the 
> advocates who insist there aren't any.

That I've seen, Snit is mostly talking about individual features in his videos. 

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Steve
12/31/2014 8:48:46 PM
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:48:47 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
> 
> It's all free stuff, any of it is, realistically, is a goofy case 
> when your talking about looking at a app in an overall fashion 
> ("craptastic applications").
> 
> Comparisons in a specific sense make more sense. To say something 
> like  GIMP is 'Linux sh*tware' or some such as compared to Photoshop 
> because it doesn't stand up  to it in an overall fashion is pretty 
> silly, isn't it? 
> 

Why? We can't compare a free application to a proprietary one because 
we should expect the free one to be crappier? It's not like we're 
talking about some middle schooler's class project that they released. 
The developers of these apps and the advocates for them, want their 
applications to be seen as on par with the proprietary offerings.

Is there a single post in COLA from someone who said GIMP shouldn't 
be compared to Photoshop because GIMP is free and it's expected GIMP 
wouldn't be as good? I can find plenty of posts where advocates 
say GIMP is better that Photoshop. I can find plenty of posts where 
advocates claim that there's no reason not to use Linux, since the 
applications available are just as good. I don't see it as trolling 
as much as it is a response to advocates who insist Linux is practically 
perfect.

What should GIMP be compared to instead? In terms of my post and why 
there are relatively few users of Linux, why is it not valid to look 
at apps in an overall fashion?
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cc
12/31/2014 9:21:58 PM
On 12/31/14, 2:21 PM, in article
f8384670-db78-4d01-b2ab-373d8e9a6420@googlegroups.com, "cc"
<scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:48:47 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It's all free stuff, any of it is, realistically, is a goofy case
>> when your talking about looking at a app in an overall fashion
>> ("craptastic applications").
>> 
>> Comparisons in a specific sense make more sense. To say something
>> like  GIMP is 'Linux sh*tware' or some such as compared to Photoshop
>> because it doesn't stand up  to it in an overall fashion is pretty
>> silly, isn't it?
> 
> Why?

Who does this anyway? When someone tries to suggest GIMP is comparable to
Photoshop I sometimes respond and note why it is not, but I also speak well
of GIMP. Who is Carroll even talking about?

> We can't compare a free application to a proprietary one because
> we should expect the free one to be crappier? It's not like we're
> talking about some middle schooler's class project that they released.
> The developers of these apps and the advocates for them, want their
> applications to be seen as on par with the proprietary offerings.

That is also true. When I note KDE is a steaming pile of manure, I show why
- with videos. It is utter garbage. I also look at other DEs and speak
fairly well of them. Open source is not owed a pass for being free.

> Is there a single post in COLA from someone who said GIMP shouldn't
> be compared to Photoshop because GIMP is free and it's expected GIMP
> wouldn't be as good? I can find plenty of posts where advocates
> say GIMP is better that Photoshop.

And I have noted where it has some advantages, say in how it works with
favicons (and how silly it is for Photoshop to be so bad here).

> I can find plenty of posts where
> advocates claim that there's no reason not to use Linux, since the
> applications available are just as good. I don't see it as trolling
> as much as it is a response to advocates who insist Linux is practically
> perfect.

Yup. Any criticism is seen as a horrible attack. Others who use Windows and
OS X openly speak of the weaknesses of those products.

> What should GIMP be compared to instead? In terms of my post and why
> there are relatively few users of Linux, why is it not valid to look
> at apps in an overall fashion?

GIMP is better compared to Photoshop Elements and the like.

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Snit
12/31/2014 9:45:17 PM
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:22:00 PM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:48:47 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >=20
> >=20
> > It's all free stuff, any of it is, realistically, is a goofy case=20
> > when your talking about looking at a app in an overall fashion=20
> > ("craptastic applications").
> >=20
> > Comparisons in a specific sense make more sense. To say something=20
> > like  GIMP is 'Linux sh*tware' or some such as compared to Photoshop=20
> > because it doesn't stand up  to it in an overall fashion is pretty=20
> > silly, isn't it?=20
> >=20
>=20
> Why?=20

Because it makes absolutely no sense to do so.

> We can't compare a free application to a proprietary one because=20
> we should expect the free one to be crappier?

Here's a more sensical question:=20

Generally speaking, proprietary apps are created by teams of well paid deve=
lopers with a well focused plan and a sh*t ton of resources available to th=
em... so why *wouldn't* you expect the app they produced to be better than =
an app created in an environment where people are volunteering their time, =
plans are relatively scattered and they have extremely limited resources?=
=20

> It's not like we're=20
> talking about some middle schooler's class project that they released.=20
> The developers of these apps and the advocates for them, want their=20
> applications to be seen as on par with the proprietary offerings.

That's all well and good but what they want is far removed from the reality=
 of their development environment and their resources.

> Is there a single post in COLA from someone who said GIMP shouldn't=20
> be compared to Photoshop because GIMP is free and it's expected GIMP=20
> wouldn't be as good? I can find plenty of posts where advocates=20
> say GIMP is better that Photoshop. I can find plenty of posts where=20
> advocates claim that there's no reason not to use Linux, since the=20
> applications available are just as good. I don't see it as trolling=20
> as much as it is a response to advocates who insist Linux is practically=
=20
> perfect.

I already stipulated this in my first response.

> What should GIMP be compared to instead?

In this ng it's going to be compared to PS, obviously... but it isn't as go=
od as PS and we all know why (even the advocates who won't admit it). For f=
ree,  GIMP is an amazing app but it's not in the same league. The only sens=
ical way to compare anything in it is to do just that, to isolate a given f=
eature for comparison. The totality of PS's features and the way they work =
together puts it on an entirely different playing field from GIMP. If this =
were not the case Adobe would have no PS sales.

> In terms of my post and why=20
> there are relatively few users of Linux, why is it not valid to look=20
> at apps in an overall fashion?


Because you're comparing two things for which it doesn't make any logical s=
ense to compare.

Can you name one best of breed Linux app, when taken in the total of its fe=
atures and how those features work together as they apply to the niche in w=
hich they are created (with respect to what they offer the end user in that=
 given niche), that are better than the best proprietary app in that niche?=
 Exactly... and no one else can, either (and, again, yes, I'm aware the adv=
ocates will claim otherwise).
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Steve
12/31/2014 10:02:55 PM
On 12/31/2014 1:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:


> Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its
> proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)?

Yes.  Given that the pool of available talent to develop FOSS is the 
entire planet, I'd expect most of it to be damn good, if not the best in 
the world.




> This makes *no* sense at all,yet, it's the cornerstone of trolling
> in COLA by people who don't mind looking like fools to make such
> goofy comparisons.Yes, I'm aware that the advocates insist the apps
> compete, but that is beside the point I'm making here (it's equally
> goofy in the other direction).

If you're aware, why don't you question their lies and idiocy?




Do you know how laughable it is for the "advocates" to drool out of the:

left side of their mouths: "Microsoft is incompetent!"

right side of their mouths: "Microsoft is holding Linux back!"


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DFS
1/2/2015 12:02:07 AM
On 1/1/15, 5:02 PM, in article m84n5f$j44$2@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 12/31/2014 1:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
>> Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its
>> proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)?
> 
> Yes.  Given that the pool of available talent to develop FOSS is the
> entire planet, I'd expect most of it to be damn good, if not the best in
> the world.

A lot of open source software is as good and polished as proprietary
software. From a past post:

* Darwin: works great.
* Linux: works great... likely technically superior to even Darwin.
* WebKit: works great.
* Blink: works great.
* Apache: works great.
* Cyberduck: works great.
* Filezilla: works great.
* VLC: works great.

We should hold developers to high standards no matter what development model
they use. We should also consider the cost. There are excellent FTP (etc.)
programs I have not tried because they are not free. Maybe there is a better
one than the one I use - but the one I use works very well and is free. That
is a bonus.

>> This makes *no* sense at all,yet, it's the cornerstone of trolling
>> in COLA by people who don't mind looking like fools to make such
>> goofy comparisons.Yes, I'm aware that the advocates insist the apps
>> compete, but that is beside the point I'm making here (it's equally
>> goofy in the other direction).
> 
> If you're aware, why don't you question their lies and idiocy?

Comes down to the idea that he knows they are lying but says to call them
out on it is "trolling"... the same standard he uses when people call out
his lies.

> Do you know how laughable it is for the "advocates" to drool out of the:
> 
> left side of their mouths: "Microsoft is incompetent!"
> 
> right side of their mouths: "Microsoft is holding Linux back!"
> 
> 



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Snit
1/2/2015 12:16:00 AM
On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:02:57 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
> Can you name one best of breed Linux app, when taken in the total 
> of its features and how those features work together as they apply 
> to the niche in which they are created (with respect to what they offer 
> the end user in that given niche), that are better than the best 
> proprietary app in that niche? Exactly... and no one else can, either 
> (and, again, yes, I'm aware the advocates will claim otherwise).

You're saying the exact same thing as me (minus the word "craptastic") 
but somehow I'm trolling and you're not?

And of course the advocates will claim otherwise. Which is why it 
has to be pointed out to them that they are wrong, repeatedly. I'm 
still not entirely sure what you think the focus of this newsgroup 
should be. But I don't consider pointing out to the squealing advocates 
that the FOSS app they claim is better than a proprietary one, really isn't, 
to be trolling. I don't post frequently, and don't see every post, but 
if I do see an advocate make the claim, then I'm going to respond. It's 
not about what I expect of FOSS, it's about what the advocates claim 
versus the reality of the situation.
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cc
1/2/2015 2:34:29 PM
On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:39:16 PM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
>=20
> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!


Screencasting?  Hmn, it Might have possibilities. It might be an effective =
way of making copies of streaming video, might not.  Yet, another way to vi=
olate the copyright of the powers that be?
 =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
=C2=AB=E2=8A=99=C2=BF=E2=8A=99=C2=BB  Says that DooF..Us is a few beers sho=
rt of a six-pack. :)
_`=C2=B7--=C2=B7=C2=B4_
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John
1/2/2015 2:48:39 PM
On 12/30/2014 7:01 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2014-12-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might
>> eliminate a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>
>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can
>> dismiss the sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at
>> the basics, but running it from the hard drive will at least shut
>> down that angle of kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>
>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>
> Ho, friends again?


Not a friend, but not an enemy.  Snit's just an arrogant and unrepentant
liar I would rather not exchange posts with:

"I have been very clear from the start about my goals with these videos.
The top one to improve desktop Linux..."  Bullshit.

Plus, his newsgroup flooding (haunts nearly every thread) and repetitive
answers indicate insanity.



> Not nice!

?


> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.

Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just plain
ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation says Undo: Copy.

MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that 
didn't occur.



> So? That's more than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it.

We're not talking about your wife here, fella...




> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a
> Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.

Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?

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DFS
1/2/2015 3:50:52 PM
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 5:02:18 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> On 12/31/2014 1:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
> 
> > Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its
> > proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)?
> 
> Yes.  Given that the pool of available talent to develop FOSS is the 
> entire planet, I'd expect most of it to be damn good, if not the best in 
> the world.

Whatever you say, Mr. 'Hobbyware'.

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Steve
1/2/2015 4:02:05 PM
On 1/2/2015 11:02 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Thursday, January 1, 2015 5:02:18 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
>> On 12/31/2014 1:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its
>>> proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)?
>>
>> Yes.  Given that the pool of available talent to develop FOSS is the
>> entire planet, I'd expect most of it to be damn good, if not the best in
>> the world.
>
> Whatever you say, Mr. 'Hobbyware'.


Great answer, numbnut.




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DFS
1/2/2015 4:03:37 PM
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 5:16:10 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 1/1/15, 5:02 PM, in article m84n5f$j44$2@dont-email.me, "DFS"
> <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>=20
> > On 12/31/2014 1:56 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >=20
> >> Seriously, do you really expect FOSS to be as polished as its
> >> proprietary counterparts (in some cases, they are but not as often)?
> >=20
> > Yes.  Given that the pool of available talent to develop FOSS is the
> > entire planet, I'd expect most of it to be damn good, if not the best i=
n
> > the world.
>=20
> A lot of open source software is as good and polished as proprietary
> software.

I'm not arguing such software doesn't exist, as I made clear in my post tha=
t you apparently didn't comprehend.

> From a past post:
>=20
> * Darwin: works great.
> * Linux: works great... likely technically superior to even Darwin.
> * WebKit: works great.
> * Blink: works great.
> * Apache: works great.
> * Cyberduck: works great.
> * Filezilla: works great.
> * VLC: works great.
>=20
> We should hold developers to high standards no
> matter what development model they use.

"Interesting", so you should be building websites that are on par with thos=
e coming out of agencies that have several focused  teams of that each perf=
orm different functions and work together to produce the highest quality ou=
t there. Notably, you don't hold yourself to these "high standards", Mr. Hy=
pocrite.

> We should also consider the cost.

And water is wet., Snit ;)

Your wet statement begs the question:=20

To what extent should this be done in an advocacy newsgroup?

If you only consider the cost, free software obviously wins hands down.

(snip lies and BS)
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Steve
1/2/2015 4:12:20 PM
On 1/2/15, 8:50 AM, in article m86eod$ent$3@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 12/30/2014 7:01 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2014-12-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might
>>> eliminate a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>> 
>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can
>>> dismiss the sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at
>>> the basics, but running it from the hard drive will at least shut
>>> down that angle of kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>> 
>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Ho, friends again?
> 
> 
> Not a friend, but not an enemy.  Snit's just an arrogant and unrepentant
> liar I would rather not exchange posts with:
> 
> "I have been very clear from the start about my goals with these videos.
> The top one to improve desktop Linux..."  Bullshit.

Multiple goals:

* Show desktop Linux as it is - this helps it be improved
* Show desktop Linux as it is - to refute the lies of "advocates"
* Test new versions of my screencasting tool
* Make videos where I am not as focused so I can make suggestions

You claim you know my goals better than I do. Whatever. I cannot stop you
from making up stories about my thoughts nor do I wish to join one of your
circuses.
 
> Plus, his newsgroup flooding (haunts nearly every thread) and repetitive
> answers indicate insanity.

I often respond to lies with truth. Yes, that gets very repetitive in COLA.
How many times have you posted your above lie? I have responded to it
multiple times - but likely not all.

You then accuse me of being too repetitive... the irony is funny.

>> Not nice!
> 
> ?

The coalitions of COLA are not nice.

>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
> 
> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just plain
> ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation says Undo: Copy.

KDE is an utter mess.

> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
> didn't occur.
> 
> 
> 
>> So? That's more than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it.
> 
> We're not talking about your wife here, fella...

The "goodness" - you have some operations in the file manager on KDE where
you need to use a third party tool on OS X and Windows. One which is focused
on the job and does not clutter your primary UI.

Seriously, TomB, what does KDE offer that makes it so good and worth dealing
with the utter mess that it has been proved to be?
> 
>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a
>> Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
> 
> Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?

And why does he think that cannot be done on Windows and OS X?





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Snit
1/2/2015 4:16:10 PM
On Friday, January 2, 2015 7:34:32 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:02:57 PM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >=20
> > Can you name one best of breed Linux app, when taken in the total=20
> > of its features and how those features work together as they apply=20
> > to the niche in which they are created (with respect to what they offer=
=20
> > the end user in that given niche), that are better than the best=20
> > proprietary app in that niche? Exactly... and no one else can, either=
=20
> > (and, again, yes, I'm aware the advocates will claim otherwise).
>=20
> You're saying the exact same thing as me (minus the word "craptastic")=20
> but somehow I'm trolling and you're not?

For the part you've isolated above but not for what Ive written previously.=
 When I'm talking about it being the "cornerstone"  I'm referring to the pe=
ople who often put things on a personal level and use the pretext of Linux'=
 understandable shortcomings to do it. Notice that people like you,  -hh, L=
loyd ,etc., are not people I consider to be hard core trolls, even though i=
t may be displayed by any one of you on a given occasion. Look at DFS' repl=
y here for an example of the kind of trolling I'm talking about. You can se=
e he just claimed he does expect FOSS to be as polished as its proprietary =
counterparts, yet, if you've read any of his posting history you know that =
isn't true.  Look at Snit's hypocritical reply, he's calling for developers=
 to be held to a high standard and excluding himself when he does so. These=
 kinds of things smack of  being disingenuous as they underscore a differen=
t motive.


> And of course the advocates will claim otherwise. Which is why it=20
> has to be pointed out to them that they are wrong, repeatedly.

Bull. No one "has" to do anything, people are choosing to do what they do i=
n this newsgroup.


> I'm=20
> still not entirely sure what you think the focus of this newsgroup=20
> should be.

I know what all the dot.advocacy hierarchy newsgroups were intended for, as=
 troll nets to keep trolls out of the real newsgroups.


> But I don't consider pointing out to the squealing advocates=20
> that the FOSS app they claim is better than a proprietary one, really isn=
't,=20
> to be trolling.

See above.

> I don't post frequently, and don't see every post, but=20
> if I do see an advocate make the claim, then I'm going to respond. It's=
=20
> not about what I expect of FOSS, it's about what the advocates claim=20
> versus the reality of the situation.

As to what reality actually is regarding software and its usefulness to a g=
iven end user, I'd say that's a subjective thing in more cases than is give=
n credit for in this newsgroup.
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Steve
1/2/2015 4:56:03 PM
On Friday, January 2, 2015 9:16:18 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 1/2/15, 8:50 AM, in article m86eod$ent$3@dont-email.me, "DFS"
> <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>=20
> > On 12/30/2014 7:01 PM, TomB wrote:
> >> On 2014-12-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> >>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might
> >>> eliminate a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
> >>>=20
> >>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can
> >>> dismiss the sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at
> >>> the basics, but running it from the hard drive will at least shut
> >>> down that angle of kiddie denial from the "advocates".
> >>>=20
> >>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
> >>>=20
> >>> Thanks in advance!
> >>=20
> >> Ho, friends again?
> >=20
> >=20
> > Not a friend, but not an enemy.  Snit's just an arrogant and unrepentan=
t
> > liar I would rather not exchange posts with:
> >=20
> > "I have been very clear from the start about my goals with these videos=
..
> > The top one to improve desktop Linux..."  Bullshit.
>=20
> Multiple goals:

You have one "goal", the fact that you are currently using Linux to accompl=
ish it is irrelevant. You've used a number of other topics and you've creat=
ed a ruckus in other newsgroups based on those topics,  all in pursuit of t=
hat goal. The result is always the same.=20
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Steve
1/2/2015 5:04:28 PM
"DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m86eod$ent$3@dont-email.me...
> On 12/30/2014 7:01 PM, TomB wrote:
>
>
>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>
> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just plain
> ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation says Undo: 
> Copy.
>
> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that didn't 
> occur.

I just tried this with the latest Dolphin and this one particular bug is 
fixed. (Unless Snit did something different.)

There is still some strangeness with the new Dolphin however.

From "Network" under "Samba Shares" it never sees my Ubuntu+Samba server. I 
can manually type in the name and then it sees it fine - it's just not 
discoverable through the GUI.

When I select a folder (directory) locally and select "Copy" it behaves 
correctly. I can navigate to a new dir and from the menu it shows "Paste one 
folder."

But when I select a directory from the network (Ubuntu+Samba) - the same 
menu item shows "Paste one File."  When I do "Paste one File" it does copy 
the entire directory so it does work.

>
>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a
>> Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>
> Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?

Maybe using Dolphin to copy SSL certs is more special than copying text 
files or files with jpg photos. If it was done via the GUI it would be 
interesting if it was "Copy one file" or if it correctly showed "Copy one 
Folder."

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Ezekiel
1/2/2015 6:31:40 PM
On 1/2/15, 11:31 AM, in article m86o57$nmt$1@dont-email.me, "Ezekiel"
<zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:

> "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m86eod$ent$3@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/30/2014 7:01 PM, TomB wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>> 
>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just plain
>> ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation says Undo:
>> Copy.
>> 
>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that didn't
>> occur.
> 
> I just tried this with the latest Dolphin and this one particular bug is
> fixed. (Unless Snit did something different.)

Would have to re-check, but from memory:

* Move an item to the trash: it says this can be undone.
* Empty the trash: it warns you this cannot be undone.

Then it says it can still "undo" the move - but it cannot. The file has been
deleted.

> There is still some strangeness with the new Dolphin however.
> 
> From "Network" under "Samba Shares" it never sees my Ubuntu+Samba server. I
> can manually type in the name and then it sees it fine - it's just not
> discoverable through the GUI.
> 
> When I select a folder (directory) locally and select "Copy" it behaves
> correctly. I can navigate to a new dir and from the menu it shows "Paste one
> folder."
> 
> But when I select a directory from the network (Ubuntu+Samba) - the same
> menu item shows "Paste one File."  When I do "Paste one File" it does copy
> the entire directory so it does work.

If I get a chance I will play with the new Dolphin... but it might be a
while before I make any videos with it.

>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a
>>> Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>> 
>> Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?
> 
> Maybe using Dolphin to copy SSL certs is more special than copying text
> files or files with jpg photos. If it was done via the GUI it would be
> interesting if it was "Copy one file" or if it correctly showed "Copy one
> Folder."

Would love to TomB to say what he finds so special about this.

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Snit
1/2/2015 6:51:26 PM
On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:

8<

>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>
> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
> says Undo: Copy.
>
> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
> didn't occur.

IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move". This one I don't consider to
be a bug at all. Not the best way to do it, sure, but definitely not a
bug. The menu option to put stuff in the trash is called 'Move to
trash', so the 'Undo: move' make perfect sense. But something like
'Undo: trash item' would be better indeed.

>> So? That's more than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it.
>
> We're not talking about your wife here, fella...

Hey, you know us Linux geeks, right. We're in love with our computers!

>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>
> Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?

It's something I cannot do under Windows, where I have to use multiple
programs, each with their own way of doing stuff, to transfer files to
locations that are not local.
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TomB
1/2/2015 7:49:03 PM
On 1/2/15, 12:49 PM, in article 20150102204114.933@usenet.drumscum.be,
"TomB" <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> 
> 8<
> 
>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>> 
>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>> says Undo: Copy.
>> 
>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>> didn't occur.
> 
> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move". This one I don't consider to
> be a bug at all. Not the best way to do it, sure, but definitely not a
> bug. The menu option to put stuff in the trash is called 'Move to
> trash', so the 'Undo: move' make perfect sense. But something like
> 'Undo: trash item' would be better indeed.

Again, from memory, I think it was more like this:

Would have to re-check, but from memory:

* Move an item to the trash: it says this can be undone.
* Empty the trash: it warns you this cannot be undone.

Then it says it can still "undo" the move - but it cannot. The file has been
deleted. If I recall correctly, though, the pop-up notification even tells
you it is done when it has not been. That silly notification popup is
useless given how it is wrong so often. Having the system lie to you
repeatedly does not exactly build confidence (and I do not mean simplifying
things or using non-technical terms, I mean directly lying to you as KDE
does).

>>> So? That's more than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it.
>> 
>> We're not talking about your wife here, fella...
> 
> Hey, you know us Linux geeks, right. We're in love with our computers!
> 
>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>> 
>> Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?
> 
> It's something I cannot do under Windows, where I have to use multiple
> programs, each with their own way of doing stuff, to transfer files to
> locations that are not local.

You say they do things differently, but how do they handle drag and drop in
different ways? 

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Snit
1/2/2015 8:15:08 PM
On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
> 8<
>
>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>>
>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>> says Undo: Copy.
>>
>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>> didn't occur.
>
> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".

No, it was exactly as I said:

start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0

It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.



> This one I don't consider to
> be a bug at all. Not the best way to do it, sure, but definitely not a
> bug. The menu option to put stuff in the trash is called 'Move to
> trash', so the 'Undo: move' make perfect sense. But something like
> 'Undo: trash item' would be better indeed.

Yeah.  Undo: Move or Undo: Trash Item is fine.



>>> So? That's more than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it.
>>
>> We're not talking about your wife here, fella...
>
> Hey, you know us Linux geeks, right. We're in love with our computers!

geeeekkkkkk!!!!



>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was
>>> transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to
>>> a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>>
>> Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?
>
> It's something I cannot do under Windows, where I have to use multiple
> programs, each with their own way of doing stuff, to transfer files to
> locations that are not local.

I still don't follow.  You saying Windows can't copy files from your 
local Windows desktop to a remote Linux computer via Windows Explorer?

(tho Windows Explorer doesn't have multiple tabs)

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DFS
1/2/2015 9:39:05 PM
On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:39:05 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>>>
>>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>>> says Undo: Copy.
>>>
>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>>> didn't occur.
>>
>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
>
> No, it was exactly as I said:
>
> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>
> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.

It's actually pretty nice to have video evidence of how sloppy the product  
is. This is the kind of stuff you notice when using KDE, GNOME or whatever  
but nobody ever thinks to make a note of it or to record it. The fact that  
it's right there in all of its mediocrity for all to see is a great thing.

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Slimer
1/2/2015 9:46:36 PM
On 1/2/15, 2:39 PM, in article m8735a$3r2$5@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> 
>> 8<
>> 
>>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>>> 
>>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>>> says Undo: Copy.
>>> 
>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>>> didn't occur.
>> 
>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
> 
> No, it was exactly as I said:
> 
> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
> 
> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.

More direct link: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0?t=3m32s>

And I was wrong about what you meant... and no warning about not being able
to undo. And when you select Undo > Copy it leads to "Do you really want to
delete this item". And then it points to the file I just deleted, and if I
say I want to delete it (even though I already did) it says the file it said
it was going to delete does not exist.

Yeah, completely broken.

.... 
>> It's something I cannot do under Windows, where I have to use multiple
>> programs, each with their own way of doing stuff, to transfer files to
>> locations that are not local.
> 
> I still don't follow.  You saying Windows can't copy files from your
> local Windows desktop to a remote Linux computer via Windows Explorer?
> 
> (tho Windows Explorer doesn't have multiple tabs)

Agreed. Before I said this was something Cyberduck would be used for but I
was wrong (oh no!). Not sure what TomB is trying to say.



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Snit
1/2/2015 9:52:04 PM
On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>>>
>>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>>> says Undo: Copy.
>>>
>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>>> didn't occur.
>>
>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
>
> No, it was exactly as I said:
>
> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>
> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.

Ha, that's the one you mean. That's actually a misunderstanding. What
happens is the following:

* user creates new item from context menu
	-> internally this is a copy operation (it copies the empty
	   from another location)
* user moves item to trash
* user select 'undo: copy' from the 'edit' menu
	-> at this point the last undoable action is still the copy
	   operation that occurred when creating the new file, because
           there is no 'undo: trash' option

While this is technically very sound, from a user perspective indeed
it is very clumsy and confusing, and I can agree that it is a (minor)
bug. The fix would be to obfuscate the copy operation that occurs when
creating a new file, and don't register it in the undo history at all
*or* list it as 'undo: new item'.

In the meantime an 'undo: trash' has been added to Dolphin, but the
above bug still occurs when 'undo: trash' is no longer the last
undoable item, leading to an even more confusing situation.

Truth be told, even with using KDE very often (almost daily), I never
stumbled against this bug, because it is not a typical thing to do
(which is why I consider it a minor bug).

And for the record: I'm not excusing this bug. It is a real one, and
deserves to be reported, but I definitely don't think that it makes
KDE 'a mess'.

>> This one I don't consider to be a bug at all. Not the best way to
>> do it, sure, but definitely not a bug. The menu option to put stuff
>> in the trash is called 'Move to trash', so the 'Undo: move' make
>> perfect sense. But something like 'Undo: trash item' would be
>> better indeed.
>
> Yeah.  Undo: Move or Undo: Trash Item is fine.
>
>>>> So? That's more than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it.
>>>
>>> We're not talking about your wife here, fella...
>>
>> Hey, you know us Linux geeks, right. We're in love with our computers!
>
> geeeekkkkkk!!!!
>
>>>> The last thing I did on my KDE desktop before I left work today
>>>> was transfer a directory with SSL certificates from a Windows
>>>> share to a Debian server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just
>>>> like that.
>>>
>>> Why is that "goodness"?  Is that something special?
>>
>> It's something I cannot do under Windows, where I have to use
>> multiple programs, each with their own way of doing stuff, to
>> transfer files to locations that are not local.
>
> I still don't follow.  You saying Windows can't copy files from your
> local Windows desktop to a remote Linux computer via Windows
> Explorer?
>
> (tho Windows Explorer doesn't have multiple tabs)

It can if that Linux computer happens to run samba, sharing the
directory I want to copy to. AFAIK the only things Explorer can do
these days are local and CIFS, and nothing else (not even FTP anymore,
like it could in the past).

Plus of course the lack of tabs. That's a big one.
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TomB
1/2/2015 10:04:05 PM
On 1/2/15, 2:46 PM, in article op.xruuryp30vu8t6@phoenix, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>>>> didn't occur.
>>> 
>>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
>> 
>> No, it was exactly as I said:
>> 
>> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>> 
>> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.
> 
> It's actually pretty nice to have video evidence of how sloppy the product
> is. This is the kind of stuff you notice when using KDE, GNOME or whatever
> but nobody ever thinks to make a note of it or to record it. The fact that
> it's right there in all of its mediocrity for all to see is a great thing.

Thank you. 


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Snit
1/2/2015 10:19:24 PM
On 1/2/15, 3:04 PM, in article 20150102224931.283@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
<tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> 
>>> 8<
>>> 
>>>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>>>> 
>>>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>>>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>>>> says Undo: Copy.
>>>> 
>>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>>>> didn't occur.
>>> 
>>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
>> 
>> No, it was exactly as I said:
>> 
>> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>> 
>> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.
> 
> Ha, that's the one you mean. That's actually a misunderstanding. What
> happens is the following:
> 
> * user creates new item from context menu
> -> internally this is a copy operation (it copies the empty
>   from another location)

But it is in the UI the creation of a new item. The fact it is copied is an
implementation detail.

> * user moves item to trash

Actually deletes. If you move it to the trash I think you can undo that. But
notice even you, who uses KDE, gets confused by this. Even worse, if you
delete it by emptying the trash you are told you cannot undo it - but here
you are not. Why not? There is even a checkbox to take the warning away.

> * user select 'undo: copy' from the 'edit' menu
> -> at this point the last undoable action is still the copy
>   operation that occurred when creating the new file, because
>            there is no 'undo: trash' option

Undo does not work when you move something to the trash?
 
> While this is technically very sound, from a user perspective indeed
> it is very clumsy and confusing, and I can agree that it is a (minor)
> bug. 

"Very clumsy and confusing" is a "(minor) bug)" by KDE standards. I can
accept that.

> The fix would be to obfuscate the copy operation that occurs when
> creating a new file, and don't register it in the undo history at all
> *or* list it as 'undo: new item'.
> 
> In the meantime an 'undo: trash' has been added to Dolphin, but the
> above bug still occurs when 'undo: trash' is no longer the last
> undoable item, leading to an even more confusing situation.
> 
> Truth be told, even with using KDE very often (almost daily), I never
> stumbled against this bug, because it is not a typical thing to do
> (which is why I consider it a minor bug).

Deleting files and undoing things are not uncommon items.

> And for the record: I'm not excusing this bug. It is a real one, and
> deserves to be reported, but I definitely don't think that it makes
> KDE 'a mess'.

I am pretty sure I did report it... could track down the bug report if
needed.

....
>> I still don't follow.  You saying Windows can't copy files from your
>> local Windows desktop to a remote Linux computer via Windows
>> Explorer?
>> 
>> (tho Windows Explorer doesn't have multiple tabs)
> 
> It can if that Linux computer happens to run samba, sharing the
> directory I want to copy to. AFAIK the only things Explorer can do
> these days are local and CIFS, and nothing else (not even FTP anymore,
> like it could in the past).
> 
> Plus of course the lack of tabs. That's a big one.

Can you drag things from one tab to another in KDE? If I recall correctly
you cannot - but would have to double check. OS X handles this very well.
You can also drag a tab from one window to another, disconnect and reconnect
tabs, close multiple tabs with the mouse without "chasing Xs", etc.

Would have to review, but KDE was a lot clunkier with this. And then the
tabs with different apps, while a great idea, worked in a very different
way. Just a mess.

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Snit
1/2/2015 10:26:44 PM
On 1/2/2015 4:46 PM, Slimer wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:39:05 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>
>>>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>>>>
>>>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>>>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>>>> says Undo: Copy.
>>>>
>>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>>>> didn't occur.
>>>
>>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
>>
>> No, it was exactly as I said:
>>
>> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>>
>> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.
>
> It's actually pretty nice to have video evidence of how sloppy the
> product is. This is the kind of stuff you notice when using KDE, GNOME
> or whatever but nobody ever thinks to make a note of it or to record it.

I've posted many personal Linux crapware experiences to cola thru the 
years, but the moronic "advocates" just claim I'm lying, or that I found 
bugs on the Internet and reported them as my own.

Too bad for them - it's their hobbyware to suffer with.



> The fact that it's right there in all of its mediocrity for all to see
> is a great thing.

Some of it is just plain untested, or it's tested and known to be bad 
but they don't care.  The fact that Snit can find so many issues proves it.


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DFS
1/2/2015 11:24:54 PM
On Friday, January 2, 2015 4:25:07 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> On 1/2/2015 4:46 PM, Slimer wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:39:05 -0500, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
> >>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> >>>
> >>> 8<
> >>>
> >>>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
> >>>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
> >>>> says Undo: Copy.
> >>>>
> >>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
> >>>> didn't occur.
> >>>
> >>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
> >>
> >> No, it was exactly as I said:
> >>
> >> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
> >>
> >> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.
> >
> > It's actually pretty nice to have video evidence of how sloppy the
> > product is. This is the kind of stuff you notice when using KDE, GNOME
> > or whatever but nobody ever thinks to make a note of it or to record it.
> 
> I've posted many personal Linux crapware experiences to cola thru the 
> years, but the moronic "advocates" just claim I'm lying, or that I found 
> bugs on the Internet and reported them as my own.
> 
> Too bad for them - it's their hobbyware to suffer with.
> 
> 
> 
> > The fact that it's right there in all of its mediocrity for all to see
> > is a great thing.
> 
> Some of it is just plain untested, or it's tested and known to be bad 
> but they don't care.  The fact that Snit can find so many issues proves it.

Not when done in a VM. I've seen some Windows weirdness on a VM in OSX. There's no reason to believe that Linux is immune to such things. If he wants to prove it he needs to take your suggestion.
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Steve
1/2/2015 11:37:20 PM
On 1/2/15, 4:24 PM, in article m879bn$qls$3@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> No, it was exactly as I said:
>>> 
>>> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>>> 
>>> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.
>> 
>> It's actually pretty nice to have video evidence of how sloppy the
>> product is. This is the kind of stuff you notice when using KDE, GNOME
>> or whatever but nobody ever thinks to make a note of it or to record it.
> 
> I've posted many personal Linux crapware experiences to cola thru the
> years, but the moronic "advocates" just claim I'm lying, or that I found
> bugs on the Internet and reported them as my own.
> 
> Too bad for them - it's their hobbyware to suffer with.

Compare that with reasonable people... if you say OS X has such-and-such
flaw I am happy to listen. I also speak of many myself. Others who use
Windows do the same with their preferred OS.

This is not a religion. It is an OS preference.

>> The fact that it's right there in all of its mediocrity for all to see
>> is a great thing.
> 
> Some of it is just plain untested, or it's tested and known to be bad
> but they don't care.  The fact that Snit can find so many issues proves it.

Find them without even trying that hard. I was blown away by how bad KDE
was. Notice MATE, even with a few quirks, is not nearly as absurd.

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Snit
1/2/2015 11:49:41 PM
On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> On 1/2/15, 3:04 PM, in article 20150102224931.283@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
><tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> On 1/2/2015 2:49 PM, TomB wrote:
>>>> On 2015-01-02, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>> 
>>>> 8<
>>>> 
>>>>>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some of the stuff Snit shows is far more than minor.  It's just
>>>>> plain ridiculous: after deleting a file, the last Undo operation
>>>>> says Undo: Copy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> MS is doomed by the ability of Linux to undo a file operation that
>>>>> didn't occur.
>>>> 
>>>> IIRC it was something like "Undo: Move".
>>> 
>>> No, it was exactly as I said:
>>> 
>>> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>>> 
>>> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.
>> 
>> Ha, that's the one you mean. That's actually a misunderstanding.
>> What happens is the following:
>> 
>> * user creates new item from context menu
>> -> internally this is a copy operation (it copies the empty
>>   from another location)
>
> But it is in the UI the creation of a new item. The fact it is
> copied is an implementation detail.

Yes, I agree with that lower in my previous posting.

>> * user moves item to trash
>
> Actually deletes. If you move it to the trash I think you can undo
> that. But notice even you, who uses KDE, gets confused by this.

No, not confused. Just didn't look closely enough at the video. By
default, the 'delete' option isn't in KDE's right-click menu, so I
automatically assumed it was the 'move to trash' option. My bad.

> Even worse, if you delete it by emptying the trash you are told you
> cannot undo it - but here you are not.

By default you are. You must have dismissed the "don't show again" box
in a previous session.

> Why not? There is even a checkbox to take the warning away.
>
>> * user select 'undo: copy' from the 'edit' menu
>> -> at this point the last undoable action is still the copy
>>   operation that occurred when creating the new file, because
>>            there is no 'undo: trash' option
>
> Undo does not work when you move something to the trash?
>  
>> While this is technically very sound, from a user perspective indeed
>> it is very clumsy and confusing, and I can agree that it is a (minor)
>> bug. 
>
> "Very clumsy and confusing" is a "(minor) bug)" by KDE standards. I can
> accept that.
>
>> The fix would be to obfuscate the copy operation that occurs when
>> creating a new file, and don't register it in the undo history at all
>> *or* list it as 'undo: new item'.
>> 
>> In the meantime an 'undo: trash' has been added to Dolphin, but the
>> above bug still occurs when 'undo: trash' is no longer the last
>> undoable item, leading to an even more confusing situation.
>> 
>> Truth be told, even with using KDE very often (almost daily), I never
>> stumbled against this bug, because it is not a typical thing to do
>> (which is why I consider it a minor bug).
>
> Deleting files and undoing things are not uncommon items.

What you expect, i.e. undoing a real delete, is an extremely uncommon
expectation. Because of this expectation, you cannot grasp that the
'undo: copy' menu item is not related at all to your delete operation,
and that it is definitely not meant to undo your file deletion.

>> And for the record: I'm not excusing this bug. It is a real one, and
>> deserves to be reported, but I definitely don't think that it makes
>> KDE 'a mess'.
>
> I am pretty sure I did report it... could track down the bug report if
> needed.
>
> ...
>>> I still don't follow.  You saying Windows can't copy files from
>>> your local Windows desktop to a remote Linux computer via Windows
>>> Explorer?
>>> 
>>> (tho Windows Explorer doesn't have multiple tabs)
>> 
>> It can if that Linux computer happens to run samba, sharing the
>> directory I want to copy to. AFAIK the only things Explorer can do
>> these days are local and CIFS, and nothing else (not even FTP
>> anymore, like it could in the past).
>> 
>> Plus of course the lack of tabs. That's a big one.
>
> Can you drag things from one tab to another in KDE? If I recall
> correctly you cannot - but would have to double check.

Of course you can. Just drop a file on the tab you want to copy to,
and it asks you if you want to move, copy or link there.

But that's not the thing. The thing is that I can move files around
using a wide range of protocols. The change that I have to launch (or
even install) a different program to transfer files to some remote
location is very slim (actually I never had to, unlike under Windows).

And there's no clutter whatsoever in the file manager because of these
extra features. You either click on a pre-made bookmark, or you enter
the location URL into the locations bar (smb://server, fish://server,
ftp://server...). No clutter whatsoever. An easy to use file manager,
which can access files using many protocols.

A *huge* boon for me.

Another thing: the extremely useful way to multi-select (or deselect)
files with the mouse only. Very handy, and I have never seen this in
another environment.

> OS X handles this very well.  You can also drag a tab from one
> window to another, disconnect and reconnect tabs, close multiple
> tabs with the mouse without "chasing Xs", etc.

This is open for improvement on KDE. You can detach a tab, but not
attach it again, nor can you drag tabs from one Dolphin window to
another. With e.g. Konsole this *is* possible, so I'd expect they
could do the same for Dolphin. Would be nice to have, but not
essential to me.

> Would have to review, but KDE was a lot clunkier with this. And then
> the tabs with different apps, while a great idea, worked in a very
> different way. Just a mess.

Of course those work in a different way; it's an application feature
vs. a window manager feature.
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TomB
1/3/2015 10:42:07 AM
On 1/3/15, 3:42 AM, in article 20150103102251.146@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
<tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

.... 
>>>> start at 3:32 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C9nvniOoE0
>>>> 
>>>> It can't be excused... but here in cola bizarro world it will be.
>>> 
>>> Ha, that's the one you mean. That's actually a misunderstanding.
>>> What happens is the following:
>>> 
>>> * user creates new item from context menu
>>> -> internally this is a copy operation (it copies the empty
>>>   from another location)
>> 
>> But it is in the UI the creation of a new item. The fact it is
>> copied is an implementation detail.
> 
> Yes, I agree with that lower in my previous posting.

Fair enough. 

>>> * user moves item to trash
>> 
>> Actually deletes. If you move it to the trash I think you can undo
>> that. But notice even you, who uses KDE, gets confused by this.
> 
> No, not confused. Just didn't look closely enough at the video. By
> default, the 'delete' option isn't in KDE's right-click menu, so I
> automatically assumed it was the 'move to trash' option. My bad.

It is there by default in Mint KDE. I think this is a mistake.

>> Even worse, if you delete it by emptying the trash you are told you
>> cannot undo it - but here you are not.
> 
> By default you are. You must have dismissed the "don't show again" box
> in a previous session.

I am fairly certain I did not. For the videos I re-installed from scratch to
make sure I was at a default setting (for that distro).

>> Why not? There is even a checkbox to take the warning away.
>> 
>>> * user select 'undo: copy' from the 'edit' menu
>>> -> at this point the last undoable action is still the copy
>>>   operation that occurred when creating the new file, because
>>>            there is no 'undo: trash' option
>> 
>> Undo does not work when you move something to the trash?

Given how you say you assumed this was a move to trash operation it seems
you should have expected the last undo to move the file back from the trash.
Without testing, I believe this works in KDE. Doesn't it?

>>> While this is technically very sound, from a user perspective indeed
>>> it is very clumsy and confusing, and I can agree that it is a (minor)
>>> bug. 
>> 
>> "Very clumsy and confusing" is a "(minor) bug)" by KDE standards. I can
>> accept that.
>> 
>>> The fix would be to obfuscate the copy operation that occurs when
>>> creating a new file, and don't register it in the undo history at all
>>> *or* list it as 'undo: new item'.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime an 'undo: trash' has been added to Dolphin, but the
>>> above bug still occurs when 'undo: trash' is no longer the last
>>> undoable item, leading to an even more confusing situation.
>>> 
>>> Truth be told, even with using KDE very often (almost daily), I never
>>> stumbled against this bug, because it is not a typical thing to do
>>> (which is why I consider it a minor bug).
>> 
>> Deleting files and undoing things are not uncommon items.
> 
> What you expect, i.e. undoing a real delete, is an extremely uncommon
> expectation. 

But you thought this was not a "real" delete but a move to the trash. Why
would you not expect "undo" to work there?

> Because of this expectation, you cannot grasp that the 'undo: copy' menu item
> is not related at all to your delete operation, and that it is definitely not
> meant to undo your file deletion.

Yes, in the video I missed that but have spoken about it since. I focus more
on the fact the system asks if I want to *delete* a file when I select to
undo a copy, and then if I tell it to do so anyway it says it fails.

The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
big deal.

....
>>> It can if that Linux computer happens to run samba, sharing the
>>> directory I want to copy to. AFAIK the only things Explorer can do
>>> these days are local and CIFS, and nothing else (not even FTP
>>> anymore, like it could in the past).
>>> 
>>> Plus of course the lack of tabs. That's a big one.
>> 
>> Can you drag things from one tab to another in KDE? If I recall
>> correctly you cannot - but would have to double check.
> 
> Of course you can. Just drop a file on the tab you want to copy to,
> and it asks you if you want to move, copy or link there.

But it does not open the tab so you can copy it to a sub-folder in the tab.
This seems a pretty big weakness to me (a lack of a feature, not a bug). To
me this is another sign of the checkbox mentality of the KDE team - a bunch
of features but they seem half-complete.

> But that's not the thing. The thing is that I can move files around
> using a wide range of protocols. The change that I have to launch (or
> even install) a different program to transfer files to some remote
> location is very slim (actually I never had to, unlike under Windows).

But when you work with a remote location you may very well have different
needs. I listed some of those before... though they were more dealing with
the idea of moving HTML and other web files.

> And there's no clutter whatsoever in the file manager because of these
> extra features. You either click on a pre-made bookmark, or you enter
> the location URL into the locations bar (smb://server, fish://server,
> ftp://server...). No clutter whatsoever. An easy to use file manager,
> which can access files using many protocols.
> 
> A *huge* boon for me.

How do you think you would do this on Windows? How about OS X?

> Another thing: the extremely useful way to multi-select (or deselect)
> files with the mouse only. Very handy, and I have never seen this in
> another environment.

I agree this is handy in KDE. No argument here.

>> OS X handles this very well.  You can also drag a tab from one
>> window to another, disconnect and reconnect tabs, close multiple
>> tabs with the mouse without "chasing Xs", etc.
> 
> This is open for improvement on KDE. You can detach a tab, but not
> attach it again, nor can you drag tabs from one Dolphin window to
> another. 

How long has it had tabs? If it is a fairly new feature this makes sense...
but if not this seems a big oversight.

> With e.g. Konsole this *is* possible, so I'd expect they could do the same for
> Dolphin. Would be nice to have, but not essential to me.
> 
>> Would have to review, but KDE was a lot clunkier with this. And then
>> the tabs with different apps, while a great idea, worked in a very
>> different way. Just a mess.
> 
> Of course those work in a different way; it's an application feature
> vs. a window manager feature.

It is a feature of the system... for a user it does not matter how it is
implemented. Especially for the file manager which is generally seen as the
"system" this is a pretty big usability error.

I said the same thing when tabs in Safari and the Finder worked vastly
differently (and that is not even seen as "the system")

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Snit
1/3/2015 3:37:32 PM
On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:

8<

> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
> big deal.

It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).

8<
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TomB
1/3/2015 4:58:32 PM
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 16:58:32 +0000 (UTC), TomB wrote:

> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> 
> 8<
> 
>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>> big deal.
> 
> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
> 
> 8<

That's the way I see it.

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us
1/3/2015 4:59:58 PM
On 1/3/15, 9:58 AM, in article 20150103175735.357@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
<tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> 
> 8<
> 
>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>> big deal.
> 
> It doesn't 'lie'.

I show many examples where it does - both in absolute terms (no defense that
is is right in some "technical" sense) and in ways that tie to
implementation details and not to the action requested (things you can argue
are technically correct though deceptive).

> If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
> 
> 8<



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Snit
1/3/2015 5:09:14 PM
On 1/3/15, 9:59 AM, in article rz5c0m7axtrf.16uctontah64k$.dlg@40tude.net,
"flatfish+++" <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 16:58:32 +0000 (UTC), TomB wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> 
>> 8<
>> 
>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>> big deal.
>> 
>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>> 
>> 8<
> 
> That's the way I see it.

If I get a chance later today I will watch the whole video again and note
the time stamps of specific lies.

KDE lies to users over and over and over.


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Snit
1/3/2015 6:45:09 PM
On 01/03/2015 10:58 AM, TomB wrote:
> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> 8<
>
>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>> big deal.
>
> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>
> 8<

I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files 
that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete 
them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files 
as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if 
you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders 
why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.

Windows won't let you do any of his manipulations with files in its 
trash.  You can't even see the contents of a folder in the trash to 
check what it has before you permanently delete them.  Where's the undo 
in Windows to restore items that were deleted in the Recycle Bin?
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Nobody
1/3/2015 6:47:02 PM
On 1/3/15, 11:47 AM, in article OOWpw.175600$5r4.23122@fx31.iad, "Nobody"
<nobody@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 01/03/2015 10:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> 
>> 8<
>> 
>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>> big deal.
>> 
>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>> 
>> 8<
> 
> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if
> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders
> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.

I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.

> Windows won't let you do any of his manipulations with files in its
> trash.  You can't even see the contents of a folder in the trash to
> check what it has before you permanently delete them.  Where's the undo
> in Windows to restore items that were deleted in the Recycle Bin?

If you think Windows - or OS X - are nearly as bad by all means show it.

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Snit
1/3/2015 7:01:31 PM
On 1/3/15, 11:45 AM, in article D0CD86C5.45D4A%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com,
"Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> On 1/3/15, 9:59 AM, in article rz5c0m7axtrf.16uctontah64k$.dlg@40tude.net,
> "flatfish+++" <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 16:58:32 +0000 (UTC), TomB wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> 
>>> 8<
>>> 
>>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>>> big deal.
>>> 
>>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>> 
>>> 8<
>> 
>> That's the way I see it.
> 
> If I get a chance later today I will watch the whole video again and note
> the time stamps of specific lies.
> 
> KDE lies to users over and over and over.
> 
OK, very quick view before I run off... so admit there could be some errors.
So be it:

0:25 Lies about find options.
0:55 Lies about the up arrow allowing me to go up. We see this again.
2:02 Lies about number of files.
2:23 Lies about a folder existing (it later admits it does not exist).
2:45 Lies about a file being copied that was not. This is after I
     asked it to create a new file - not copy one.
3:27 Lies about there being a way to compare files (apparently you
     need other software for this to work).
3:45 Lies about me asking to delete a file when I asked to undo a copy.
4:00 Lies about letting me delete something that it later says
     does not exist

That is with a quick look and some might be defendable as "technically
correct" but most clearly are not. It is also in a way deceptive on some
level to have the same widget do different things, as I show elsewhere.


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Snit
1/3/2015 7:27:52 PM
On Saturday, January 3, 2015 11:47:13 AM UTC-7, Nobody wrote:
> On 01/03/2015 10:58 AM, TomB wrote:
> > On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
> >
> > 8<
> >
> >> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
> >> big deal.
> >
> > It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
> > that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
> >
> > 8<
> 
> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files 
> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete 
> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files 
> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if 
> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders 
> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.

C'mon now, you did plenty of nutty things in CSMA in pursuit of your trolling. Only fair to let someone else have a turn ;)
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Steve
1/3/2015 8:31:19 PM
On 1/3/2015 11:58 AM, TomB wrote:
> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> 8<
>
>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>> big deal.
>
> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>
> 8<


Undo: Copy is confusing in that instance.  It should say Undo: Create.

Better yet, Undo: Install and remove the whole pile of hobbyware.






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DFS
1/4/2015 2:17:02 AM
In "Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy", Linux user Tom·Bongaerts wrote:
> I can move files around using a wide range of protocols.
> The change that I have to launch (or even install) a different program 
> to transfer files to some remote location is very slim 
> ( actually I never had to, unlike under Windows ).
> 
> [I] either click on a pre-made bookmark, or [I] enter
> the location URL into the locations bar (smb://server, fish://server,
> ftp://server...). No clutter whatsoever. An easy to use file manager,
> which can access files using many protocols.
> 
> A *huge* boon for me.

Can you upload files like this ?:

In File Explorer, Windows 8, I select any/all files I want 
( Ctrl·Click and/or Shift·Click ); then, to upload them, 
I hit right·click "> _Backup" ( or "> _Me", my website ).

The files' time·stamps are preserved, unchanged.

This (sample) FTP command does the work:
C:\__\EXEs\WinSCP\WinSCP.EXE  Me  /command "put C:\aFile.TXT  /Bac/"  "exit"

WinSCP is open source, cost·free.
"Me" has my FTP settings; it points to the root of my FTP site.

I modify Windows 8's File Explorer using <<A hRef='http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win_8_.REG.TXT'
>this .REG(.TXT) file</A>>;
more specifically:

  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Bac]
  @="> _Bac"
  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Bac\command]
  @="C:\\__\\EXEs\\WinSCP\\WinSCP.EXE Me  /command \"put \"\"%1\"\"  /Bac/\"  \"exit\""

  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Me]
  @="> _Me"
  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Me\command]
  @="C:\\__\\EXEs\\WinSCP\\WinSCP.EXE Me  /command \"put \"\"%1\"\"  /public_html/\"  \"exit\""
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Jeff
1/4/2015 5:03:55 AM
[ I'm reposting this, to mention Unicode file names ]
In "Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy", Linux user Tom·Bongaerts wrote:
> I can move files around using a wide range of protocols.
> [ without having to ] launch (or even install) a different program.
> [...]
> [I] either click on a pre-made bookmark, or [I] enter
> the location URL into the locations bar (smb://server, fish://server,
> ftp://server...). No clutter whatsoever. An easy to use file manager,
> which can access files using many protocols.
> 
> A *huge* boon for me.

Can you upload files like this ?:

In File Explorer, Windows 8, I select any/all files I want 
( Ctrl·Click and/or Shift·Click ); then, to upload them, 
I hit right·click "> _Backup" ( or "> _Me", my website ).

Unicode/UTF8 file names show properly everywhere, local and remote.
The files' time·stamps are preserved, unchanged.

This (sample) FTP command does the work:
C:\__\EXEs\WinSCP\WinSCP.EXE  Me  /command "put C:\aFile.TXT  /Bac/"  "exit"

WinSCP is open source, cost·free.
"Me" has my FTP settings; it points to the root of my FTP site.

I modify Windows 8's File Explorer using <<A hRef='http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win_8_.REG.TXT'
>this .REG(.TXT) file</A>>;
more specifically:

  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Bac]
  @="> _Bac"
  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Bac\command]
  @="C:\\__\\EXEs\\WinSCP\\WinSCP.EXE Me  /command \"put \"\"%1\"\"  /Bac/\"  \"exit\""

  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Me]
  @="> _Me"
  [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Me\command]
  @="C:\\__\\EXEs\\WinSCP\\WinSCP.EXE Me  /command \"put \"\"%1\"\"  /public_html/\"  \"exit\""
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Jeff
1/4/2015 5:10:49 AM
On 2015-01-04, the following emerged from the brain of Jeff-Relf.Me:
> [ I'm reposting this, to mention Unicode file names ]
> In "Comp.OS.Linux.Advocacy", Linux user Tom·Bongaerts wrote:
>> I can move files around using a wide range of protocols.
>> [ without having to ] launch (or even install) a different program.
>> [...]
>> [I] either click on a pre-made bookmark, or [I] enter
>> the location URL into the locations bar (smb://server, fish://server,
>> ftp://server...). No clutter whatsoever. An easy to use file manager,
>> which can access files using many protocols.
>> 
>> A *huge* boon for me.
>
> Can you upload files like this ?:
>
> In File Explorer, Windows 8, I select any/all files I want 
> ( Ctrl·Click and/or Shift·Click ); then, to upload them, 
> I hit right·click "> _Backup" ( or "> _Me", my website ).
>
> Unicode/UTF8 file names show properly everywhere, local and remote.
> The files' time·stamps are preserved, unchanged.
>
> This (sample) FTP command does the work:
> C:\__\EXEs\WinSCP\WinSCP.EXE  Me  /command "put C:\aFile.TXT  /Bac/"  "exit"
>
> WinSCP is open source, cost·free.
> "Me" has my FTP settings; it points to the root of my FTP site.
>
> I modify Windows 8's File Explorer using <<A hRef='http://Jeff-Relf.Me/Win_8_.REG.TXT'
>>this .REG(.TXT) file</A>>;
> more specifically:
>
>   [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Bac]
>   @="> _Bac"
>   [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Bac\command]
>   @="C:\\__\\EXEs\\WinSCP\\WinSCP.EXE Me  /command \"put \"\"%1\"\"  /Bac/\"  \"exit\""
>
>   [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Me]
>   @="> _Me"
>   [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\_Me\command]
>   @="C:\\__\\EXEs\\WinSCP\\WinSCP.EXE Me  /command \"put \"\"%1\"\"  /public_html/\"  \"exit\""

Yes, actions can be scripted like this on KDE as well, but is easy
enough with the file manager itself. And of course Unicode is no issue
at all.
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TomB
1/4/2015 9:18:44 AM
On 2015-01-04, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
> On 1/3/2015 11:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>> big deal.
>>
>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>
>> 8<
>
> Undo: Copy is confusing in that instance.  It should say Undo: Create.

That would be okay, but it would be even better if there was no undo
action at all. The undo action for a new file is to delete it.

> Better yet, Undo: Install and remove the whole pile of hobbyware.

Ugh, that's nasty!
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TomB
1/4/2015 9:20:34 AM
TomB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2015-01-04, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> On 1/3/2015 11:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>
>>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>>> big deal.
>>>
>>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>>
>>> 8<
>>
>> Undo: Copy is confusing in that instance.  It should say Undo: Create.
>
> That would be okay, but it would be even better if there was no undo
> action at all. The undo action for a new file is to delete it.
>
>> Better yet, Undo: Install and remove the whole pile of hobbyware.
>
> Ugh, that's nasty!

We need a command to Undo DooFuS.

But, come to think of it, he undoes himself with his nonsense.

-- 
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Chris
1/4/2015 11:55:43 AM
On 1/4/15, 2:20 AM, in article 20150104101959.384@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
<tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-01-04, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> On 1/3/2015 11:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> 
>>> 8<
>>> 
>>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>>> big deal.
>>> 
>>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>> 
>>> 8<
>> 
>> Undo: Copy is confusing in that instance.  It should say Undo: Create.
> 
> That would be okay, but it would be even better if there was no undo
> action at all. The undo action for a new file is to delete it.

That makes sense to me.

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Snit
1/4/2015 5:20:28 PM
On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:03:55 -0800 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

> 
> ... upload files like this ?:
> 
> In File Explorer, Windows 8, I select any/all files I want 
> ( Ctrl·Click and/or Shift·Click ); then, to upload them, 
> I hit right·click "> _Backup" ( or "> _Me", my website ).
> 
> The files' time·stamps are preserved, unchanged.
> 
> This (sample) FTP command does the work:
> C:\__\EXEs\WinSCP\WinSCP.EXE  Me  /command "put C:\aFile.TXT  /Bac/"  "exit"
> 
> WinSCP is open source, cost·free.
> ...

So WinSCP does secure FTP, does it (I'd hope)? If so, where to download it?
<http://winscp.net/eng/download.php>?<http://winscp.net/eng/docs/portable>?
or elsewhere?

Thanks, -- tlvp
-- 
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tlvp
1/4/2015 5:45:12 PM
On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 1/3/15, 11:47 AM, in article OOWpw.175600$5r4.23122@fx31.iad, "Nobody"
> <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/2015 10:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>
>>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>>> big deal.
>>>
>>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>>
>>> 8<
>>
>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if
>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders
>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>
> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.

I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't 
anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.

>> Windows won't let you do any of his manipulations with files in its
>> trash.  You can't even see the contents of a folder in the trash to
>> check what it has before you permanently delete them.  Where's the undo
>> in Windows to restore items that were deleted in the Recycle Bin?
>
> If you think Windows - or OS X - are nearly as bad by all means show it.

I don't think Linux is bad.

Why don't you post a video of you doing the same things with the Windows 
Recycle Bin?  Or the OSX Trash?

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Nobody
1/5/2015 1:08:45 PM
On Friday, January 2, 2015 11:56:05 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Friday, January 2, 2015 7:34:32 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> > 
> 
> 
> > And of course the advocates will claim otherwise. Which is why it 
> > has to be pointed out to them that they are wrong, repeatedly.
> 
> Bull. No one "has" to do anything, people are choosing to do 
> what they do in this newsgroup.

Alright, poor choice of words.
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cc
1/5/2015 1:10:18 PM
On 01/03/2015 02:31 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 11:47:13 AM UTC-7, Nobody wrote:
>> On 01/03/2015 10:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>
>>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a pretty
>>>> big deal.
>>>
>>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>>
>>> 8<
>>
>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if
>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders
>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>
> C'mon now, you did plenty of nutty things in CSMA in pursuit of your trolling. Only fair to let someone else have a turn ;)

Are you flatfish or Snit?  Or are all "three" of you one and the same?

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Nobody
1/5/2015 1:10:38 PM
Nobody wrote:

> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 1/3/15, 11:47 AM, in article OOWpw.175600$5r4.23122@fx31.iad, "Nobody"
>> <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/03/2015 10:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>>>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>
>>>> 8<
>>>>
>>>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a
>>>>> pretty big deal.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>>>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>>>
>>>> 8<
>>>
>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if
>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders
>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>>
>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
> 
> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.

Actually, they did. *None* of those "bugs" Snit Michael Glasser is crowing 
about there is present in a new KDE.

He either used a very old version (notice how he never tells which version 
he is mistreating?) or he did just simply what he usually does: Outright 
lying

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Peter
1/5/2015 1:27:55 PM
On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:

>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>
> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.

Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files - 
which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the 
crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).

It's just untested hobbyware produced by amateurs with no job on the 
line, no boss, no budget, no development timeline.  It's laughable.


>> If you think Windows - or OS X - are nearly as bad by all means show it.
>
> I don't think Linux is bad.

You know it is.


0
DFS
1/5/2015 3:10:23 PM
DFS wrote:

> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
> 
>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>
>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
> 
> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).

Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
Because I seem to have a special "Köhlmann-version" of KDE which works 
correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE 
instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing

> It's just untested hobbyware produced by amateurs with no job on the
> line, no boss, no budget, no development timeline.  It's laughable.
> 
> 
>>> If you think Windows - or OS X - are nearly as bad by all means show it.
>>
>> I don't think Linux is bad.
> 
> You know it is.

You know that you are full of it
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Peter
1/5/2015 3:13:23 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 6:10:20 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> On Friday, January 2, 2015 11:56:05 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Friday, January 2, 2015 7:34:32 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> > >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > > And of course the advocates will claim otherwise. Which is why it=20
> > > has to be pointed out to them that they are wrong, repeatedly.
> >=20
> > Bull. No one "has" to do anything, people are choosing to do=20
> > what they do in this newsgroup.
>=20
> Alright, poor choice of words.

One thing I'm curious about that, perhaps, you'll answer.  Where you wrote:

"It's not about what I expect of FOSS, it's about what the advocates claim =
versus the reality of the situation."

This "claim versus the reality" aspect is the driving force behind why I sl=
am liars the way I do (Snit, being the biggest, gets slammed the most and t=
he hardest). Realistically, why do you care if anyone lies about software? =
I would think it would matter much more when someone is lying about consequ=
ential things (i.e. - lies about people). I'm asking this not only of you, =
but of this newsgroup (which I don't expect any replies from on it). Early =
on, I did the same in CSMA numerous times... to no avail. Try to take yours=
elf completely outside of this newsgroup's mindset for a moment and ask you=
rself in all seriousness:=20

You don't find this situation to be a little odd?

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Steve
1/5/2015 3:21:42 PM
On 1/5/15, 6:27 AM, in article m8e3g1$jir$2@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

>>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if
>>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders
>>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>>> 
>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>> 
>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
> 
> Actually, they did. *None* of those "bugs" Snit Michael Glasser is crowing
> about there is present in a new KDE.
> 
> He either used a very old version (notice how he never tells which version
> he is mistreating?) or he did just simply what he usually does: Outright
> lying

Why do you make claims which are sp easy to prove wrong?

<http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>

Full URL: 
<https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRME
D&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=NEE
DSINFO&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&email1=gallopinginsanity&emaila
ssigned_to1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substr
ing&list_id=952132&query_format=advanced>

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Snit
1/5/2015 3:22:48 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:13:23 +0100, Peter K�hlmann wrote:

> DFS wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>> 
>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>
>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>> 
>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
>> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
> 
> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"

What a surprise  lol !


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us
1/5/2015 3:23:47 PM
Snit wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 6:27 AM, in article m8e3g1$jir$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>>>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>>>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>>>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>>>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash
>>>>> if
>>>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then
>>>>> wonders
>>>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>>>> 
>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>> 
>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>> 
>> Actually, they did. *None* of those "bugs" Snit Michael Glasser is
>> crowing about there is present in a new KDE.
>> 
>> He either used a very old version (notice how he never tells which
>> version he is mistreating?) or he did just simply what he usually does:
>> Outright lying
> 
> Why do you make claims which are sp easy to prove wrong?
> 
> <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>
> 
> Full URL:
> 
<https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRME
> 
D&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=NEE
> 
DSINFO&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&email1=gallopinginsanity&emaila
> 
ssigned_to1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substr
> ing&list_id=952132&query_format=advanced>
> 

Too bad that that "status" is 9 month old. 
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Peter
1/5/2015 3:29:17 PM
On 1/5/15, 6:08 AM, in article y1wqw.309707$Mn4.27466@fx12.iad, "Nobody"
<nobody@invalid.com> wrote:

>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if
>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders
>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>> 
>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
> 
> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.

So bizarre to do things like move and delete files and use the menu items
they provide. Yeah, who would do *that*?

LOL!


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Snit
1/5/2015 3:34:04 PM
Snit wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 6:08 AM, in article y1wqw.309707$Mn4.27466@fx12.iad, "Nobody"
> <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash
>>>> if
>>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then
>>>> wonders
>>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>>> 
>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>> 
>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
> 
> So bizarre to do things like move and delete files and use the menu items
> they provide. Yeah, who would do *that*?
> 
> LOL!
> 

Well, you obviously not. At least not with a recent version. The current 
version of KDE does *not* have the "bugs" you keep on claiming it has

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Peter
1/5/2015 3:35:51 PM
On 1/5/15, 8:13 AM, in article m8e9lp$e6k$1@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> DFS wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>> 
>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>> 
>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>> 
>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
>> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
> 
> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"

Nobody said you were competent!

> Because I seem to have a special "K�hlmann-version" of KDE which works
> correctly.

So use your Voldermort software and prove it. And explain why these bug
reports do not exist: <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>. My favorite comments of yours
about them:

---------------------------------------------------------------

  <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332544> Christoph Feck
    -----
    The tab widget is provided by the Qt library. Please report this
    issue directly to Qt developers via
    https://bugreports.qt-project.org/
    -----

  <https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37812>
    -----
    Priority: P3: Somewhat important
    Status: Open Open
    Resolution: Unresolved
    Fix Version/s: Some future release
    -----
      
  Peter K�hlmann, in reference to that Qt library bug:
    -----
    That stupid clown Snit Michael Glasser has not the tiniest of
    clues who is to address with that "bug" ... It isn't a Qt widget
    that incompetent "computer expert" is complaining about, it is a
    KDE widget
    -----

Peter K�hlmann claims Christoph Feck of the KDE team says things which prove
he is "incompetent" and "has not the tiniest of clues who to address with
that 'bug'".
      
Message ID: <ljb27t$vfe$1@dont-email.me>
<http://goo.gl/s0Jr4U>

---------------------------------------------------------------

> At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing

I used the then most-recent version of KDE Mint in my testing.



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Snit
1/5/2015 3:36:30 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23:48 AM UTC-7, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 16:13:23 +0100, Peter K=F6hlmann wrote:
>=20
> > DFS wrote:
> >=20
> >> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
> >>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
> >>=20
> >>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
> >>>
> >>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
> >>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
> >>=20
> >> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files=
 -
> >> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
> >> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
> >=20
> > Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>=20
> What a surprise  lol !

It may be true for some of them (maybe the ones PK tried?). Even you pointe=
d this aspect out earlier in the thread:

"Running in a VM will probably cause graphics problems, sound problems as w=
ell. That's aside from the speed factor." - flatfish+++

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/yyPeqb35=
kqE/YWn7y_of5tgJ>

The initial call by DFS to run things fairly is the real issue here and it =
should be addressed.

(there could also be other timing issues involved with a VM)
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Steve
1/5/2015 3:36:57 PM
On 01/05/2015 09:10 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>
>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>
>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>
> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).

Where "bizarre" means creating and modifying files in the trash, as if 
the trash were just another folder.   Where it means the things you snip 
and ignore:

I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files 
that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete 
them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files 
as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash if 
you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then wonders 
why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.

Windows won't let you do any of his manipulations with files in its 
trash.  You can't even see the contents of a folder in the trash to 
check what it has before you permanently delete them.  Where's the undo 
in Windows to restore items that were deleted in the Recycle Bin?

> It's just untested hobbyware produced by amateurs with no job on the
> line, no boss, no budget, no development timeline.  It's laughable.

If only your repeated lies were laughable.  They would have some value than.

So Snit has been accepted into flatfish and your club?  I knew that 
would happen eventually.  I see you're all copying from the same scripts...

>
>>> If you think Windows - or OS X - are nearly as bad by all means show it.
>>
>> I don't think Linux is bad.
>
> You know it is.

You're a failure as a mind reader... is there anything besides kissing 
corporate ass that you succeed in?   You're not even a successful liar...


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Nobody
1/5/2015 3:37:25 PM
On 1/5/15, 8:29 AM, in article m8eajj$jd3$1@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/15, 6:27 AM, in article m8e3g1$jir$2@dont-email.me, "Peter
>> K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>>>>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>>>>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>>>>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then
>>>>>> wonders
>>>>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>> 
>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>> 
>>> Actually, they did. *None* of those "bugs" Snit Michael Glasser is
>>> crowing about there is present in a new KDE.
>>> 
>>> He either used a very old version (notice how he never tells which
>>> version he is mistreating?) or he did just simply what he usually does:
>>> Outright lying
>> 
>> Why do you make claims which are sp easy to prove wrong?
>> 
>> <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>
>> 
>> Full URL:
>> 
> <https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRME
>> 
> D&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=NEE
>> 
> DSINFO&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&email1=gallopinginsanity&emaila
>> 
> ssigned_to1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substr
>> ing&list_id=952132&query_format=advanced>
>> 
> 
> Too bad that that "status" is 9 month old.

To bad you deny they are bugs. Of course, when you try to speak of them
specifically you make a fool of yourself:

---------------------------------------------------------------

  <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332544> Christoph Feck
    -----
    The tab widget is provided by the Qt library. Please report this
    issue directly to Qt developers via
    https://bugreports.qt-project.org/
    -----

  <https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-37812>
    -----
    Priority: P3: Somewhat important
    Status: Open Open
    Resolution: Unresolved
    Fix Version/s: Some future release
    -----
      
  Peter K�hlmann, in reference to that Qt library bug:
    -----
    That stupid clown Snit Michael Glasser has not the tiniest of
    clues who is to address with that "bug" ... It isn't a Qt widget
    that incompetent "computer expert" is complaining about, it is a
    KDE widget
    -----

Peter K�hlmann claims Christoph Feck of the KDE team says things which prove
he is "incompetent" and "has not the tiniest of clues who to address with
that 'bug'".
      
Message ID: <ljb27t$vfe$1@dont-email.me>
<http://goo.gl/s0Jr4U>

---------------------------------------------------------------

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Snit
1/5/2015 3:39:14 PM
On 01/03/2015 08:17 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 1/3/2015 11:58 AM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2015-01-03, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>> The system repeatedly misleads and even lies to the user. This is a
>>> pretty
>>> big deal.
>>
>> It doesn't 'lie'. If anything, it is too 'honest' (e.g. not hiding
>> that creating a new file actually is a copy from another location).
>>
>> 8<
>
>
> Undo: Copy is confusing in that instance.  It should say Undo: Create.
>
> Better yet,

don't do Snit's crazy shit with the Trash folder.   Restore items before 
modifying them.  Don't create new items in the trash folder.

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Nobody
1/5/2015 3:39:37 PM
On 1/5/15, 8:35 AM, in article m8eavt$jd3$2@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/15, 6:08 AM, in article y1wqw.309707$Mn4.27466@fx12.iad, "Nobody"
>> <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with files
>>>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delete
>>>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the files
>>>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the trash
>>>>> if
>>>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then
>>>>> wonders
>>>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
>>>> 
>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>> 
>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>> 
>> So bizarre to do things like move and delete files and use the menu items
>> they provide. Yeah, who would do *that*?
>> 
>> LOL!
>> 
> 
> Well, you obviously not. At least not with a recent version. The current
> version of KDE does *not* have the "bugs" you keep on claiming it has
> 

Use your Voldermort software to show it.

Oh, you lied about that, too.


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Snit
1/5/2015 3:39:40 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 8:35:53 AM UTC-7, Peter K=F6hlmann wrote:
> Snit wrote:
>=20
> > On 1/5/15, 6:08 AM, in article y1wqw.309707$Mn4.27466@fx12.iad, "Nobody=
"
> > <nobody@invalid.com> wrote:
> >=20
> >>>> I don't see what his BFD is about doing nutty manipulations with fil=
es
> >>>> that have been moved to the trash.  You either restore them or delet=
e
> >>>> them permanently.  In his videos he's doing modifications on the fil=
es
> >>>> as if the trash were just another folder.   Get them out of the tras=
h
> >>>> if
> >>>> you want to modify them!  He deletes a file permanently and then
> >>>> wonders
> >>>> why undo can't bring it back?  He's nuts.
> >>>=20
> >>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
> >>=20
> >> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
> >> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
> >=20
> > So bizarre to do things like move and delete files and use the menu ite=
ms
> > they provide. Yeah, who would do *that*?
> >=20
> > LOL!
> >=20
>=20
> Well, you obviously not. At least not with a recent version. The current=
=20
> version of KDE does *not* have the "bugs" you keep on claiming it has

More notable is the fact that the COLA trolls don't seem to be supporting t=
he things Snit found using a VM. Seems they either don't care enough to fin=
d out or they found out something they didn't like. How difficult would it =
be to check some of the more glaring issues? Yet, that I've seen, no one ha=
s bothered. Seems strange for those that spend so much time in COLA... unle=
ss, like I've said elsewhere, their goal has nothing to do with Linux (ya t=
hink?!).

(cue up a troll claiming that Snit's VM hocus pocus stands until proven oth=
erwise... a thing we all know is BS).
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Steve
1/5/2015 3:44:40 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:21:44 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
>=20
> One thing I'm curious about that, perhaps, you'll answer. =20
> Where you wrote:
>=20
> "It's not about what I expect of FOSS, it's about what the=20
> advocates claim versus the reality of the situation."
>=20
> This "claim versus the reality" aspect is the driving force behind why=20
> I slam liars the way I do (Snit, being the biggest, gets slammed the=20
> most and the hardest). Realistically, why do you care if anyone lies=20
> about software? I would think it would matter much more when someone=20
> is lying about consequential things (i.e. - lies about people).=20

Realistically, why do you care if Snit lies, even if it is about other=20
people? It's not like he's an influential person. He lives in a hovel=20
and does a menial job. If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,=20
he wouldn't be living in a shithole and posting to cola 24/7. So why=20
care what he says, even if it's about you?

I imagine it's for the same reason I care about the lies (Snit's=20
software, whatever) in this group. It's an interesting time killer to=20
respond to some of these idiots.  Sometimes a little more of a time=20
killer. Sometimes a lot less of a time killer. "Care" is an almost=20
useless word. I do "care" about responding to the lies, but I also=20
care about my family and job and tons of other things that aren't=20
even close to being on the same level. I post here more or less=20
infrequently, and if this group went away it wouldn't get more than a=20
"meh" and a =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF from me. I have no expectation of a=
 response=20
from anyone, or that anything I write will change anyone's mind. That's=20
my level of "care".

> I'm asking this not only of you, but of this newsgroup (which I=20
> don't expect any replies from on it). Early on, I did the same in=20
> CSMA numerous times... to no avail. Try to take yourself completely=20
> outside of this newsgroup's mindset for a moment and ask yourself=20
> in all seriousness:=20
>=20
> You don't find this situation to be a little odd?

No more odd than any other time killer/hobby. When I have some free time=20
I like to do many things. Sometimes posting to cola is one of them. I=20
guess it's a little odd that cola is one of those choices, but I find=20
the idiocy hilarious, I'm interested in the subject in general, and=20
this group is rarely boring.
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cc
1/5/2015 3:52:11 PM
On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>
>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>
>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>
>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
>> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
>
> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
> Because I seem to have a special "Köhlmann-version" of KDE which works
> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing


Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old 
version is plenty current - so you fools can't use that excuse.  It's 
slightly possible some of his bugs were caused by running it in a vm.

Soon I'll install a distro (to hardware) and load the latest KDE/Dolphin 
and see if I can replicate some of his glaring bugs, issues and 
inconsistencies.

One thing's for sure: when I do confirm them, it won't stop you lying 
cola idiots from dismissing the repeated proof.



>> It's just untested hobbyware produced by amateurs with no job on the
>> line, no boss, no budget, no development timeline.  It's laughable.
>>
>>
>>>> If you think Windows - or OS X - are nearly as bad by all means show it.
>>>
>>> I don't think Linux is bad.
>>
>> You know it is.
>
> You know that you are full of it


How can you defend the crapware?  Is your code just as sloppy? Doubtful, 
or you wouldn't have a job.




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DFS
1/5/2015 3:54:23 PM
On 1/5/15, 8:52 AM, in article
3b20d6e1-ca93-4215-8270-c160b63620d4@googlegroups.com, "cc"
<scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:21:44 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> 
>> One thing I'm curious about that, perhaps, you'll answer.
>> Where you wrote:
>> 
>> "It's not about what I expect of FOSS, it's about what the
>> advocates claim versus the reality of the situation."
>> 
>> This "claim versus the reality" aspect is the driving force behind why
>> I slam liars the way I do (Snit, being the biggest, gets slammed the
>> most and the hardest). Realistically, why do you care if anyone lies
>> about software? I would think it would matter much more when someone
>> is lying about consequential things (i.e. - lies about people).
> 
> Realistically, why do you care if Snit lies, even if it is about other
> people? It's not like he's an influential person. He lives in a hovel
> and does a menial job. If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
> he wouldn't be living in a shithole and posting to cola 24/7. So why
> care what he says, even if it's about you?

Please quote where I said how skilled I am.

But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your logic would be
flawed.  

....



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Snit
1/5/2015 4:05:34 PM
On 1/5/15, 8:54 AM, in article m8ec34$q1n$3@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>> 
>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>> 
>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
>>> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
>> 
>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>> Because I seem to have a special "K�hlmann-version" of KDE which works
>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
> 
> 
> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
> version is plenty current - so you fools can't use that excuse.  It's
> slightly possible some of his bugs were caused by running it in a vm.

TomB claimed some mouse oddities were - and I added notations to the videos
to make that clear.

> Soon I'll install a distro (to hardware) and load the latest KDE/Dolphin
> and see if I can replicate some of his glaring bugs, issues and
> inconsistencies.
> 
> One thing's for sure: when I do confirm them, it won't stop you lying
> cola idiots from dismissing the repeated proof.

And if you find you cannot replicate some please let me know.

Well, other than the "Easter Eggs" one - those are hard to replicate. :)

....


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* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
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Snit
1/5/2015 4:07:37 PM
On 01/05/2015 09:54 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:

[...]

> One thing's for sure: when I do confirm them, it won't stop you lying
> cola idiots from dismissing the repeated proof.

When, not if?  We should believe a known liar who has already decided 
what the outcome of his "test" will be, and accept it as "repeated proof?"

Good job of shooting yourself in the foot though.  I don't expect you 
have any toes left, after all the times you did that...

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Nobody
1/5/2015 4:25:24 PM
DFS wrote:

> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>
>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>>
>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
>>> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
>>
>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>> Because I seem to have a special "Köhlmann-version" of KDE which works
>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
> 
> 
> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
> version is plenty current 

What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in linux 
time

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Peter
1/5/2015 4:25:42 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 8:52:13 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:21:44 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >=20
> > One thing I'm curious about that, perhaps, you'll answer. =20
> > Where you wrote:
> >=20
> > "It's not about what I expect of FOSS, it's about what the=20
> > advocates claim versus the reality of the situation."
> >=20
> > This "claim versus the reality" aspect is the driving force behind why=
=20
> > I slam liars the way I do (Snit, being the biggest, gets slammed the=20
> > most and the hardest). Realistically, why do you care if anyone lies=20
> > about software? I would think it would matter much more when someone=20
> > is lying about consequential things (i.e. - lies about people).=20
>=20
> Realistically, why do you care if Snit lies

Obviously, it's because a lot of his lies have been (and continue to) about=
 me.=20

> even if it is about other=20
> people? It's not like he's an influential person. He lives in a hovel=20
> and does a menial job. If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,=20
> he wouldn't be living in a shithole and posting to cola 24/7. So why=20
> care what he says, even if it's about you?

This mindset no longer applies in day to day living, the internet changed t=
hings drastically.  When people read lies that go unchallenged they will ge=
nerally develop the wrong idea as based on those lies.=20

> I imagine it's for the same reason I care about the lies (Snit's=20
> software, whatever) in this group. It's an interesting time killer to=20
> respond to some of these idiots.  Sometimes a little more of a time=20
> killer. Sometimes a lot less of a time killer. "Care" is an almost=20
> useless word. I do "care" about responding to the lies, but I also=20
> care about my family and job and tons of other things that aren't=20
> even close to being on the same level. I post here more or less=20
> infrequently, and if this group went away it wouldn't get more than a=20
> "meh" and a =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF from me. I have no expectation of=
 a response=20
> from anyone, or that anything I write will change anyone's mind. That's=
=20
> my level of "care".

In a digital world I think you have to care, to some extent, about the BS t=
hat people are pushing. A lot of what goes on outside of a bona fide newsro=
om (which aren't what they used to be where the truth is concerned) passes =
for truth.

> > I'm asking this not only of you, but of this newsgroup (which I=20
> > don't expect any replies from on it). Early on, I did the same in=20
> > CSMA numerous times... to no avail. Try to take yourself completely=20
> > outside of this newsgroup's mindset for a moment and ask yourself=20
> > in all seriousness:=20
> >=20
> > You don't find this situation to be a little odd?
>=20
> No more odd than any other time killer/hobby.

In your mind it's not different to lie about a person than software? Maybe =
I'm just old school or something but to me there's a *huge* difference.

> When I have some free time=20
> I like to do many things. Sometimes posting to cola is one of them. I=20
> guess it's a little odd that cola is one of those choices, but I find=20
> the idiocy hilarious, I'm interested in the subject in general, and=20
> this group is rarely boring.

Yeah ;)
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Steve
1/5/2015 4:35:32 PM
On Monday, 5 January 2015 16:35:34 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:

> > Realistically, why do you care if Snit lies
> 
> Obviously, it's because a lot of his lies have been (and continue to) about me. 

What lies? If you stopped harassing him and following him as you brag about doing to at least 12 forums you would not even be a topic of conversation.

Your real issue is how he ignores you. That is why you fantasize about Slimer, me, and others being Snit. You need him to complete your life. 

When you are not seeking a mother-figure to fulfill your sick oedipal complex you are fantasizing about Snit's cock up your ass.


http://www.seniorpeoplemeet.com/v3/externalsearch/singles?Profile=1AE1BDAAFC6D6F08ACA0C235BB8ED21D&Username=STEVECARROL

"About the one I'm looking for... Someone who is honest..."

You must buy into the idea opposites attract.
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tmelmosfire
1/5/2015 5:02:32 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:35:34 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 8:52:13 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> > 
> 
> > even if it is about other 
> > people? It's not like he's an influential person. He lives in a hovel 
> > and does a menial job. If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is, 
> > he wouldn't be living in a shithole and posting to cola 24/7. So why 
> > care what he says, even if it's about you?
> 
> This mindset no longer applies in day to day living, the 
> internet changed things drastically.  When people read lies that 
> go unchallenged they will generally develop the wrong idea as based 
> on those lies. 

That's a pretty good point, and an argument against using your real name 
on forums like this.

> > > I'm asking this not only of you, but of this newsgroup (which I 
> > > don't expect any replies from on it). Early on, I did the same in 
> > > CSMA numerous times... to no avail. Try to take yourself completely 
> > > outside of this newsgroup's mindset for a moment and ask yourself 
> > > in all seriousness: 
> > > 
> > > You don't find this situation to be a little odd?
> > 
> > No more odd than any other time killer/hobby.
> 
> In your mind it's not different to lie about a person than software? 
> Maybe I'm just old school or something but to me there's a 
> *huge* difference.

I misunderstood what you were calling odd. I thought you meant the 
responses were odd, not the lies themselves.

> 
> > When I have some free time 
> > I like to do many things. Sometimes posting to cola is one of them. I 
> > guess it's a little odd that cola is one of those choices, but I find 
> > the idiocy hilarious, I'm interested in the subject in general, and 
> > this group is rarely boring.
> 
> Yeah ;)

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cc
1/5/2015 5:34:30 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> 
> 
> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your 
> logic would be flawed.  

Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work 
ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in 
only one area.
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cc
1/5/2015 5:36:25 PM
On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
<scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
>> logic would be flawed.
> 
> Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
> only one area.

  cc:
    -----
    If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
    ----- 

You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am. You failed. You
simply are spewing insults - showing how you feel about *yourself* and your
own lack of accomplishments.

Your response will likely be to try to boost how wonderful you are in some
other way. Whatever. You are demonstrating your own lack of self worth.

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Snit
1/5/2015 5:44:47 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 5:44:54 PM UTC, Snit wrote:
> On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
> 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
> >> logic would be flawed.
> > 
> > Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> > ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
> > only one area.
> 
>   cc:
>     -----
>     If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
>     ----- 
> 
> You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am. You failed. You
> simply are spewing insults - showing how you feel about *yourself* and your
> own lack of accomplishments.
> 
> Your response will likely be to try to boost how wonderful you are in some
> other way. Whatever. You are demonstrating your own lack of self worth.

Get a refund on your psych degree, Gluey.

cc called you out perfectly. 
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Steve
1/5/2015 5:58:39 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:34:31 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:35:34 AM UTC-5, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Monday, January 5, 2015 8:52:13 AM UTC-7, cc wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> > > even if it is about other 
> > > people? It's not like he's an influential person. He lives in a hovel 
> > > and does a menial job. If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is, 
> > > he wouldn't be living in a shithole and posting to cola 24/7. So why 
> > > care what he says, even if it's about you?
> > 
> > This mindset no longer applies in day to day living, the 
> > internet changed things drastically.  When people read lies that 
> > go unchallenged they will generally develop the wrong idea as based 
> > on those lies. 
> 
> That's a pretty good point, and an argument against using your real name 
> on forums like this.

Depending upon one's motives and willingness to combat BS.

> > > > I'm asking this not only of you, but of this newsgroup (which I 
> > > > don't expect any replies from on it). Early on, I did the same in 
> > > > CSMA numerous times... to no avail. Try to take yourself completely 
> > > > outside of this newsgroup's mindset for a moment and ask yourself 
> > > > in all seriousness: 
> > > > 
> > > > You don't find this situation to be a little odd?
> > > 
> > > No more odd than any other time killer/hobby.
> > 
> > In your mind it's not different to lie about a person than software? 
> > Maybe I'm just old school or something but to me there's a 
> > *huge* difference.
> 
> I misunderstood what you were calling odd. I thought you meant the 
> responses were odd, not the lies themselves.

Now that you know...?

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Steve
1/5/2015 6:13:26 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, tmelmosfire wrote:
> On Monday, 5 January 2015 16:35:34 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> 
> > > Realistically, why do you care if Snit lies
> > 
> > Obviously, it's because a lot of his lies have been (and continue to) about me. 
> 
> What lies?

The ones that caused virtually everyone you've come into contact with on usenet to label you what they have.

> If you stopped harassing

I don't harass you, Snit, I just give you what you're repeatedly asked for.

> Your real issue is how he ignores you.

LOL! Yeah right ;)

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Steve
1/5/2015 6:15:49 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
> 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
> >> logic would be flawed.
> > 
> > Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> > ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
> > only one area.
> 
>   cc:
>     -----
>     If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
>     ----- 
> 
> You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.

Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)

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Steve
1/5/2015 6:20:26 PM
On Monday, 5 January 2015 18:20:28 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> > On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
> > 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
> > <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
> > >> logic would be flawed.
> > > 
> > > Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> > > ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
> > > only one area.
> > 
> >   cc:
> >     -----
> >     If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
> >     ----- 
> > 
> > You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
> 
> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)

What is stopping you? It is not like you do anything other than obsess over Snit.
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tmelmosfire
1/5/2015 6:25:59 PM
It was reported that Peter K�hlmann posted:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>>>
>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files -
>>>> which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and the
>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
>>>
>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>> Because I seem to have a special "K�hlmann-version" of KDE which works
>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>> 
>> 
>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>> version is plenty current 
>
> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in linux 
> time

Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it in
a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".

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William
1/5/2015 10:30:10 PM
William Poaster wrote:

> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
> 
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files
>>>>> - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and
>>>>> the
>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
>>>>
>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>> Because I seem to have a special "Köhlmann-version" of KDE which works
>>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>> version is plenty current
>>
>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>> linux time
> 
> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
> 

Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux? 
After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then

There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It would 
be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
0
Peter
1/5/2015 10:55:35 PM
On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>> version is plenty current
>>> 
>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>> linux time
>> 
>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>> 
> 
> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
> 
> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It would
> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then

It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good grief. Are
you really unable to figure out that videos from the past are not about
now-current versions?

And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way. You are simply
lying.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

0
Snit
1/5/2015 11:04:53 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 17:55:35 -0500, Peter K=C3=B6hlmann  =

<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> It was reported that Peter K=C3=B6hlmann posted:
>>
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter K=C3=B6hlmann wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK=
..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn=
't
>>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate=
  =

>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of =
 =

>>>>>> files
>>>>>> - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder a=
nd
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says  =

>>>>>> Copy).
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>>> Because I seem to have a special "K=C3=B6hlmann-version" of KDE wh=
ich  =

>>>>> works
>>>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of =
KDE
>>>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>> version is plenty current
>>>
>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in=

>>> linux time
>>
>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run=
 it
>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>
>
> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linu=
x?
> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>
> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It=
  =

> would
> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then

You guys are such ridiculous liars that it's a wonder your noses haven't=
  =

grown. At the time that Snit made those videos, Mint16 was the latest  =

version available. As for updates, they were likely done automatically a=
s  =

they are for anyone else using Linux Mint 16.

It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to apologize fo=
r  =

GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries, GNU/Linux  =

would be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think  =

they're free, the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and  =

everybody is dying from ebola... but really happy they don't have all of=
  =

that "malware" in the form of the common cold in neighbouring Microsoft.=


-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
0
Slimer
1/5/2015 11:06:41 PM
Snit wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>> 
>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>>> linux time
>>> 
>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>> 
>> 
>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>> 
>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> 
> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good grief. Are
> you really unable to figure out that videos from the past are not about
> now-current versions?

Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
 
> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way. You are
> simply lying.
> 

The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If you had 
*any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets updated 
every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which are 
already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year old 
(as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed

The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can be 
taken as being true. Absolutely nothing

0
Peter
1/5/2015 11:11:10 PM
Slimer wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 17:55:35 -0500, Peter Köhlmann
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of
>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>> - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says
>>>>>>> Copy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>>>> Because I seem to have a special "Köhlmann-version" of KDE which
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>>>>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>
>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>>> linux time
>>>
>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>
>>
>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>
>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>> would
>> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> 
> You guys are such ridiculous liars that it's a wonder your noses haven't
> grown. At the time that Snit made those videos, Mint16 was the latest
> version available. As for updates, they were likely done automatically as
> they are for anyone else using Linux Mint 16.
> 
> It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to apologize for
> GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries, GNU/Linux
> would be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think
> they're free, the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and
> everybody is dying from ebola... but really happy they don't have all of
> that "malware" in the form of the common cold in neighbouring Microsoft.
> 

Stop posting as your sock Slimeball, Snit Michael Glasser. It gets tiring


0
Peter
1/5/2015 11:12:34 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:11:10 -0500, Peter K=C3=B6hlmann  =

<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>> K=C3=B6hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year ol=
d
>>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>>
>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age =
in
>>>>> linux time
>>>>
>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run r=
un  =

>>>> it
>>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update  =

>>> linux?
>>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>>
>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. =
It
>>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
>>
>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good grief=
..  =

>> Are
>> you really unable to figure out that videos from the past are not abo=
ut
>> now-current versions?
>
> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
>
>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way. You are=

>> simply lying.
>>
>
> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If yo=
u  =

> had
> *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets update=
d
> every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which ar=
e
> already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a ye=
ar  =

> old
> (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
>
> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can=
 be
> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing

So, in other words, you're suggesting that people should be using  =

absolutely nothing other than rolling distributions like Arch or Sabayon=
..  =

Otherwise, they're using a *very* *old* KDE indeed.

Meanwhile, rolling distributions break MORE than a "stable" distribution=
  =

like Linux Mint does. I can GUARANTEE you, Mainz village idiot, that if =
 =

Snit used Arch, Sabayon or openSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE, he'd find _MORE=
_  =

bugs, not less and KDE would look even *WORSE*.

With that in mind, I INSIST that Snit use a rolling distribution and sho=
w  =

how awful even up-to-date KDE is.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
0
Slimer
1/5/2015 11:16:08 PM
On 1/5/15, 4:11 PM, in article m8f5ll$dmu$1@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>> K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>> 
>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>>>> linux time
>>>> 
>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>> 
>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
>> 
>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good grief. Are
>> you really unable to figure out that videos from the past are not about
>> now-current versions?
> 
> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current

You mean in the video... when they were current? I any case, few have been
fixed: <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>

>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way. You are
>> simply lying.
>
> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version.'

Good grief you are clueless. Each version of Mint KDE comes with a version
of KDE. And it was fully updated to within a few days of the upload.

Really, do you know *anything* about Linux at all?

> If you had *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets
> updated every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which
> are already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year
> old (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
> 
> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can be
> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
> 



-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

0
Snit
1/5/2015 11:24:18 PM
Snit Slimeball snotted:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:11:10 -0500, Peter Köhlmann
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>>>>> linux time
>>>>>
>>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run
>>>>> it
>>>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update
>>>> linux?
>>>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>>>
>>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>>>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
>>>
>>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good grief.
>>> Are
>>> you really unable to figure out that videos from the past are not about
>>> now-current versions?
>>
>> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
>>
>>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way. You are
>>> simply lying.
>>>
>>
>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If you
>> had
>> *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets updated
>> every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which are
>> already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year
>> old
>> (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
>>
>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can be
>> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
> 
> So, in other words, you're suggesting that people should be using
> absolutely nothing other than rolling distributions like Arch or Sabayon.

Idiot

> Otherwise, they're using a *very* *old* KDE indeed.

No

0
Peter
1/5/2015 11:27:14 PM
On 1/5/15, 4:06 PM, in article op.xr0ihfwr0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>> 
>> 
>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>> 
>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>> would
>> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> 
> You guys are such ridiculous liars that it's a wonder your noses haven't
> grown. At the time that Snit made those videos, Mint16 was the latest
> version available. As for updates, they were likely done automatically as
> they are for anyone else using Linux Mint 16.
> 
> It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to apologize for
> GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries, GNU/Linux
> would be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think
> they're free, the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and
> everybody is dying from ebola... but really happy they don't have all of
> that "malware" in the form of the common cold in neighbouring Microsoft.

Notice Peter does not say if he thinks any of the bugs have been fixed. If
he could do basic research he would know which have: <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>.
These are not state secrets!

Different ones have been fixed in different versions some examples:

<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332568> 4.11.9
<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332628> 4.13.1
<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332629> 4.14.0

I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
"advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help desktop
Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.

If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be thanking
me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

0
Snit
1/5/2015 11:29:20 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:06:41 -0500, Slimer wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 17:55:35 -0500, Peter K�hlmann  
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> It was reported that Peter K�hlmann posted:
>>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate  
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of  
>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>> - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says  
>>>>>>> Copy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>>>> Because I seem to have a special "K�hlmann-version" of KDE which  
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>>>>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>
>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>>> linux time
>>>
>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>
>>
>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>
>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It  
>> would
>> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> 
> You guys are such ridiculous liars that it's a wonder your noses haven't  
> grown. At the time that Snit made those videos, Mint16 was the latest  
> version available. As for updates, they were likely done automatically as  
> they are for anyone else using Linux Mint 16.
> 
> It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to apologize for  
> GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries, GNU/Linux  
> would be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think  
> they're free, the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and  
> everybody is dying from ebola... but really happy they don't have all of  
> that "malware" in the form of the common cold in neighbouring Microsoft.

How true. 
Part of what makes COLA such an "interesting" place is sitting back
and watching these Linux loons going to extreme lengths to Lie for
Linux.
And some of them tend to be pathological liars in fact.
Truly amazing.

-- 
flatfish+++

Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of
Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
0
us
1/5/2015 11:33:46 PM
On 1/5/15, 4:27 PM, in article m8f6jo$gbi$1@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

>>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If you had
>>> *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets updated
>>> every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which are
>>> already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year old
>>> (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
>>> 
>>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can be
>>> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
>> 
>> So, in other words, you're suggesting that people should be using
>> absolutely nothing other than rolling distributions like Arch or Sabayon.
> 
> Idiot
> 
>> Otherwise, they're using a *very* *old* KDE indeed.
> 
> No

It is sad how you think there is no way to know when or if any of the bugs I
show have been fixed, even though most have been reported:
<http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>. These are not state secrets!

Different ones have been fixed in different versions some examples:

<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332568> 4.11.9
<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332628> 4.13.1
<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332629> 4.14.0

I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of you false
"advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help desktop
Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined. Disagree: show what you
have done.

If you *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well you should be thanking
me and encouraging me to do what you clearly cannot, even with your
fictional Voldermort software.


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Snit
1/5/2015 11:42:26 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:24:18 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
 =

wrote:

>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version.'
>
> Good grief you are clueless. Each version of Mint KDE comes with a  =

> version
> of KDE. And it was fully updated to within a few days of the upload.
>
> Really, do you know *anything* about Linux at all?

Another quote for the long list of Peter K=C3=B6hlmann's utterly stupid =
 =

statements. With every post, he seems to be getting dumber. No wonder  =

Mainz offered him a job as village idiot. He's only weeks away from eati=
ng  =

his own excrement.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
0
Slimer
1/5/2015 11:43:04 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:27:14 -0500, Peter K=C3=B6hlmann  =

<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

>>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If =
you
>>> had
>>> *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets upda=
ted
>>> every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which =
are
>>> already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a =
 =

>>> year
>>> old
>>> (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
>>>
>>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim c=
an  =

>>> be
>>> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
>>
>> So, in other words, you're suggesting that people should be using
>> absolutely nothing other than rolling distributions like Arch or  =

>> Sabayon.
>
> Idiot
>
>> Otherwise, they're using a *very* *old* KDE indeed.
>
> No

Without using a rolling distribution, how the *FUCK* do you expect Snit =
to  =

have an up-to-date version of KDE recent enough to avert being criticize=
d  =

by Peter "Mainz village idiot" K=C3=B6hlmann? From your statement, no ma=
tter  =

what stable distribution Snit uses, you will always be able to claim tha=
t  =

the bugs only exist because the KDE version is old.

People are not as stupid as the Mainz village idiot requires them to be.=


-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
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Slimer
1/5/2015 11:45:36 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:29:20 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
 =

wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 4:06 PM, in article op.xr0ihfwr0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run r=
un  =

>>>> it
>>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update  =

>>> linux?
>>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>>
>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. =
It
>>> would
>>> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
>>
>> You guys are such ridiculous liars that it's a wonder your noses have=
n't
>> grown. At the time that Snit made those videos, Mint16 was the latest=

>> version available. As for updates, they were likely done automaticall=
y  =

>> as
>> they are for anyone else using Linux Mint 16.
>>
>> It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to apologize=
  =

>> for
>> GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries, GNU/Linu=
x
>> would be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think
>> they're free, the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and
>> everybody is dying from ebola... but really happy they don't have all=
 of
>> that "malware" in the form of the common cold in neighbouring Microso=
ft.
>
> Notice Peter does not say if he thinks any of the bugs have been fixed=
..  =

> If
> he could do basic research he would know which have:  =

> <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>.
> These are not state secrets!
>
> Different ones have been fixed in different versions some examples:
>
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332568> 4.11.9
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332628> 4.13.1
> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332629> 4.14.0
>
> I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
> "advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help  =

> desktop
> Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.
>
> If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be  =

> thanking
> me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.

You should use GNU/Linux more often. Maybe after a year of your testing =
 =

and their fixing of bugs, we might end up with something as good as  =

Windows 2000.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
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Slimer
1/5/2015 11:47:40 PM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:26:01 AM UTC-7, tmelmosfire wrote:
> On Monday, 5 January 2015 18:20:28 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> > On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> > > On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
> > > 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
> > > <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> > > >>=20
> > > >>=20
> > > >> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
> > > >> logic would be flawed.
> > > >=20
> > > > Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> > > > ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
> > > > only one area.
> > >=20
> > >   cc:
> > >     -----
> > >     If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
> > >     -----=20
> > >=20
> > > You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
> >=20
> > Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time professional=
", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time semi-professional" thread ag=
ain? That one is always a hoot ;)
>=20
> What is stopping you?

Nothing. Can I count on you hypocritically whining about an old post? Like =
I've said before, you can't shake a stick at the Google archive without som=
e of your BS falling out... here's some now (from that thread). Hmm, "inter=
esting",  it's a claim of 'quoting' Znu, without providing any links, natur=
ally.  You wrote (and quoted to your detriment), the following:

--
But it is easy to quote ZnU noting where DW does not handle semantic CSS:

  ZnU
    -----
    These sorts of tools basically died a much-deserved death in
    professional markets years ago with the rise of semantic HTML
    and CSS. Particularly using WYSIWYG tools to create HTML that
    developers are going to have to work with directly just seems
    cruel.
    -----
    Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG features are worse than useless for
    constructing modern semantically structured pages with
    CSS-based layout
    -----
    It merely presupposes that people creating semantic HTML +
    CSS layouts aren't going to be using Dreamweaver. Which, if
    you understand how useless it is to this task, is not an
    unreasonable thing to assume.
    -----
    Similarly, it is quite possible that the Dreamweaver
    interface effectively encourages writing non-semantic code
    even as DW training materials warn against it.
    -----

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/yZf9FaA1Gy=
0/XhGAJhwZfP8J

This is a blatant lie, of course. Nowhere, in any of these alleged 'quotes'=
 (providing they are even real) does Znu claim that "DW does not handle sem=
antic CSS". Very much to the contrary of this lie, Znu acknowledged that DW=
 could simply be used as a text editor if needed and CSS could 'handle' it =
that way. But the more important point was that he right to assert that it =
didn't handle it  properly "automatically", which is what he was talking ab=
out above and which is probably why you didn't cite this post from the same=
 thread:

"CSS layout works, of course, by writing rules that might be attached to in=
dividual elements, but that are applied in the context of the entire docume=
nt, taking into account rules attached to other elements and what the defau=
lt positioning of elements would be. With CSS there are many ways to place =
an element in a specific location, and they have different implications for=
 how other elements interact with it, what happens when the user scrolls or=
 resizes the viewport, etc. There isn't really a workable way to, say, drag=
 elements where you want them in a WYSIWYG interface, and have sensible CSS=
 automatically written to reflect those choices.

AFAIK Dreamweaver doesn't even really try to solve this problem; its CSS la=
yout features are based around using manually written CSS templates." - Znu

What's most notable, though, and what highlights your disingenuous position=
 is your followup post, one only needs to see the first sentence to spot yo=
ur BS:

"What tool are you using that does try to solve this problem for the design=
er?"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/yZf9FaA1Gy=
0/pdON9vNCzEAJ

Gee, Snit... why are you seen asking Znu this question if you don't agree w=
ith or, at least, understand his position (that he stated a number of ways =
throughout that thread... just for you)? Bottom line,  you lied and I call =
it a lie because you *kept* repeating something you were told and even ackn=
owledged you were "wrong" about. You wouldn't have ever asked this question=
 if you weren't just being your disingenuous (lying) self.


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Steve
1/5/2015 11:48:24 PM
On 1/5/15, 4:45 PM, in article op.xr0kaa0q0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:27:14 -0500, Peter K�hlmann
> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> 
>>>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If you
>>>> had
>>>> *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets updated
>>>> every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which are
>>>> already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a
>>>> year
>>>> old
>>>> (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
>>>> 
>>>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can
>>>> be
>>>> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
>>> 
>>> So, in other words, you're suggesting that people should be using
>>> absolutely nothing other than rolling distributions like Arch or
>>> Sabayon.
>> 
>> Idiot
>> 
>>> Otherwise, they're using a *very* *old* KDE indeed.
>> 
>> No
> 
> Without using a rolling distribution, how the *FUCK* do you expect Snit to
> have an up-to-date version of KDE recent enough to avert being criticized
> by Peter "Mainz village idiot" K�hlmann? From your statement, no matter
> what stable distribution Snit uses, you will always be able to claim that
> the bugs only exist because the KDE version is old.
> 
> People are not as stupid as the Mainz village idiot requires them to be.

And that is true even with me pointing to the bugs on the KDE list. It is
not like it is hard to see if or when they were fixed.


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* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
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Snit
1/5/2015 11:58:14 PM
On 1/5/15, 4:47 PM, in article op.xr0kdqdu0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>>> It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to apologize  for
>>> GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries, GNU/Linux would
>>> be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think they're free,
>>> the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and everybody is dying
>>> from ebola... but really happy they don't have all of that "malware" in the
>>> form of the common cold in neighbouring Microsoft.
>> 
>> Notice Peter does not say if he thinks any of the bugs have been fixed.
> 
>> If he could do basic research he would know which have:
>> <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>.
>> These are not state secrets!
>> 
>> Different ones have been fixed in different versions some examples:
>> 
>> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332568> 4.11.9
>> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332628> 4.13.1
>> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332629> 4.14.0
>> 
>> I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
>> "advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help  desktop
>> Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.
>> 
>> If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be  thanking
>> me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.
> 
> You should use GNU/Linux more often. Maybe after a year of your testing
> and their fixing of bugs, we might end up with something as good as
> Windows 2000.

I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows 95.


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* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/5/2015 11:59:09 PM
It was reported that Peter K�hlmann posted:

> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> It was reported that Peter K�hlmann posted:
>> 
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files
>>>>>> - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>>> Because I seem to have a special "K�hlmann-version" of KDE which works
>>>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>>>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>> version is plenty current
>>>
>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>> linux time
>> 
>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>> 
>
> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux? 
> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>
> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It would 
> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then

Wouldn't surprise me in the least, if he'd just run a Live-CD. 

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William
1/6/2015 12:00:12 AM
On Monday, 5 January 2015 23:48:26 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:26:01 AM UTC-7, tmelmosfire wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 January 2015 18:20:28 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> > > > On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
> > > > 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
> > > > <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > > On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> > > > >>=20
> > > > >>=20
> > > > >> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
> > > > >> logic would be flawed.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> > > > > ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
> > > > > only one area.
> > > >=20
> > > >   cc:
> > > >     -----
> > > >     If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
> > > >     -----=20
> > > >=20
> > > > You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
> > >=20
> > > Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time profession=
al", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time semi-professional" thread =
again? That one is always a hoot ;)
> >=20
> > What is stopping you?
>=20
> Nothing. Can I count on you hypocritically whining about an old post? Lik=
e I've said before, you can't shake a stick at the Google archive without s=
ome of your BS falling out... here's some now (from that thread). Hmm, "int=
eresting",  it's a claim of 'quoting' Znu, without providing any links, nat=
urally.  You wrote (and quoted to your detriment), the following:

I did not write these things.

> --
> But it is easy to quote ZnU noting where DW does not handle semantic CSS:
>=20
>   ZnU
>     -----
>     These sorts of tools basically died a much-deserved death in
>     professional markets years ago with the rise of semantic HTML
>     and CSS. Particularly using WYSIWYG tools to create HTML that
>     developers are going to have to work with directly just seems
>     cruel.
>     -----
>     Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG features are worse than useless for
>     constructing modern semantically structured pages with
>     CSS-based layout
>     -----
>     It merely presupposes that people creating semantic HTML +
>     CSS layouts aren't going to be using Dreamweaver. Which, if
>     you understand how useless it is to this task, is not an
>     unreasonable thing to assume.
>     -----
>     Similarly, it is quite possible that the Dreamweaver
>     interface effectively encourages writing non-semantic code
>     even as DW training materials warn against it.
>     -----

First you said I was Snit. Now you claim I am Znu. This means you think Znu=
 is also Snit. He is also Slimer and Onion Knight and you and everyone else=
..

Fuck you are stupid.

> "What tool are you using that does try to solve this problem for the desi=
gner?"

> Gee, Snit... why are you seen asking Znu this question

Snit is not an expert unless he knows the tools Znu uses.

You are fucking insane and stupid.
0
tmelmosfire
1/6/2015 12:05:00 AM
On 1/5/15, 5:05 PM, in article
c9b95e36-0582-4b56-becd-9bdb3c6f29e0@googlegroups.com, "tmelmosfire"
<tmelmosfire@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 5 January 2015 23:48:26 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:26:01 AM UTC-7, tmelmosfire wrote:
>>> On Monday, 5 January 2015 18:20:28 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
>>>>> 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
>>>>> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
>>>>>>> logic would be flawed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
>>>>>> ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
>>>>>> only one area.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   cc:
>>>>>     -----
>>>>>     If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
>>>>>     ----- 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
>>>> 
>>>> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time professional",
>>>> "part time, semi-professional",  "full time semi-professional" thread
>>>> again? That one is always a hoot ;)
>>> 
>>> What is stopping you?
>> 
>> Nothing. Can I count on you hypocritically whining about an old post? Like
>> I've said before, you can't shake a stick at the Google archive without some
>> of your BS falling out... here's some now (from that thread). Hmm,
>> "interesting",  it's a claim of 'quoting' Znu, without providing any links,
>> naturally.  You wrote (and quoted to your detriment), the following:
> 
> I did not write these things.
> 
>> --
>> But it is easy to quote ZnU noting where DW does not handle semantic CSS:
>> 
>>   ZnU
>>     -----
>>     These sorts of tools basically died a much-deserved death in
>>     professional markets years ago with the rise of semantic HTML
>>     and CSS. Particularly using WYSIWYG tools to create HTML that
>>     developers are going to have to work with directly just seems
>>     cruel.
>>     -----
>>     Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG features are worse than useless for
>>     constructing modern semantically structured pages with
>>     CSS-based layout
>>     -----
>>     It merely presupposes that people creating semantic HTML +
>>     CSS layouts aren't going to be using Dreamweaver. Which, if
>>     you understand how useless it is to this task, is not an
>>     unreasonable thing to assume.
>>     -----
>>     Similarly, it is quite possible that the Dreamweaver
>>     interface effectively encourages writing non-semantic code
>>     even as DW training materials warn against it.
>>     -----
> 
> First you said I was Snit. Now you claim I am Znu. This means you think Znu is
> also Snit. He is also Slimer and Onion Knight and you and everyone else.
> 
> 
> Fuck you are stupid.
> 
>> "What tool are you using that does try to solve this problem for the
>> designer?"
> 
>> Gee, Snit... why are you seen asking Znu this question
> 
> Snit is not an expert unless he knows the tools Znu uses.
> 
> You are fucking insane and stupid.

Seems Carroll is having another one of his breakdowns where he cannot tell
who wrote what.


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Snit
1/6/2015 12:14:40 AM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 4:47:43 PM UTC-7, Slimer wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:29:20 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
=20
> wrote:
>=20
> > On 1/5/15, 4:06 PM, in article op.xr0ihfwr0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
> > <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run ru=
n =20
> >>>> it
> >>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update =20
> >>> linux?
> >>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
> >>>
> >>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. I=
t
> >>> would
> >>> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> >>
> >> You guys are such ridiculous liars that it's a wonder your noses haven=
't
> >> grown. At the time that Snit made those videos, Mint16 was the latest
> >> version available. As for updates, they were likely done automatically=
 =20
> >> as
> >> they are for anyone else using Linux Mint 16.
> >>
> >> It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to apologize =
=20
> >> for
> >> GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries, GNU/Linux
> >> would be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think
> >> they're free, the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and
> >> everybody is dying from ebola... but really happy they don't have all =
of
> >> that "malware" in the form of the common cold in neighbouring Microsof=
t.
> >
> > Notice Peter does not say if he thinks any of the bugs have been fixed.=
 =20
> > If
> > he could do basic research he would know which have: =20
> > <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>.
> > These are not state secrets!
> >
> > Different ones have been fixed in different versions some examples:
> >
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332568> 4.11.9
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332628> 4.13.1
> > <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332629> 4.14.0
> >
> > I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
> > "advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help =20
> > desktop
> > Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.
> >
> > If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be =20
> > thanking
> > me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.
>=20
> You should use GNU/Linux more often. Maybe after a year of your testing =
=20
> and their fixing of bugs, we might end up with something as good as =20
> Windows 2000.

Snit's "bugs" have probably been internally tagged as running under a VM so=
 no one is going to touch them (and who could blame them). DFS has the righ=
t idea with this thread. It's pretty funny that Snit was *so* stupid in his=
 zeal to troll that he did all that work for nothing ;)
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Steve
1/6/2015 12:19:04 AM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:59:09 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
 =

wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 4:47 PM, in article op.xr0kdqdu0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>>>> It's amazing what kind of ridiculous excuses you'll make to  =

>>>> apologize  for
>>>> GNU/Linux's poor state. If operating systems were countries,  =

>>>> GNU/Linux would
>>>> be Liberia... where the slaves living within the country think  =

>>>> they're free,
>>>> the leaders are incompetent to manage the finances and everybody is=
  =

>>>> dying
>>>> from ebola... but really happy they don't have all of that "malware=
"  =

>>>> in the
>>>> form of the common cold in neighbouring Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Notice Peter does not say if he thinks any of the bugs have been fix=
ed.
>>
>>> If he could do basic research he would know which have:
>>> <http://goo.gl/4GKaP9>.
>>> These are not state secrets!
>>>
>>> Different ones have been fixed in different versions some examples:
>>>
>>> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332568> 4.11.9
>>> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332628> 4.13.1
>>> <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D332629> 4.14.0
>>>
>>> I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
>>> "advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help  =
 =

>>> desktop
>>> Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.
>>>
>>> If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be =
  =

>>> thanking
>>> me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.
>>
>> You should use GNU/Linux more often. Maybe after a year of your testi=
ng
>> and their fixing of bugs, we might end up with something as good as
>> Windows 2000.
>
> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows 95.=


In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible wintro=
ll.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
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Slimer
1/6/2015 12:58:32 AM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 5:05:02 PM UTC-7, tmelmosfire wrote:
> On Monday, 5 January 2015 23:48:26 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> > On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:26:01 AM UTC-7, tmelmosfire wrote:
> > > On Monday, 5 January 2015 18:20:28 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> > > > > On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
> > > > > 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
> > > > > <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >=20
> > > > > > On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> > > > > >>=20
> > > > > >>=20
> > > > > >> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
> > > > > >> logic would be flawed.
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> > > > > > ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking =
in
> > > > > > only one area.
> > > > >=20
> > > > >   cc:
> > > > >     -----
> > > > >     If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
> > > > >     -----=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
> > > >=20
> > > > Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time professi=
onal", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time semi-professional" threa=
d again? That one is always a hoot ;)
> > >=20
> > > What is stopping you?
> >=20
> > Nothing. Can I count on you hypocritically whining about an old post? L=
ike I've said before, you can't shake a stick at the Google archive without=
 some of your BS falling out... here's some now (from that thread). Hmm, "i=
nteresting",  it's a claim of 'quoting' Znu, without providing any links, n=
aturally.  You wrote (and quoted to your detriment), the following:
>=20
> I did not write these things.

You wrote them, Snit... Google proves it.


> > --
> > But it is easy to quote ZnU noting where DW does not handle semantic CS=
S:
> >=20
> >   ZnU
> >     -----
> >     These sorts of tools basically died a much-deserved death in
> >     professional markets years ago with the rise of semantic HTML
> >     and CSS. Particularly using WYSIWYG tools to create HTML that
> >     developers are going to have to work with directly just seems
> >     cruel.
> >     -----
> >     Dreamweaver's WYSIWYG features are worse than useless for
> >     constructing modern semantically structured pages with
> >     CSS-based layout
> >     -----
> >     It merely presupposes that people creating semantic HTML +
> >     CSS layouts aren't going to be using Dreamweaver. Which, if
> >     you understand how useless it is to this task, is not an
> >     unreasonable thing to assume.
> >     -----
> >     Similarly, it is quite possible that the Dreamweaver
> >     interface effectively encourages writing non-semantic code
> >     even as DW training materials warn against it.
> >     -----
>=20
> First you said I was Snit. Now you claim I am Znu.

Put the crack pipe down already, you've obviously had enough ;)

> > "What tool are you using that does try to solve this problem for the de=
signer?"
>=20
> > Gee, Snit... why are you seen asking Znu this question
>=20
> Snit is not an expert unless he knows the tools Znu uses.

LOL! Who said anything about you being an "expert"?!  We're talking about w=
hat any idiot can see that DW couldn't do with CSS ;)
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Steve
1/6/2015 1:11:51 AM
On 1/5/15, 5:58 PM, in article op.xr0nnusi0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>>>> I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
>>>> "advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help
>>>> desktop
>>>> Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.
>>>> 
>>>> If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be
>>>> thanking
>>>> me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.
>>> 
>>> You should use GNU/Linux more often. Maybe after a year of your testing
>>> and their fixing of bugs, we might end up with something as good as
>>> Windows 2000.
>> 
>> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows 95.
> 
> In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible wintroll.

Well, quicker than Carroll will end his obsession with me, so there is that.
:)


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Snit
1/6/2015 1:31:02 AM
On Monday, January 5, 2015 6:31:08 PM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 1/5/15, 5:58 PM, in article op.xr0nnusi0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>=20
> >>>> I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
> >>>> "advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help
> >>>> desktop
> >>>> Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.
> >>>>=20
> >>>> If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be
> >>>> thanking
> >>>> me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.
> >>>=20
> >>> You should use GNU/Linux more often. Maybe after a year of your testi=
ng
> >>> and their fixing of bugs, we might end up with something as good as
> >>> Windows 2000.
> >>=20
> >> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows 95.
> >=20
> > In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible wintr=
oll.
>=20
> Well, quicker than Carroll will end his obsession with me, so there is th=
at.
> :)

Obsession? LOL! Are you on crack again, Snit?=20

I ask because earlier you invited someone to have some "fun" and being that=
 this is a public newsgroup...=20

"Why not quote the top ten lies I have made. I welcome it... would be fun."

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/2jAWOrF0L=
qg/qC601vOAVSAJ

Doesn't really seem like you're having  much "fun" but at least you're taki=
ng one of your socks out for an 'airing'.

I'm having extra "fun" ... by watching you whine about "wrongs" you keep cl=
aiming don't exist. Ah, maybe you're nose is outta joint because you don't =
consider what I'm providing as the top ten? OK, I'll admit I didn't go and =
look especially for this occasion, those just popped up in the normal cours=
e of dealing with you. Like I said, you can't shake a stick at the Google a=
rchive without coming up with one of your snitpiles ;)
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Steve
1/6/2015 1:54:07 AM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 20:31:02 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
 =

wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 5:58 PM, in article op.xr0nnusi0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>>>>> I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the=

>>>>> "advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help=

>>>>> desktop
>>>>> Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should b=
e
>>>>> thanking
>>>>> me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.
>>>>
>>>> You should use GNU/Linux more often. Maybe after a year of your  =

>>>> testing
>>>> and their fixing of bugs, we might end up with something as good as=

>>>> Windows 2000.
>>>
>>> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows 9=
5.
>>
>> In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible  =

>> wintroll.
>
> Well, quicker than Carroll will end his obsession with me, so there is=
  =

> that.
> :)

I'm getting the impression that Steve Carroll thinks you're an 80 year-o=
ld  =

woman and that by pestering you, he might eventually convince you to go =
 =

out with him. That seems to be his type.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
0
Slimer
1/6/2015 2:01:24 AM
On 1/5/15, 7:01 PM, in article op.xr0qkmwl0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

>>>> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows 95.
>>> 
>>> In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible
>>> wintroll.
>> 
>> Well, quicker than Carroll will end his obsession with me, so there is
>> that.
>> :)
> 
> I'm getting the impression that Steve Carroll thinks you're an 80 year-old
> woman and that by pestering you, he might eventually convince you to go
> out with him. That seems to be his type.

I wish he would find someone on his senior dating site.


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Snit
1/6/2015 2:30:14 AM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:30:14 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
 =

wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 7:01 PM, in article op.xr0qkmwl0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>>>>> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows=
  =

>>>>> 95.
>>>>
>>>> In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible
>>>> wintroll.
>>>
>>> Well, quicker than Carroll will end his obsession with me, so there =
is
>>> that.
>>> :)
>>
>> I'm getting the impression that Steve Carroll thinks you're an 80  =

>> year-old
>> woman and that by pestering you, he might eventually convince you to =
go
>> out with him. That seems to be his type.
>
> I wish he would find someone on his senior dating site.

Nah, even demented, desperate and lonely old fossils think he's too much=
  =

of a loser for them to waste their incredibly large amount of free time =
on.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
0
Slimer
1/6/2015 2:36:03 AM
On 1/5/15, 7:36 PM, in article op.xr0r6dcf0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:30:14 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/15, 7:01 PM, in article op.xr0qkmwl0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windows
>>>>>> 95.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible
>>>>> wintroll.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, quicker than Carroll will end his obsession with me, so there is
>>>> that.
>>>> :)
>>> 
>>> I'm getting the impression that Steve Carroll thinks you're an 80
>>> year-old
>>> woman and that by pestering you, he might eventually convince you to go
>>> out with him. That seems to be his type.
>> 
>> I wish he would find someone on his senior dating site.
> 
> Nah, even demented, desperate and lonely old fossils think he's too much
> of a loser for them to waste their incredibly large amount of free time on.

Perhaps - but if he found someone maybe he would obsess over me less. It
really is a sickness for him... and likely one of the reasons he has not
found anyone yet. Assuming you were single, would you want to date a woman
who was obsessed about someone online she had not even met face to face and
did not even read her continual comments? That would be a *huge* red flag to
me.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

0
Snit
1/6/2015 2:43:16 AM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:00:12 -0500, William Poaster <wp@dev.null> wrote:=


> It was reported that Peter K=C3=B6hlmann posted:
>
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> It was reported that Peter K=C3=B6hlmann posted:
>>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter K=C3=B6hlmann wrote:
>>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. O=
K.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers did=
n't
>>>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodat=
e  =

>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of=
  =

>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>> - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder =
and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says  =

>>>>>>> Copy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>>>> Because I seem to have a special "K=C3=B6hlmann-version" of KDE w=
hich  =

>>>>>> works
>>>>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of=
  =

>>>>>> KDE
>>>>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old=

>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>
>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age i=
n
>>>> linux time
>>>
>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run ru=
n  =

>>> it
>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>
>>
>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update lin=
ux?
>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>
>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. I=
t  =

>> would
>> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
>
> Wouldn't surprise me in the least, if he'd just run a Live-CD.

Jabba the Poaster, coming up with more excuses for GNU/Linux's mediocrit=
y.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
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Slimer
1/6/2015 2:09:06 PM
On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:43:16 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> =
 =

wrote:

> On 1/5/15, 7:36 PM, in article op.xr0r6dcf0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer"
> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:30:14 -0500, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.co=
m>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/5/15, 7:01 PM, in article op.xr0qkmwl0vu8t6@slick.home, "Slimer=
"
>>> <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I would be impressed to see KDE get to the level polish of Windo=
ws
>>>>>>> 95.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2039. If you expect it any sooner, you're a horrible, horrible=

>>>>>> wintroll.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, quicker than Carroll will end his obsession with me, so ther=
e  =

>>>>> is
>>>>> that.
>>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting the impression that Steve Carroll thinks you're an 80
>>>> year-old
>>>> woman and that by pestering you, he might eventually convince you t=
o  =

>>>> go
>>>> out with him. That seems to be his type.
>>>
>>> I wish he would find someone on his senior dating site.
>>
>> Nah, even demented, desperate and lonely old fossils think he's too m=
uch
>> of a loser for them to waste their incredibly large amount of free ti=
me  =

>> on.
>
> Perhaps - but if he found someone maybe he would obsess over me less. =
It
> really is a sickness for him... and likely one of the reasons he has n=
ot
> found anyone yet. Assuming you were single, would you want to date a  =

> woman
> who was obsessed about someone online she had not even met face to fac=
e  =

> and
> did not even read her continual comments? That would be a *huge* red  =

> flag to
> me.

Steven Petruzzellis and I differ in that I don't consider women worth  =

dating if they're older than 30.

-- =

Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter and SPCA Paw Partner

"[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child =
 =

pornography, and even incest and pedophilia =E2=80=A6 should be legal as=
 long as  =

no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and  =

narrowmindedness." - Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2003-may-aug.html>, 28 June, 2003.

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.=
  =

The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't=
  =

voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the =
 =

idea that their little baby is maturing." -
Richard Stallman  =

<https://www.stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html#05%20June%202006%20=
%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29>,  =

5 June, 2006.

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that  =

willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.
Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not  =

realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly  =

object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not  =

willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue." -=
  =

Richard Stallman,  =

<https://stallman.org/archives/2012-nov-feb.html#04_January_2013_%28Pedo=
philia%29>,  =

4 January, 2013.

Even Bryan Lunduke believes Richard Stallman is a creepy, out-of-touch  =

problem in the open-source world.  =

<http://lunduke.com/2009/07/21/richard-stallman-bringer-of-doom/>
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Slimer
1/6/2015 2:10:07 PM
On 1/5/2015 6:11 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
>> Köhlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>>
>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>>>> linux time
>>>>
>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>>
>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
>>
>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good grief. Are
>> you really unable to figure out that videos from the past are not about
>> now-current versions?
>
> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
>
>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way. You are
>> simply lying.
>>
>
> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If you had
> *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets updated
> every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which are
> already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year old
> (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed

uh huh... everything in Linux is always fixed in the next version, the 
next release, the next kernel...

Such bullshit.  Even if the KDE Snit ran was 2 years old at the time, 
there's no excuse for the ridiculous bugs, issues and inconsistencies he 
revealed.

The childish whining and excuses you "advocates" make for the 
incompetent hobbyware are just pathetic.



> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can be
> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing

It was right there in the video.


0
DFS
1/6/2015 2:12:35 PM
On 1/5/2015 7:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:

> Snit's "bugs" have probably been internally tagged as running under a
> VM so no one is going to touch them (and who could blame them). DFS
> has the right idea with this thread. It's pretty funny that Snit was
> *so* stupid in his zeal to troll that he did all that work for
> nothing ;)


Not for nothing - those videos generated hundreds of posts and lots of 
discussion, and provided damning evidence of how bad Linux/FOSS really is.

I might even be inspired to make and post my own crapware 
screencasts/videos - you know I can tear that shit to shreds - tho I'm 
not sure I want my voice to be heard by cola losers.


0
DFS
1/6/2015 2:23:23 PM
On 1/5/2015 1:20 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
>> On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
>> 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
>> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
>>>> logic would be flawed.
>>>
>>> Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
>>> ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking
>>> in only one area.
>>
>> cc: ----- If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is, -----
>>
>> You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
>
> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time
> professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time
> semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)


LOL!  That sounds like it could be fun!

Give us some choice Snit quotes from it.


0
DFS
1/6/2015 2:23:35 PM
On 1/5/2015 5:55 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of files
>>>>>> - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a folder and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says Copy).
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>>> Because I seem to have a special "Köhlmann-version" of KDE which works
>>>>> correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version of KDE
>>>>> instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>> version is plenty current
>>>
>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>> linux time
>>
>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>
>
> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>
> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It would
> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then


Another bullshit Kohlmann lie about KDE being "very old".

When Snit made those videos, he was using the very latest Mint available 
(v16), which was probably using the very latest KDE available at that 
time.  Your incredibly lame version excuse is pathetic, but it's all you 
have.  The shittiest software on the planet can't be defended.

Windows Explorer has never - in its entire history - had the kind of 
bugs and issues and inconsistencies Snit found in KDE/Dolphin in 2013/2014.

As I alluded to in my first post in this thread, anyone doing testing or 
comparing should reveal every detail that's relevant: distro name and 
version, desktop name and version, Dolphin version, in a vm or not (Snit 
hid that on purpose - he purposely chopped off the top and bottom of the 
screen).

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DFS
1/6/2015 2:25:05 PM
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:12:56 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> On 1/5/2015 6:11 PM, Peter K=F6hlmann wrote:
> > Snit wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me, "Peter
> >> K=F6hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
> >>>>>> version is plenty current
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age i=
n
> >>>>> linux time
> >>>>
> >>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run ru=
n it
> >>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update lin=
ux?
> >>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
> >>>
> >>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. I=
t
> >>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> >>
> >> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good grief.=
 Are
> >> you really unable to figure out that videos from the past are not abou=
t
> >> now-current versions?
> >
> > Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
> >
> >> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way. You are
> >> simply lying.
> >>
> >
> > The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If you=
 had
> > *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets updated
> > every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which are
> > already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a yea=
r old
> > (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
>=20
> uh huh... everything in Linux is always fixed in the next version, the=20
> next release, the next kernel...
>=20
> Such bullshit.  Even if the KDE Snit ran was 2 years old at the time,=20
> there's no excuse for the ridiculous bugs, issues and inconsistencies he=
=20
> revealed.

That's ridiculous, of course there's an excuse. As it's not a commercial pr=
oduct, its bugs are looked at and fixed by volunteers that lack resources a=
vailable to those creating proprietary software.


> The childish whining and excuses you "advocates" make for the=20
> incompetent hobbyware are just pathetic.

Grow a brain already, It's childish to pretend that "hobbyware" doesn't hav=
e an "excuse" when it can't compete well (in the minds of many) with commer=
cial offerings.


> > The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can =
be
> > taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
>=20
> It was right there in the video.

Running in a VM. You had the right idea with this thread.

0
Steve
1/6/2015 2:51:14 PM
DFS wrote:

> On 1/5/2015 5:55 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> It was reported that Peter Köhlmann posted:
>>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/5/2015 10:13 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/5/2015 8:08 AM, Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 01/03/2015 01:01 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am showing all sorts of bizarre bugs. But you ignore that. OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have ignored nothing.  All you've shown is the developers didn't
>>>>>>>> anticipate your bizarre way of using the system, and accommodate
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where "bizarre" means creating and deleting and keeping track of
>>>>>>> files - which the Dolphin shitware failed at (put 3 files in a
>>>>>>> folder and the
>>>>>>> crapware only reports 2.  Delete a file and the last Undo says
>>>>>>> Copy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad that I can't replicate your "bugs"
>>>>>> Because I seem to have a special "Köhlmann-version" of KDE which
>>>>>> works correctly. At least have the decency and use a current version
>>>>>> of KDE instead of "reporting" that shite you are doing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A 1.1 year old
>>>>> version is plenty current
>>>>
>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the stone age in
>>>> linux time
>>>
>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>>
>>
>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>
>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> 
> 
> Another bullshit Kohlmann lie about KDE being "very old".
> 
> When Snit made those videos, he was using the very latest Mint available
> (v16), which was probably using the very latest KDE available at that
> time.

"At that time". 3 month later it was outdated if not constantly updated to 
the last version.
Once again for the mentally impaired (you are one of them): With my current 
KDE version I do *not* have the issues about file/directory creation or 
undoing you stupid bozos keep crowing about.

The "Snit issues" of his videos are of no interest at all to me. After I 
found the first doctored video I knew what to expect. Nothing but lies

0
Peter
1/6/2015 3:13:01 PM
On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 09:23:23 -0500, DFS wrote:

> On 1/5/2015 7:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
>> Snit's "bugs" have probably been internally tagged as running under a
>> VM so no one is going to touch them (and who could blame them). DFS
>> has the right idea with this thread. It's pretty funny that Snit was
>> *so* stupid in his zeal to troll that he did all that work for
>> nothing ;)
> 
> 
> Not for nothing - those videos generated hundreds of posts and lots of 
> discussion, and provided damning evidence of how bad Linux/FOSS really is.
> 
> I might even be inspired to make and post my own crapware 
> screencasts/videos - you know I can tear that shit to shreds - tho I'm 
> not sure I want my voice to be heard by cola losers.

I once posted screen shots of the Nvidia permissions problem where
you couldn't save the monitor/card settings. 
Of course the Linux loons claimed "works for me" and the screen shots
were faked. Then I posted links to others having the problem and they
claimed I was seeding the help groups. Finally I posted links to the
bug being reported and acknowledged at which point they went silent
and ran away.

It's what they do.
They can't advocate Linux on it's own merits and they can't accept
Linux's problems so the net result is problems move from distribution
to distribution and version to version without getting fixed.


-- 
flatfish+++

Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of
Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
0
us
1/6/2015 3:19:12 PM
On 1/6/2015 9:51 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:12:56 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
>> On 1/5/2015 6:11 PM, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me,
>>>> "Peter K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A
>>>>>>>> 1.1 year old version is plenty current
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the
>>>>>>> stone age in linux time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't
>>>>>> he run run it in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare
>>>>>> metal".
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually
>>>>> update linux? After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan
>>>>> about then
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE
>>>>> version. It would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old
>>>>> version then
>>>>
>>>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good
>>>> grief. Are you really unable to figure out that videos from the
>>>> past are not about now-current versions?
>>>
>>> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
>>>
>>>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way.
>>>> You are simply lying.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version.
>>> If you had *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that.
>>> KDE gets updated every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version
>>> could show "bugs" which are already no longer present in the
>>> current version. A KDE more than a year old (as is yours) *is* a
>>> *very* *old* KDE indeed
>>
>> uh huh... everything in Linux is always fixed in the next version,
>> the next release, the next kernel...
>>
>> Such bullshit.  Even if the KDE Snit ran was 2 years old at the
>> time, there's no excuse for the ridiculous bugs, issues and
>> inconsistencies he revealed.
>
> That's ridiculous, of course there's an excuse. As it's not a
> commercial product, its bugs are looked at and fixed by volunteers
> that lack resources available to those creating proprietary
> software.

They have plenty of resources, just not the 2 most important ones: 
intelligence and commitment.



>> The childish whining and excuses you "advocates" make for the
>> incompetent hobbyware are just pathetic.
>
> Grow a brain already, It's childish to pretend that "hobbyware"
> doesn't have an "excuse" when it can't compete well (in the minds of
> many) with commercial offerings.

Why are you putting hobbyware in quotes?




>>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you
>>> claim can be taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
>>
>> It was right there in the video.
>
> Running in a VM. You had the right idea with this thread.

Quit trying to defend the indefensible - that's a cola chump move.  vm 
issues would have no effect on the vast majority of the bugs and issues 
and inconsistencies in the videos.

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DFS
1/6/2015 4:13:16 PM
On 31/12/2014 00:01, TomB wrote:
> On 2014-12-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>
>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>
>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>
> Ho, friends again? Not nice!
>
> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE. So? That's more
> than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it. The last thing I
> did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was transfer a
> directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a Debian
> server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>

Wow! That's really pushing the envelope..................
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Desk
1/6/2015 4:29:37 PM
On 1/6/15, 7:25 AM, in article m8gr7p$euq$10@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't he run run it
>>> in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare metal".
>>> 
>> 
>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>> 
>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It would
>> be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
> 
> 
> Another bullshit Kohlmann lie about KDE being "very old".
> 
> When Snit made those videos, he was using the very latest Mint available
> (v16), which was probably using the very latest KDE available at that
> time.  Your incredibly lame version excuse is pathetic, but it's all you
> have.  The shittiest software on the planet can't be defended.

And I posted the bugs - and have shown that in COLA.

> Windows Explorer has never - in its entire history - had the kind of
> bugs and issues and inconsistencies Snit found in KDE/Dolphin in 2013/2014.

Neither Windows nor any version of Mac OS. Ever.

> As I alluded to in my first post in this thread, anyone doing testing or
> comparing should reveal every detail that's relevant: distro name and
> version, desktop name and version, Dolphin version, in a vm or not (Snit
> hid that on purpose - he purposely chopped off the top and bottom of the
> screen).

I do not hide it, I simply am showing the UI screen, I have it set to be
16:9, which is common. To include the VM titlebar would make it not be that
and would make details harder to see.

I do the same thing with my Windows videos for my classes. It has *never*
been an issue and I have several hours of videos there (you can see a demo
on my site if you care).


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* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:52:39 PM
On 1/6/15, 7:23 AM, in article m8gr4v$euq$8@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 1/5/2015 1:20 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
>>> On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
>>> 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
>>> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
>>>>> logic would be flawed.
>>>> 
>>>> Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
>>>> ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking
>>>> in only one area.
>>> 
>>> cc: ----- If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is, -----
>>> 
>>> You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
>> 
>> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time
>> professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time
>> semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)
> 
> 
> LOL!  That sounds like it could be fun!
> 
> Give us some choice Snit quotes from it.

And context.


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* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:53:14 PM
On 1/6/15, 7:23 AM, in article m8gr4j$euq$7@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 1/5/2015 7:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> 
>> Snit's "bugs" have probably been internally tagged as running under a
>> VM so no one is going to touch them (and who could blame them). DFS
>> has the right idea with this thread. It's pretty funny that Snit was
>> *so* stupid in his zeal to troll that he did all that work for
>> nothing ;)
> 
> 
> Not for nothing - those videos generated hundreds of posts and lots of
> discussion, and provided damning evidence of how bad Linux/FOSS really is.
> 
> I might even be inspired to make and post my own crapware
> screencasts/videos - you know I can tear that shit to shreds - tho I'm
> not sure I want my voice to be heard by cola losers.
> 
> 

Would love to see them.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:53:30 PM
On 1/6/15, 9:29 AM, in article m8h2gm$g2u$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org, "Desk
Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote:

> On 31/12/2014 00:01, TomB wrote:
>> On 2014-12-30, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>> It won't change much - probably nothing at all - but it might eliminate
>>> a video or filesystem refresh issue here and there.
>>> 
>>> Running Linux in a vm lets the cola losers /think/ they can dismiss the
>>> sad spectacle of their amateurish hobbyware failing at the basics, but
>>> running it from the hard drive will at least shut down that angle of
>>> kiddie denial from the "advocates".
>>> 
>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Ho, friends again? Not nice!
>> 
>> On topic: sure there are (mostly minor) bugs in KDE. So? That's more
>> than sweetened by all the goodness you get from it. The last thing I
>> did on my KDE desktop before I left work today was transfer a
>> directory with SSL certificates from a Windows share to a Debian
>> server, from one Dolphin tab to the other, just like that.
>> 
> 
> Wow! That's really pushing the envelope..................

:)


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:54:13 PM
On 1/6/15, 9:13 AM, in article m8h1ik$bqd$5@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you
>>>> claim can be taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
>>> 
>>> It was right there in the video.
>> 
>> Running in a VM. You had the right idea with this thread.
> 
> Quit trying to defend the indefensible - that's a cola chump move.  vm
> issues would have no effect on the vast majority of the bugs and issues
> and inconsistencies in the videos.

I could get a direct line to God and quote him and Carroll would claim to
find massive flaws and lies with what I say. He is not sane.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:55:12 PM
On 1/6/15, 8:19 AM, in article 673807bxcnq9.76ufdyrrwpkt.dlg@40tude.net,
"flatfish+++" <phlatphish@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 09:23:23 -0500, DFS wrote:
> 
>> On 1/5/2015 7:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> 
>>> Snit's "bugs" have probably been internally tagged as running under a
>>> VM so no one is going to touch them (and who could blame them). DFS
>>> has the right idea with this thread. It's pretty funny that Snit was
>>> *so* stupid in his zeal to troll that he did all that work for
>>> nothing ;)
>> 
>> 
>> Not for nothing - those videos generated hundreds of posts and lots of
>> discussion, and provided damning evidence of how bad Linux/FOSS really is.
>> 
>> I might even be inspired to make and post my own crapware
>> screencasts/videos - you know I can tear that shit to shreds - tho I'm
>> not sure I want my voice to be heard by cola losers.
> 
> I once posted screen shots of the Nvidia permissions problem where
> you couldn't save the monitor/card settings.
> Of course the Linux loons claimed "works for me" and the screen shots
> were faked. Then I posted links to others having the problem and they
> claimed I was seeding the help groups. Finally I posted links to the
> bug being reported and acknowledged at which point they went silent
> and ran away.
> 
> It's what they do.
> They can't advocate Linux on it's own merits and they can't accept
> Linux's problems so the net result is problems move from distribution
> to distribution and version to version without getting fixed.
> 
They are a cult-like herd of convenient friends. Time and time again this is
proved.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:55:38 PM
On 1/6/15, 8:13 AM, in article m8gu13$r9c$1@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
<peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually update linux?
>>> After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan about then
>>> 
>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE version. It
>>> would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old version then
>> 
>> 
>> Another bullshit Kohlmann lie about KDE being "very old".
>> 
>> When Snit made those videos, he was using the very latest Mint available
>> (v16), which was probably using the very latest KDE available at that
>> time.
> 
> "At that time". 3 month later it was outdated if not constantly updated to
> the last version.
> Once again for the mentally impaired (you are one of them): With my current
> KDE version I do *not* have the issues about file/directory creation or
> undoing you stupid bozos keep crowing about.
> 
> The "Snit issues" of his videos are of no interest at all to me. After I
> found the first doctored video I knew what to expect. Nothing but lies

With me "forged" video - the one with Easter Eggs - I make it abundantly
clear it is an April Fools joke. Good grief. Even for you that is a lame
excuse.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:56:40 PM
On 1/6/15, 7:12 AM, in article m8gqgb$dc3$1@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version. If you had
>> *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that. KDE gets updated
>> every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version could show "bugs" which are
>> already no longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year old
>> (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
> 
> uh huh... everything in Linux is always fixed in the next version, the
> next release, the next kernel...
> 
> Such bullshit.  Even if the KDE Snit ran was 2 years old at the time,
> there's no excuse for the ridiculous bugs, issues and inconsistencies he
> revealed.
> 
> The childish whining and excuses you "advocates" make for the
> incompetent hobbyware are just pathetic.
> 
> 
> 
>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you claim can be
>> taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
> 
> It was right there in the video.

It is never the fault of desktop Linux. One must show the version of not
just the distro but every component, and even then it is "forged". This is
true even when you submit bug reports.

Some bugs have been fixed in different versions:

<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332568> 4.11.9
<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332628> 4.13.1
<https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332629> 4.14.0

I have almost surely done more to help KDE improve than all of the
"advocates" combined. Heck, I have almost surely done more to help desktop
Linux improve than all the "advocates" combined.

If they *really* wanted to see desktop Linux do well they should be thanking
me and encouraging me to do what they clearly cannot.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/6/2015 4:58:54 PM
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 9:13:37 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> On 1/6/2015 9:51 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:12:56 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> >> On 1/5/2015 6:11 PM, Peter K=F6hlmann wrote:
> >>> Snit wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me,
> >>>> "Peter K=F6hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.  A
> >>>>>>>> 1.1 year old version is plenty current
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from the
> >>>>>>> stone age in linux time
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And didn't
> >>>>>> he run run it in a VM? Never as good as running it on "bare
> >>>>>> metal".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser actually
> >>>>> update linux? After all, it might have less "bugs" to moan
> >>>>> about then
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the KDE
> >>>>> version. It would be glaring obvious that he uses a very old
> >>>>> version then
> >>>>
> >>>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created. Good
> >>>> grief. Are you really unable to figure out that videos from the
> >>>> past are not about now-current versions?
> >>>
> >>> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
> >>>
> >>>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any way.
> >>>> You are simply lying.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE version.
> >>> If you had *any* clue whatsoever about linux you would know that.
> >>> KDE gets updated every few weeks. Even a 3 month old version
> >>> could show "bugs" which are already no longer present in the
> >>> current version. A KDE more than a year old (as is yours) *is* a
> >>> *very* *old* KDE indeed
> >>
> >> uh huh... everything in Linux is always fixed in the next version,
> >> the next release, the next kernel...
> >>
> >> Such bullshit.  Even if the KDE Snit ran was 2 years old at the
> >> time, there's no excuse for the ridiculous bugs, issues and
> >> inconsistencies he revealed.
> >
> > That's ridiculous, of course there's an excuse. As it's not a
> > commercial product, its bugs are looked at and fixed by volunteers
> > that lack resources available to those creating proprietary
> > software.
>=20
> They have plenty of resources, just not the 2 most important ones:=20
> intelligence and commitment.

Neither of which are ever in any appreciable quantity unless renumeration i=
s involved.=20

By the way, you've just argued that writing an OS (or, at least, a GUI for =
the Linux kernel) can be done with no "intelligence and commitment."  You r=
eally wanna go that far into Snit territory?


> >> The childish whining and excuses you "advocates" make for the
> >> incompetent hobbyware are just pathetic.
> >
> > Grow a brain already, It's childish to pretend that "hobbyware"
> > doesn't have an "excuse" when it can't compete well (in the minds of
> > many) with commercial offerings.
>=20
> Why are you putting hobbyware in quotes?

To remind you that even you're making the delineation.

> >>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you
> >>> claim can be taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
> >>
> >> It was right there in the video.
> >
> > Running in a VM. You had the right idea with this thread.
>=20
> Quit trying to defend the indefensible - that's a cola chump move.=20

LOL! Dude, you just falsely stated "there's no excuse...", so don't be a co=
la chump yourself when I provide a valid one that you have no logical respo=
nse to.

 vm=20
> issues would have no effect on the vast majority of the bugs and issues=
=20
> and inconsistencies in the videos.

Why not remove all the doubt if you're going to make the arguments you're m=
aking (like your here thread suggests)?=20

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Steve
1/6/2015 6:40:53 PM
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 9:53:19 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> On 1/6/15, 7:23 AM, in article m8gr4v$euq$8@dont-email.me, "DFS"
> <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 1/5/2015 1:20 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
> >>> On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
> >>> 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
> >>> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
> >>>>> logic would be flawed.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
> >>>> ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking
> >>>> in only one area.
> >>> 
> >>> cc: ----- If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is, -----
> >>> 
> >>> You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
> >> 
> >> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time
> >> professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time
> >> semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)
> > 
> > 
> > LOL!  That sounds like it could be fun!
> > 
> > Give us some choice Snit quotes from it.
> 
> And context.

As you know, the context was about being a "web developer". You seem to believe i won't play fair so... here's as fair as you can get:

Why don't you describe your status as a web developer, right here, right now?

Just don't forget that the Google archive lurks in the shadows ;)
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Steve
1/6/2015 6:44:52 PM
On Tuesday, 6 January 2015 18:44:54 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> > >> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time
> > >> professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time
> > >> semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > LOL!  That sounds like it could be fun!
> > > 
> > > Give us some choice Snit quotes from it.
> > 
> > And context.
> 
> As you know, the context was about being a "web developer". You seem to believe i won't play fair so... here's as fair as you can get:
> 
> Why don't you state things now so that I can see if you contradict something you said years ago. Then I can pretend that years ago you were wrong.

Your support is amazing you fucktard.
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tmelmosfire
1/6/2015 7:40:34 PM
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 12:40:36 PM UTC-7, tmelmosfire wrote:
> On Tuesday, 6 January 2015 18:44:54 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
> > > >> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time
> > > >> professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time
> > > >> semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > LOL!  That sounds like it could be fun!
> > > >=20
> > > > Give us some choice Snit quotes from it.
> > >=20
> > > And context.
> >=20
> > As you know, the context was about being a "web developer". You seem to=
 believe i won't play fair so... here's as fair as you can get:
> >=20
> > Why don't you state things now=20


Because you've already set the stage to whine so I figured I'd save that BS=
 off up front. Lemme guess, you're still laboring under the delusion that C=
OLA posters haven't seen your "professional" website where you offer your s=
ervices as a "professional web developer"?=20


(snip Snit's attempt at using his "professional psyche degree"  as a red he=
rring juice sprayer).
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Steve
1/6/2015 7:51:06 PM
On 1/6/2015 1:40 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 9:13:37 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
>> On 1/6/2015 9:51 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:12:56 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
>>>> On 1/5/2015 6:11 PM, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me,
>>>>>> "Peter K�hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.
>>>>>>>>>> A 1.1 year old version is plenty current
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from
>>>>>>>>> the stone age in linux time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And
>>>>>>>> didn't he run run it in a VM? Never as good as running
>>>>>>>> it on "bare metal".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser
>>>>>>> actually update linux? After all, it might have less
>>>>>>> "bugs" to moan about then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the
>>>>>>> KDE version. It would be glaring obvious that he uses a
>>>>>>> very old version then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created.
>>>>>> Good grief. Are you really unable to figure out that videos
>>>>>> from the past are not about now-current versions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
>>>>>
>>>>>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any
>>>>>> way. You are simply lying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE
>>>>> version. If you had *any* clue whatsoever about linux you
>>>>> would know that. KDE gets updated every few weeks. Even a 3
>>>>> month old version could show "bugs" which are already no
>>>>> longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year
>>>>> old (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
>>>>
>>>> uh huh... everything in Linux is always fixed in the next
>>>> version, the next release, the next kernel...
>>>>
>>>> Such bullshit.  Even if the KDE Snit ran was 2 years old at
>>>> the time, there's no excuse for the ridiculous bugs, issues
>>>> and inconsistencies he revealed.
>>>
>>> That's ridiculous, of course there's an excuse. As it's not a
>>> commercial product, its bugs are looked at and fixed by
>>> volunteers that lack resources available to those creating
>>> proprietary software.
>>
>> They have plenty of resources, just not the 2 most important ones:
>> intelligence and commitment.
>
> Neither of which are ever in any appreciable quantity unless
> renumeration is involved.

remuneration is even better...


> By the way, you've just argued that writing an OS (or, at least, a
> GUI for the Linux kernel) can be done with no "intelligence and
> commitment."  You really wanna go that far into Snit territory?

Sure.  You wanna go that far into lame, pedantic idiot territory?



>>>> The childish whining and excuses you "advocates" make for the
>>>> incompetent hobbyware are just pathetic.
>>>
>>> Grow a brain already, It's childish to pretend that "hobbyware"
>>> doesn't have an "excuse" when it can't compete well (in the minds
>>> of many) with commercial offerings.
>>
>> Why are you putting hobbyware in quotes?
>
> To remind you that even you're making the delineation.

So do you think it's hobbyware or not?


>>>>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you
>>>>> claim can be taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
>>>>
>>>> It was right there in the video.
>>>
>>> Running in a VM. You had the right idea with this thread.
>>
>> Quit trying to defend the indefensible - that's a cola chump move.
>
> LOL! Dude, you just falsely stated "there's no excuse...", so don't
> be a cola chump yourself when I provide a valid one that you have no
> logical response to.

wtf?  vm isn't an excuse for crapware bugs.


> vm
>> issues would have no effect on the vast majority of the bugs and
>> issues and inconsistencies in the videos.
>
> Why not remove all the doubt if you're going to make the arguments
> you're making (like your here thread suggests)?

I agree.  The vm let cola losers - you all know who you are - have an 
opening to deny their software is the shittiest on the planet.




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DFS
1/7/2015 12:57:29 AM
On 1/6/15, 5:57 PM, in article m8i09h$9ik$8@dont-email.me, "DFS"
<nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> Running in a VM. You had the right idea with this thread.
>>> 
>>> Quit trying to defend the indefensible - that's a cola chump move.
>> 
>> LOL! Dude, you just falsely stated "there's no excuse...", so don't
>> be a cola chump yourself when I provide a valid one that you have no
>> logical response to.
> 
> wtf?  vm isn't an excuse for crapware bugs.

Sure, running Mint KDE in a VM makes it pop up all sorts of dishonest claims
about files being copied when they were not and the rest.

Idiotic.

It may very well been tied to some mouse errors - TomB made that claim and I
noted it in the videos. No other specific problem I show in the videos has
even been suggested to be a bug from running in a VM.



-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/7/2015 1:24:22 AM
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 5:57:50 PM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> On 1/6/2015 1:40 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 9:13:37 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> >> On 1/6/2015 9:51 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:12:56 AM UTC-7, DFS wrote:
> >>>> On 1/5/2015 6:11 PM, Peter K=F6hlmann wrote:
> >>>>> Snit wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/5/15, 3:55 PM, in article m8f4od$9id$1@dont-email.me,
> >>>>>> "Peter K=F6hlmann" <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Snit was using Mint 16 (released Nov 2013) w/ KDE.
> >>>>>>>>>> A 1.1 year old version is plenty current
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What you stupid fools call "plenty current" is from
> >>>>>>>>> the stone age in linux time
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Also depends whether he updated the Mint16 too. And
> >>>>>>>> didn't he run run it in a VM? Never as good as running
> >>>>>>>> it on "bare metal".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why would the lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser
> >>>>>>> actually update linux? After all, it might have less
> >>>>>>> "bugs" to moan about then
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is a reason that lunatic twat never mentions the
> >>>>>>> KDE version. It would be glaring obvious that he uses a
> >>>>>>> very old version then
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It was fully up-to-date at the time the video was created.
> >>>>>> Good grief. Are you really unable to figure out that videos
> >>>>>> from the past are not about now-current versions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yet you imply that the "bugs" are current
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> And I show the Mint version... it is never hidden in any
> >>>>>> way. You are simply lying.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Mint version has exactly nothing to do with the KDE
> >>>>> version. If you had *any* clue whatsoever about linux you
> >>>>> would know that. KDE gets updated every few weeks. Even a 3
> >>>>> month old version could show "bugs" which are already no
> >>>>> longer present in the current version. A KDE more than a year
> >>>>> old (as is yours) *is* a *very* *old* KDE indeed
> >>>>
> >>>> uh huh... everything in Linux is always fixed in the next
> >>>> version, the next release, the next kernel...
> >>>>
> >>>> Such bullshit.  Even if the KDE Snit ran was 2 years old at
> >>>> the time, there's no excuse for the ridiculous bugs, issues
> >>>> and inconsistencies he revealed.
> >>>
> >>> That's ridiculous, of course there's an excuse. As it's not a
> >>> commercial product, its bugs are looked at and fixed by
> >>> volunteers that lack resources available to those creating
> >>> proprietary software.
> >>
> >> They have plenty of resources, just not the 2 most important ones:
> >> intelligence and commitment.
> >
> > Neither of which are ever in any appreciable quantity unless
> > renumeration is involved.
>=20
> remuneration is even better...
>=20
>=20
> > By the way, you've just argued that writing an OS (or, at least, a
> > GUI for the Linux kernel) can be done with no "intelligence and
> > commitment."  You really wanna go that far into Snit territory?
>=20
> Sure.  You wanna go that far into lame, pedantic idiot territory?

So I'm supposed to know where your trolling ends and an actual conversation=
 might begin?


> >>>> The childish whining and excuses you "advocates" make for the
> >>>> incompetent hobbyware are just pathetic.
> >>>
> >>> Grow a brain already, It's childish to pretend that "hobbyware"
> >>> doesn't have an "excuse" when it can't compete well (in the minds
> >>> of many) with commercial offerings.
> >>
> >> Why are you putting hobbyware in quotes?
> >
> > To remind you that even you're making the delineation.
>=20
> So do you think it's hobbyware or not?

Of course it is with the proviso that the definition of that word doesn't m=
ean only unintelligent, non-pros who won't commit are doing the work ;)

=20
> >>>>> The lying imbecile is you, Snit Michael Glasser: Nothing you
> >>>>> claim can be taken as being true. Absolutely nothing
> >>>>
> >>>> It was right there in the video.
> >>>
> >>> Running in a VM. You had the right idea with this thread.
> >>
> >> Quit trying to defend the indefensible - that's a cola chump move.
> >
> > LOL! Dude, you just falsely stated "there's no excuse...", so don't
> > be a cola chump yourself when I provide a valid one that you have no
> > logical response to.
>=20
> wtf?  vm isn't an excuse for crapware bugs.
>=20
>=20
> > vm
> >> issues would have no effect on the vast majority of the bugs and
> >> issues and inconsistencies in the videos.
> >
> > Why not remove all the doubt if you're going to make the arguments
> > you're making (like your here thread suggests)?
>=20
> I agree.  The vm let cola losers - you all know who you are - have an=20
> opening to deny their software is the shittiest on the planet.

LOL! Whatever.. but it would give his videos more credibility... a thing he=
's never seemed to care much about so it probably won't happen.
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Steve
1/7/2015 8:16:12 PM
On Friday, January 2, 2015 6:48:42 AM UTC-8, John Gohde wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:39:16 PM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
> >=20
> > Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>=20
>=20
> Screencasting?  Hmn, it Might have possibilities. It might be an effectiv=
e way of making copies of streaming video, might not.  Yet, another way to =
violate the copyright of the powers that be?
>  =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
> =C2=AB=E2=8A=99=C2=BF=E2=8A=99=C2=BB  Says that DooF..Us is a few beers s=
hort of a six-pack. :)
> _`=C2=B7--=C2=B7=C2=B4_

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_screencasting_software
0
alt
1/8/2015 3:57:11 AM
On 1/7/15, 8:57 PM, in article
58814cb1-d333-4dd4-814e-f62e8fdb393d@googlegroups.com,
"alt.support.heartburn" <trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, January 2, 2015 6:48:42 AM UTC-8, John Gohde wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:39:16 PM UTC-5, DFS wrote:
>>> 
>>> Plus, you'll get to learn about Linux screencasting!
>> 
>> 
>> Screencasting?  Hmn, it Might have possibilities. It might be an effective
>> way of making copies of streaming video, might not.  Yet, another way to
>> violate the copyright of the powers that be?
>>  ������
>> ?������?  Says that DooF..Us is a few beers short of a six-pack. :)
>> _`��--����_
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_screencasting_software

Lots of omissions in export formats, and the editing section is very sparse
(no breakdown of what types of editing commands, and there are many), but a
good overview. Thanks.


-- 
* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu:     <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs?     <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders:    <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files:          <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help:                    <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation:      <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1:            <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison:   <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

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Snit
1/8/2015 4:04:47 AM
In article <rle102ua9x3t.i8j6eussm43y$.dlg@40tude.net>
tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 21:03:55 -0800 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>
> >
> > ... upload files like this ?:
> >
> > In File Explorer, Windows 8, I select any/all files I want
> > ( Ctrl·Click and/or Shift·Click ); then, to upload them,
> > I hit right·click "> _Backup" ( or "> _Me", my website ).
> >
> > The files' time·stamps are preserved, unchanged.
> >
> > This (sample) FTP command does the work:
> > C:\__\EXEs\WinSCP\WinSCP.EXE  Me  /command "put C:\aFile.TXT  /Bac/"  "exit"
> >
> > WinSCP is open source, cost·free.
> > ...
>
> So WinSCP does secure FTP, does it (I'd hope)? If so, where to download it?
> <http://winscp.net/eng/download.php>?<http://winscp.net/eng/docs/portable>?
> or elsewhere?
>
> Thanks, -- tlvp

You would like FileZilla much better.  Does SFTP - SSH.

Windows / Linux / Mac

It has portable as well.

https://filezilla-project.org/

0
mikel
1/8/2015 6:56:19 AM
On 01/05/2015 12:25 PM, tmelmosfire wrote:
> On Monday, 5 January 2015 18:20:28 UTC, Steve Carroll  wrote:
>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 10:44:54 AM UTC-7, Snit wrote:
>>> On 1/5/15, 10:36 AM, in article
>>> 09e2f951-ed80-4660-a241-934d3f646b2f@googlegroups.com, "cc"
>>> <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 5, 2015 11:05:40 AM UTC-5, Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But even if I was the most skilled person on the planet your
>>>>> logic would be flawed.
>>>>
>>>> Oh it was a simplification for sure. Besides skill there's work
>>>> ethic and opportunity. I didn't mean to imply you were lacking in
>>>> only one area.
>>>
>>>    cc:
>>>      -----
>>>      If he was half as skilled as he thinks he is,
>>>      -----
>>>
>>> You were asked to quote where I state how skilled I am.
>>
>> Should I go grab the "full time professional",  "part time professional", "part time, semi-professional",  "full time semi-professional" thread again? That one is always a hoot ;)
>
> What is stopping you? It is not like you do anything other than obsess over Snit.

Hi Snit!

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Nobody
1/9/2015 1:40:26 AM
On Thu,  8 Jan 2015 07:56:19 +0100 (CET), mikel wrote:

> You would like FileZilla much better.

Very possibly. After all, FileZilla's what I've been using, ever since v.
3.0.11.1 of 2008-07-05. But I wondered what winSCP had going for it.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
0
tlvp
1/9/2015 2:43:55 AM
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