Sold all my RHAT today; buying NOVL - comp.os.linux.advocacy

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:48 +0000, John Bailo wrote: > > I sold all my RHAT; buying NOVL With Novell's habit of screwing their business up, I'd think that a bad move. -- Tom Wilson Slackware 9.1.0 21:38:01 up 3:53, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.11

On Thursday April 01, 2004 9:39 pm, Tom Wilson vomitted: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:48 +0000, John Bailo wrote: > >> >> I sold all my RHAT; buying NOVL > > With Novell's habit of screwing their business up, I'd think that a bad > move. Please... Novell = SuSE = ONE GREAT DISTRO! Novell's making all the right moves as of late. Red Hat has been pissing off their user base. SuSE Linux is the 2nd largest distro in use in enterprise worldwide, next to Red Hat, and with the Novell acquisition, it'll make huge inroads in the US as well. SuSE/Novell/Ximian will flourish... -- Big Daddy Ruel Smith SuSE Linux 9

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:00:39 -0500, Ruel Smith wrote: > On Thursday April 01, 2004 9:39 pm, Tom Wilson vomitted: > Please... Novell = SuSE = ONE GREAT DISTRO! Novell's making all the right > moves as of late. They also had one of the best network OSen in existence but managed to nearly crumble away. > Red Hat has been pissing off their user base. I'm one of those they pissed off (Subscription to RHN at double the cost??? Yeah, right) However, they have made themselves industry darlings. Love 'em or hate 'em, they are on the way up. I will say that Novell's opening up Yast was a pleasant surprise. > SuSE/Novell/Ximian will flourish... SuSE would probably have flourished without Novell's involvement since their distros have always been so solid. Personally, I'm not so sure about Gnome/Ximian. KDE is looking *really* good nowadays. I'm not sure if the Gnome team's infatuation with Mono is the best thing. Time will tell, I guess. -- Tom Wilson Slackware 9.1.0 22:01:01 up 4:16, 2 users, load average: 0.39, 0.24, 0.14

Tom Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:00:39 -0500, Ruel Smith wrote: > > >>On Thursday April 01, 2004 9:39 pm, Tom Wilson vomitted: > > > > >>Please... Novell = SuSE = ONE GREAT DISTRO! Novell's making all the right >>moves as of late. > > > They also had one of the best network OSen in existence but managed to > nearly crumble away. Oh and that woould have nothing to do with a certain anti-competitive monopoly who uses questionable tactics to trying to push them out eh?

Error BR-549: MS DRM 1.0 rejects the following post from Tom Wilson: >> Red Hat has been pissing off their user base. > > I'm one of those they pissed off (Subscription to RHN at double the > cost??? Yeah, right) However, they have made themselves industry darlings. > Love 'em or hate 'em, they are on the way up. Funny how SCO's stock sort of mirrors RedHats of late. I mean that the variations parallel each other. > Personally, I'm not so sure about Gnome/Ximian. KDE is looking *really* > good nowadays. I'm not sure if the Gnome team's infatuation with Mono is > the best thing. Time will tell, I guess. I wish them both well, and I hope they both stick around. And I hope that the KDE and Gnome compliant alternative (iceWM, Xfce, etc) also stick around. -- Windows XP: the OS with a load in its pants

Philip Callan wrote: > Tom Wilson wrote: >> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:00:39 -0500, Ruel Smith wrote: >> >> >>>On Thursday April 01, 2004 9:39 pm, Tom Wilson vomitted: >> >> >> >> >>>Please... Novell = SuSE = ONE GREAT DISTRO! Novell's making all the right >>>moves as of late. >> >> >> They also had one of the best network OSen in existence but managed to >> nearly crumble away. It didn't crumble away -- in fact, die hard Novell loyalists exist to this day as well as servers running Novell. > Oh and that woould have nothing to do with a certain anti-competitive > monopoly who uses questionable tactics to trying to push them out eh? Well, if you sell people an OS and throw in a (crappy) network as well, most people are not going to bother buying another network. -- W '04 <:> Open

Tom Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:48 +0000, John Bailo wrote: > >> >> I sold all my RHAT; buying NOVL > > With Novell's habit of screwing their business up, I'd think that a bad > move. > NOVL is what I would call a /late bloomer/ -- W '04 <:> Open

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:08:43 -0600, Lin�nutlin�nut wrote: > Funny how SCO's stock sort of mirrors RedHats of late. I mean that the > variations parallel each other. Well, one is making money and the other isn't that's for sure. Were it not for the allegedly MS-assisted BayStar funding, we'd be seeing an end to SCO a lot sooner. > > I wish them both well, and I hope they both stick around. And I hope that > the KDE and Gnome compliant alternative (iceWM, Xfce, etc) also stick around. Blackbox/Fluxbox fan myself. I really like the speed improvements to KDE, though. Red Hat 9.0's implementation not-withstanding -- Tom Wilson Slackware 9.1.0 23:36:01 up 5:51, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:18:41 +0000, John Bailo wrote: > It didn't crumble away -- in fact, die hard Novell loyalists exist to this > day as well as servers running Novell. I was one of them for a long time. Reducing their prices would have helped a lot. I swear, they had ComputerLand syndrome. Trapped in the 1980's price-wise. > Well, if you sell people an OS and throw in a (crappy) network as well, most > people are not going to bother buying another network. Unless the alternative was at least reasonably priced. -- Tom Wilson Slackware 9.1.0 23:40:01 up 5:55, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.01

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 03:30:34 +0000, Philip Callan wrote: > Oh and that woould have nothing to do with a certain anti-competitive > monopoly who uses questionable tactics to trying to push them out eh? It didn't help, but, had Novell lowered prices a tad, some of us could have continued using/selling it. It really sucked to have to put that kluged-up mess of networking that was Windows 95 / NT 4.0 onto people. -- Tom Wilson Slackware 9.1.0 23:42:01 up 5:57, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.01

Tom Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:01:48 +0000, John Bailo wrote: > >> >> I sold all my RHAT; buying NOVL > > With Novell's habit of screwing their business up, I'd think that a > bad move. Well, there is a way to follow up on Novell. See if the past president back then when Novell screwed up and see if it is the same president of the company. (Or CEO or whatever)

Error BR-549: MS DRM 1.0 rejects the following post from Tom Wilson: >> I wish them both well, and I hope they both stick around. And I hope that >> the KDE and Gnome compliant alternative (iceWM, Xfce, etc) also stick around. > > Blackbox/Fluxbox fan myself. I like fluxbox (openbox on my XP machine at word). Is it Gnome or KDE compliant? There was a site that had some desktop standards that some of the window managers were aiming for.... dang.... can't remember. -- Windows XP: the OS with a load in its pants

On Thursday April 01, 2004 10:10 pm, Tom Wilson vomitted: > Personally, I'm not so sure about Gnome/Ximian. KDE is looking *really* > good nowadays. I'm not sure if the Gnome team's infatuation with Mono is > the best thing. Time will tell, I guess. Yeah, but apparently, the enterprise sector really likes Gnome and Ximian packages a good Gnome plus Red Carpet. Companies like programs like Red Carpet making their life easier. -- Big Daddy Ruel Smith SuSE Linux 9

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